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The biggest thing,
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comes to finances for me,

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I don't know what I think.

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I know you got to
go to people that

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understand money and
understand wealth,

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and that should always be
the goal to get better.

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And the same thing applies here,

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particularly with taking
care of your finances,

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because you're never as
good as you think you are.

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Welcome to another episode

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of Nasdaq's The Winning Formula,

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presented by the Mercedes AMG
Petronas Formula One team.

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I am your host, Joel Kalani.

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We have an extremely
special two guests today,

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two former MLB All Stars
Roberto Clemente Award winners

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and founding MLB network

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analyst Harold Reynolds
and Al Leiter.

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Thank you so much for
being here today.

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Good to be here. Good to
have us. I love that.

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Founding members because we
really are founding members.

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Founders.

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I actually wanted to start

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there in particular at the time,

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it was January 1st, your
first show in 2009.

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That was at the time,

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the first time that the MLB
network kind of structured

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a 247 kind of
network around that.

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What kind of powered both of

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your decision to
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considering there were
powerhouse networks

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elsewhere that you both
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and kind of how do

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you think about the
evolution and the growth of

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the network since
you've been there

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from the 18th season
coming up now?

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I think both of our paths are a

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little bit different
to the network.

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I was actually with mlb.com and

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kind of was ahead two
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So spending time
with Tony Petitti,

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the CEO and president
at the time.

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Um, I was really in on
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all the different auditions
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So I was excited about
where it was headed.

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I think for me, the drawing card

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was when you're watching

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college basketball
March Madness,

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and they were clipping away to

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the last big moments
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And Tony's like, that's
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We're going to jump in,

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live in the games and you're
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Live in the games.
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had to play the bases loaded.

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Hold it. Let's go to California

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and watch Mike trout
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That was pretty cool.

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It had never been done before.

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that attracted me.
What about you, al?

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So mine was a little
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a big TV star with
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I was essentially a few years
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I was doing Yankee games as

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an analyst for the yes network.

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to the network was it was a
forum for retired players,

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analysts to be able to have
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if you will, and have a
longer, um, explanation.

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the planet from baseball
to explain in detail.

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our main TV studios like this,

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but we also have a studio,

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studio 42 in honor
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It's a little league field.

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It's a massive field.

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So H and I, if we
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Joel. And as Harold
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Mike trout did
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and run over to this
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were hopefully
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and not being afraid of
television that were

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explaining the real
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that had that opportunity
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I'm into pitching, you know,

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sliders, curveballs,
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everybody was pretty much
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So you could actually have
real action that makes

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looks real better than
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Mariano Rivera was the
biggest thing at that time.

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He was throwing a
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well, how do we show
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up and they all got
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He threw a cutter in
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and he's throwing a
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that you can now have
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and people at home can
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It wasn't manufactured.

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We didn't walk up and say,

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here's what the ball looks like.

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It was a real, actual.

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Here comes a 90
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and you can see
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because he was not
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I still my arm still was okay.

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So revolutionary concept.

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At what point at
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there did you realize
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whether it's a casual
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this is actually
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viewers want to see
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that level of detail may have

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been to some people's something

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that's really only
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really play the
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something even casual
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So I'll answer before H and I.

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That's what excited me because

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when we would do
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whichever they would snap
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was poignant and a good point

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or opportunity for
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yeah, social media, but coaches,

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parents, kids
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as, hey, look what Al
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I realized what we were actually

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providing for the viewer
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I'd say, who am I working with?

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All right. What can
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I want to show, you know,

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and the feedback was the
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I think al hit the nail on
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places they'd never
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breaking down a guy's
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but to be able to take it to

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the nth degree and now hop in

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the cage and see

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a major leaguer swing
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it was even better.

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it to bringing current
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I remember Tim Lincecum,

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you remember that crazy wind
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how he learned his
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on the floor and make him
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So here's Tim Lincecum in
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winding up and
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showing us how he's picking
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Because of the unique
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Harold, coming from ESPN,

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you go into these studios,
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But they're little they're
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now are copying what we were

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doing and they're doing

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like a Fugazi little
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nothing because they
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up being a vehicle for
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showing folks how
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how technical the sport is,

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how many different areas of

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your skill set can be improved,

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or what mistakes you
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because that's another
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notice for you in
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showed how things could be
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you know, whether
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hitting style, anything
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both of you, obviously,

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with many awards that
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the space to speak
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what do you think of it
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So we're 18th season.

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beyond that, how
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has evolved and what are
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the evolution of it,

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the thing that will always be

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the staple is the players
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able to drop into
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a current situation, you're not

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having to wait around for
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We're taking you there.

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Oh, you can't miss this moment.

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Or he's in the seventh
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Al, what's he going
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What are you thinking?
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What's going through his mind?

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Pedro Martinez or Al
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what do you think about
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a defender when a guy's
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like, I'll dive
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I want him to have
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the situation is where the
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alerts that would go out and we

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Kershaw looks like he's
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Got to tune on MLB
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the ninth inning and
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those major moments when
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instead of having to wait
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really help the viewer, I think.

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the forum, if you will,

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of the way in which our,

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our shows are produced allows us

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to be very extemporaneously
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There's a levity to it.

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We realize we're not

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solving world peace
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The, the, the synergy or energy
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You could push back on guys
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Uh, I think the evolution of
the network is we're in like

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all of the key places that
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but when I watch what
we're doing, we're,

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we're actually bringing our fans

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to places that never
happened before.

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ESPN wasn't doing it.

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ABC, NBC, all of them.

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They're all great, but
they had to come here.

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So they knew that if it
was a baseball moment,

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we were doing it in,

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in in depth with

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not a bunch of not a bunch
of fools at the desk.

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We're, we're knowledgeable.

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We're given opportunity to
breathe and talk about it.

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So yeah, it's, uh,
it's a great place.

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I mean, it's the only place
if you're a baseball fan.

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Well, and there's
tough subjects,

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you know, we dealt with, man,

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I've been on the
air for everything,

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whether it was a
guy got busted for

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steroids or a car accident
and a player died.

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You know, we've we've
had to live through

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all these different
moments and be able to

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take the viewers into
those real situations.

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And I've cried on air.

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I've felt the pain
of the families.

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You know, we've had all
these different things.

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And those are real
emotions because

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it's real and
that's been for us.

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You always talk about

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baseball as a family
and extension of it.

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You really learn that.

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I'm not competing
with Al Leiter here.

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When we're talking
about what's going

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on or in a in a clubhouse
or locker room,

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guys are stopping
for the moment.

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Player announces
he's got cancer.

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You know, you name it,
we've had so many moments.

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And that's, I think,

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what makes it raw,
authentic and real.

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And that's not rehearsed.

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It's not scripted.

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We come in, have

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no idea what's going
to happen in the day.

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You sit down for
your three hours.

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I have no idea what's
going to happen.

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It may be a no hitter.

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It might be, you know,

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we just get news that
Hank Aaron passed away.

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You don't know what's going

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to happen in your
three hour window.

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And that's what
makes it exciting.

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Shows also the range of the
show in terms of beyond

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just even the teaching and
dynamics that the human

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lessons that you can kind
of give through the show,

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through the life things that
happen through the players.

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And, you know, as
a segue to that,

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when it comes to life, I,

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I want to ask this
question to you both,

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because you both would
be very astutely

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kind of capable of answering it.

