1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,200 But when I came in, the OGs used to tell me, 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:03,220 it's not about what you make, 3 00:00:03,220 --> 00:00:04,600 it's about what you save. 4 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,599 So with me understanding that, 5 00:00:06,599 --> 00:00:07,960 and it's like a cliche thing 6 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:09,500 that I used to always hear in the league. 7 00:00:09,500 --> 00:00:12,700 Yeah, you make a lot, but it's a lot of guys that at 8 00:00:12,700 --> 00:00:14,280 the end they're champions and 9 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,180 they broke or they just lose it all. 10 00:00:16,180 --> 00:00:19,440 So my financial advisor made sure I was good. 11 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:20,820 Ever since I was 18, 12 00:00:20,820 --> 00:00:23,480 19, I always had a will, always had a trust. 13 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,980 I never worried about that and 14 00:00:25,980 --> 00:00:29,639 just made sure we bulletproofed ourselves over the years. 15 00:00:34,041 --> 00:00:36,200 Welcome to another episode of 16 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,479 Nasdaq's The Winning Formula 17 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,700 presented by the Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula one team. 18 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:42,020 I am your host, Joel Kilani. 19 00:00:42,020 --> 00:00:44,360 We are on the start of 20 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,720 a Goat Edition episode of The Winning Formula. 21 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,200 We have the 2008 number one draft pick, 22 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,320 rookie of the year, 23 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,380 NBA MVP number in the rafters. 24 00:00:53,380 --> 00:00:54,600 Derrick Rose, thank you so much 25 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:55,940 for being here with us today. 26 00:00:55,940 --> 00:00:58,260 Oh man. Thank you for having me Joe. Appreciate it. 27 00:00:58,260 --> 00:01:01,920 Absolutely. So motions got to be running crazy. 28 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,440 Yeah, it's been a crazy week. 29 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:04,739 Yeah. We're talking about 30 00:01:04,739 --> 00:01:07,420 retirement number in the rafters. 31 00:01:07,420 --> 00:01:09,900 If you ask your teenage self could you 32 00:01:09,900 --> 00:01:12,440 imagine that kid coming from the shop? 33 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:13,180 Right. 34 00:01:13,180 --> 00:01:14,579 By the way, your number is 35 00:01:14,579 --> 00:01:15,860 going to be retired next to Jordan 36 00:01:15,860 --> 00:01:18,459 and Pippen in the United Center. Would you believe that? 37 00:01:18,459 --> 00:01:21,179 I would not have believed that when I was younger, 38 00:01:21,179 --> 00:01:23,060 let alone being drafted, 39 00:01:23,060 --> 00:01:25,280 number one, going to my hometown? 40 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,319 Like that's something that you can't even dream about 41 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,139 or use your imagination for real or yeah, 42 00:01:30,139 --> 00:01:32,540 you have to use your imagination for something like that. 43 00:01:32,540 --> 00:01:36,940 But blessed and very grateful and trying to cherish it. 44 00:01:36,940 --> 00:01:38,620 As your journey. Obviously, you took 45 00:01:38,620 --> 00:01:40,820 the Memphis Tigers to the national championship game. 46 00:01:40,820 --> 00:01:42,140 You had a lot of hype coming in. 47 00:01:42,140 --> 00:01:43,379 Number one pick at 48 00:01:43,379 --> 00:01:46,059 any point when you were going into the league, 49 00:01:46,059 --> 00:01:48,160 did you ever think about long term, exact, 50 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,260 like how big it could get, 51 00:01:49,260 --> 00:01:50,939 or were you always just focused on the next day, 52 00:01:50,939 --> 00:01:52,320 the next game getting better? 53 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:53,759 How much did you think about, 54 00:01:53,759 --> 00:01:54,159 you know, 55 00:01:54,159 --> 00:01:55,880 how big things could get in terms of your career? 56 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,330 I was going year by year. 57 00:01:57,330 --> 00:01:58,510 And I really think about it. 58 00:01:58,510 --> 00:01:59,570 Yeah. Year by year. 59 00:01:59,570 --> 00:02:01,790 I didn't want to. What they say 60 00:02:01,790 --> 00:02:04,370 live in a predictable future in a familiar past. 61 00:02:04,370 --> 00:02:06,069 So year by year 62 00:02:06,069 --> 00:02:08,390 and trying to add and progress year by year. 63 00:02:08,390 --> 00:02:11,389 Because normally when you in the off season, 64 00:02:11,389 --> 00:02:13,170 you normally throw in one move. 65 00:02:13,170 --> 00:02:14,949 Now, I don't know if the young boys know this, 66 00:02:14,949 --> 00:02:17,630 but they try to throw in like 4 or 5 moves. 67 00:02:17,630 --> 00:02:21,290 That's a lot of moves to put into like one summer. 68 00:02:21,290 --> 00:02:22,889 So like when I came in, 69 00:02:22,889 --> 00:02:25,769 the greats like Cobe and all the other players, 70 00:02:25,769 --> 00:02:27,669 Tmax and everybody, they all 71 00:02:27,669 --> 00:02:29,830 implemented one move every summer. 72 00:02:29,830 --> 00:02:31,710 So you come back and you 73 00:02:31,710 --> 00:02:33,770 could tell what that person's been working on. 74 00:02:33,770 --> 00:02:35,270 Like they perfected the move. 75 00:02:35,270 --> 00:02:37,230 So that's when we seen who was working. 76 00:02:37,230 --> 00:02:38,389 But the young guys, now they're 77 00:02:38,389 --> 00:02:39,830 so talented that they probably 78 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:43,350 can implement 3 or 4 moves into a summer. 79 00:02:43,350 --> 00:02:45,170 But back then we weren't that skilled. 