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With AI, it's shaping
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So for sports now, it's

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such a new thing and it
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So I said, you know,

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this is my opportunity
to grab the bull by

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its horn and kind of be

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the first person to
pioneer to do it.

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Welcome to another episode

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of Nasdaq's The Winning Formula,

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presented by the Mercedes AMG
Petronas Formula One team.

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I am your host, Joel Kilani,

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and we have a very special
guest today NBA champion,

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veteran and Web3 ambassador

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and enthusiast Tristan Thompson.

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Thank you so much for
being here with us.

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Thank you for having me.

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Absolutely. I want
to kind of start

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with you being a Web3
ambassador and an expert.

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What kind of sparked the
initial interest in the space?

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Does it have anything
to do with how you

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start to think
about your career,

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what you would do
outside of basketball?

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And like, where has that
brought you to today?

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Now being not just an expert,

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but someone that's speaking
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broadly at conferences
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Yeah, I know for me, you know,

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I've always been the
guy in the locker

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room being the elder statesman,

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always been about
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I think the reality of
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you get such a small time
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to be in a position
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And obviously, you
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knows horror stories
that happen in sports.

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So for me, it was
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kind of a onus to to
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but then be able to
pay it forward, right,

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to, to limit the amount
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go through with their family and

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kind of just walk
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But, um, understanding Web3
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that financial side of it,

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uh, is another form of finance.

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You know, I think that's
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And obviously, you
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what's going on with
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whether it's the, the genius,
uh, act being passed,

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the bat bill being
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a huge thing for our economy,

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but also for the Web3 space,

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migrating it into web2,

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which is our everyday life.

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If I'm gonna give
the advice, I got

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to know the full
spectrum, right?

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You can't give somebody advice,

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but only know half of it, right?

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You got to know the whole thing

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or don't say nothing at all.

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So for me, it's been
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ownership and ownership
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able to pay forward and kind

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of just give that
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to my peers and the
younger generation.

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What do you now see for
the outlook going forward,

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giving everything you've
learned already so far

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and what you're continuing
to kind of invest in.

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No, it's super exciting.
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especially in the space,
just because it's so new.

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I mean, I looked at a stat
yesterday only, you know,

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6.3% of humans actually

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own some form of digital
currency, right?

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So that just tells you how
early it still is, right?

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Even with the numbers
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saying and and all that,

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that means there's a
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and for this space to migrate.

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You know, I always look at being

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like the bridge, the gap, right?

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Even for myself and my career,

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I always play it back to sports.

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My role and my added value

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on a team with the Cavs was
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the gap between the players
and the coaches, right?

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Just because I have the years,

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I have the experience
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you know, won a
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at the highest level. I've
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different than in the
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in the in the Web3
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the gap from, you know,

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the Web3 to Web2 and migraine,

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because I think they
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hand and for, you know,

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our economy and our country
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from the from the
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that migration has to
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Another area of
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You know, beyond the
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in the world of like the
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your energy on in the off
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to be the chief content officer,

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uh, at AI as well.

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Can you kind of explain to
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but also be where you think
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uh, tracking and analysis for

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both the fan and teams is going?

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Being a basketball player, it's

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always had the builder's
mentality, right?

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You kind of work hard
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You work hard to get to college,

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work hard to get to the NBA.

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You know, you work hard to
win a championship, right?

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So it's no different
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uh, you know, ventures.

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Right. So for me,
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I wanted to build something

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that can relate
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which is obviously
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is the NBA and sports.

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So with Tracy AI, um,

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it's like we said,

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you know, having stats at
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but more advanced
analytics, right?

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You know, obviously anyone
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but those are just
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per game field goal percentage.

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But like let's take it
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Right? I think the reason

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why sports and live sports is so

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important to society
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entertainment is because
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Everybody wants to be in
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So how are we able to give

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that access to to
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where they feel like they
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that we're getting in terms
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And, you know, with AI,

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it's it's shaping
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whether it's Amazon hiring,

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using AI to hire people,

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whether it's AI
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such a new thing and it
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So I said, you know,

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this is my opportunity
to grab the bull by

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its horn and kind of be

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the first person to
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And let me ask you a question,
because you'd be uniquely,

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I think, positioned
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You obviously came in in

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the 2011 draft very
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And now it's grown
significantly in great ways.