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Financial literacy
as a concept for

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pro athletes was not
nearly as much of

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a thing in the 80s and 90s

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in the early 2000 as it is now.

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Investment vehicles,
businesses, ventures,

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broadcasting,
podcasts, these are

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all relatively novel ideas.

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And the money they're making.

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Correct and novel extensions
of of pro athlete careers.

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How early or late potentially

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in either one of your
careers for both of you,

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did you start to think about

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a broadcast as an
avenue, but also B,

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what is the career for you both

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after the career,
considering, you know,

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we've had athletes come
on and say there's

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a mourning that occurs
when you officially

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retire and you have this period

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of time where there's
some gray area.

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How early or late in

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your career did you
start to think about it,

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and how did broadcasts
materialize?

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Well, let me talk about
the financial piece first,

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and I'll let we'll both dive
into that because I was

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really in the finances
way even more than me.

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But I remember early on,

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I was triple A breaking
into the major leagues.

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And when I broke in,

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the salary was what,
minimum 30,000?

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Then it bumped up to 60,000.

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So you thought
there was a lot of

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money and you realize it's not.

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And I remember being
at my agent's office.

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Jim and I had friends

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asking for money like
anybody's going to have.

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And he sat down and
said, all right,

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let's go over how much money
you think you really have.

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And we went over taxes.

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He explained how much it's

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going to be taken out
by the government.

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This is what's going to be taken

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out every time you travel.

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Before you know it, I was like,

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I got ten grand.

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Can't be loaning these guys

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some money so he
can go buy a car,

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you know? So you understood.

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I understood from that
conversation early

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on that money's hard to make.

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and the tax stuff is real.

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And I got to figure
out how to take care

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of this a little bit
and make it last.

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And that was an
early lesson for me.

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And and al and I
were just talking.

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He would come in here,
we're talking finances

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earlier today and he's looking
at the Nasdaq and the Dow,

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and he's looking at all these
things and and all that,

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because the education
is totally different.

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And I think today's player
gets that even earlier on

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with more stuff than I
got basic things early.

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But as we've gone through life,

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you realize, how am I going
to make this money last?

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And that's been
been a big thing.

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You want to pick up from there.

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So, uh.

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The financial literacy,
I think there,

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there are earners
and, and spenders.

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There's earners and savers.

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And I, and I think that's either

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taught or over a period of time,

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you're, you learn the hard way,

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as H was just saying about,

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oh, wait a minute, I
just made that much.

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And they took out that
much and they only.

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Um, so for me,

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I've been an earner and a saver

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and the saving mindset
for me took me to places

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of curiosity and my curiosity

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would be and heralds
the same way like we.

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He brings a lot of people from

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the business world
even to this day.

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And it's not that you're
always looking for a deal.

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My curiosity was, I
want to become more

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educated about all of this
stuff that I'm not privy to.

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So as a result of
these opportunities

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of my celebrity and yes,

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the money I made,

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we get we professional
athletes, I'll stay with that.

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But baseball, we get
these opportunities

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of people who think
they have a great idea.

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So if you don't have
financial literacy,

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you can easily get sucked
into being ripped off.

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Maybe inadvertently,
not purposely.

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So I think it's paramount

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that now they are now signing
their corporations, right?

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I mean, we're looking
at $700 million deals.

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These are many corporations.

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These are market
caps of what we're

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looking on these these
these tickers here.

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So guys are just better.

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You know, when Harold broke in,

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he was a little
before me and me,

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my my minimum salary in
the major leagues was 625.

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And the veteran guys were

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making 400 grand. I'm
not diminishing that.

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Whoever's listening to that.

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But, you know, now we see
what guys are making.

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So most of the guys
in the winter time,

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they were picking up, you know,

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charity dinner, you know,

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dinners and, you know,

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maybe a side deal,
maybe a sales job.

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And, you know, and
I'm not going back

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to the 50s and black and white.

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No, that's as recent
as the 90s and 2000.

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That's the 90s and 2000.

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Because it wasn't it wasn't
what we're seeing today.

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So you had to be
more resourceful

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with how you looked at your
portfolio and how you spent.

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But I would say, I
mean, anybody if

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players and Harold is

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at the tip of it,
because, you know,

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we're in the studio
over in Secaucus,

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he's bringing a lot of
friends and they have

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they have business
ventures and all that.

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And I, I think that's excellent.

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But so long as you tap the
brakes on these opportunities,

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we all know some
friends that have

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gotten into some
really bad deals.

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I mean, lost a lot of money.

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So the more you seek all
of this out and you see

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what's actually maybe
something you're uncomfortable

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because you're not familiar
with it, read up on it more.

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You know, let that be part of

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your vernacular
and understanding.

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You know, the biggest thing,

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I think when it comes
to finances for me,

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I don't know what I think.

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I know I want to if I'm
going to get a haircut.

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When I had hair, I
went to a barber.

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My mom quit cutting my
hair a long time ago.

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And the same thing here with
you got to go to people that

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understand money and understand
wealth and understand.

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And the deeper you go and the

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more you're around
people like that,

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geez, blows your mind.

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It's like talking
to a major leaguer.

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I want to learn how to
hit. Let me talk to

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Rod Carew. You know what I mean?

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In my day. Now, I want
to talk to Aaron Judge.

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What are you working on? I
want to talk to Bobby Witt.

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I want to talk to
the best hitters

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and figure out what
are they doing.

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And that should always be
the goal to get better.

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And the same thing applies here,

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particularly with taking
care of your finances,

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because you're never as
good as you think you are.

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r. You know, I'd go
see Yogi Berra when

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he was alive at
Yogi Berra Museum,

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and I'd walk in every
time Yogi would go.

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I saw you last night.

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Do you think you
know everything?

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I go, no, I don't
know everything, Joe.

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Then why do you act like
you know everything?

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Because if you knew everything,

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then you'd know everything.

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But since you don't
know everything,

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don't act like you
know everything.

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Ah! That's good. And every
time he would say that to me.

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And after a while, you're like,

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that makes a lot of sense.

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And I think that has to come
into play with finances.

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You think you know everything.

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You don't know
everything. And it's.

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And you can always continue
to learn and grow.

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And it's crazy
because to both of

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your points as you have success,

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especially as a
professional athlete,

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there's more pitfalls actually
than the average person.

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There's more opportunities to.

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And you're more of a target to.

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I'll give a snapshot because
we're here at the Nasdaq.

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Sure. I it was later part
of my career and it's

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investment strategy on how

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much you're willing
to risk and lose.

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That's where I think a lot
of guys go wrong with,

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with getting involved in, in,

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in investment opportunities
and companies, etc.

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whether it's a private
equity where they're

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not public yet, etc.. Um,

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I met a guy who I ended up
just loving the guy as a,

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as a, as a great person.

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And it was, it was a start of

508
00:17:48,019 --> 00:17:49,740
a company that he had ipo'd with

509
00:17:49,740 --> 00:17:53,880
Dlj in 1998, 1996. I'm sorry.

510
00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:58,839
Um, at Nasdaq, a
$24 million IPO,

511
00:17:58,839 --> 00:18:00,780
uh, after I retired, I
was on the board for

512
00:18:00,780 --> 00:18:03,200
12 years and we sold
the company to.

513
00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,880
And it went from Nasdaq
to private equity.

514
00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,960
Um, company was called
Ultimate Software.

