1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,087 (suspenseful music) 2 00:00:01,087 --> 00:00:03,900 - [Narrator] "Defense News," is proudly sponsored 3 00:00:03,900 --> 00:00:06,330 by Navy Federal Credit Union. 4 00:00:06,330 --> 00:00:08,880 If you're a member of our nation's Armed Forces, 5 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,120 the Department of Defense, or if your family is, 6 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:15,090 we'd be proud to serve you too. 7 00:00:15,090 --> 00:00:17,610 On this episode of "Defense News Weekly," 8 00:00:17,610 --> 00:00:21,180 we take an in-depth look at the hypersonics race. 9 00:00:21,180 --> 00:00:23,160 As global powers press forward 10 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,830 with a transformative military technology, 11 00:00:25,830 --> 00:00:28,560 we talk to an expert on where the US stands 12 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,930 in comparison to its rivals, 13 00:00:30,930 --> 00:00:33,270 what programs are working for the US 14 00:00:33,270 --> 00:00:35,160 both for offensive weapons 15 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:38,130 and defensive counter hypersonics. 16 00:00:38,130 --> 00:00:40,440 We learn about how the Pentagon is keeping pace 17 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,530 with the most advanced weaponry in a generation, 18 00:00:43,530 --> 00:00:47,310 plus an update from the defense contracting world. 19 00:00:47,310 --> 00:00:50,310 Join us for the latest in news and analysis 20 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:52,440 from the Pentagon to the platoon 21 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,445 here on "Defense News Weekly." 22 00:00:54,445 --> 00:00:57,445 (suspenseful music) 23 00:01:14,970 --> 00:01:17,430 Welcome back to "Defense News Weekly." 24 00:01:17,430 --> 00:01:20,700 Hypersonic weapons offer a fearsome prospect, 25 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:24,120 traveling at five times the speed of sound or more. 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,100 They can carry independent warheads 27 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:28,380 that travel on unpredictable paths, 28 00:01:28,380 --> 00:01:31,380 making them incredibly hard to defend against. 29 00:01:31,380 --> 00:01:34,020 Since their development, a race has been on 30 00:01:34,020 --> 00:01:37,980 between China, the US, and Russia to field the missiles 31 00:01:37,980 --> 00:01:40,980 and the systems capable of defeating them. 32 00:01:40,980 --> 00:01:43,387 To get a sense of where things stand now, 33 00:01:43,387 --> 00:01:47,143 "Defense News," Hope Seck sat down with Deborah James, 34 00:01:47,143 --> 00:01:49,980 a former secretary of the Air Force and member 35 00:01:49,980 --> 00:01:53,760 of the Atlantic Council's Hypersonic Capabilities Task Force 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,870 to talk about it. 37 00:01:54,870 --> 00:01:55,703 Have a look. 38 00:01:55,703 --> 00:01:56,536 (air whooshing) 39 00:01:56,536 --> 00:01:59,670 - Secretary James, thank you so much for being here today. 40 00:01:59,670 --> 00:02:01,050 - Thanks for having me, Hope. 41 00:02:01,050 --> 00:02:05,220 - So in October, the Hypersonics Task Force 42 00:02:05,220 --> 00:02:08,190 that you co-chair rolled out its final report 43 00:02:08,190 --> 00:02:10,140 and made a little bit of buzz in Washington. 44 00:02:10,140 --> 00:02:12,272 And there were recommendations 45 00:02:12,272 --> 00:02:15,810 specifically about surging efforts 46 00:02:15,810 --> 00:02:18,090 to field the first hypersonic systems 47 00:02:18,090 --> 00:02:22,200 and about establishing a munition czar 48 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,770 to oversee some of the work going forward. 49 00:02:25,770 --> 00:02:27,600 And it's been about two months since then, 50 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,060 so I wanted to ask what traction are you seeing 51 00:02:30,060 --> 00:02:31,710 on some of those recommendations? 52 00:02:31,710 --> 00:02:33,090 - Well, so far, so good Hope, 53 00:02:33,090 --> 00:02:35,040 but of course it's still early days. 54 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,160 So, what we have done since we rolled out the report 55 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,040 and made what I think are those critical recommendations, 56 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,880 we've briefed senior officials in the Pentagon about this. 57 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,100 And particularly, the notion of czar, 58 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:50,550 I think fits quite well with this administration's approach. 59 00:02:50,550 --> 00:02:52,860 They've done a czar for Golden Dome. 60 00:02:52,860 --> 00:02:54,450 They've done a czar for drones. 61 00:02:54,450 --> 00:02:56,610 And most recently, they've named 62 00:02:56,610 --> 00:02:59,700 Lieutenant General Dale White of the Air Force 63 00:02:59,700 --> 00:03:01,650 to be what they call a DRPM, 64 00:03:01,650 --> 00:03:05,070 a direct reporting program manager, which is czar-like, 65 00:03:05,070 --> 00:03:08,160 over some very important Air Force program. 66 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,260 So, we've briefed the our view 67 00:03:10,260 --> 00:03:13,530 of the importance of hypersonics and suggested a czar, 68 00:03:13,530 --> 00:03:16,230 as well as our other recommendations to the Pentagon. 