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How, in your perspective,

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have you seen the idea of

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stat like stat analysis
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I think advanced
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the Daryl Morey school with

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the rockets of just like

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offense and pace like
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I don't think they
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Have you seen that
get incorporated

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to strategy tactics as a player.

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Now, compared to when you
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has it evolved tremendously?

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Yeah, most definitely.
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into the league,
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most stats are just, you know,

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points per game,
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But now it's more, you know,

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clutch type performance or
what are guys efficiency rate

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going left with guys that are
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Right. So easy example I
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understand I always like to tie

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it back to sports in a story.

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Anthony Edwards when he's

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going left driving to the
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He finishes 70% of the time
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But going right he's
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So those advanced
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knowing how guys
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better compared
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right hand or just knowing

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guys points per possession

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in different key
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Right. You know in
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Jalen Brunson is one
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the best clutch time players in

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our league because he's
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But his points per
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significantly in
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compared to the first
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Right. And those stats
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But having that at the palm

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of your hands for
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it just brings more
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and it grows the
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Mhm. And would you
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seen that like go into tactics.

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Now you were seeing
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directly into coaching play,

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making in-game adjustments

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like you're seeing these stats.

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Now get applied these
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Yeah most definitely. Even
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Right. Um, game six and seven

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when Indiana was guarding OKC
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Right. So the
analytics showed that,

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you know, when Shea is
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his points per
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rankings because I
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numbers I think for

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the average consumer it's
about where does it rank.

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So they can actually
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understand how good
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he's top three in the NBA,

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which means more
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he's being guarded one on
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So what you got to
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So coaching having those
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that will double
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else to beat them right.

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sports and AI being
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we'll AI maybe make
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maybe could it potentially

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maybe have less people
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a more reliable asset
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but also help fan engagement
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You know, just to think about
how these stats can also do

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something like AI be
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Like they can see all of

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these things in real time
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in almost the minds of a
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a floor general and
learn all those things.

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an evolution in
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and understanding of what you
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what you can do with your money,

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what it means to get
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Do you feel like now,
obviously you're a rookie in

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2011 and now you're
obviously a vet?

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Have you seen a change and

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a shift in the
right direction of

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understanding from even
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you see of financial literacy,

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what to do with their money?

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Are you seeing folks
think more about

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business ventures
and investing now,

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compared to when you
first came in the league?

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From being a rookie till now,

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I think guys have had more so of

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the business mentality off
the court and not just be,

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you know, the whole
narrative, the whole

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shut up and dribble mentality.

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I think unfortunately,

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the OGs and the
veterans before us,

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you know, they only knew
what they knew, right?

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And I think they were
also not given that

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that access to open

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their minds and
broaden their horizon.

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I think for us and the NBA has

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done such a good job providing

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these player programs where
guys are understanding

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when they do get that
second contract,

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what to do with it, right?

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Like put your money in a money
market and make, you know,

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between 4 and 4.5%?
Yeah, that's cool.

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But there's other avenues and
ventures where, you know,

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whether it's on the VC side

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or or getting an early start up.

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There's other ways to create

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that cushion where you
can make your money grow.

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Right? Because at
the end of the day,

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the reality of life is
never enough, right?

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So you want to feel like, how

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can I turn this into something

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else to just help the
generation, your family.

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Right. So I think
guys are having

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more of that business
mind mindset.

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And for me, you know,

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just just using what I've
went through in life and my

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experiences to help put

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it on the table and
challenge guys,

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I think it's more
of a challenge,

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guys, to want more.

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And, you know, I have teammates

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that ask me more about Web3 now

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and and the AI space

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because they understand
especially, you know,

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when you build this kind of
sweat equity and respect from

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your teammates and from an
organization perspective,

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they understand whatever you do

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or put your name behind is
going to be something good.