515
00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,780
It was a Wall Street
darling story,

516
00:18:09,780 --> 00:18:11,299
and he just wasn't interested in

517
00:18:11,299 --> 00:18:13,560
promoting it the way we all
thought he should have.

518
00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:18,020
But my point is I invested
in the person and yeah,

519
00:18:18,020 --> 00:18:20,280
the product is
great. And they do.

520
00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,099
They've done amazing
stuff to go from

521
00:18:22,099 --> 00:18:25,640
$24 million IPO to $11 billion.

522
00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,220
Sale is crazy story.

523
00:18:27,220 --> 00:18:29,839
As you know, being
here at Nasdaq,

524
00:18:29,839 --> 00:18:31,760
this is ground zero essentially.

525
00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,529
Um, but it was it
was me not thinking,

526
00:18:35,529 --> 00:18:38,749
wow, okay, well, if I only
if I put that much more,

527
00:18:38,749 --> 00:18:40,210
I'll make that much more.

528
00:18:40,210 --> 00:18:42,010
You know what Harold said?

529
00:18:42,010 --> 00:18:43,930
What? What did you say about
Yogi? What? You don't know?

530
00:18:43,930 --> 00:18:45,630
You do? Yeah, yeah.

531
00:18:45,630 --> 00:18:46,690
You know, so.

532
00:18:46,690 --> 00:18:47,970
You know everything.
It might be a.

533
00:18:47,970 --> 00:18:49,970
Good idea, but like, okay,
tap the brakes a bit here.

534
00:18:49,970 --> 00:18:51,250
This is a really cool story.

535
00:18:51,250 --> 00:18:52,869
I really think this man is

536
00:18:52,869 --> 00:18:54,089
genuine and he's really

537
00:18:54,089 --> 00:18:55,410
bright and he's got
a great product.

538
00:18:55,410 --> 00:18:58,430
But I'm not I'm not mortgaging
my future, you know?

539
00:18:58,430 --> 00:19:01,809
So that's where financial
literacy for players,

540
00:19:01,809 --> 00:19:03,330
they get sucked into that.

541
00:19:03,330 --> 00:19:04,829
And if they have this
much, they're like, oh,

542
00:19:04,829 --> 00:19:07,010
it's only 10% of your portfolio.
No, no, that's too much.

543
00:19:07,010 --> 00:19:09,249
I'm going to do 1% or,
you know, I'm giving you,

544
00:19:09,249 --> 00:19:11,649
we have a thing now with
with the alumni association,

545
00:19:11,649 --> 00:19:13,849
I'm the with the
alumni Association,

546
00:19:13,849 --> 00:19:16,730
we do a symposium
for retired players.

547
00:19:16,730 --> 00:19:18,550
When I tell you. Have
you been to that yet?

548
00:19:18,550 --> 00:19:19,550
No, I have not.

549
00:19:19,550 --> 00:19:20,610
I want you to go.

550
00:19:20,610 --> 00:19:21,910
So it's now up to like

551
00:19:21,910 --> 00:19:24,290
200 retired players within
the first three years.

552
00:19:24,290 --> 00:19:26,410
And they are lost and
they're not sure.

553
00:19:26,410 --> 00:19:27,890
And they do have
a nice nest egg.

554
00:19:27,890 --> 00:19:29,570
But what do they do?
Where do they pivot?

555
00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:30,650
Could they get an opportunity

556
00:19:30,650 --> 00:19:32,045
to be the next Harold Reynolds.

557
00:19:32,045 --> 00:19:33,080
Etc. but.

558
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:34,180
They're scared, you know,

559
00:19:34,180 --> 00:19:35,720
they played baseball
since they were 18 or

560
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,319
19 or 20 or even before that,

561
00:19:37,319 --> 00:19:38,920
and now they're 30 years old or

562
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,860
28 years old,
whatever the number.

563
00:19:40,860 --> 00:19:44,439
And, um, we're
helping these guys

564
00:19:44,439 --> 00:19:47,880
get through that because it's
a massive sucking sound.

565
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,180
When you go from Citi Field to

566
00:19:49,180 --> 00:19:51,099
Yankee Stadium and you're
no longer playing,

567
00:19:51,099 --> 00:19:53,020
and then it's like,
what do I do?

568
00:19:53,020 --> 00:19:55,339
And it's fascinating. You're
saying that even now,

569
00:19:55,339 --> 00:19:57,179
recently retired players,
it's still somewhat

570
00:19:57,179 --> 00:19:59,260
of a void in a learning
curve no matter what.

571
00:19:59,260 --> 00:20:00,920
Even with the amount of
resources available,

572
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,519
it's still like some guidance

573
00:20:02,519 --> 00:20:03,660
is always valuable for these.

574
00:20:03,660 --> 00:20:05,420
Because that's all they
know. They could be.

575
00:20:05,420 --> 00:20:07,180
They could have gone
to Vanderbilt or

576
00:20:07,180 --> 00:20:09,400
USC or Oregon or wherever.

577
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,120
But they've played baseball.

578
00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:12,920
They're baseball players.

579
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,640
Could be super bright. I'm
not diminishing intelligence,

580
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,740
but that's that's there.

581
00:20:17,740 --> 00:20:19,380
That's there. That's
what you know.

582
00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:19,880
That's their.

583
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:20,300
Lighthouse.

584
00:20:20,300 --> 00:20:21,400
Yeah, it's a great segue

585
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,120
because you already
started to allude to this.

586
00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:27,000
Are there areas from your
playing career that then have

587
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,140
transitioned or translated
into any deals you've made?

588
00:20:30,140 --> 00:20:32,510
Not specifically be in terms
of traits you've thought

589
00:20:32,510 --> 00:20:33,630
about or things that you learned

590
00:20:33,630 --> 00:20:35,070
from the game and took
from your career,

591
00:20:35,070 --> 00:20:36,109
and what you've learned about

592
00:20:36,109 --> 00:20:38,010
contract negotiations,
agents, you know,

593
00:20:38,010 --> 00:20:39,330
all the things that go into

594
00:20:39,330 --> 00:20:41,390
outside of playing just the
business side of baseball.

595
00:20:41,390 --> 00:20:43,069
Have you ever taken
that and applied

596
00:20:43,069 --> 00:20:44,470
or took those learnings

597
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:46,130
and used that in your
own personal career?

598
00:20:46,130 --> 00:20:47,710
Two. Two things. First
thing that comes to

599
00:20:47,710 --> 00:20:49,430
mind for me is work ethic.

600
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:54,090
And secondly, I think it's
we work more than anybody.

601
00:20:54,090 --> 00:20:56,110
I can talk baseball
all day long.

602
00:20:56,110 --> 00:20:57,150
I can look at things

603
00:20:57,150 --> 00:20:59,670
and continually,
continually, continually.

604
00:20:59,670 --> 00:21:02,650
So I have a daughter who's
a junior in high school.

605
00:21:02,650 --> 00:21:05,410
She's made team USA,

606
00:21:05,410 --> 00:21:06,990
she's a D1 player.

607
00:21:06,990 --> 00:21:09,270
She's committed to University
of Oregon for softball.

608
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:12,929
And we got hit last night and
she's working on something,

609
00:21:12,929 --> 00:21:14,469
and I would have
worked on it all night

610
00:21:14,469 --> 00:21:16,670
long. That's my motor.

611
00:21:16,670 --> 00:21:20,090
I have to back off and
realize my motor is way more.