80 00:02:45,170 --> 00:02:47,709 So you're saying, you know, from a pace perspective, 81 00:02:47,709 --> 00:02:49,470 really getting good at one, 82 00:02:49,470 --> 00:02:51,749 two, three core things to improve your game is 83 00:02:51,749 --> 00:02:54,310 better than trying to do 6 or 7 things at once. 84 00:02:54,310 --> 00:02:57,190 That may be the old way. That may be the old way. 85 00:02:57,190 --> 00:02:58,909 Back then, when we came in, 86 00:02:58,909 --> 00:03:01,130 you could tell who like code. 87 00:03:01,130 --> 00:03:03,390 If he was working on a certain shot, 88 00:03:03,390 --> 00:03:04,830 he'll work on it in the game. 89 00:03:04,830 --> 00:03:08,650 Or you could see him just in the pre game working on it. 90 00:03:08,650 --> 00:03:11,810 Then you get in the game and he perfected it. 91 00:03:11,810 --> 00:03:14,190 So like each summer I try to come back or 92 00:03:14,190 --> 00:03:16,869 going to the the workshop and come 93 00:03:16,869 --> 00:03:19,569 back like with a jump shot or come back 94 00:03:19,569 --> 00:03:22,410 with finishing better or come back. 95 00:03:22,410 --> 00:03:24,189 Little things, free throws, 96 00:03:24,189 --> 00:03:27,090 just trying to prove by any means, you know. 97 00:03:27,090 --> 00:03:28,410 Was there and this could have been 98 00:03:28,410 --> 00:03:30,350 your rookie season because you were rookie of the year. 99 00:03:30,350 --> 00:03:32,050 Was there a game or a moment you 100 00:03:32,050 --> 00:03:34,210 remember where you looked around and you said, 101 00:03:34,210 --> 00:03:35,289 you know what, I think I'm gonna be in 102 00:03:35,289 --> 00:03:36,910 this league for a while. You know what I mean? 103 00:03:36,910 --> 00:03:38,969 Where you felt whether you could 104 00:03:38,969 --> 00:03:41,350 tell the defenses couldn't really figure you out. 105 00:03:41,350 --> 00:03:43,130 You got comfortable, your shot was falling. 106 00:03:43,130 --> 00:03:44,129 Was there a moment where you're like, 107 00:03:44,129 --> 00:03:45,130 oh, I'm gonna be here a while? 108 00:03:45,130 --> 00:03:48,030 I think it was my sophomore year, my second year. 109 00:03:48,030 --> 00:03:50,089 That's when I realized that I could 110 00:03:50,089 --> 00:03:52,170 play with them first year. 111 00:03:52,170 --> 00:03:54,640 Um, like I, I was telling Jabari, 112 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,880 I'm a damn near like a quarterback. 113 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,940 You have to learn the plays. 114 00:03:58,940 --> 00:04:01,740 Time management know when the guys want the ball. 115 00:04:01,740 --> 00:04:03,180 All this is going on. So you're 116 00:04:03,180 --> 00:04:04,800 getting accustomed to just the league, 117 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,040 the speed of the league. 118 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,859 Once I got that done by the second year, 119 00:04:08,859 --> 00:04:12,860 I kind of knew that I had the chance to be 120 00:04:12,860 --> 00:04:14,619 one of the best players or 121 00:04:14,619 --> 00:04:16,920 like one of the top players in the league. 122 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,020 My second year, if I kept working. 123 00:04:19,020 --> 00:04:20,880 I love that. And, you know, 124 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,339 I'll get into a few of 125 00:04:22,339 --> 00:04:24,760 the more basketball related questions in a minute. 126 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,860 We have a book here, a print. 127 00:04:26,860 --> 00:04:27,500 Yes, sir. 128 00:04:27,500 --> 00:04:29,180 Definitely want to talk about it. 129 00:04:29,180 --> 00:04:30,580 Photography driven. 130 00:04:30,580 --> 00:04:31,760 Intentional decision. 131 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,020 Yes. An album of your life. 132 00:04:34,020 --> 00:04:35,300 Scoop Jackson obviously with 133 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:37,019 the narration behind in the copy, 134 00:04:37,019 --> 00:04:38,499 I want to kind of dive 135 00:04:38,499 --> 00:04:40,980 into the idea behind it, how it came about, 136 00:04:40,980 --> 00:04:42,919 but also what folks should expect when they do 137 00:04:42,919 --> 00:04:45,179 dive into this because it is in a lot of ways, 138 00:04:45,179 --> 00:04:46,339 a legacy book in terms of 139 00:04:46,339 --> 00:04:48,260 all the things that made you who you are today. 140 00:04:48,260 --> 00:04:49,700 Exactly. Shout out to scoop. 141 00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:51,840 Shout out to prosper his wife. 142 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:55,380 Shout out to the team, everybody. 143 00:04:55,380 --> 00:04:57,520 Me and my wife, we collect. We're collectors. 144 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,760 And when you do think about like opulent books, 145 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,300 you think about Assouline. 146 00:05:02,300 --> 00:05:04,920 And I'm a collector myself, like I said. 147 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,579 So we have a bunch in our house and we 148 00:05:07,579 --> 00:05:10,740 ideated on it with me and my team, my business partners. 149 00:05:10,740 --> 00:05:13,180 Uh, me, Elena, Maddie, Ryan and Art. 150 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:14,500 We outdated on it. 151 00:05:14,500 --> 00:05:16,319 Reached out to him through 152 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:18,860 Instagram and they reached back out. 153 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:21,579 Um, once we, we came to terms of like, 154 00:05:21,579 --> 00:05:23,440 okay, figuring it out. 155 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,420 I figured out the name, the blueprint. 156 00:05:25,420 --> 00:05:26,539 When you think about Jay Z, 157 00:05:26,539 --> 00:05:28,140 the blueprint or you 158 00:05:28,140 --> 00:05:30,160 think about anything with the infrastructure, 159 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,860 you always going to need a blueprint. 160 00:05:31,860 --> 00:05:33,839 Um, for me, I know I won't be 161 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,220 the last player to be quiet or, 162 00:05:36,220 --> 00:05:39,160 or an introvert or an ambivert. 