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- [Male Interviewer] Should men cry?

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- You know what? I cry.

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(laughs)

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But, I don't think anyone
has ever seen me cry

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per se, other than my Dad
when I was, you know, young,

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You know, you didn't spare the rod, so.

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- [Male Interviewer] Are
you familiar with the phrase

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boys will be boys?

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- [Man With Hat] Yes.

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- [Male Interviewer] What
does that mean to you

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and what does that mean generally?

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- Guys aren't gonna, act
mature and stuff like that.

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They're just gonna go ahead
and act like, you know, guys.

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- Fight with one another.

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- Excusing the bad behavior of men

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when they're really not boys; they're men.

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And they did something bad,

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and let's brush this under the carpet

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because boys will be boys, you know.

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- [Male Interviewer] What about the phrase

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toxic masculinity?

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- Just getting familiar with it.

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- The masculinity within
their own personality

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over washes everything
they do until the point

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that they're unaware that
they're being offensive.

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- Like when somebody does,
like some self-care things,

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they'll go ahead and be
like, oh, that's gay.

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And then it's like, being
called gay is, like,

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the comparison of you being more feminine.

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- [Male Interviewer] So, interestingly,

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the American Psychological Association,

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based on 40 years of research

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and 13 years developing these guidelines,

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has found that traditional masculinity

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isn't just bad for
women, but also for men.

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Men die younger; they take more risks;

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they're more likely to
be depressed and lonely

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as they get older.

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What's your reaction
to the APA saying that

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traditional masculinity
is actually harmful?

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- How do you take a dog that's bred

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for a thousand years to
protect and to watch a family

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and tell him that's toxic?

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That's all his DNA knows.

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- The way that women have been approaching

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these types of issues
with their body images,

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so now it's, like, our
turn to get on the train,

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or start questioning
all of these standards

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that have been pushed upon us.

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- [Male Interviewer] Do
you share your feelings?

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- Uh, yes, I do.

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- I have no filter.

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I will say what I feel.

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- Nah. That's, no- I don't think-

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I don't even wanna talk about it.

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That's the part that
I would have to admit.

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- [Male Interviewer] That's sad, right?

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- I don't really talk about my feelings.

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I would internalize it.

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- [Male Interviewer] We'd
love to get you to watch

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the Gillette ad and give
us your reactions to that.

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- [Male Announcer] You can't laugh it off.

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- Rawr.

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(crowd clapping)

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- [Male Host] Who's the Daddy?

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- What I actually think
that she's trying to say

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- [Male Interviewer] So
what's your reaction to that?

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- I don't think the whole ad is correct.

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A lot of it is.

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- Gillette indicating that,
hey men, don't be a dick

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to other guys and other people in general.

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It'd be a better world if
you weren't such a dick.

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- [Male Interviewer] Basically.

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- Men taking ownership of their behaviors.

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The anti-bullying, sticking up for those

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who are, maybe defenseless.

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- I feel that's all good to me.

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I don't see- I-I relate to
a lot of what was going on

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in that clip, so.

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- [Male Interviewer] Some
people who viewed the ad

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saw it as an attack on men

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and an attack on masculinity.

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- It may be controversial

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because no body likes
getting their ego checked.

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- I didn't feel it as
an attack to manhood,

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not really, and I mean, what is manhood

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if we're talking about it right now.

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- Some people don't have that
inclination to look inward.

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It's a lot of external stuff.

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It's a lot of blaming.

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It's a lot of finger pointing.

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- [Male Announcer] What does it mean to be

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masculine in 2019?

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- Learn to listen.

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(laughs)

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Nobody knows how to listen,

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and once you go ahead
and take a critique down,

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you can go ahead and grow from that.

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- Eliminate the, not aggressiveness,

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the violent aggressiveness,
the sexual aggressiveness.

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- I would say I would like
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specific roles for genders.

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- There's a whole lot more
power in loving your children,

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and being a loving, caring father

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than being a disciplinarian who, you know,

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spare the rod, spoil the child.

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I think that's utter horse shit.

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- To be, a show of who you are.

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Confident in who you are.

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Follow your heart.

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Not your head, not the group.

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