69 00:03:16,230 --> 00:03:20,340 We've also extensively briefed key members of Congress. 70 00:03:20,340 --> 00:03:24,510 Among them, the co-chairs of the Hypersonics caucus 71 00:03:24,510 --> 00:03:28,620 in the House, Congressman Messmer and Norcross, 72 00:03:28,620 --> 00:03:30,210 very, very interested in the report. 73 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:32,400 They both sit on the House Armed Services Committee, 74 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:33,233 of course. 75 00:03:33,233 --> 00:03:36,870 So we're anxious to see the results of the NDAA, 76 00:03:36,870 --> 00:03:39,030 the National Defense Authorization Act, 77 00:03:39,030 --> 00:03:42,900 and also anxious to see what happens on funding. 78 00:03:42,900 --> 00:03:46,980 We do know that of course our call was for increased funding 79 00:03:46,980 --> 00:03:51,180 for these first generation of weapons to get them fielded 80 00:03:51,180 --> 00:03:52,020 at some level. 81 00:03:52,020 --> 00:03:53,850 We think we need to do it at scale, 82 00:03:53,850 --> 00:03:56,433 having many of these weapons in our inventory. 83 00:03:57,270 --> 00:03:58,950 And it is promising what we have seen, 84 00:03:58,950 --> 00:04:00,570 but we think Congress can do more. 85 00:04:00,570 --> 00:04:02,640 So, we're waiting to see what happens there. 86 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,620 - Well, I'm glad you brought up the NDAA. 87 00:04:04,620 --> 00:04:07,140 That's definitely the new news in town. 88 00:04:07,140 --> 00:04:10,860 We have at least the full agreed upon text of the bill. 89 00:04:10,860 --> 00:04:15,660 And first of all, there is some much heralded investment 90 00:04:15,660 --> 00:04:17,580 in hypersonics weapons program, 91 00:04:17,580 --> 00:04:19,071 so let's start with that. 92 00:04:19,071 --> 00:04:21,450 What are you seeing in the bill? 93 00:04:21,450 --> 00:04:25,020 Is the investment enough and what will it enable 94 00:04:25,020 --> 00:04:26,370 over the next year? 95 00:04:26,370 --> 00:04:28,110 - Well, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, 96 00:04:28,110 --> 00:04:29,820 and I have not yet read the full bill, 97 00:04:29,820 --> 00:04:32,100 but I believe there's about 3.9, 98 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:33,460 let's call it $4 billion 99 00:04:34,380 --> 00:04:37,980 for research and development of hypersonic weapons. 100 00:04:37,980 --> 00:04:42,510 Now that's good, but of course one of our calls to action 101 00:04:42,510 --> 00:04:44,760 in our report is that we need to move 102 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,650 beyond the research and development phase 103 00:04:46,650 --> 00:04:48,120 and get into production. 104 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,330 So, it's not clear to me within that budgetary framework 105 00:04:51,330 --> 00:04:55,140 how much of that could actually launch some of the weapons 106 00:04:55,140 --> 00:04:57,720 of today, which are ready for production. 107 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,120 At least as I understand it, they're close to being ready. 108 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,160 I'm talking about the HACM 109 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,990 and the Arrow in the Air Force. 110 00:05:03,990 --> 00:05:07,980 I'm talking about the Conventional Prompt Strike of the Navy 111 00:05:07,980 --> 00:05:09,900 and the Dark Eagle of the Army. 112 00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:12,210 I'm not clear on how much of that would be 113 00:05:12,210 --> 00:05:14,880 to actually produce and field some of those weapons. 114 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,890 I think the funding is a good start. 115 00:05:16,890 --> 00:05:18,600 I think Congress can do better 116 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,420 and I hope that if not this year, 117 00:05:21,420 --> 00:05:24,360 certainly in the following years, they will do so. 118 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,460 - What else do we need 119 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:27,960 to get some of these programs underway 120 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,700 and crucially, as you said, 121 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:31,410 to get them fielded in our arsenals, 122 00:05:31,410 --> 00:05:33,990 even if they're not like the perfect weapon system 123 00:05:33,990 --> 00:05:34,950 that we want down the road? 124 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:37,170 - Well, I think we certainly need, 125 00:05:37,170 --> 00:05:39,840 in addition to the enabling legislation 126 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:44,400 and a sense of urgency on the part of the Pentagon 127 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,160 to get this done, just as there's a sense of urgency 128 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,850 for Golden Dome and for drones as an example. 129 00:05:50,850 --> 00:05:51,870 In addition to that, 130 00:05:51,870 --> 00:05:55,020 we need a very close partnership with industry 131 00:05:55,020 --> 00:05:58,980 'cause after all, industry is who will produce these weapons 132 00:05:58,980 --> 00:06:02,430 and will be able to advance the state of the art for us. 133 00:06:02,430 --> 00:06:05,280 So, what does industry need to produce? 