163 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,480 So I wanted to at least put 164 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,859 this out here to let kids know that, 165 00:05:43,859 --> 00:05:45,800 that that's like me, 166 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:46,940 that you could get through it. 167 00:05:46,940 --> 00:05:48,120 If you don't want fame, 168 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,850 it's a way that you can get through all that 169 00:05:49,850 --> 00:05:53,030 with having a crazy amount of like, 170 00:05:53,030 --> 00:05:54,970 you know, a fan base or whatever. 171 00:05:54,970 --> 00:05:58,130 So we came out with this and when we first started, 172 00:05:58,130 --> 00:05:59,250 I didn't think that I would have 173 00:05:59,250 --> 00:06:00,730 a bunch of pictures of myself 174 00:06:00,730 --> 00:06:03,529 because I told my wife and my friend's like, 175 00:06:03,529 --> 00:06:05,510 man, I don't think I got that many pictures of me 176 00:06:05,510 --> 00:06:06,889 myself when I was younger because 177 00:06:06,889 --> 00:06:08,530 my mom didn't take pictures. 178 00:06:08,530 --> 00:06:10,069 Come to find out, 179 00:06:10,069 --> 00:06:13,269 I had a ton of pictures and we wanted to, 180 00:06:13,269 --> 00:06:15,569 um, conflate all that together and 181 00:06:15,569 --> 00:06:18,250 come up with something special, a special concept. 182 00:06:18,250 --> 00:06:20,950 So we were the first, um, 183 00:06:20,950 --> 00:06:24,250 hoopers to come up or do a collab with Vaseline. 184 00:06:24,250 --> 00:06:26,889 I don't know how MJ slid in, but before us, 185 00:06:26,889 --> 00:06:30,630 but we were the first ones to sign up with Vaseline. 186 00:06:30,630 --> 00:06:31,970 They came up with this great idea. 187 00:06:31,970 --> 00:06:33,870 We came out with a smaller version. 188 00:06:33,870 --> 00:06:35,810 They have bigger versions, of course, 189 00:06:35,810 --> 00:06:37,089 more grand versions, 190 00:06:37,089 --> 00:06:39,710 but I feel like this size is perfect. 191 00:06:39,710 --> 00:06:41,370 I love that, and there's one part of this 192 00:06:41,370 --> 00:06:42,970 that I actually wanted to dive in on that 193 00:06:42,970 --> 00:06:46,109 you talk about for the low key person, 194 00:06:46,109 --> 00:06:47,809 the person who doesn't want fame, 195 00:06:47,809 --> 00:06:49,610 doesn't want idolization. You're big on that. 196 00:06:49,610 --> 00:06:50,770 You've mentioned, you know, 197 00:06:50,770 --> 00:06:52,309 I wouldn't look forward to a statue because 198 00:06:52,309 --> 00:06:53,970 I don't like Idolization. 199 00:06:53,970 --> 00:06:56,190 How? What part of your personality do you think that 200 00:06:56,190 --> 00:06:57,470 developed because you had 201 00:06:57,470 --> 00:06:59,450 the spotlight on you since you were so young? 202 00:06:59,450 --> 00:07:01,010 Yeah. At what point did you realize, you know, 203 00:07:01,010 --> 00:07:02,950 this fame thing that comes with whooping? 204 00:07:02,950 --> 00:07:04,110 Draymond always talks about this. 205 00:07:04,110 --> 00:07:06,130 He says the fame part is the. 206 00:07:06,130 --> 00:07:07,350 Everything that comes outside of 207 00:07:07,350 --> 00:07:08,950 basketball is what makes it hard. 208 00:07:08,950 --> 00:07:10,810 The basketball part I could do everything else 209 00:07:10,810 --> 00:07:12,670 is what makes it messy. Do you agree with that? 210 00:07:12,670 --> 00:07:14,830 And do you feel like that's part of what formed 211 00:07:14,830 --> 00:07:16,110 your opinion around not 212 00:07:16,110 --> 00:07:17,730 being into the fame and the other side of it? 213 00:07:17,730 --> 00:07:21,349 It was me and my mom played a huge role with her, 214 00:07:21,349 --> 00:07:23,450 always making sure that like, 215 00:07:23,450 --> 00:07:26,789 I didn't treat people I didn't like out like, 216 00:07:26,789 --> 00:07:29,250 um, act out because of like, 217 00:07:29,250 --> 00:07:30,590 because I played basketball. 218 00:07:30,590 --> 00:07:33,610 And to be really practical about it, 219 00:07:33,610 --> 00:07:35,010 just because you who, 220 00:07:35,010 --> 00:07:37,230 you shouldn't think that you're better than somebody just 221 00:07:37,230 --> 00:07:39,590 because I could jump higher or run faster than someone. 222 00:07:39,590 --> 00:07:41,670 So that was always like dumb to me. 223 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:44,190 So I never thought about that or I never put 224 00:07:44,190 --> 00:07:46,920 myself in positions to like, 225 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,960 um, have my ego like be the biggest thing in the room. 226 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,279 So with me knowing that I always thought 227 00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:56,720 karma was always going to come my way if I did that. 228 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:57,920 So that's how I moved. 229 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,639 To this day, I treat people how I'm treated 230 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:04,159 and I try to live a humble life or, 231 00:08:04,159 --> 00:08:07,240 um, a low, you know, a chill life. 232 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,880 I admire that because it's so easy, 233 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,680 especially in a social media era, 234 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,639 to have so much fandom and people who 235 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:14,880 admire you for that to 236 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,780 impact how you think about yourself. 237 00:08:16,780 --> 00:08:18,480 You know, it's so easy for that to kind of get into 238 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,440 your head and you start to kind of move differently. 239 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,400 You might not even notice that 240 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:22,660 you're treating people differently. 241 00:08:22,660 --> 00:08:25,680 So I, I appreciate that you make that a forefront. 