WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.900 Doing what the first movie that I went to the theater to see 00:00:03.900 --> 00:00:05.200 since before covid. 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:06.900 Where's my person? 00:00:06.900 --> 00:00:09.500 It's the only as my first and only time back to the theater 00:00:09.500 --> 00:00:14.200 at snuck out and when I went by myself to the Cedar and there 00:00:14.200 --> 00:00:16.400 was a beautiful experience in a beautiful performance 00:00:16.400 --> 00:00:20.600 as well. And will you were so great. 00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:22.000 And in Blade in Blade Runner. 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:24.700 Remember, what was your experience with the need? 00:00:24.700 --> 00:00:26.400 We do? 00:00:49.300 --> 00:00:49.800 Vernon. 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:54.800 How you doing, man? 00:00:54.800 --> 00:00:56.500 I'm good brother. 00:00:56.500 --> 00:00:58.100 Good too. Good to be here with you. 00:00:58.100 --> 00:01:02.400 I'm very excited to have all the people in the world that I could 00:01:02.400 --> 00:01:03.200 be speaking to him. 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:06.000 Happy will likewise and likewise. 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:09.300 We have a lot of seems like synchronicity with a lot of things, 00:01:09.300 --> 00:01:11.200 you know, if we do have a few things in common, 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:14.800 I didn't know where you were going to go with that but I believe 00:01:14.800 --> 00:01:18.700 we both live in Louisiana, Virginia. 00:01:18.700 --> 00:01:28.400 West e c. 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:29.600 I lived outside of DC. 00:01:29.600 --> 00:01:31.900 Virginia for the wild animals in Louisiana. 00:01:31.900 --> 00:01:44.700 I didn't know that and we both opened for Green Day. 00:01:51.600 --> 00:02:04.900 And it was crazy because by then the storm came out of nowhere. 00:02:04.900 --> 00:02:08.400 These winds that everything the stage is rocking, 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:12.800 and they shut the show down during our last song and then Green 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:14.000 Day, actually never played. 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:16.500 So technically, I don't know if I did open for Green Day, 00:02:16.500 --> 00:02:17.600 but we were on the same bill. 00:02:17.600 --> 00:02:21.100 I feel like even even even more of a technicality because 00:02:21.100 --> 00:02:22.900 we played at the same Festival. 00:02:22.900 --> 00:02:24.200 Not even on the same stage. 00:02:24.200 --> 00:02:29.000 We had plenty of those. 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:35.300 How did you balance your acting aspirations with the music? 00:02:35.300 --> 00:02:35.800 In those early days? 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:37.300 I can 9899. 00:02:37.300 --> 00:02:40.300 And as you kept you guys, kept pouring struggling 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:47.900 The acting to be honest, were you on stage as an actor before 00:02:47.900 --> 00:02:51.200 the first stages of musician and then an actor, 00:02:51.200 --> 00:02:53.400 I mean, I think it's like 5th and 6th grade. 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:55.700 I really got into planes and you doing. 00:02:55.700 --> 00:02:59.800 It was it was also really turbulent time at home with my parents, 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:06.500 divorcing. And, and so it just suddenly seemed like I was the 00:03:06.500 --> 00:03:10.900 rights as if as if you write a paragraph short story as a, 00:03:10.900 --> 00:03:15.800 as an animal on Noah's Ark and I wrote a musical that was like 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:21.500 20 pages and I brought it in and she's not my teacher. 00:03:21.500 --> 00:03:23.300 Mrs. Stuckey. I so remember, she was like, 00:03:23.300 --> 00:03:25.200 we're going to make this into a play and you're going to be the 00:03:25.200 --> 00:03:26.300 main character of the Platypus. 00:03:26.300 --> 00:03:29.600 And it was like a reluctant platypus that didn't he didn't 00:03:29.600 --> 00:03:30.100 want to go on. 00:03:30.100 --> 00:03:30.900 He didn't believe it. 00:03:30.900 --> 00:03:32.900 He didn't want to go on it. 00:03:32.900 --> 00:03:35.800 So, we did this play and that was really like the first got it 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:39.200 also play Ian written, and I was staring at it and let you know, 00:03:39.200 --> 00:03:40.400 it was, it was pretty amazing. 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:43.200 And then the next year, you know. 