134 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:07,080 They need stable funding. 135 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,660 They need to know how much they will be able to deal with 136 00:06:09,660 --> 00:06:11,160 and over what period of time. 137 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,680 They need a signed contract. 138 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,950 Industry needs to embrace new techniques. 139 00:06:16,950 --> 00:06:19,950 Some parts of industry are doing that, others are slower, 140 00:06:19,950 --> 00:06:20,910 but new techniques 141 00:06:20,910 --> 00:06:23,880 like advanced manufacturing additive process. 142 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,020 They need to embrace things like open systems architectures. 143 00:06:28,020 --> 00:06:30,600 So that as weapons are produced, 144 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,060 they're not locked in to certain technology 145 00:06:33,060 --> 00:06:34,230 and certain software. 146 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:36,810 They can be upgraded more easily through the years. 147 00:06:36,810 --> 00:06:38,940 Government needs to also do some things. 148 00:06:38,940 --> 00:06:41,310 They need to be willing, 149 00:06:41,310 --> 00:06:43,680 as increasingly government has been, 150 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,660 to adopt commercial practices 151 00:06:45,660 --> 00:06:48,870 and invite in some commercial younger companies, 152 00:06:48,870 --> 00:06:51,090 where there's a lot of venture capital behind them. 153 00:06:51,090 --> 00:06:54,510 And that can be a source of helping to advance the ball, 154 00:06:54,510 --> 00:06:58,080 not just solely relying on taxpayer dollars. 155 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,797 I think we need to say to industry, 156 00:06:59,797 --> 00:07:01,800 "Look, this is what we want. 157 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,850 We want certain capability and we want it fast. 158 00:07:05,850 --> 00:07:07,500 Here's the timeframe we want it 159 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:09,570 and these are the behaviors we need from you. 160 00:07:09,570 --> 00:07:12,450 What incentives do you need to come from the government 161 00:07:12,450 --> 00:07:13,393 to make that happen?" 162 00:07:13,393 --> 00:07:16,046 So, that's some of what needs to happen next. 163 00:07:16,046 --> 00:07:17,010 (air whooshing) 164 00:07:17,010 --> 00:07:18,180 - [Narrator] When we come back, 165 00:07:18,180 --> 00:07:21,150 more from a top expert at the Atlantic Council 166 00:07:21,150 --> 00:07:24,150 on the US' hypersonic weapons efforts. 167 00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:25,245 Stay tuned. 168 00:07:25,245 --> 00:07:28,245 (suspenseful music) 169 00:07:31,852 --> 00:07:33,060 (air whooshing) 170 00:07:33,060 --> 00:07:35,790 Welcome back to "Defense News Weekly." 171 00:07:35,790 --> 00:07:37,200 Hypersonic weapons 172 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,330 are one of the most disruptive developments 173 00:07:39,330 --> 00:07:41,190 in military technology. 174 00:07:41,190 --> 00:07:43,980 For more on their impact in the defense sphere, 175 00:07:43,980 --> 00:07:46,590 we return to our talk with Deborah James, 176 00:07:46,590 --> 00:07:48,540 former Air Force Secretary 177 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:50,751 and an expert at the Atlantic Council. 178 00:07:50,751 --> 00:07:51,720 (air whooshing) 179 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:52,553 - As you mentioned, 180 00:07:52,553 --> 00:07:54,090 there are a number of programs out there, 181 00:07:54,090 --> 00:07:57,690 Dark Eagle, Arrow, Conventional Prompt Strike, HACM. 182 00:07:57,690 --> 00:08:00,540 Do you see some or one of the services 183 00:08:00,540 --> 00:08:03,540 as further down the road to the kind of conversations 184 00:08:03,540 --> 00:08:05,820 that you're mentioning and the kind of openness 185 00:08:05,820 --> 00:08:07,050 to collaborate with industry 186 00:08:07,050 --> 00:08:09,180 or some further along the road than others right now? 187 00:08:09,180 --> 00:08:11,970 - Well, of course, I'm most familiar with the Air Force 188 00:08:11,970 --> 00:08:15,521 and I do think that, you know, the Air Force 189 00:08:15,521 --> 00:08:18,420 is trying to collaborate more with industry. 190 00:08:18,420 --> 00:08:20,970 There's always the fine line that you walk. 191 00:08:20,970 --> 00:08:23,040 You have to be fair to all parties. 192 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,640 So it's not always an easy line to walk, 193 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,550 but I do believe both Arrow and HACM 194 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:31,860 have advanced the ball sufficiently, 195 00:08:31,860 --> 00:08:34,560 where they ought to be ready for production, 196 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:36,900 if not now, very, very soon. 197 00:08:36,900 --> 00:08:38,970 And so, this would be a perfect example 198 00:08:38,970 --> 00:08:41,370 of where the Air Force should be having 199 00:08:41,370 --> 00:08:43,350 those conversations with industry. 200 00:08:43,350 --> 00:08:46,920 - I really appreciate about this capabilities task force 201 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,710 that it's co-chaired by two former service secretaries, 202 00:08:49,710 --> 00:08:53,280 yourself and former Secretary of the Army, Ryan McCarthy. 