242 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,499 As friends and family. If I act that way, my, 243 00:08:28,499 --> 00:08:30,399 I wouldn't be able to be around 244 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:31,639 my family like that because 245 00:08:31,639 --> 00:08:32,860 they would have been checked it. 246 00:08:32,860 --> 00:08:34,560 Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. 247 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:36,980 And so D rose flower shop. 248 00:08:36,980 --> 00:08:37,620 Yes, sir. 249 00:08:37,620 --> 00:08:38,900 You know, this is Nasdaq. 250 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:41,300 You love talking about financial literacy business. 251 00:08:41,300 --> 00:08:42,740 Yeah. I wanted to kind of 252 00:08:42,740 --> 00:08:44,820 ask you around the flower shop and 253 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:46,580 the expansion and the thought around it makes 254 00:08:46,580 --> 00:08:48,560 perfect sense from a brand perspective. 255 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:50,060 You know, how did that come about? 256 00:08:50,060 --> 00:08:52,340 But then also, how do you think about just business in 257 00:08:52,340 --> 00:08:54,740 general in your post career now that the league is over? 258 00:08:54,740 --> 00:08:55,940 And I know you probably know a lot 259 00:08:55,940 --> 00:08:57,260 of young players who also think about 260 00:08:57,260 --> 00:08:59,860 what their post-career looks like from from playing. 261 00:08:59,860 --> 00:09:01,299 How do you think about the business empire that 262 00:09:01,299 --> 00:09:02,979 you're building and also how the flower shop fit in? 263 00:09:02,979 --> 00:09:04,579 So the flower shop came up 264 00:09:04,579 --> 00:09:06,360 last year when we were doing our run. 265 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,380 Me and my team, 266 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:09,960 Maddie and Elena, ran art once again. 267 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,800 We ideated on the concept of a pop up shop. 268 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,180 We ended up doing a pop up shop and it 269 00:09:16,180 --> 00:09:18,820 was one of the coldest days of the year, 270 00:09:18,820 --> 00:09:21,420 and we thought that the turnout wasn't going to be that. 271 00:09:21,420 --> 00:09:23,260 It ended up turning out to be pretty great. 272 00:09:23,260 --> 00:09:25,800 Everybody waited in line and, 273 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,700 um, we felt like that was 274 00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:30,320 the closest thing we could get to proof of concept. 275 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,279 Once I realized that, 276 00:09:32,279 --> 00:09:35,500 I went full speed with getting a partner. 277 00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:38,320 I got a partner. They've been around for 140 years. 278 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,885 They're on the sixth generation like a family. 279 00:09:40,885 --> 00:09:42,830 Well, all you hear about 280 00:09:42,830 --> 00:09:44,930 is how families can't go past three. 281 00:09:44,930 --> 00:09:48,010 I met somebody that's on their sixth generation. 282 00:09:48,010 --> 00:09:51,830 He's 90 some years old and he's figuring things out, 283 00:09:51,830 --> 00:09:54,470 and he's helping me with my business and what? 284 00:09:54,470 --> 00:09:55,810 My family business. 285 00:09:55,810 --> 00:09:58,089 Um, once we, we partnered, 286 00:09:58,089 --> 00:10:01,049 we're doing the online and now we're, 287 00:10:01,049 --> 00:10:04,230 uh, figuring out the structure for, uh, 288 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:08,609 workshops, uh, um, trips to Ecuador with the kids, 289 00:10:08,609 --> 00:10:10,210 uh, just everything, 290 00:10:10,210 --> 00:10:13,110 just the ecosystem around the workshop, I would say. 291 00:10:13,110 --> 00:10:16,290 I love that and financial literacy. 292 00:10:16,290 --> 00:10:18,470 You're an MBA vet. You've been one for a while. 293 00:10:18,470 --> 00:10:20,010 You came in in 2008. 294 00:10:20,010 --> 00:10:21,890 Yeah. How has the league and 295 00:10:21,890 --> 00:10:25,370 the just the attitude towards financial literacy, 296 00:10:25,370 --> 00:10:27,990 I'd say, evolved from the time you joined the league, 297 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:29,110 because that was a significant 298 00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:30,370 period of change in the NBA, 299 00:10:30,370 --> 00:10:31,870 those 15, 16 years. 300 00:10:31,870 --> 00:10:34,630 How has financial literacy, uh, kind of evolved? 301 00:10:34,630 --> 00:10:35,689 And how do players kind of 302 00:10:35,689 --> 00:10:37,230 approach now managing their money? 303 00:10:37,230 --> 00:10:39,040 There's so much the contracts are so big now. 304 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,070 have you seen a change in that and have you changed? 305 00:10:41,070 --> 00:10:43,470 It's changed. And they're fortunate enough to only 306 00:10:43,470 --> 00:10:46,850 like work or pull from one contract. 307 00:10:46,850 --> 00:10:49,330 Um, a lot of guys aren't able to do 308 00:10:49,330 --> 00:10:51,870 that because they have one source of income. 309 00:10:51,870 --> 00:10:54,069 So, uh, with the young guys, 310 00:10:54,069 --> 00:10:55,930 uh, they haven't had any problems. 311 00:10:55,930 --> 00:10:57,310 They're making a lot of money. 312 00:10:57,310 --> 00:10:58,630 Um, but when I came in, 313 00:10:58,630 --> 00:11:00,890 the OGs used to tell me it's not about what you make, 314 00:11:00,890 --> 00:11:02,230 it's about what you save. 315 00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:04,249 So with me understanding that, 316 00:11:04,249 --> 00:11:05,690 and it's like a cliche thing 317 00:11:05,690 --> 00:11:07,190 that I used to always hear in the league. 