612
00:21:20,090 --> 00:21:21,470
I'm in the middle of the night

613
00:21:21,470 --> 00:21:23,010
still figuring out she's got to

614
00:21:23,010 --> 00:21:24,490
get her body to go that way

615
00:21:24,490 --> 00:21:26,130
a little bit more
on a ball away,

616
00:21:26,130 --> 00:21:27,570
because that's what we did.

617
00:21:27,570 --> 00:21:29,044
Yeah, we would go home after

618
00:21:29,044 --> 00:21:31,120
a game and sit there and
go, why did I make that?

619
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:32,300
Why did I chase that ball?

620
00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:33,380
Why did I do this?

621
00:21:33,380 --> 00:21:35,380
Because that was
that was the grind.

622
00:21:35,380 --> 00:21:37,800
And that's the
work engine in me.

623
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,040
I can do it all day. I wake
up in the morning, here I go.

624
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,580
I'm obsessed. I have to realize

625
00:21:42,580 --> 00:21:45,520
I can't have the same obsession
that other people do.

626
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,100
That's number one in
everything in my life.

627
00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:50,760
I have to realize
I got to back off

628
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,000
because that's the motor
that we had to get to,

629
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,180
the level that we got to and
whether that's anything.

630
00:21:58,180 --> 00:21:59,580
So I learned that from sports.

631
00:21:59,580 --> 00:22:00,900
I learned work ethic,

632
00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:02,380
but I'm learning in life.

633
00:22:02,380 --> 00:22:04,800
My work ethic was crazy.

634
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,839
And to get to where we got to,

635
00:22:06,839 --> 00:22:09,080
I wasn't the only one
that was everybody.

636
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,800
And if al and I were
on the same team,

637
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,360
we were at the same
level. We talked.

638
00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:15,860
We went all the way
through the minor leagues.

639
00:22:15,860 --> 00:22:17,160
You're going to
discuss this stuff.

640
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,059
We're getting there because

641
00:22:19,059 --> 00:22:20,660
there's only a few
that get there.

642
00:22:20,660 --> 00:22:23,120
And if you want to be an all
star, you want to be elite.

643
00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:25,680
You're even less
than the other guy.

644
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,850
So that is a motor that
you carry forever.

645
00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:30,930
So I've had to learn. I've
got to back that off.

646
00:22:30,930 --> 00:22:32,749
That's one thing about
the network kind of

647
00:22:32,749 --> 00:22:34,650
helps me continue with that.

648
00:22:34,650 --> 00:22:36,530
But I mean, we'll
sit here even now,

649
00:22:36,530 --> 00:22:37,849
I'll watch a show
and I'll call him up

650
00:22:37,849 --> 00:22:39,190
and go, oh, great show.

651
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:40,730
Hey, I thought about
this point you were

652
00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:42,329
making and it's like,

653
00:22:42,329 --> 00:22:43,510
yeah, it's 1 a.m..

654
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:44,170
Yeah.

655
00:22:44,170 --> 00:22:45,550
It's built into you.

656
00:22:45,550 --> 00:22:46,770
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

657
00:22:46,770 --> 00:22:49,030
Well, especially he's got an
amazing combination of, of,

658
00:22:49,030 --> 00:22:50,289
and I'm not saying
it because he's here

659
00:22:50,289 --> 00:22:52,010
because I rip on
him all the time.

660
00:22:52,010 --> 00:22:53,450
He is has been

661
00:22:53,450 --> 00:22:55,130
the benchmark for how

662
00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:56,670
many years have you
been in television?

663
00:22:56,670 --> 00:22:59,110
Oh geez. 30, 30 years.

664
00:22:59,110 --> 00:23:00,910
Almost 30 years. So, you know,

665
00:23:00,910 --> 00:23:04,289
he got the knowledge
of what what is in

666
00:23:04,289 --> 00:23:05,930
his brain as the
execution of what he's

667
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:07,650
doing to try to
explain to the viewer.

668
00:23:07,650 --> 00:23:09,250
But he also gets this.

669
00:23:09,250 --> 00:23:11,809
And there's so many
guys much better

670
00:23:11,809 --> 00:23:14,730
than Harold and I that
had greater careers.

671
00:23:14,730 --> 00:23:16,890
And they're just
they don't get this.

672
00:23:16,890 --> 00:23:19,770
And he the combination
of both is unique.

673
00:23:19,770 --> 00:23:22,649
Um, I'll say this of
what Harold said, um,

674
00:23:22,649 --> 00:23:29,900
which is why companies
Higher ex-athletes even

675
00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:33,420
college athletes because
there is a there's a there's

676
00:23:33,420 --> 00:23:37,419
a chip in our head of
of the discipline,

677
00:23:37,419 --> 00:23:39,960
the work, the process
program and routine.

678
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,320
And I can say that
to you as well.

679
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,319
I don't know where your life's

680
00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:43,440
going or what
you're going to do,

681
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,020
but it's in you to want
to be friggin great.

682
00:23:47,020 --> 00:23:49,100
And there's some guys that
are like, no, I'm good.

683
00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:50,500
You know, I just,
I'm going to get

684
00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:51,559
one contract and take it

685
00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:52,720
to the house. I play
with guys like that.

686
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,120
I'm like, what are
you talking about?

687
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:56,020
You got Hall of Fame stuff?

688
00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:57,320
Nah, I don't want to.

689
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,880
It's like crazy.

690
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,160
So I know Harold's not that
way and I'm not that way.

691
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,739
You know, we're workers
and grinders and we,

692
00:24:02,739 --> 00:24:04,140
you know, had to do what we do.

693
00:24:04,140 --> 00:24:06,560
But that applies to everybody.

694
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,040
You sitting side by side,

695
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,359
wherever you go from
here, upstairs,

696
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,500
wherever you are in this office,

697
00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:12,499
like there's people just kind of

698
00:24:12,499 --> 00:24:13,640
just going through the motion

699
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:14,660
and there's other people going,

700
00:24:14,660 --> 00:24:16,299
all right, all right, what
do I have to, you know,

701
00:24:16,299 --> 00:24:18,400
how do I, you know, and
like here he's, he's.

702
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,700
That's why Michael
Jordan couldn't coach.

703
00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:21,820
There you go. Michael Jordan.

704
00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:23,839
Couldn't coach. He couldn't

705
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:25,770
sit there and understand
why this guy.

706
00:24:25,770 --> 00:24:28,510
You're ten for 15 from the line.

707
00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:29,570
You missed five shots.

708
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:32,330
Why are you not shooting to
make those five in practice?

709
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:35,030
Ted Williams, the
one of the greatest,

710
00:24:35,030 --> 00:24:36,690
if not the greatest hitter.

711
00:24:36,690 --> 00:24:39,250
He he was not a good manager.

712
00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:41,770
Like they're one of those
guys going, wait a minute.

713
00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:44,630
Why? How come you
can't you know.

714
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:46,010
You're leaving already. Like.

715
00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:47,050
Yeah, exactly.

716
00:24:47,050 --> 00:24:47,490
One of those.

717
00:24:47,490 --> 00:24:49,470
Yeah, exactly. Like teams asked

718
00:24:49,470 --> 00:24:51,950
me questions about
some of their players.

719
00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:53,210
And I mean, I'm like,

720
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:55,310
this guy's never going to get
to where you think he is.