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:47.600 It was a weird Christian School where the players that we would 00:03:47.600 --> 00:03:49.600 do or like where you just going to get up and, 00:03:49.600 --> 00:03:52.100 and lip sync to a pre-existing track. 00:03:52.100 --> 00:03:56.800 That would be like Christian story song about the devil and Jesus 00:03:56.800 --> 00:03:59.300 battling and how having a boxing match in hell. 00:03:59.300 --> 00:04:02.700 And and I played The Devil in a scare, 00:04:02.700 --> 00:04:06.000 the teacher, and then my girl started being interested 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:07.000 in me. And I like, this is, 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:11.800 this is us calling the girls game running. 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:13.100 I mean, that's what it happened. 00:04:13.100 --> 00:04:15.700 And it as soon as I eat a couple days afterwards. 00:04:15.700 --> 00:04:17.800 When she saw that, I really wasn't the devil that didn't work 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:21.000 out. But anyway, that kind of started it. 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:22.900 And then once I got in the high school, 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:27.100 I I did a little bit of drama stuff in the beginning, 00:04:27.100 --> 00:04:30.000 but then I quickly moved over to music and I found this little 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.500 crew and we just heard of playing all the time. 00:04:32.500 --> 00:04:35.000 My dad was kind of play music, 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:39.100 his whole life and recorded music and made movies. 00:04:39.100 --> 00:04:41.800 So it'll just whole movies with us. 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:43.500 And so that I really got the bug from him. 00:04:43.500 --> 00:04:50.400 Do you approach any of your rules for breaking down a script 00:04:50.400 --> 00:04:51.100 of a character? 00:04:51.100 --> 00:04:56.000 Musically actually inform me more or like you know, 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:56.500 the work? 00:04:57.500 --> 00:05:01.600 FX that you are the habits that you make as an actor, 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:04.800 I think it's a really great place to learn how to work and work 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:06.700 hard and be really focused a movie set. 00:05:06.700 --> 00:05:08.800 I think is great training, ground us for life. 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:14.100 I think sometimes it's unreasonable for the rest of life, 00:05:14.100 --> 00:05:14.900 but it's certainly enough. 00:05:14.900 --> 00:05:17.400 People work really hard in the movies and I think there's 00:05:17.400 --> 00:05:23.200 this misconception that people in a movie sets are in tennis 00:05:23.200 --> 00:05:28.600 places to work, you know that the pressure is on every minute 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:32.200 is is very expensive and you have very limited time. 00:05:32.200 --> 00:05:36.700 So, you know, the things that I learned you knows if you work 00:05:36.700 --> 00:05:40.500 as an editor, I certainly going to learn about music music 00:05:40.500 --> 00:05:44.100 teaches you about editing, they both and meet you about acting 00:05:44.100 --> 00:05:51.000 Melody and the case of Paulo and how to do Chi and your other 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:55.700 voice is very Musical and I'm sure that looting melodious 00:05:55.700 --> 00:06:00.000 voice that kind of had a Really wide range and specific 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.200 register working as a singer for so many years. 00:06:03.200 --> 00:06:05.600 Sure that's top. 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:10.100 Need to be mindful about that and flexibility flexibility 00:06:10.100 --> 00:06:24.300 with an invoice, transform dirt in other parts, 00:06:24.300 --> 00:06:27.800 but but but the voice, I find a real to be an important 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:29.100 key into character. 00:06:29.700 --> 00:06:31.200 People who can make you cry. 00:06:40.400 --> 00:06:42.500 He's out of just the mock-ups. 00:06:42.500 --> 00:06:46.300 What strikes me a lot about your work is is your commitment 00:06:46.300 --> 00:06:48.900 to the transformational aspects of it. 00:06:48.900 --> 00:06:52.900 And sometimes it can be just a couple little things that, 00:06:52.900 --> 00:06:56.600 that, that move it away from from what I know you as a person 00:06:56.600 --> 00:06:58.700 and other things are are are much more, 00:06:58.700 --> 00:07:01.400 you know, much more about full body, 00:07:01.400 --> 00:07:03.400 commitment, phase, you know, all those kind of things. 