203 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,070 You have so much benefit of perspective 204 00:08:56,070 --> 00:08:57,780 in the seat that you're sitting in. 205 00:08:57,780 --> 00:08:59,880 Can you look back 206 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,667 and share some lessons learned. 207 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:06,120 You know, if the services had to do it all over again, 208 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,650 what have you learned about jointness 209 00:09:07,650 --> 00:09:08,910 when it comes to these programs? 210 00:09:08,910 --> 00:09:11,250 What have we learned about execution 211 00:09:11,250 --> 00:09:13,394 and the order of steps? 212 00:09:13,394 --> 00:09:16,590 If there were do-overs to be had, 213 00:09:16,590 --> 00:09:17,490 what would you recommend? 214 00:09:17,490 --> 00:09:19,740 - Well, first of all, jointness is something 215 00:09:19,740 --> 00:09:22,920 that I think ever since Goldwater-Nichols 216 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,970 back in the 1980s is something that we have collectively, 217 00:09:26,970 --> 00:09:29,460 no matter what administration we've worked on, 218 00:09:29,460 --> 00:09:31,860 we've collectively tried to do better and better. 219 00:09:31,860 --> 00:09:35,790 And I think the level of jointness in today's military 220 00:09:35,790 --> 00:09:37,740 is at an all time high. 221 00:09:37,740 --> 00:09:40,860 And certainly Secretary of McCarthy and I came at it 222 00:09:40,860 --> 00:09:42,300 from that angle. 223 00:09:42,300 --> 00:09:43,590 It requires listening. 224 00:09:43,590 --> 00:09:45,720 It requires sometimes compromising 225 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,000 on some of what you wanna come out with, 226 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,320 some of the capabilities. 227 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,930 So, I do think jointness is at an all time high. 228 00:09:51,930 --> 00:09:54,270 The other lesson that we've collectively learned 229 00:09:54,270 --> 00:09:57,570 over the years, and this was certainly repeated 230 00:09:57,570 --> 00:09:59,430 in our recommendations 231 00:09:59,430 --> 00:10:02,640 and in the spirit of the work that we did together, 232 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,310 and that is that we need to get 233 00:10:05,310 --> 00:10:09,480 increasingly less burdensome on industry. 234 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,600 We need to remove as much of the red tape as possible. 235 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,120 We need to look to those commercial practices. 236 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,900 We need to simplify, because all of this will help 237 00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:22,260 both on the innovation front and on the speed front. 238 00:10:22,260 --> 00:10:24,330 And I do think this administration, 239 00:10:24,330 --> 00:10:26,190 like every previous administration, 240 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:28,980 is doubling down to try to get that done 241 00:10:28,980 --> 00:10:32,430 and to speed things up in the acquisition process generally. 242 00:10:32,430 --> 00:10:34,590 Now, they are really making large efforts 243 00:10:34,590 --> 00:10:36,180 and I applaud them for it. 244 00:10:36,180 --> 00:10:39,750 And certainly, we made it a point in our commission 245 00:10:39,750 --> 00:10:43,080 to go as quickly as we could to develop this report, 246 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,090 get it out there so that it could be timely 247 00:10:45,090 --> 00:10:47,100 for both Congress and the Pentagon, 248 00:10:47,100 --> 00:10:50,280 as well as to come up with actionable recommendations. 249 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,100 So that it hopefully won't sit on the shelf and gather dust, 250 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:54,690 but rather it'll make a difference 251 00:10:54,690 --> 00:10:56,820 to our country and to our defense. 252 00:10:56,820 --> 00:11:00,030 - You talked about simplification, always important. 253 00:11:00,030 --> 00:11:02,700 Are there moments you look back on in the programs 254 00:11:02,700 --> 00:11:05,864 as they developed where you could say with the benefit 255 00:11:05,864 --> 00:11:08,160 of the knowledge and perspective you have now, 256 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,600 we should have done this differently 257 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,800 or taken a more efficient path perhaps? 258 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,020 - Well, speaking of acquisition in general, 259 00:11:16,020 --> 00:11:19,710 I certainly would've wished we would've gotten the OTA, 260 00:11:19,710 --> 00:11:22,770 the other transaction authority religion 261 00:11:22,770 --> 00:11:27,360 earlier than we collectively did in the Pentagon. 262 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,060 That authority has been around for decades 263 00:11:30,060 --> 00:11:31,920 and it was used a little bit. 264 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,740 It's being used a lot more these days. 265 00:11:34,740 --> 00:11:36,870 So, that is certainly one lesson learned. 266 00:11:36,870 --> 00:11:38,550 The same with commercial practices. 