721
00:24:55,310 --> 00:24:57,050
He doesn't want to
go out and work.

722
00:24:57,050 --> 00:24:58,829
Well, yeah, he's working

723
00:24:58,829 --> 00:25:00,730
because the coach is
hitting him ground balls.

724
00:25:00,730 --> 00:25:03,030
I didn't need a coach to tell
me. I need to work on this.

725
00:25:03,030 --> 00:25:04,609
I'm calling al. Hey, al,

726
00:25:04,609 --> 00:25:06,370
can you meet me at
the batting cage?

727
00:25:06,370 --> 00:25:08,610
And true story.

728
00:25:08,610 --> 00:25:10,550
Scott Bradley's the
coach at Princeton.

729
00:25:10,550 --> 00:25:12,430
He's been there for
20 something years.

730
00:25:12,430 --> 00:25:14,370
We're in Oakland
playing the A's.

731
00:25:14,370 --> 00:25:16,490
I'm struggling at the time.

732
00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:17,770
Come out for early BP,

733
00:25:17,770 --> 00:25:20,050
not getting enough
extra batting practice.

734
00:25:20,050 --> 00:25:22,630
There was a pitching
machine down the street

735
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:25,240
at this complex had an iron mic.

736
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,920
It was like, how many
guys have quarters?

737
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,140
I took everybody's
quarters. Me and Scott.

738
00:25:29,140 --> 00:25:30,300
Next morning he's like, bring

739
00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:31,360
your batting gloves
and your bat.

740
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:32,060
Take them home tonight.

741
00:25:32,060 --> 00:25:33,480
After the game, we'll
go hit in the morning.

742
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:34,540
Oh that's good.

743
00:25:34,540 --> 00:25:38,140
He took me down to the
batting cage. We hit.

744
00:25:38,140 --> 00:25:40,200
He had that same motor.

745
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,800
And that's what
you have to have.

746
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,580
You have to have that
iron sharpens iron.

747
00:25:44,580 --> 00:25:46,279
You hear it all the time.
Not everybody's irons

748
00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:47,680
the same, you know.

749
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,280
So that has to come.

750
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,419
And even in business,

751
00:25:50,419 --> 00:25:51,639
you got to find

752
00:25:51,639 --> 00:25:54,260
that person that has
that drive that says,

753
00:25:54,260 --> 00:25:56,200
I'm not quitting until
the deal's done.

754
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,579
That's why Steven
Cohen is up all night

755
00:25:59,579 --> 00:26:03,000
or Mark Walter or those
guys are they don't sleep.

756
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,480
They get four hours of sleep.

757
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,260
How are you managing? Because
they're driven by the game.

758
00:26:07,260 --> 00:26:08,539
They're driven.
They have a motor

759
00:26:08,539 --> 00:26:09,920
that's that's different.

760
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,280
And that's why they're
walking around with billions.

761
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,080
Yeah.

762
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,380
Win in this game. It's a game.

763
00:26:14,380 --> 00:26:15,840
To them. This is a game.

764
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,619
But it shows also that that is

765
00:26:17,619 --> 00:26:20,020
universally understood
as a requirement.

766
00:26:20,020 --> 00:26:22,750
If you want to be successful
is that desire to

767
00:26:22,750 --> 00:26:24,250
continually figure a problem

768
00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:25,670
out and have an
obsession almost,

769
00:26:25,670 --> 00:26:28,490
if you will, about
getting to it.

770
00:26:31,010 --> 00:26:34,049
We have a segment called
Final Lap presented by

771
00:26:34,049 --> 00:26:36,410
the Mercedes AMG Petronas
Formula one team.

772
00:26:36,410 --> 00:26:37,670
We have fan submitted questions.

773
00:26:37,670 --> 00:26:39,710
A couple left here to get
you out of here on this.

774
00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:40,970
One thing that I
think you both would

775
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:42,150
be uniquely kind of, you know,

776
00:26:42,150 --> 00:26:43,690
equipped to answer is around how

777
00:26:43,690 --> 00:26:45,290
much the game has changed
around analytics.

778
00:26:45,290 --> 00:26:47,670
Now this is applicable across
all sports. Yeah, right.

779
00:26:47,670 --> 00:26:50,210
But obviously things
like exit velocity,

780
00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:51,850
launch angle, like
these weren't terms.

781
00:26:51,850 --> 00:26:53,530
When I was watching
baseball in 99,

782
00:26:53,530 --> 00:26:55,670
2000, 2001, they are now.

783
00:26:55,670 --> 00:26:57,609
And they're heavily applied
not just to broadcast,

784
00:26:57,609 --> 00:26:59,590
but also how coaching is done.

785
00:26:59,590 --> 00:27:01,130
How do you think
about if you had

786
00:27:01,130 --> 00:27:02,890
access to analytics
and if this was

787
00:27:02,890 --> 00:27:04,229
a thing when you were playing

788
00:27:04,229 --> 00:27:06,170
with about your career extended,

789
00:27:06,170 --> 00:27:07,529
shortened, is there
a different way

790
00:27:07,529 --> 00:27:08,690
you would have
approached things?

791
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:09,809
How do you think
about analytics in

792
00:27:09,809 --> 00:27:11,170
general and how it's
impacted the game?

793
00:27:11,170 --> 00:27:12,930
Analytics has a place for it,

794
00:27:12,930 --> 00:27:16,150
and there's a misnomer that
we didn't have analytics.

795
00:27:16,150 --> 00:27:19,090
We had numbers, I
had everything.

796
00:27:19,090 --> 00:27:21,200
If I faced a guy, I knew
exactly what he was

797
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,640
trying to do and
where we had it here,

798
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,420
we had it in conversation and
pitchers had it in charts.

799
00:27:27,420 --> 00:27:29,260
That's why analytics to me,

800
00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:31,839
has taken off with
the pitchers first,

801
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:33,700
because that's what
they've always done.

802
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:35,780
Al's job, when he
was not pitching,

803
00:27:35,780 --> 00:27:38,760
was to chart in the
minor leagues on up.

804
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,520
There was a blue
streak, a red streak.

805
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,880
This guy gave up a ground ball.

806
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,660
This is green. He
charted all the time.

807
00:27:45,660 --> 00:27:47,000
So now you come in with

808
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,860
these greater numbers
and al gets to go.

809
00:27:49,860 --> 00:27:51,360
You mean 80% of the time?

810
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:54,360
If I put the pitch here, he
won't hit it. Thank you.

811
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:57,480
As a hitter, you tell me that
that doesn't apply for me.

812
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,760
Because I got to
know what's he going

813
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,120
to do with that other 20.

814
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:01,679
I can't sit here and think,

815
00:28:01,679 --> 00:28:02,920
okay, he's not going to throw.

816
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,380
He only throws a cutter
35% of the time.

817
00:28:06,380 --> 00:28:07,560
That doesn't help me.

818
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,160
That's great to know.
I knew that already.

819
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,000
But now where's
he putting it at?

820
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,360
So there's there's good numbers.

821
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,500
You have to be able
to dissect it.

822
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:18,440
I think that's been the division

823
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,389
because I think when
analytics start taking over,

824
00:28:21,389 --> 00:28:22,589
they never gave credit to

825
00:28:22,589 --> 00:28:24,490
the players of understanding,
oh, the time out.

826
00:28:24,490 --> 00:28:25,950
You always had numbers.