318 00:11:07,190 --> 00:11:10,389 Yeah, you make a lot, but it's a lot of guys that at 319 00:11:10,389 --> 00:11:12,010 the end they're champions and 320 00:11:12,010 --> 00:11:13,870 they broke or they just lose it all. 321 00:11:13,870 --> 00:11:17,130 So my financial advisor made sure I was good. 322 00:11:17,130 --> 00:11:18,590 Ever since I was 18, 323 00:11:18,590 --> 00:11:21,170 19, I always had a will, always had a trust. 324 00:11:21,170 --> 00:11:23,630 I never worried about that and 325 00:11:23,630 --> 00:11:26,470 just made sure we bulletproofed ourselves over the years. 326 00:11:26,470 --> 00:11:30,269 Yeah. Was there an OG or a vet that when you came in, 327 00:11:30,269 --> 00:11:31,649 kind of showed you the ropes a little bit 328 00:11:31,649 --> 00:11:33,010 or tried to give you some guidance? 329 00:11:33,010 --> 00:11:35,310 We had Jimmy Butler on who said Luol Deng was his? 330 00:11:35,310 --> 00:11:37,195 Yeah, I think he was an OG for a lot of people. 331 00:11:37,195 --> 00:11:38,179 Was there any players 332 00:11:38,179 --> 00:11:39,360 that you remember throughout your career. 333 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:40,320 That financially or. 334 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,900 Yeah, just like managing your money, managing fame, 335 00:11:42,900 --> 00:11:44,380 even like just any kind of advice, 336 00:11:44,380 --> 00:11:45,380 just what it means to be 337 00:11:45,380 --> 00:11:46,980 an NBA player and how to manage that. 338 00:11:46,980 --> 00:11:49,720 I feel like that's every OG that I damn near played. 339 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:50,840 Yeah. Playing under. 340 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,820 I feel like I pulled something from every one of them, 341 00:11:53,820 --> 00:11:55,220 the good, the bad, 342 00:11:55,220 --> 00:11:57,840 and stayed away from the ugly that they did. 343 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,620 Like it was a learning experience. 344 00:11:59,620 --> 00:12:02,760 Um, I came in a different time in the league where, 345 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,920 um, you know, guys were a little older too. 346 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,059 So when I came in, 347 00:12:07,059 --> 00:12:09,419 I felt like I had to fit in and, 348 00:12:09,419 --> 00:12:11,600 um, yeah, with me being the youngest, 349 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:12,900 going through hazing and all that. 350 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:14,860 So it was just a different time. 351 00:12:14,860 --> 00:12:16,619 But the guys that's coming in now, 352 00:12:16,619 --> 00:12:19,160 I feel like it's, it's in a great place though. 353 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,760 I feel like the guys that care about the game, 354 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,920 I feel like the product is always been good. 355 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,600 They just got to make sure that the urgency is there. 356 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,400 Yeah. And you know from 357 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,999 a spectrum standpoint you've been peak, 358 00:12:31,999 --> 00:12:33,480 you've been, you know, the mentor. 359 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:34,720 You've been in everything. 360 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,180 You've been in all the things. 361 00:12:36,180 --> 00:12:37,720 Would you say how it all 362 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,340 netted out in the end for your career? 363 00:12:39,340 --> 00:12:40,840 Like you wouldn't have it any other way in 364 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,580 terms of just how it went? The ups, the. 365 00:12:42,580 --> 00:12:44,599 I wouldn't bro, I wouldn't, uh, 366 00:12:44,599 --> 00:12:46,440 if you think about my injury, 367 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,240 if people think about tips, 368 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,820 if people think about the tips like all that, 369 00:12:52,820 --> 00:12:53,939 like I wouldn't have, 370 00:12:53,939 --> 00:12:55,679 I wouldn't have got an MVP if it wasn't for 371 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,680 tips like him keeping me 372 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:00,679 accountable after every game and 373 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,800 me being persistent after every game and 374 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,739 me playing the same way after scoring 375 00:13:04,739 --> 00:13:07,019 30 or 40 3 or 4 times in a way, 376 00:13:07,019 --> 00:13:08,200 and I got to score another 377 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,340 30 or 40 to fifth and sixth game, 378 00:13:10,340 --> 00:13:12,740 who is keeping me locked in like that? 379 00:13:12,740 --> 00:13:15,819 Tips. I come back, 380 00:13:15,819 --> 00:13:17,600 I'm out the league out of Cleveland. 381 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,420 I come back to 382 00:13:20,420 --> 00:13:24,620 the Timberwolves at the three, not the point guard. 383 00:13:24,620 --> 00:13:28,220 I'm at the small forward spot tips got. 384 00:13:28,220 --> 00:13:30,240 He signed me back to Minnesota. 385 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,945 If it wasn't for tips I would have been out the league. 386 00:13:32,945 --> 00:13:36,610 So for everybody that's talking all that talk about him, 387 00:13:36,610 --> 00:13:38,950 he added years to my career. 388 00:13:38,950 --> 00:13:41,989 So they were just looking at the like the, 389 00:13:41,989 --> 00:13:46,390 the, the negative parts instead of the totality of it. 390 00:13:46,390 --> 00:13:47,690 That's a, that's a great kind 391 00:13:47,690 --> 00:13:49,090 of unlocking that you mentioned, 392 00:13:49,090 --> 00:13:50,489 because people don't always think 393 00:13:50,489 --> 00:13:52,210 about how a coach can have that great of 394 00:13:52,210 --> 00:13:53,570 an impact on a player in terms of 395 00:13:53,570 --> 00:13:55,550 adding years, adding contracts. 396 00:13:55,550 --> 00:13:58,230 Yeah, he was obsessed. He made me more obsessed. 397 00:13:58,230 --> 00:14:01,950 Like imagine, just think about how I played. 