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So, um, for me,

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that's kind of been the mindset.

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I love that and it's it's
cool now to see, you know,

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you got a lot of your kind of

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publicity with all those
playoff runs with,

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with Brian, obviously, and
you were on TV and you were

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always seen as like the
young player at that time,

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but now you've like evolved
into like full vet,

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like now they're coming
to you for advice.

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It's like great to
see that progression.

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So on that subject, in
terms of longevity,

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was there a point in
time when you got

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in the league where you
were like, you know,

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I feel like at this moment

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I knew I was going to
be here for a while,

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because obviously as
soon as you get drafted,

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you know, it's a
blur of emotions

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and feelings and you have

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your practices and
your first games

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and maybe the games moving
really fast for you.

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Was there a moment where
you're like, okay,

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I'm getting used to the
game slowing down for me.

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I'm understanding my role.

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I'm understanding where
I'm most impactful,

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and now I can tell I can be here

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for a long time if I get
good at these things.

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Yeah, I think the
toughest thing for

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players is understanding
what their niche is, right.

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What's going to keep
you in NBA, right?

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Everyone from high
school to college.

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You're the man, right?
You're the best player

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in the McDonald's All-American.

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You're the best in
your your town,

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your state, all that stuff.

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Right. But when you
get to the NBA,

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the the problem that
guys run into is that

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they don't or they
can't figure out,

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how can I be a valuable asset to

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a team where I'm
not replaceable?

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And I think for myself,

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it was around my third
year in the league.

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I understood what
I was able to do.

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They weren't able to replicate.

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Right. So which for me was more

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so compete at the highest
level, you know, rebounding,

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being able to guard
one through five,

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being one of the smartest
guys on the court that knows

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everyone's positions
and know the game plan.

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Right. Because I think the
body can only do so much.

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But the mind is the
most powerful thing.

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And especially as guys get
older in their career,

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they realize that this
is what's going to

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keep them here for a long time.

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It doesn't give you
that longevity.

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So, you know, it's
my third year.

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And obviously with Bron
coming back to Cleveland,

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it um it kind of

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enhanced that because
at that at that point,

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you know you're playing
with the best player

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to ever play this game.

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You want to be part of

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his journey and legacy
to come help him,

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you know, fill out and kind
of get that championship.

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But he's always promised
to Northeast Ohio.

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So for me, that's when
it kind of clicked.

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And that's why I'm here,

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you know, 14 years in
and keeping it going,

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because I understand
who I am and

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the guys that kind
of fall short or,

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you know, don't get
as much as they

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think they should because
they haven't figured it out.

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So, you know, for me,

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as a veteran, I kind of just
help guys with that too.

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It's a fascinating
perspective because I

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always see fans talk about wow,

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like I just saw so and so

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summer league highlights
or high school highlights.

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And they were dropping
like 30 a game.

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And they're a defensive

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like it doesn't click to
them that this person was

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the best in their school or the

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best elsewhere like
they're Draymond Green.

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Highlights of him
dropping 30 in Summerlin.

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People are like why is
he only dropping eight?

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And they don't understand that
what you're talking about,

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it's a maturity of
around how can I

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best help the team regardless.

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And that's what's
going to keep me here.

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We'll go into our segment.

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It's called Final Lap,

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presented by the Mercedes AMG
Petronas Formula One team,

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where we ask fans
submitted questions.

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This is probably
one that's obvious,

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but there's a series that you

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overcame that you're
not sure how you won,

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but you did overcome
and you did win.

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Is there a series like that that

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burns in your mind,
a playoff series?

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I think I might know
which one it might be,

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but it's probably the
most legendary comeback

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of all time if it
is that series,

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what was the mentality as the
series was progressing and

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was the positivity
from the beginning to

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the end always there when you

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finally got to the mountaintop?

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Yeah, we have to do the
three one series comeback.

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I mean, I think it's probably
the best comebacks in

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NBA history till
this day, right?