827
00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:28,470
I always did. Cal
Ripken can tell you

828
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:31,430
today what every pitcher
threw him and where he stood.

829
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:33,510
With every hitter in baseball,

830
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:36,230
this guy is going to hit
the ball here continually.

831
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:38,030
So the last thing
I'll let al talk.

832
00:28:38,030 --> 00:28:39,989
I was playing
against the Orioles

833
00:28:39,989 --> 00:28:42,090
probably for 4 or 5 years.

834
00:28:42,090 --> 00:28:44,210
I would ground out to short to

835
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:46,750
to Cal Ripken ground
out to short.

836
00:28:46,750 --> 00:28:48,250
And finally I realized

837
00:28:48,250 --> 00:28:49,730
they're trying to
throw me that pitch.

838
00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:51,730
I lay off it and I quit.

839
00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:53,550
Nelson, they want to
throw something in.

840
00:28:53,550 --> 00:28:54,949
I started getting base hits,

841
00:28:54,949 --> 00:28:56,930
and so Cal knew

842
00:28:56,930 --> 00:28:59,129
exactly where that ball
was going to be hit,

843
00:28:59,129 --> 00:29:00,870
what that pitcher
was going to throw,

844
00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:03,069
because he played it enough and

845
00:29:03,069 --> 00:29:05,390
he calculated it and
he played the numbers.

846
00:29:05,390 --> 00:29:06,870
He played the percentages.

847
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:08,650
He's going to chase this pitch.

848
00:29:08,650 --> 00:29:10,870
If they continue to throw
it there doesn't matter.

849
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:12,490
Three, two, he's
going to have to

850
00:29:12,490 --> 00:29:15,110
swing or else he's going to
get called out on that pitch.

851
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:17,840
So boom, ground ball
to short. I'm out.

852
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,400
He's standing right
in front of it.

853
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,780
And that's where I think.

854
00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:23,440
We never gave credit to

855
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,060
the older guys of
understanding the game.

856
00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:27,660
There is numbers being

857
00:29:27,660 --> 00:29:30,900
played and numbers in your
mind and everything else.

858
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:34,100
So go ahead, al, I'll let you
bring it a little forward.

859
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:37,020
Harold said it, we
were like Neanderthals

860
00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:40,100
because we played in the 80s
or 90s 2000 or whatever.

861
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:43,140
Um, it was out there
and we were selective

862
00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:47,100
with what we thought
was helpful to us.

863
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:50,400
Analytics. Fancy word.

864
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,540
It's statistics and
numbers and measurements.

865
00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:56,859
What we would have used it,

866
00:29:56,859 --> 00:29:58,300
I would forget about we,

867
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:00,140
I would have used it
because I did use

868
00:30:00,140 --> 00:30:02,860
our version of analytics.

869
00:30:02,860 --> 00:30:05,459
The problem that
is happening now,

870
00:30:05,459 --> 00:30:06,780
and it's not just in baseball,

871
00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:11,320
it's now going across.
We're creating robots.

872
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,059
We're having athletes that
don't use their eyeballs

873
00:30:15,059 --> 00:30:18,910
and instincts and their
natural athletic ability to

874
00:30:18,910 --> 00:30:22,910
flow as a result of an iPad or

875
00:30:22,910 --> 00:30:27,270
a number or an angle or
a degree or a or a size.

876
00:30:27,270 --> 00:30:29,870
And we're taking
away athleticism,

877
00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:33,790
analytics, and the technology
behind it is a tool.

878
00:30:33,790 --> 00:30:35,790
It's not the whole damn toolbox.

879
00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:37,610
It is not the blueprint.

880
00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:41,490
It is part of the plan of our
house that we're building.

881
00:30:41,490 --> 00:30:43,610
But it's not the
whole blueprint.

882
00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:44,910
And that's where we're going.

883
00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:47,170
We're eliminating players with

884
00:30:47,170 --> 00:30:49,610
experience and using
their eyeballs.

885
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:51,050
I say this, my son
plays baseball.

886
00:30:51,050 --> 00:30:52,870
I'm like, Jack, what

887
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:55,570
are the guys come back and
they go right to a laptop.

888
00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:57,690
I said that one guy was
watching the guy warming up.

889
00:30:57,690 --> 00:30:58,610
We have a guy warming up.

890
00:30:58,610 --> 00:30:59,690
You're going to
watch his fastball.

891
00:30:59,690 --> 00:31:00,730
How many did he throw
over his plays?

892
00:31:00,730 --> 00:31:01,490
Gets eight of them.

893
00:31:01,490 --> 00:31:02,890
What's his first
pitch that he throws?

894
00:31:02,890 --> 00:31:05,730
That's going to be his
number one secondary pitch.

895
00:31:05,730 --> 00:31:08,410
As a reliever you got a
chance to go fastball,

896
00:31:08,410 --> 00:31:09,650
strike one, fastball,
strike two,

897
00:31:09,650 --> 00:31:11,390
and you're going to
have a putaway pitch.

898
00:31:11,390 --> 00:31:12,610
What did he throw? What is it?

899
00:31:12,610 --> 00:31:13,830
Slider curve change.

900
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:16,540
Oh. What did the
hitting coach say?

901
00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:19,480
We're losing that natural thing

902
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,519
that when we play
it in the backyard,

903
00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,520
we weren't turning to a laptop.

904
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,480
So that has to be fused better.

905
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,740
And I'm not saying like,

906
00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:29,000
oh, throw away the laptops.

907
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,960
Oh, you know, I'm not
saying that I would use it,

908
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,760
but start using your brain and

909
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,540
your eyeballs of what it's
telling you out there.

910
00:31:36,540 --> 00:31:39,240
There's people out
there playing a game.

911
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,940
It's not a computer.

912
00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:42,660
Well, I think the
biggest thing too,

913
00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:45,660
is every day is different.

914
00:31:45,660 --> 00:31:48,280
You know, just like in life,

915
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,960
al may not have
his best fastball.

916
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,720
He may not even be the same
guy I faced two weeks ago.

917
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,120
But the data tells you it is.

918
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,640
But this data is telling
me it doesn't match up.

919
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:00,140
That's good.

920
00:32:00,140 --> 00:32:01,720
I'm watching him
throw and warm up.

921
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,040
He can't land a breaking ball.

922
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,240
Why am I worried about.

923
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,900
He struck me out on two
breaking balls last time.

924
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:09,539
No, he can't throw it tonight,

925
00:32:09,539 --> 00:32:11,600
so I got to be able
to eliminate that.

926
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,175
Take the information. Thank you.

927
00:32:13,175 --> 00:32:14,349
He throws a fastball,

928
00:32:14,349 --> 00:32:15,490
curveball, and a slider.

929
00:32:15,490 --> 00:32:16,910
Got it. Thank you.

930
00:32:16,910 --> 00:32:18,530
But is he delivering it?

931
00:32:18,530 --> 00:32:21,470
You know, and maybe
two weeks ago he

932
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:24,510
was delivering a back door
curveball at every time.

933
00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:25,750
And that says it here.

934
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:28,430
But tonight I'm watching him
throw and he can't throw it.

935
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:30,210
So I eliminate that pitch.

936
00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:32,070
That was the stuff that
would happen on the bench.

937
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:33,310
There'd be conversations.