398 00:14:01,950 --> 00:14:03,890 I was like a machine that year. 399 00:14:03,890 --> 00:14:04,930 He was the only one that could 400 00:14:04,930 --> 00:14:06,110 keep me locked in that way. 401 00:14:06,110 --> 00:14:07,690 And that's how we took every game 402 00:14:07,690 --> 00:14:09,370 and that's how I got MVP. 403 00:14:09,370 --> 00:14:11,169 And if it wasn't for him, 404 00:14:11,169 --> 00:14:12,210 I wouldn't have got it. 405 00:14:12,210 --> 00:14:13,510 I was too young. 406 00:14:13,510 --> 00:14:15,110 So I needed somebody to like, 407 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:17,350 micromanage me, get to the, 408 00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:20,170 uh, get to the 50 point game. 409 00:14:20,170 --> 00:14:21,710 He's the coach. 410 00:14:21,710 --> 00:14:25,710 Yeah. He's telling Cat to play through me. 411 00:14:25,710 --> 00:14:27,210 He's calling the plays. 412 00:14:27,210 --> 00:14:29,410 That 50 point game. 413 00:14:29,410 --> 00:14:31,710 Cat's still on the floor. 414 00:14:31,710 --> 00:14:35,810 He could have easily went through cat. Just saying. 415 00:14:35,810 --> 00:14:37,250 That's significant. And that's. 416 00:14:37,250 --> 00:14:39,630 And obviously after that game very emotional moment, 417 00:14:39,630 --> 00:14:42,690 it was a huge redemption kind of feeling for you. 418 00:14:42,690 --> 00:14:44,510 It's all me. It's never him. 419 00:14:44,510 --> 00:14:45,910 It's all me. Oh you did, 420 00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:47,350 you did. What about. 421 00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:48,870 Right. And you're saying and this is 422 00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:50,510 kind of the theme that you've been talking about today. 423 00:14:50,510 --> 00:14:52,590 It's always been a collaboration in a lot of ways, 424 00:14:52,590 --> 00:14:54,170 whether it's your business ventures, 425 00:14:54,170 --> 00:14:55,370 you know, your success on the court. 426 00:14:55,370 --> 00:14:56,549 You just talked about Tibs and your team 427 00:14:56,549 --> 00:14:58,350 is it's always been a collaboration. 428 00:14:58,350 --> 00:14:59,870 That's why you kind of shy away from 429 00:14:59,870 --> 00:15:01,730 that idea of like, oh, zero, zero. 430 00:15:01,730 --> 00:15:03,529 It's like it's a story about everybody. 431 00:15:03,529 --> 00:15:04,450 Same with the fans. 432 00:15:04,450 --> 00:15:05,030 Yeah. 433 00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:08,289 I love even though I didn't love fame, 434 00:15:08,289 --> 00:15:10,710 I still wanted people to see how 435 00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:14,250 hard to understand how hard I work. 436 00:15:14,250 --> 00:15:17,670 Mhm. Didn't want fame sound crazy, 437 00:15:17,670 --> 00:15:20,230 but I wanted them to see how hard I work. 438 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:22,270 And that's how I played the way that I played. 439 00:15:22,270 --> 00:15:23,909 And that's why I played hard like I 440 00:15:23,909 --> 00:15:25,970 did because I wanted them to see like, 441 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:28,170 hey, Shorty playing different than everybody, 442 00:15:28,170 --> 00:15:29,720 or he's playing harder. 443 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,220 Like, why is he playing harder? 444 00:15:31,220 --> 00:15:33,560 And that's the question I want them to ask. 445 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,440 And that probably honestly summarizes kind 446 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,980 of what you stand for in terms of the hard work, 447 00:15:38,980 --> 00:15:40,180 the redemption, the coming back. 448 00:15:40,180 --> 00:15:41,760 A lot of people would say some of these injuries, 449 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,159 if other players endure them, 450 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:45,600 they don't ever they may not play at all in the league. 451 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,960 You had such a long career even after that having highs. 452 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:49,919 And I think it talks 453 00:15:49,919 --> 00:15:51,039 to exactly what you're talking about, 454 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:53,240 just the collaboration and how important coaching is. 455 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,479 So, you know, as an evolution of that, 456 00:15:55,479 --> 00:15:58,300 I think I want to kind of look at 457 00:15:58,300 --> 00:16:02,179 now that mentality today here on out, 458 00:16:02,179 --> 00:16:03,240 this part of your career is 459 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:04,380 longer than your playing career. 460 00:16:04,380 --> 00:16:04,940 Yes, sir. 461 00:16:04,940 --> 00:16:07,360 You take that same determination, I would assume, 462 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:08,880 and you were just mentioning this to me off 463 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,580 camera instead of 1012 ideas, 464 00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:15,060 4 to 5 strong quality ideas that we can do successfully. 465 00:16:15,060 --> 00:16:15,500 Exactly. 466 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:16,760 And that's something you feel like you also 467 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,040 learned just thinking about your, 468 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,080 your playing career and taking 469 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,300 that into the business world. 470 00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:22,980 Yeah. Uh, thinking about quality over quantity. 471 00:16:22,980 --> 00:16:25,400 Yeah. Like it's the quality of things. 472 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,560 It's the opulence I told when Jabari asked me a word. 473 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,319 The word that fit is opulent, 474 00:16:30,319 --> 00:16:32,360 like everything I'm into. 475 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,500 I collect at a high level, I. 476 00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:36,700 The knowledge that I'm getting is at a high level. 