267 00:11:38,550 --> 00:11:41,700 There have been the ability to use commercial practices 268 00:11:41,700 --> 00:11:45,030 and by in a more commercial way for years and years, 269 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:48,330 but collectively we have been slow to adopt it. 270 00:11:48,330 --> 00:11:50,160 Now, there's always reasons for this, Hope. 271 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,050 So if you go back in time 272 00:11:52,050 --> 00:11:54,570 and how did we get to where we are, 273 00:11:54,570 --> 00:11:56,970 there were concerns about competition. 274 00:11:56,970 --> 00:11:58,830 There were concerns about quality. 275 00:11:58,830 --> 00:12:01,680 There were concerns about scandals that were real. 276 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:03,240 And money was wasted 277 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,610 and there was waste, fraud, and abuse and so on. 278 00:12:05,610 --> 00:12:09,870 So, this is how the regulations and laws and so forth 279 00:12:09,870 --> 00:12:11,580 were built up over time. 280 00:12:11,580 --> 00:12:13,410 All started with good intention, 281 00:12:13,410 --> 00:12:15,990 all started for a particular reason, 282 00:12:15,990 --> 00:12:18,330 but the totality of the weight 283 00:12:18,330 --> 00:12:20,670 that those sorts of things brought upon the system 284 00:12:20,670 --> 00:12:21,960 just got to be too much. 285 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,570 And so for years now, we've been trying to strip it away. 286 00:12:24,570 --> 00:12:27,720 I wish we had done it more quickly. 287 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,630 - Something else that stood out to me about the report 288 00:12:30,630 --> 00:12:32,580 and its rollout was the conversation 289 00:12:32,580 --> 00:12:35,100 about how hypersonic weapons 290 00:12:35,100 --> 00:12:37,530 are the new strategic deterrent. 291 00:12:37,530 --> 00:12:39,510 There's sort of this perspective 292 00:12:39,510 --> 00:12:43,770 that we're not actually going to use our nuclear weapons. 293 00:12:43,770 --> 00:12:46,980 It makes it less of a credible deterrent 294 00:12:46,980 --> 00:12:51,980 just because of the weight and sort of catastrophe 295 00:12:52,170 --> 00:12:54,180 that that using them would be. 296 00:12:54,180 --> 00:12:57,207 Can you, again, this is sort of looking 297 00:12:57,207 --> 00:12:59,370 10, 15 years down the road 298 00:12:59,370 --> 00:13:03,090 as nations begin to acquire hypersonic weapons 299 00:13:03,090 --> 00:13:05,100 and build them up in their stockpiles, 300 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:08,580 how do you envision they will change warfare? 301 00:13:08,580 --> 00:13:11,241 What does it look as nations begin to acquire them 302 00:13:11,241 --> 00:13:13,620 and even to employ them? 303 00:13:13,620 --> 00:13:16,410 - Well, the definition of deterrence really, 304 00:13:16,410 --> 00:13:19,473 if you peel that back to its core, 305 00:13:21,270 --> 00:13:24,030 an adversary, a potential adversary 306 00:13:24,030 --> 00:13:28,350 has to believe that you have the capability 307 00:13:28,350 --> 00:13:32,700 and the political will to actually use certain weapons 308 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:33,600 against them. 309 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,190 And if they believe it, 310 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:38,340 they hopefully won't start a fight to begin with. 311 00:13:38,340 --> 00:13:41,463 So, that's the essence of deterrence. 312 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,800 So right now, we don't have a deterrent value 313 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,860 in our hypersonics capability, because our hypersonics 314 00:13:49,860 --> 00:13:52,920 have all been in the research and development phase. 315 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,540 They have not yet moved to production. 316 00:13:54,540 --> 00:13:58,110 So, we don't have any of these weapons fielded. 317 00:13:58,110 --> 00:14:01,860 We're hurt from a deterrent standpoint at this point 318 00:14:01,860 --> 00:14:02,940 because of that. 319 00:14:02,940 --> 00:14:04,410 I think we're also hurt 320 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:06,480 from a war fighting capability 321 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,060 the fact that we lack these weapons now. 322 00:14:09,060 --> 00:14:11,520 At present, our potential adversaries 323 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,390 can put our bases overseas, our allies, 324 00:14:15,390 --> 00:14:19,350 potentially even the homeland in some cases at risk 325 00:14:19,350 --> 00:14:21,480 because of course these weapons are fast. 326 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:22,740 They're lethal. 327 00:14:22,740 --> 00:14:25,350 They're very survivable, hard to shoot them down. 328 00:14:25,350 --> 00:14:29,760 And if launched against us, it would only give us minutes, 329 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,490 vice perhaps hours, to react. 330 00:14:32,490 --> 00:14:34,380 Meaning would we do a counterstrike? 331 00:14:34,380 --> 00:14:36,330 Well, you got minutes to figure it out. 332 00:14:36,330 --> 00:14:38,880 Could we possibly move out of the way? 333 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,950 Well, you've only got minutes to get it done, you see. 334 00:14:40,950 --> 00:14:44,160 So, it really does put us at a disadvantage. 