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So I think for us going
into that series,

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we felt like we could win
right? At the end of the day.

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You know, Golden State was what,

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73 nine best record

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in regular season
record in NBA all time.

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But um, you know us
going down three one.

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It never really dawned on

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us that you know that

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we couldn't win the
series though, right?

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Obviously it's a tough
hurdle and you can't

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afford no mistakes now when
you're down three one.

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But for us I think it
brought us closer together.

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But I think the reason
why we were able to

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come back was how
close our team was,

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because we had a group
chat and literally,

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you know, Bron put
in there, he's like,

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yo, if you don't
think we can win,

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don't come on the plane.

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Like don't show up to work.
And that's some real,

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that's that's real, that's real.

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Because I think whenever
you leave home from work,

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everyone's going to be
in your ear and talk.

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You know, you have
your own crew and

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they're going to say
whatever they want to say.

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So, you know, for us,

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we knew like the only way we're
going to get through this

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and get to where we
need to get to and

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achieve our goal is from within.

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Right? Because we're the ones
going to be on the court.

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Put our blood, sweat and tears.

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You know, the front office can't

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help you. Coaches
can't help you.

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It's just on us as a players.

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And we understood that.

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And we kind of just
took that opportunity.

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And you know, granted,

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I think they poked the
bear a little bit with

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Bron and Kyrie with
their comments.

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Uh, with some of the players on

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Golden State to kind of wake up

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the Sleeping Giant and

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they kind of found
out the hard way.

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What made those teams so
challenging to begin with,

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those prime like Golden
State teams that,

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uh, obviously you went to battle

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with so much, was
it the movement?

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Was it the off ball movement?
Was it the coaching?

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Like what was the area that you

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felt like you overcame it but

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was most difficult that

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made them such a
challenging opponent?

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I mean, I think
Steph and Klay kind

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of revolutionized the game.

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I think the game goes through
different trends, right?

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Like the 90s was like
the big man era, right.

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You had your Pat Ewing,

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your Olajuwon, your
David Robinson.

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So it was just like
back to the basket.

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Right. And then the early 2000

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was kind of like, you know,

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your AI Steve Francis was just
guards but mid-range guys.

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Right? And I think with Steph

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and Klay they changed the game.

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Right. I mean, they
really made kids go from

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trying to dunk the ball to

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see how far they
can shoot threes.

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Right. So the way that
Golden State played

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was that they played
high paced basketball,

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but also they shot
a lot of threes.

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You know they were shooting
about 40 to 53 per game.

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At that time. That was crazy.

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That was crazy. Like think
about Reggie Miller.

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Like he only shot like
five threes a game.

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Steph and Klay would shoot
five threes each per quarter.

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Put that in perspective right.

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So you know they just
changed the game.

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But it was the
possessions right.

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And they were able
to shoot from deep.

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It wasn't just like they
could just make threes.

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They can make threes
from anywhere on

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the court I mean
listen when Steph

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gets to the half court people

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get nervous when
he shoots threes.

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Right. So um for us it

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was really trying to
slow the game down.

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And that's what we knew
our advantage was right.

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We couldn't shoot
as well as them,

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but we could guard and
slow the game down

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because we had our guys like

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LeBron who could score
in the half court.

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Kevin Love Kyrie
can score anywhere.

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So we slowed the
possession game down,

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which worked in our favor,

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00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,720
which limited them
amount of threes they

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can take and how
quick they can play.

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00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:08,480
Love that. And I mean it
worked in the end right.

507
00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,560
But so congratulations.

508
00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,480
And you mentioned
Bron greatest player

509
00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:12,540
of all time in your opinion.

510
00:15:12,540 --> 00:15:14,380
Do you have a top 3 or 4

511
00:15:14,380 --> 00:15:16,460
in your own head or not
really. Or is it like.

512
00:15:16,460 --> 00:15:19,000
No I have a top. Oh
I'm a top of all time.

513
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,680
Yeah, yeah. So I
have Bronn at one.

514
00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,020
Yeah I have uh MJD two.