938
00:32:33,310 --> 00:32:34,630
When you're watching
your next game,

939
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:36,989
if you get to a
Yankee game or city,

940
00:32:36,989 --> 00:32:39,929
sit there and as soon
as a reliever comes in,

941
00:32:39,929 --> 00:32:42,630
watch the guy on deck circle
and see what he does.

942
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:44,670
He walks back to
the hitting coach.

943
00:32:44,670 --> 00:32:46,829
The hitting coach comes
out with this binder,

944
00:32:46,829 --> 00:32:48,470
and they're both
going like this.

945
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:49,750
And the guys warming
up right now,

946
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:51,530
and they're looking at it
and they're saying, okay,

947
00:32:51,530 --> 00:32:52,790
Al's going to throw
like what he just

948
00:32:52,790 --> 00:32:54,850
described and the dude's
throwing over there.

949
00:32:54,850 --> 00:32:56,870
It's just it's turning.

950
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:58,789
I, I don't have a better word

951
00:32:58,789 --> 00:33:00,170
other than the turning
them into robots.

952
00:33:00,170 --> 00:33:01,269
No. And it's kind of like

953
00:33:01,269 --> 00:33:02,549
going to the movies and watching

954
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:03,869
a review of the movie
while you're at

955
00:33:03,869 --> 00:33:05,650
the movies almost is what
you're describing, right?

956
00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:08,030
Like you're, you're, you're,
it's right in front of you.

957
00:33:08,030 --> 00:33:11,725
And it's almost a, an analogy
for what happens every

958
00:33:11,725 --> 00:33:13,419
day with everyday things

959
00:33:13,419 --> 00:33:15,680
like the little tools
that we depend on.

960
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,700
You start to outsource
some of that thinking.

961
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:20,300
You then lose some of
the instinctual benefits

962
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:22,200
that historically have
made players great.

963
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,340
God, I'm so glad you said that.

964
00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:26,920
Can you can your kids
read a map? Do they know?

965
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,080
Yeah, they can. They can
because I've made them.

966
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,280
But you're right, my son.

967
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,580
A smart kid who
went to Vanderbilt.

968
00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:34,000
Like if he doesn't plug in,

969
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,460
Jack doesn't plug in where he's

970
00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:37,140
going and then look
at the screen.

971
00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:37,720
Oh, yeah.

972
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,480
He doesn't know. I said,
Jack, which way is north?

973
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,900
He's like, uh. And
I'm not kidding.

974
00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:43,119
I'm not picking on
him. But you know,

975
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:44,320
I'm so glad you mentioned that.

976
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,380
It's like, it's crazy because I

977
00:33:46,380 --> 00:33:48,960
remember going to
cities and like,

978
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,740
I knew my way around Los
Angeles. I didn't have a map.

979
00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:54,640
I knew if I go down La
Cienega, I could get off here.

980
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,780
It's going to beat the traffic.

981
00:33:55,780 --> 00:33:57,520
I don't have to be on the 405,

982
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,620
you know, I knew all that.

983
00:33:58,620 --> 00:34:01,579
Now I pop in and sometimes

984
00:34:01,579 --> 00:34:05,280
GPS can't even be where I
know I can get to, you know?

985
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,219
But that's that's not I

986
00:34:07,219 --> 00:34:09,140
don't even know my
kids phone numbers.

987
00:34:09,140 --> 00:34:11,270
I'll be totally honest
with you, my wife.

988
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:11,590
And I were.

989
00:34:11,590 --> 00:34:12,710
Talking about that
the other day.

990
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:14,110
I don't know their numbers.

991
00:34:14,110 --> 00:34:15,350
I don't either.

992
00:34:15,350 --> 00:34:18,590
Because I just plug in their
name and it calls them.

993
00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:20,050
Yeah. Right. So we're getting.

994
00:34:20,050 --> 00:34:21,490
No phone and you're
not calling anybody.

995
00:34:21,490 --> 00:34:23,510
You're not going anywhere.
No, you guys are.

996
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:25,250
But maybe, you know,
the younger generation,

997
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:27,389
his last question
here on this segment,

998
00:34:27,389 --> 00:34:29,490
what's been a phenomenal
conversation?

999
00:34:29,490 --> 00:34:31,770
The state of the MLB
today, as you know.

1000
00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:34,610
Now a lot more information
is available to fans.

1001
00:34:34,610 --> 00:34:36,150
You see now, you know,

1002
00:34:36,150 --> 00:34:38,449
fans who have dialogue

1003
00:34:38,449 --> 00:34:40,830
and conversation around
things beyond just the game,

1004
00:34:40,830 --> 00:34:42,489
you know, teams, super teams,

1005
00:34:42,489 --> 00:34:43,869
if you will, teams
with, you know,

1006
00:34:43,869 --> 00:34:45,729
they're getting more involved
in contract conversations

1007
00:34:45,729 --> 00:34:47,710
and how this team able
to do this and that.

1008
00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:49,550
Yeah, ratings also
show that, you know,

1009
00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:52,570
I brought not multiple
Non-baseball fans

1010
00:34:52,570 --> 00:34:54,090
to watch the last
World Series with me.

1011
00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:55,369
And they were pointing
at the screen like,

1012
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:57,310
this is one of the craziest
things I've ever watched.

1013
00:34:57,310 --> 00:34:58,570
Right? And so there's still

1014
00:34:58,570 --> 00:35:02,530
so much natural raw entertainment
factor in the game.

1015
00:35:02,530 --> 00:35:03,950
If you can bring fans there,

1016
00:35:03,950 --> 00:35:05,089
what do you think
of the kind of the

1017
00:35:05,089 --> 00:35:06,129
state of where the MLB is

1018
00:35:06,129 --> 00:35:08,385
now with its its global stars?

1019
00:35:08,385 --> 00:35:09,840
You have, you know,

1020
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,619
Goliaths and Davids,
if you will,

1021
00:35:11,619 --> 00:35:13,540
their storylines and what.

1022
00:35:13,540 --> 00:35:14,400
Kind of excites you about

1023
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,660
the state of the game
and where it's going?

1024
00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:17,020
I think it's phenomenal.

1025
00:35:17,020 --> 00:35:19,120
Where we're at, um,

1026
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,979
I'll be, you know,

1027
00:35:20,979 --> 00:35:22,440
we've had this debate about

1028
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,120
Babe Ruth and Shohei
Ohtani. I'm sorry.

1029
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,940
Babe Ruth didn't run like him.

1030
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:28,980
He didn't throw 100 and he
hit the ball like this dude.

1031
00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:33,420
You know so it's just a
total different growth.

1032
00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:36,340
I do think there's you
know you can argue.

1033
00:35:36,340 --> 00:35:37,900
Do they play the
same type of game.

1034
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:39,360
I mean when a when a guy's

1035
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,380
playing you way back
and you're zero for 20,

1036
00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:42,900
you're not going to
take a bunt hit.

1037
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:45,360
You know, those are things
that boggle your mind.

1038
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,300
But where the game is at
internationally to be.

1039
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:52,079
Able to go to Japan last year
and watch the reaction of

1040
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:55,560
the Japanese fans to the
Dodgers and the Cubs.

1041
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,880
And the following of it.

1042
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,640
And what's going on
as a global empire.

1043
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,120
So where the game is at
globally. I'm jealous.

1044
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,920
I wish I could have
played at this time.

1045
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,230
It is so cool From
youth levels on up,

1046
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:10,730
they're playing all
over the globe.