00:07:03.400 --> 00:07:07.000 So yeah, I do find that way of working, 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:10.200 that kind of commitment, know what it is after I like to see 00:07:10.200 --> 00:07:11.300 people die for it. 00:07:11.300 --> 00:07:12.500 I really do. 00:07:12.500 --> 00:07:15.000 I like to see people bleed for it a bit, 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.300 whether you're a painter or a singer, 00:07:17.300 --> 00:07:19.100 or whatever it is. 00:07:19.100 --> 00:07:24.100 I love commitment, you know, and athletes than Adventure 00:07:24.100 --> 00:07:26.900 Outdoor Adventure, you know, mountaineering and do, 00:07:26.900 --> 00:07:31.600 you know, I think that kind of acting for me is if it's big 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:37.100 wall climbing. It's the Himalayas so to speak and their lot of 00:07:37.100 --> 00:07:38.900 different Pursuits that are beautiful, but for me, 00:07:38.900 --> 00:07:40.100 I love to watch other people. 00:07:40.400 --> 00:07:42.400 So, I was always been attracted to that. 00:07:43.700 --> 00:07:47.200 As I've gotten older, you know, I'm really just struck was this 00:07:47.200 --> 00:07:48.400 intense? 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:53.800 gratitude and humility that I 00:07:55.300 --> 00:07:57.400 You know, it's like a dream that you wake up in your, 00:07:57.400 --> 00:08:00.100 you're being asked to do these kind of things. 00:08:00.100 --> 00:08:02.300 Right? Could you find out if you fight? 00:08:02.300 --> 00:08:05.800 So long for these opportunities than while people are coming 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:11.800 to you to solve difficult problems, and I am excited that I wouldn't 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:13.100 be acting anymore. 00:08:13.100 --> 00:08:17.300 Is that why you gravitated towards Polo? 00:08:18.900 --> 00:08:19.700 Yeah, I think so. 00:08:19.700 --> 00:08:23.800 When I read the script I just fell in love with the character. I 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:26.000 think, when I called Ridley, if everyone was like, 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:27.200 what the hell are you talkin about? 00:08:27.200 --> 00:08:30.400 You know, I didn't know what he looks like and I didn't really 00:08:30.400 --> 00:08:33.500 care. That was an important time. 00:08:33.500 --> 00:08:36.800 I just was struck by his heart and his humor. 00:08:36.800 --> 00:08:39.200 I love to be. 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:41.900 No, he, he, he, he had an impish quality about, 00:08:41.900 --> 00:08:47.000 you know, there's some Christmas spirit that I really related 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:51.000 to like this desire to make something special and to share 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:52.100 that with the world. 00:08:52.100 --> 00:08:55.600 And of course, we all know a lot about failure as well. 00:08:55.600 --> 00:09:08.700 People love to talk about the success and I really was attracted 00:09:08.700 --> 00:09:09.000 to this. 00:09:10.300 --> 00:09:13.500 This role, for all those reasons, such a heartbreaking 00:09:13.500 --> 00:09:16.400 scene that one with Jeremy Irons when he comes in and, 00:09:16.400 --> 00:09:20.800 you know, shows all of his drawings and his designs. 00:09:20.800 --> 00:09:25.500 And there's so much joy and excitement in the end of the Heartbreak, 00:09:25.500 --> 00:09:26.100 that happens to me. 00:09:26.100 --> 00:09:27.400 It really feels like it's a character. 00:09:27.400 --> 00:09:29.100 That's just trying to climb a greased, 00:09:29.100 --> 00:09:30.000 pole the whole time. 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.600 That's a good way to put it and I mean, that 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:36.500 really is exactly what his wife was liking. 00:09:36.500 --> 00:09:42.400 The people closest to him were the the very same people who never 00:09:42.400 --> 00:09:45.800 heard him. Never supported him is his family. 00:09:45.800 --> 00:09:48.500 And I remember that seem like we did. 00:09:48.500 --> 00:09:49.200 It was wild. 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:50.500 It was my first scene. 00:09:50.500 --> 00:09:53.900 Of course, I'd love to Jeremy Irons as it's just a legend. 00:09:53.900 --> 00:09:58.800 I don't know if you're bored out of my foot and I was literally 00:09:58.800 --> 00:10:01.100 and figuratively shitting my pants. 00:10:02.100 --> 00:10:04.300 You know, I can't imagine what kind of diaper, 00:10:04.300 --> 00:10:08.100 would wear, but it was the first, 00:10:08.100 --> 00:10:09.500 you know, I was I was literally just, 00:10:09.500 --> 00:10:18.300 you know, everyone was kind of seeing this for the first time 00:10:18.300 --> 00:10:21.300 and you know, it was a sick sighting and it was horrifying 00:10:21.300 --> 00:10:23.300 and it was all of those things. 