335 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,250 To field them at scale in our country, 336 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:50,280 first of all would help us, God forbid we get into a fight 337 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,030 because those weapons would be able to be very useful 338 00:14:54,030 --> 00:14:58,140 in what's called the anti-access aerial denial environment. 339 00:14:58,140 --> 00:15:01,770 These very complex abilities and sensors and so on 340 00:15:01,770 --> 00:15:03,630 that could shoot down aircraft. 341 00:15:03,630 --> 00:15:06,720 China, Russia, other potential adversaries have those. 342 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,910 These weapons could break through. 343 00:15:08,910 --> 00:15:10,500 So, it would be very helpful 344 00:15:10,500 --> 00:15:13,620 in such a a warfare environment. 345 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:15,540 So for both a deterrent value 346 00:15:15,540 --> 00:15:19,080 and God forbid we get into war, we need these weapons. 347 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,630 We also need defense against these weapons. 348 00:15:21,630 --> 00:15:23,940 So, this plays into Golden Dome. 349 00:15:23,940 --> 00:15:25,860 This plays into our ability 350 00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:28,350 to be able to through cyber effects, 351 00:15:28,350 --> 00:15:29,940 through electronic warfare, 352 00:15:29,940 --> 00:15:34,800 defeat somebody else's hypersonic attacks against us. 353 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,520 Now, how will this change warfare in the future? 354 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,370 I think warfare will be forever evolving. 355 00:15:41,370 --> 00:15:43,830 It will never stand still. 356 00:15:43,830 --> 00:15:46,830 So, it's very hard to say 20 or 30 years from now, 357 00:15:46,830 --> 00:15:47,730 what will this do. 358 00:15:47,730 --> 00:15:50,250 I worry more about the near future. 359 00:15:50,250 --> 00:15:52,950 I worry more about the next five years. 360 00:15:52,950 --> 00:15:56,610 What can we myself, someone like myself 361 00:15:56,610 --> 00:15:59,310 who's been in the government who has certain knowledge, 362 00:15:59,310 --> 00:16:01,530 but I'm now on the outside, what can I do to try 363 00:16:01,530 --> 00:16:03,900 to still advance the ball in critical ways 364 00:16:03,900 --> 00:16:06,060 that will help our country, and our allies, 365 00:16:06,060 --> 00:16:09,780 and our mutual defense in the next five years, let's say. 366 00:16:09,780 --> 00:16:11,850 I'm gonna have to leave it to the next generation 367 00:16:11,850 --> 00:16:13,200 to worry about the next 30. 368 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:14,130 (air whooshing) 369 00:16:14,130 --> 00:16:16,470 - [Narrator] When we come back, it's time to start making 370 00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:19,230 those financial New Year's resolutions. 371 00:16:19,230 --> 00:16:20,910 Hear from our finance expert 372 00:16:20,910 --> 00:16:23,877 on planning to make the most of 2026. 373 00:16:23,877 --> 00:16:26,877 (suspenseful music) 374 00:16:30,478 --> 00:16:31,920 (air whooshing) 375 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,090 Welcome back. 376 00:16:33,090 --> 00:16:34,860 On this episode of Money Minutes, 377 00:16:34,860 --> 00:16:37,410 Jeanette Mack from Navy Federal Credit Union 378 00:16:37,410 --> 00:16:39,750 returns with tips on how to kickstart 379 00:16:39,750 --> 00:16:42,166 your financial goals in the coming new year. 380 00:16:42,166 --> 00:16:42,999 (air whooshing) 381 00:16:42,999 --> 00:16:45,750 - Solid financial footing starts with smart moves. 382 00:16:45,750 --> 00:16:48,360 Let's make next year your year to thrive. 383 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,070 Planning for some big life changes, 384 00:16:50,070 --> 00:16:52,860 a new job, a new home, or a growing family? 385 00:16:52,860 --> 00:16:55,560 Update your goals and plans to match what's coming. 386 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:56,970 Now, review your savings. 387 00:16:56,970 --> 00:16:59,010 Can you cover three to six months of expenses 388 00:16:59,010 --> 00:17:00,750 if life throws you a curve ball? 389 00:17:00,750 --> 00:17:03,930 If not, make building an emergency fund your top priority. 390 00:17:03,930 --> 00:17:05,430 Treat it like a bill you pay yourself 391 00:17:05,430 --> 00:17:07,230 consistently every month. 392 00:17:07,230 --> 00:17:09,360 Set up an auto deposit to your checking account 393 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:11,040 and you won't have to think about it again 394 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,240 until you need it. 395 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:13,650 Next, tackle your debt. 396 00:17:13,650 --> 00:17:16,710 Look for ways to lower interest rates or refinance loans. 397 00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:19,170 Freeing up cash now means more room to save 398 00:17:19,170 --> 00:17:20,310 and invest later. 399 00:17:20,310 --> 00:17:21,900 And don't forget your future self. 400 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:24,300 Maximize your 401k, TSP, 401 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:26,610 or other retirement plan contributions. 402 00:17:26,610 --> 00:17:29,250 And maybe open an IRA for tax benefits. 