477 00:16:36,700 --> 00:16:38,960 I want to do everything at a high level. 478 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,519 So I'm forcing myself to be uncomfortable, 479 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:44,800 to be able to be in positions like this. 480 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,160 By coming on here, 481 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,179 by talking to you all about business, 482 00:16:48,179 --> 00:16:50,979 by prepping myself to be able to talk about business 483 00:16:50,979 --> 00:16:54,159 and with me being comfortable in this lane, 484 00:16:54,159 --> 00:16:57,220 like I know that people really don't retire for real. 485 00:16:57,220 --> 00:16:58,460 It's like they get bored, 486 00:16:58,460 --> 00:16:59,840 then they find something else to do 487 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,820 or something else to intrigue them. 488 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:05,620 And for me, what's intriguing right now is, uh, 489 00:17:05,620 --> 00:17:09,699 the verticals that I was telling you about and once, um, 490 00:17:09,699 --> 00:17:11,480 like I got the flowers stuff on, 491 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,740 now I can add one at the end, like an add one. 492 00:17:14,740 --> 00:17:16,020 Once I get another one going, 493 00:17:16,020 --> 00:17:17,220 I can add another one. 494 00:17:17,220 --> 00:17:19,700 So like I said, being strategic and not, 495 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:21,420 not letting none slip through the cracks. 496 00:17:21,420 --> 00:17:24,339 So we have a segment called 497 00:17:24,339 --> 00:17:25,549 Final Lap presented by 498 00:17:25,549 --> 00:17:27,810 the Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One team. 499 00:17:27,810 --> 00:17:29,390 Yeah, we have some fan submitted questions. 500 00:17:29,390 --> 00:17:33,430 Get you out of here on. Any playoff 501 00:17:33,430 --> 00:17:35,030 series that sticks out in your mind 502 00:17:35,030 --> 00:17:36,750 that you won that going into it, 503 00:17:36,750 --> 00:17:38,309 you felt like you knew it was going to 504 00:17:38,309 --> 00:17:39,910 be tough rookie year. Yeah. 505 00:17:39,910 --> 00:17:40,990 So rookie year. 506 00:17:40,990 --> 00:17:44,450 So, uh playing against the champs. 507 00:17:44,450 --> 00:17:46,670 And uh, I didn't get the chance to play 508 00:17:46,670 --> 00:17:48,810 against uh, to that much. 509 00:17:48,810 --> 00:17:49,990 Tony Allen I grew up with 510 00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:51,870 his little brother. Shout out to T.A.. 511 00:17:51,870 --> 00:17:53,990 I didn't get a chance to play against him like that, 512 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:57,110 but going into that series was very scary. 513 00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:59,630 And when you got out on the other side of it, 514 00:17:59,630 --> 00:18:01,250 did you feel like 515 00:18:01,250 --> 00:18:02,990 like that might be the hardest thing 516 00:18:02,990 --> 00:18:04,230 that we went through this entire time? 517 00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:06,290 Because obviously they had 518 00:18:06,290 --> 00:18:08,610 an aura about them coming into that series. 519 00:18:08,610 --> 00:18:10,290 Your rookie year, you come out the gate. 520 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:14,450 No. After that, I kind of felt like I'm alright. 521 00:18:14,450 --> 00:18:15,390 Mhm. Okay. 522 00:18:15,390 --> 00:18:16,609 Yeah, it was one of those type 523 00:18:16,609 --> 00:18:17,790 of things where it was like, 524 00:18:17,790 --> 00:18:18,990 damn, I did all right. 525 00:18:18,990 --> 00:18:21,150 Like I thought that it was going to be 526 00:18:21,150 --> 00:18:23,770 the total opposite of what I 527 00:18:23,770 --> 00:18:25,849 expected and to know that 528 00:18:25,849 --> 00:18:28,630 we we challenge them. That's all I wanted. 529 00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:30,489 Okay. Okay. Now, in your prime, 530 00:18:30,489 --> 00:18:31,529 obviously you could say 531 00:18:31,529 --> 00:18:33,090 nobody really could do anything with you. 532 00:18:33,090 --> 00:18:34,250 But is there a tough defender, 533 00:18:34,250 --> 00:18:36,450 someone who you knew in your time, 534 00:18:36,450 --> 00:18:37,789 even in your prime, where, you know, 535 00:18:37,789 --> 00:18:39,750 going into the matchup, it would be a tough defender? 536 00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:41,250 It was teams. Yeah, it was like 537 00:18:41,250 --> 00:18:44,170 certain teams um LA with the twins. 538 00:18:44,170 --> 00:18:45,450 How they had big guys. 539 00:18:45,450 --> 00:18:46,850 They had um the Celtics. 540 00:18:46,850 --> 00:18:51,510 They had a great defense uh 76 ers back then. 541 00:18:51,510 --> 00:18:52,730 Had a great defense with 542 00:18:52,730 --> 00:18:54,350 Doug Collins and all that young team. 543 00:18:54,350 --> 00:18:55,730 Like I'm talking about older basketball. 544 00:18:55,730 --> 00:18:59,390 Yeah but really on guard people one on one in the league. 545 00:18:59,390 --> 00:19:00,750 You guard it with your team. 546 00:19:00,750 --> 00:19:01,230 Mhm. 547 00:19:01,230 --> 00:19:04,549 Yeah you got to do a team um defensive defensive scheme 548 00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:05,710 to stop great players. 549 00:19:05,710 --> 00:19:07,650 Now if you weren't 550 00:19:07,650 --> 00:19:09,990 drafted in oh eight but you were drafted 551 00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:12,490 2026 come into the league now do you 552 00:19:12,490 --> 00:19:13,849 think with the way the rules have changed 553 00:19:13,849 --> 00:19:15,330 is how the league has shifted? 554 00:19:15,330 --> 00:19:17,369 You could average even more. You could do even more 555 00:19:17,369 --> 00:19:19,870 because it was a bit rougher when you first came in. 556 00:19:19,870 --> 00:19:21,660 Yeah. In terms of fouling what they allowed. 