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:38.000 But I remember two things seen the drawings that I laid out and I 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:39.400 said, wow, they're actually pretty good. 00:10:39.400 --> 00:10:42.200 So who made it much more heartbreaking? 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.400 When we left, when I laid all these things out people and we've 00:10:45.400 --> 00:10:47.300 worked on this stuff and I was like, 00:10:47.300 --> 00:10:49.100 this is this work is pretty good. 00:10:49.100 --> 00:10:52.400 There's no reason that he should be shamed like this and then 00:10:52.400 --> 00:10:54.200 Ridley comes up and says that, you know, 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:57.500 your pecker out and piss all over this scarf. 00:10:57.500 --> 00:10:58.900 From that moment. 00:10:58.900 --> 00:11:04.900 We, you know, he'd given me this wonderful gift and it was the 00:11:04.900 --> 00:11:06.500 freedom to fail. 00:11:06.500 --> 00:11:10.600 Absolutely. And I love that. 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.700 You know, I want to be on the edge showing to be at that 00:11:13.700 --> 00:11:18.600 breaking point where I kind of question my own abilities 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:24.200 were tightrope. I love it and I love it. 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.900 So much. I was looking at your filmography need to get all the 00:11:33.900 --> 00:11:47.300 people a chance to work my friend when you working at In-N-Out 00:11:47.300 --> 00:11:49.500 is working with our heroes. 00:11:49.500 --> 00:11:56.200 Like Joe, one of the great Joys. 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:01.300 I've been having working with Denzel and Al and Ridley and I know 00:12:01.300 --> 00:12:04.300 you work a really two-bit could maybe tell me about those two 00:12:04.300 --> 00:12:06.100 things of it cuz I'm kind of fascinated. 00:12:06.100 --> 00:12:14.400 Yeah. I mean, I I've always been drawn to experiences 00:12:14.400 --> 00:12:20.600 that our way outside of my own and those tend to be the characters that 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.700 I get excited about as of kind of done more and more work. 00:12:24.700 --> 00:12:29.200 I feel like as opposed to it feeling outside of myself with 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:30.600 exciting is finding. 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:36.700 Something that seems so far away and finding it that it exists. 00:12:36.700 --> 00:12:41.000 Somehow you might imagine to experience that I bridge that that 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:45.400 Gap. And I think for me, that's really the exciting bit as I see 00:12:45.400 --> 00:12:48.500 that Gap, clothes, and clothes and clothes and suddenly 00:12:48.500 --> 00:12:51.500 feeling like I'm living a life even for just a few months 00:12:51.500 --> 00:12:55.800 of an experience that was before completely unknown to me, 00:12:55.800 --> 00:12:59.500 but suddenly now exists, think that's a really magical thing 00:12:59.500 --> 00:13:01.500 that happens. And sometimes it like you said, 00:13:01.500 --> 00:13:06.200 it can be, it can just be the voice being placed in a different 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:09.200 place. You know, you hear this, this character is a bit more 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:12.300 in the face nasal and suddenly, it drops here to the chest. 00:13:12.300 --> 00:13:17.100 And that difference, you know, creates a whole new chain reaction 00:13:17.100 --> 00:13:19.300 of differences. In the way you move, 00:13:19.300 --> 00:13:21.800 in the way you hold your chin and your shoulders. 00:13:21.800 --> 00:13:25.700 And, and for me, it's not even communicative cuz it's not trying 00:13:25.700 --> 00:13:28.600 to communicate that to an audience sees that necessarily, 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:31.000 but it's an expressive form in. 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:34.400 Trader film learning a new way of penmanship. 