403 00:17:29,250 --> 00:17:30,630 Also, make sure your insurance 404 00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:32,040 covers those who depend on you 405 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,260 and check that your investments still fit your goals 406 00:17:34,260 --> 00:17:35,640 and risk tolerance. 407 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,830 Finally, update your estate plan and will. 408 00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:40,080 Life changes fast, so keep your plans current. 409 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,030 And before making any big money moves, 410 00:17:42,030 --> 00:17:44,190 talk to a trusted financial advisor. 411 00:17:44,190 --> 00:17:46,920 This new year, leave bad money habits behind 412 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,140 and embrace smarter, more powerful moves. 413 00:17:49,140 --> 00:17:50,579 Now that's thriving. 414 00:17:50,579 --> 00:17:51,412 (air whooshing) 415 00:17:51,412 --> 00:17:52,380 - [Narrator] To get more coverage 416 00:17:52,380 --> 00:17:54,420 of military and defense topics, 417 00:17:54,420 --> 00:17:57,510 direct your secret space-based surveillance systems 418 00:17:57,510 --> 00:18:01,410 at militarytimes.com and 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(suspenseful music) 433 00:18:40,615 --> 00:18:41,790 (air whooshing) 434 00:18:41,790 --> 00:18:42,870 Welcome back. 435 00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:45,360 On this week's edition of Defense Dollars, 436 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:49,260 it's that most wonderful time of year, budget season. 437 00:18:49,260 --> 00:18:52,200 The latest version of Congress's Defense Funding Plan 438 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,040 is out. 439 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,160 So, we turn to our friends at "Cheddar," for an update. 440 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,060 Have a look 441 00:18:57,060 --> 00:18:57,893 (air whooshing) 442 00:18:57,893 --> 00:19:00,120 - Welcome to Defense Dollars, a weekly update 443 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:02,760 on the defense and aerospace markets around the world 444 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,220 and what is making the numbers move. 445 00:19:05,220 --> 00:19:06,300 Let's dive in. 446 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:07,830 Starting with some news here at home, 447 00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:09,900 Washington is making defense headlines. 448 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:13,470 Congress's compromised National Defense Authorization Act 449 00:19:13,470 --> 00:19:16,110 is calling for an increase in military spending, 450 00:19:16,110 --> 00:19:18,000 adding about $8 billion 451 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,360 above the Pentagon's fiscal 2026 request. 452 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:22,470 That brings the grand total 453 00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:27,090 for the 2026 budget to $900.6 billion. 454 00:19:27,090 --> 00:19:30,435 The bill includes 162 billion for procurement, 455 00:19:30,435 --> 00:19:33,600 146 billion for R&D, 456 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,050 291 billion for operations and maintenance, 457 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:41,100 and 234 billion for personnel and healthcare. 458 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:44,190 It funds several of President Donald Trump's key priorities, 459 00:19:44,190 --> 00:19:47,280 including the Golden Dome Missile Defense Program, 460 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,660 the Air Force's F-47 and Navy's F/A-XX fighters, 461 00:19:51,660 --> 00:19:56,040 the B-21 Raider, drone wingmen, submarines, and warships, 462 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,320 but it does not formally rename the Pentagon 463 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,610 as the War Department, which would require new legislation. 464 00:20:02,610 --> 00:20:07,320 The NDAA also authorizes more than $38 billion for aircraft, 465 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,390 26 billion for shipbuilding, 466 00:20:09,390 --> 00:20:12,420 and over 25 billion for critical munitions. 467 00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:15,510 It also approves 47 F-35s 468 00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:18,720 and directs the military to build a 90-day stockpile 469 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,830 of spare F-35 parts by the year 2028. 470 00:20:22,830 --> 00:20:25,590 The bill saves the Air Force's E-7 Wedgetail 471 00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:27,840 from cancellation, requires the service 472 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,070 to keep 103 A-10 Warthogs through 2026, 473 00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:34,354 and provides nearly $2.6 billion 474 00:20:34,354 --> 00:20:38,131 for the F-47 Next Gen fighter. 