1047
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:12,430
They're playing all
over the country.

1048
00:36:12,430 --> 00:36:14,810
It's pretty cool where the
sport is at right now.

1049
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:16,790
I think there's always
criticism, right?

1050
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:18,489
So, um, you know,

1051
00:36:18,489 --> 00:36:21,909
we've had traditionalists
the old school way

1052
00:36:21,909 --> 00:36:24,670
and the new school way and um,

1053
00:36:24,670 --> 00:36:29,329
you have to evolve
and the pushback is,

1054
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:30,650
oh, they're ruining the game.

1055
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:32,590
What are they doing?
No. As you just said,

1056
00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:34,830
I'm glad you set
that question up by.

1057
00:36:34,830 --> 00:36:36,709
You brought in some
of your friends that

1058
00:36:36,709 --> 00:36:39,010
don't that aren't baseball
fans. And they saw like, oh.

1059
00:36:39,010 --> 00:36:40,490
My God, this is great.

1060
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:42,389
We have a commissioner
and we have

1061
00:36:42,389 --> 00:36:45,230
a commissioner's office of
really like innovative,

1062
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:48,230
forward thinkers and
smart people that

1063
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:52,270
they have to get
ahead of what people,

1064
00:36:52,270 --> 00:36:54,030
the ticket buyers,

1065
00:36:54,030 --> 00:36:55,610
the people who are
coming to the ballpark.

1066
00:36:55,610 --> 00:36:56,770
They listen to their fans.

1067
00:36:56,770 --> 00:36:58,070
Yeah, they listen to
the fans. Thank you.

1068
00:36:58,070 --> 00:36:59,809
So one of the,

1069
00:36:59,809 --> 00:37:01,729
the number one,
number one thing,

1070
00:37:01,729 --> 00:37:03,829
and I'm guilty was

1071
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:07,479
the clock because I was I
was a real mental pitcher,

1072
00:37:07,479 --> 00:37:11,380
not mental, but I had
a thought process.

1073
00:37:11,380 --> 00:37:12,779
And, you know, I was very, very,

1074
00:37:12,779 --> 00:37:14,640
um, you know, cerebral.

1075
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,320
And as soon as the clock, God,

1076
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,560
God, we got a clock now,

1077
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,180
man, that one thing.

1078
00:37:21,180 --> 00:37:22,340
And I know the commissioner and

1079
00:37:22,340 --> 00:37:23,759
the people made the
decision was like,

1080
00:37:23,759 --> 00:37:25,580
you know, there's
always criticism.

1081
00:37:25,580 --> 00:37:27,320
It was the best thing. You know,

1082
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,420
we didn't have enough
guys that that like,

1083
00:37:29,420 --> 00:37:30,800
hey guys, keep it moving.

1084
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,720
The umpires are always going,
come on now, chop chop.

1085
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:34,060
And like, okay, guess what?

1086
00:37:34,060 --> 00:37:35,300
You have a clock. And it was

1087
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:37,300
good because it's
making it crisp.

1088
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:38,619
And why did we do it for

1089
00:37:38,619 --> 00:37:40,059
your non-baseball friends and

1090
00:37:40,059 --> 00:37:41,160
other people who are friends,

1091
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,700
they're like, oh, this is a
better it's a better watch.

1092
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:45,800
So you constantly have
to keep evolving.

1093
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,280
H was talking about, I'd love
to have had a, you know,

1094
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,179
a chance to play
down in Mexico or

1095
00:37:50,179 --> 00:37:52,360
Japan or London or whatever,

1096
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,740
like, wow, that's cool.

1097
00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:55,040
So we got to keep going.

1098
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,360
The game is evolving positively.

1099
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,540
Are there going to
be some things?

1100
00:37:58,540 --> 00:37:59,839
We go, oh yeah,

1101
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:01,620
yeah, but it's part of it.

1102
00:38:01,620 --> 00:38:03,000
And as Harold just said,

1103
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,090
like we have a sport and

1104
00:38:05,090 --> 00:38:06,889
a commissioner's
office that listens

1105
00:38:06,889 --> 00:38:08,870
to our fans. That's
what you got to do.

1106
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:10,389
Amazing conversation and I

1107
00:38:10,389 --> 00:38:11,990
love where the game
is going now too.

1108
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:13,190
By the way, I just
want to add this.

1109
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:15,170
Joel. And I think

1110
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:17,490
this was it because we were
I was at the World Series.

1111
00:38:17,490 --> 00:38:20,010
You had you had

1112
00:38:20,010 --> 00:38:23,710
the first pitch thrown in Japan
in Major League Baseball.

1113
00:38:23,710 --> 00:38:28,770
The last pitch in Canada
by a Japanese pitcher.

1114
00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:31,829
Yeah. Yamamoto was amazing
what he did to come

1115
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:33,449
back in the next day
and get up and down

1116
00:38:33,449 --> 00:38:35,110
three different
times like crazy.

1117
00:38:35,110 --> 00:38:37,530
Which pitches, they say
if you don't pitch,

1118
00:38:37,530 --> 00:38:39,130
you don't understand
how outrageous

1119
00:38:39,130 --> 00:38:40,830
that is. Yeah. On that kind of.

1120
00:38:40,830 --> 00:38:42,210
Rest, to come back the next

1121
00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:44,590
day and he was
still throwing 96,

1122
00:38:44,590 --> 00:38:46,650
97, whatever it was. No.

1123
00:38:46,650 --> 00:38:49,110
So, so so to, to end this,

1124
00:38:49,110 --> 00:38:51,289
if you want to compare
the generations,

1125
00:38:51,289 --> 00:38:52,630
that would have never happened.

1126
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:54,530
Al Leiter is not throwing
nine innings the night

1127
00:38:54,530 --> 00:38:56,710
before and getting up and
closing the game the next day.

1128
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:59,750
It's not going to happen.
So I think we have.

1129
00:38:59,750 --> 00:39:00,390
Couldn't happen.

1130
00:39:00,390 --> 00:39:02,050
No. We have we have

1131
00:39:02,050 --> 00:39:06,060
some freak athletes were
displaying them properly.

1132
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:08,360
And I think we're merging

1133
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,460
the sport because it is really
cool to sit there and go.

1134
00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:14,160
Is Shohei Ohtani
better than Babe Ruth?

1135
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,180
Is this guy better than Griffey?

1136
00:39:16,180 --> 00:39:19,980
Is judge has really one of
the best Yankees of all time?

1137
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:21,900
Is he the most popular? Is he.

1138
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:25,179
So it's really cool
to be able to really

1139
00:39:25,179 --> 00:39:27,040
see the sport and compare

1140
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,180
it because conversations
are what drive this.

1141
00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:30,440
And by the way, we're
sitting here as

1142
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,460
MLB network analysts like,

1143
00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:35,120
honestly, this is going to
sound gratuitous or shill.

1144
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,159
There's no better place for

1145
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:40,460
your even your marginal
baseball fans to watch

1146
00:39:40,460 --> 00:39:43,360
baseball or get the right
kind of coverage and

1147
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,300
the right kind of analysis
than MLB network.

1148
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:48,980
And that's a wonderful way
to, to kind of end this.

1149
00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:51,080
It's been a phenomenal
conversation.

1150
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,560
That was Al Leiter
and Harold Reynolds.

1151
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,719
Thank you so much for joining us

1152
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,000
and we will catch you next time.