557 00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:24,580 Now, you could argue that the points are up. 558 00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:26,560 Point guards are scoring a lot more. 559 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,200 Do you think you could average more, 560 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,380 kind of cook a little bit more than 561 00:19:29,380 --> 00:19:30,860 you did even when you came in? 562 00:19:30,860 --> 00:19:33,760 Yeah. Uh, yeah. 563 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,320 I mean, I don't know. 564 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,540 I don't know, to be honest. 565 00:19:37,540 --> 00:19:40,020 I don't know because now you got, like you said, 566 00:19:40,020 --> 00:19:43,480 the lane is open, but like now you have to shoot threes. 567 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,639 Now a certain amount of threes to be able 568 00:19:45,639 --> 00:19:48,220 to be considered a top guard now. 569 00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:53,160 So it's like do I want it's like what. 570 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,900 Yeah you got to choose like do I want to get 571 00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:58,779 the extra those extra ten points 572 00:19:58,779 --> 00:20:01,920 with layups or three shots. Three threes. 573 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,680 Yeah. You have Shai. He's he's not like 574 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,420 a dense ten threes a game player. He's consistent. 575 00:20:07,420 --> 00:20:08,500 Mid range jump. 576 00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:10,720 Right right. And your draft your top ten. 577 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,120 You obviously went one. 578 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:13,499 Your draft had Russell Westbrook and 579 00:20:13,499 --> 00:20:15,640 then DJ Augustin and OJ Mayo in it. 580 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,840 Michael Beasley Kevin Love like those. 581 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,900 That's a Huge mix of different kinds of players. 582 00:20:20,900 --> 00:20:23,180 A lot of them had longevity. Kevin Love obviously. 583 00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:24,040 Was still. 584 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,580 Playing. Yeah, yeah, he even retired. 585 00:20:25,580 --> 00:20:26,960 There was a lot of longevity and it's 586 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,860 very rare for a draft class. 587 00:20:28,860 --> 00:20:31,300 So final question, of course. 588 00:20:31,300 --> 00:20:34,180 When you look forward to the future and what D-rose is, 589 00:20:34,180 --> 00:20:36,199 empire and business kind of means, 590 00:20:36,199 --> 00:20:38,280 is there anything from a family standpoint, 591 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,319 when you look at your kids and you 592 00:20:39,319 --> 00:20:40,640 think about what you want to leave off to them, 593 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,079 that you think about when you think 594 00:20:42,079 --> 00:20:43,199 about what the future 595 00:20:43,199 --> 00:20:44,359 holds and how you want to train them, 596 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:45,660 whether they go into basketball, 597 00:20:45,660 --> 00:20:47,940 go go into the league or do anything else. 598 00:20:47,940 --> 00:20:48,980 Are they giving them everything? 599 00:20:48,980 --> 00:20:49,460 Everything. 600 00:20:49,460 --> 00:20:51,020 Yeah. Every thing. 601 00:20:51,020 --> 00:20:54,940 Every ounce of my, my living being, 602 00:20:54,940 --> 00:20:57,160 um, knowledge, whatever it is, 603 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,199 I'm giving them the resources to be able 604 00:20:59,199 --> 00:21:01,460 to enter or do whatever they want. 605 00:21:01,460 --> 00:21:03,280 Give them the liberation to 606 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,740 venture off and see what they're intrigued by. 607 00:21:05,740 --> 00:21:08,740 But, um, it's not my life. 608 00:21:08,740 --> 00:21:10,319 My job is to set up 609 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:12,220 the infrastructure for them to be able to 610 00:21:12,220 --> 00:21:16,520 pool or to work it inside of the economy that we build. 611 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:21,489 But, um, I feel like I have to make a gambit move in 612 00:21:21,489 --> 00:21:24,090 chess that's sacrificing a piece to be able 613 00:21:24,090 --> 00:21:26,850 to go ahead or put the family ahead. 614 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:28,689 And I feel like I'm that 615 00:21:28,689 --> 00:21:30,750 the piece that got to be sacrificed. 616 00:21:30,750 --> 00:21:34,809 So everything that I have from the collectors, 617 00:21:34,809 --> 00:21:38,670 from the books to the collection to whatever I get, 618 00:21:38,670 --> 00:21:42,490 my kids already know that it's theirs. That's heavy. 619 00:21:42,490 --> 00:21:44,849 That's heavy. Even the chess metaphor about that, 620 00:21:44,849 --> 00:21:47,009 that like what you do is for the betterment of 621 00:21:47,009 --> 00:21:49,670 everyone else in your family is, is significant. 622 00:21:49,670 --> 00:21:52,070 Thank you so much for taking the time with us today. 623 00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:55,710 No, seriously, go edition episode of The Winning Formula. 624 00:21:55,710 --> 00:21:56,869 Here, I'm going to say Go 625 00:21:56,869 --> 00:21:59,410 edition episode of winning Formula Memphis Legends. 626 00:21:59,410 --> 00:22:01,890 Okay, uh, Derrick Rose in the building. 627 00:22:01,890 --> 00:22:04,190 This was the winning formula presented by Nasdaq. 628 00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:07,530 Uh, and the Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula one team. 629 00:22:07,530 --> 00:22:08,710 I'm your host, Joel Kilani. 630 00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:10,770 We'll see you next time.