515
00:15:23,020 --> 00:15:24,140
Yeah I have Colby.

516
00:15:24,140 --> 00:15:25,360
Uh you know God rest his soul.

517
00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,140
I have him at three and then my

518
00:15:27,140 --> 00:15:28,260
fourth you know and this is

519
00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:29,540
just probably
because my opinion.

520
00:15:29,540 --> 00:15:30,899
But I got Shaq right
I think Shaq's

521
00:15:30,899 --> 00:15:32,720
probably the most dominant.

522
00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,779
I mean think about
a guy shot 50% from

523
00:15:34,779 --> 00:15:37,660
the free throw line in top
five in scoring all time.

524
00:15:37,660 --> 00:15:39,780
That just shows you how
dominant he is, right?

525
00:15:39,780 --> 00:15:41,340
Like, it's like he left a lot of

526
00:15:41,340 --> 00:15:43,220
points on the board and
he says it himself.

527
00:15:43,220 --> 00:15:45,600
So it's like um, he just
couldn't be stopped.

528
00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,139
Do you feel like
Shaq was somebody

529
00:15:47,139 --> 00:15:48,620
when you were coming
up as a big man,

530
00:15:48,620 --> 00:15:50,139
that you actually
watched him and

531
00:15:50,139 --> 00:15:52,060
maybe saw and took notes from?

532
00:15:52,060 --> 00:15:53,480
It's like, oh, this is
someone who's dying

533
00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,040
because he's dominating
in the late 90s,

534
00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,179
2000, you would be growing
up and playing at that time,

535
00:15:57,179 --> 00:15:58,820
considering you were
drafted ten years later,

536
00:15:58,820 --> 00:16:00,220
is that someone that you
feel like you've modeled

537
00:16:00,220 --> 00:16:01,640
some of your game around
or was like, you know,

538
00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,299
this is a person that
as a big man that

539
00:16:03,299 --> 00:16:05,200
I would want to replicate
that dominance if I could.

540
00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,100
I mean, first of
all, let's be real.

541
00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:06,780
Thank God I had to play

542
00:16:06,780 --> 00:16:08,720
against him because it was huge.

543
00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,980
I mean, I wish I could
play against Shaq,

544
00:16:10,980 --> 00:16:12,240
but then I wish I
didn't have the garden.

545
00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,500
Right. So. Right. Okay. Um, no.

546
00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:15,059
But his dominance, me
growing up as a kid,

547
00:16:15,059 --> 00:16:16,700
like you always
wanted to be a force,

548
00:16:16,700 --> 00:16:18,199
especially me being a center and

549
00:16:18,199 --> 00:16:20,150
always being the biggest
guy on the team like.

550
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:23,370
You want to be like that
dog and that like that.

551
00:16:23,370 --> 00:16:24,850
That bull where no
one can mess with you

552
00:16:24,850 --> 00:16:26,490
and you kind of
protect the paint.

553
00:16:26,490 --> 00:16:28,530
Right? And Shaq did that
at the highest level.

554
00:16:28,530 --> 00:16:31,029
Um, so he definitely
kind of, you know,

555
00:16:31,029 --> 00:16:33,210
sparked in terms of
my hunger and just,

556
00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:35,250
you know, wanting to
just be that guy.

557
00:16:35,250 --> 00:16:36,830
When you come in the paint
you're going to feel this.

558
00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:38,010
Mhm. I love that.

559
00:16:38,010 --> 00:16:40,450
And so when you came
in to even after

560
00:16:40,450 --> 00:16:43,030
the toughest offensive
players you've had to

561
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:44,410
guard in your opinion it could

562
00:16:44,410 --> 00:16:45,949
be someone that's underrated,

563
00:16:45,949 --> 00:16:47,250
someone who wasn't maybe always

564
00:16:47,250 --> 00:16:49,090
an all star but someone
you were like, man,

565
00:16:49,090 --> 00:16:50,690
I can't predict the movement
or like they're good with

566
00:16:50,690 --> 00:16:52,410
either hand or whoever it is.