475 00:20:38,131 --> 00:20:39,090 (air whooshing) 476 00:20:39,090 --> 00:20:40,380 And from across the pond, 477 00:20:40,380 --> 00:20:42,870 General Dynamics is looking for some sure footing 478 00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:45,840 after one of its UK division's premier defense products 479 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,180 came under scrutiny as of late. 480 00:20:48,180 --> 00:20:49,830 The United Kingdom's Ministry of Defense 481 00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:51,360 announced earlier this month 482 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:52,920 it was launching an investigation 483 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,170 into what caused a number of crew members 484 00:20:55,170 --> 00:20:59,400 in its Ajax line of armored fighting vehicles to get ill 485 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,790 when operating the systems during a recent exercise. 486 00:21:02,790 --> 00:21:07,170 The Ajax line is made by General Dynamics Land Systems UK 487 00:21:07,170 --> 00:21:09,300 and features a family of armored systems 488 00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:11,910 in a total of six variants. 489 00:21:11,910 --> 00:21:14,520 Armored fighting vehicles are smaller than tanks 490 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,980 and the Ajax line is intended to do everything 491 00:21:16,980 --> 00:21:19,380 from reconnaissance to logistics support 492 00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:20,880 to intelligence gathering, 493 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,703 all while defending itself with high tech weapons. 494 00:21:24,540 --> 00:21:27,150 The British MOD said the troops presented problems 495 00:21:27,150 --> 00:21:29,970 related to noise and vibrations from their time 496 00:21:29,970 --> 00:21:32,520 in some of the vehicles and put an immediate hold 497 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:33,720 on using them. 498 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,520 This is not the first time the Ajax line 499 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,490 has dealt with vibration and similar issues, 500 00:21:38,490 --> 00:21:40,740 complicating the future for a set of systems 501 00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:43,740 intended to be a centerpiece for the British Army. 502 00:21:43,740 --> 00:21:46,710 The UK Minister of Defense said canceling the Ajax line 503 00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:48,390 was not out of the question 504 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:50,910 and all options were on the table for moving forward 505 00:21:50,910 --> 00:21:53,760 once the investigation was concluded. 506 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,850 General Dynamics was trending slightly lower in trading 507 00:21:56,850 --> 00:21:58,680 earlier this week following the news, 508 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,130 but is up more than 25% from the start of the year. 509 00:22:02,130 --> 00:22:06,150 GD reached a peak of about $353 a share 510 00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:09,812 and is now trading about $20 short of that high watermark. 511 00:22:09,812 --> 00:22:12,000 (faintly speaking) 512 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,740 And one more today before you go. 513 00:22:13,740 --> 00:22:16,050 Do you like mysterious military tech 514 00:22:16,050 --> 00:22:18,720 that can think for itself and prowls the skies 515 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,070 looking for enemies? 516 00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:21,720 Northrop Grumman last week unveiled 517 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,680 a new autonomous wingman program called Project Talent. 518 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,870 For those unfamiliar, autonomous wingmen 519 00:22:27,870 --> 00:22:30,690 are AI-powered aerial drones meant to fly 520 00:22:30,690 --> 00:22:34,530 with manned military aircraft to act as scouts, decoys, 521 00:22:34,530 --> 00:22:37,200 and added unmanned firepower. 522 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,930 Also called collaborative combat aircraft, 523 00:22:39,930 --> 00:22:41,580 the sleek high speed drones 524 00:22:41,580 --> 00:22:44,400 are a fixture of the Air Force's plan for the future 525 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,100 and the focus of a competition among arms makers 526 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,870 to become the supplier. 527 00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:50,820 Northrop had a previous entry 528 00:22:50,820 --> 00:22:52,620 in the autonomous wingman competition 529 00:22:52,620 --> 00:22:54,750 that was not pursued by the military, 530 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:57,900 but says Talent is cheaper and faster to build 531 00:22:57,900 --> 00:22:59,970 and worth another look. 532 00:22:59,970 --> 00:23:03,300 Northrop Grumman stock has been in the green in 2025, 533 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:06,360 up more than 17% since January. 534 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:09,030 And that wraps up your Defense Dollars for this week. 535 00:23:09,030 --> 00:23:11,148 Join us as always on cheddar.com 536 00:23:11,148 --> 00:23:14,831 and defensenews.com for more stories like these. 537 00:23:14,831 --> 00:23:15,664 (air whooshing) 538 00:23:15,664 --> 00:23:17,030 - [Narrator] Well, that's all the time we have 539 00:23:17,030 --> 00:23:18,330 in this episode. 540 00:23:18,330 --> 00:23:21,206 Thanks for joining us and we'll see you next week. 541 00:23:21,206 --> 00:23:24,206 (suspenseful music)