567
00:16:52,410 --> 00:16:54,829
Like, I can't like whether
it's a big body, like,

568
00:16:54,829 --> 00:16:55,929
are there folks that maybe

569
00:16:55,929 --> 00:16:57,550
underrated or not
that you felt like,

570
00:16:57,550 --> 00:16:59,450
you know, throughout my career
we had some good battles,

571
00:16:59,450 --> 00:17:00,550
but they gave me problems.

572
00:17:00,550 --> 00:17:02,130
Yeah. I mean, the
name of the game.

573
00:17:02,130 --> 00:17:03,450
And no one's expecting
me to say this because

574
00:17:03,450 --> 00:17:05,110
whenever I say it,
people are like, really?

575
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:06,890
It was Marc Gasol. He was like,

576
00:17:06,890 --> 00:17:09,070
I always tell Marc Gasol
with the Grizzlies.

577
00:17:09,070 --> 00:17:11,289
Yeah, he was like my
first three years I

578
00:17:11,289 --> 00:17:13,570
just couldn't figure it out
because he was seven foot.

579
00:17:13,570 --> 00:17:15,930
But he can also shoot it.
He could pass really well.

580
00:17:15,930 --> 00:17:17,450
But he was also really had

581
00:17:17,450 --> 00:17:19,010
really good footwork
in the post.

582
00:17:19,010 --> 00:17:20,090
So he always gave me fits.

583
00:17:20,090 --> 00:17:21,750
And it was like you know
people always ask like,

584
00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:23,250
what about like, you know,

585
00:17:23,250 --> 00:17:25,650
DeMarcus Cousins
and Z-bo and like,

586
00:17:25,650 --> 00:17:26,790
these guys are all
great and all stars.

587
00:17:26,790 --> 00:17:28,290
But it was like there's
something about Mark.

588
00:17:28,290 --> 00:17:29,670
The way he played would just

589
00:17:29,670 --> 00:17:31,490
always throw me off
because you know,

590
00:17:31,490 --> 00:17:33,590
I'm more of a, you know,
a physical defender.

591
00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:34,710
But I also have good footwork.

592
00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:36,150
Like in the NBA,
most guys that are

593
00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:37,990
physical defenders
can't move their feet.

594
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:39,470
But I can do both.
And that's kind of

595
00:17:39,470 --> 00:17:41,110
why I've been able
to play for so long,

596
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:43,510
because it's I have the
strength for the strong guys,

597
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:44,630
but I also can move my feet

598
00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:46,210
well enough for
the quicker bigs.

599
00:17:46,210 --> 00:17:47,310
Yeah, but for Mark,

600
00:17:47,310 --> 00:17:48,510
it just couldn't figure him out.

601
00:17:48,510 --> 00:17:52,150
He just had so much other
tricks in his trick bag.

602
00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:53,390
So it was just like a headache.

603
00:17:53,390 --> 00:17:55,250
But thank you know
thank God he was in

604
00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:56,990
the Western Conference
playing twice a year.

605
00:17:56,990 --> 00:17:57,930
So I was lucky.

606
00:17:57,930 --> 00:17:59,529
That's crazy. Well listen

607
00:17:59,529 --> 00:18:01,030
Tristan's been a
great conversation.

608
00:18:01,030 --> 00:18:02,250
Thank you so much.

609
00:18:02,250 --> 00:18:04,150
Uh, we'll definitely try
to talk to you soon.

610
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:05,890
Absolutely. Thank you
for joining us today.

611
00:18:05,890 --> 00:18:07,070
Appreciate it. Thanks
for having me on.

612
00:18:07,070 --> 00:18:09,509
Absolutely. So that
was another episode of

613
00:18:09,509 --> 00:18:11,269
the winning formula presented by

614
00:18:11,269 --> 00:18:13,710
the Mercedes AMG Petronas
Formula One team.

615
00:18:13,710 --> 00:18:15,130
I'm your host, Joel Kilani.

616
00:18:15,130 --> 00:18:17,430
We'll see you next time.