00:13:34.400 --> 00:13:36.700 I didn't really know how to write in cursive, 00:13:36.700 --> 00:13:40.000 but I felt the character would write in cursive because it's 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:44.100 about control and not that anyone would know that I didn't 00:13:44.100 --> 00:13:46.900 act Oscar doesn't write that way, but for me, 00:13:46.900 --> 00:13:52.700 it just, you know, the idea of staying making a big change 00:13:52.700 --> 00:13:55.600 or me. I just did something where I had to, 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:58.200 I was an English, the characters English, 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:02.100 and I stayed in the accent, really, 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:07.400 it was just too to not let the character leave me too much. 00:14:07.400 --> 00:14:10.900 And so that I always felt comfortable even having a normal 00:14:10.900 --> 00:14:15.500 conversation and no energy was going to putting it on, 00:14:15.500 --> 00:14:17.100 you know, it was just already there, 00:14:17.100 --> 00:14:22.100 so that there wasn't a big difference between a normal life 00:14:22.100 --> 00:14:24.300 and action, so that there was just a flow. 00:14:24.300 --> 00:14:28.600 So yeah, that that's something that I'm looking at a lot more 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:30.500 is slow. So I talked to her, 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:33.100 Paul Schrader before, I mean, what, what a, 00:14:33.100 --> 00:14:36.500 what a genius and an incredible unique voice. 00:14:36.500 --> 00:14:38.900 Did you read that script and say hello on the, 00:14:38.900 --> 00:14:39.700 I have to play this. 00:14:39.700 --> 00:14:41.200 What was the thing about it? 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:46.800 That really attracted you to this to this the role of the first 00:14:46.800 --> 00:14:48.600 editions I ever had was for Paul Schrader. 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.300 When I got another drama school was in like a little strip 00:14:51.300 --> 00:14:55.400 mall and the valley somewhere and little black box theater. 00:14:55.400 --> 00:15:00.200 It was for a movie called The Jesuit that never ended up happening 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:01.100 that I have gotten the part. 00:15:01.100 --> 00:15:04.800 That's the first time I had met Paul and I got the role. 00:15:04.800 --> 00:15:07.500 I remember, it was like, at a black box theater on a stage, 00:15:07.500 --> 00:15:08.200 and he was in the audience. 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:10.000 And, you know, there was a little bit like, 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.100 of a setup and the obviously they have cameras, 00:15:12.100 --> 00:15:14.100 but it felt much more like a theater audition. 00:15:14.100 --> 00:15:18.600 And, and I've gotten the role and then he had sent me the DVD 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:21.300 of all the additions, which was a good thing. 00:15:21.300 --> 00:15:25.100 I'm not sure why I asked you recently, 00:15:25.100 --> 00:15:30.000 that must have been a mistake, but then the movie 00:15:31.100 --> 00:15:34.600 And we kind of stayed in touch and then when I saw first reformed, 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:35.900 I just wrote to him to tell him how, 00:15:35.900 --> 00:15:39.000 how amazing? I thought it wasn't just what it, 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:43.100 What a Beautiful film and then a year later you sent me an email 00:15:43.100 --> 00:15:45.900 saying. I wrote a script for you but not for you. 00:15:45.900 --> 00:15:49.600 But you're the first person I'm going to and it is like what 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:53.800 you think? What you take a look and I immediately read it and 00:15:53.800 --> 00:15:55.300 I didn't totally understand it. 00:15:55.300 --> 00:15:56.200 The first time I read it. 00:15:56.200 --> 00:16:00.800 I didn't really get it cuz it was so much in a few right 00:16:00.800 --> 00:16:03.700 almost in the Harold Pinter kind of way there. 00:16:03.700 --> 00:16:06.300 So many pauses are so much space in between the lines. 00:16:06.300 --> 00:16:10.000 You, you write a lot of unconscious flow. 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:11.400 So I didn't understand it. 00:16:11.400 --> 00:16:13.300 But I knew I needed to do it and I know I wanted to 00:16:13.300 --> 00:16:15.800 do it and it felt like it has been a while since I had 00:16:15.800 --> 00:16:19.600 done something. That was so point-of-view character study of the 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:23.100 tiny little Movie 3 million box, basically, 00:16:23.100 --> 00:16:27.600 in Biloxi for 20 days, and I committed to it and Spence. 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:33.000 Met with cardistry experts just so I could look like I had I knew 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:37.000 my way around the deck and did a lot of research on trauma 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:41.300 and then went to my drama school with one of my, 00:16:41.300 --> 00:16:45.500 my old teachers Moni Hakeem who's been there since the beginning 00:16:45.500 --> 00:16:49.700 of Juilliard movement, Israeli movement, teacher, and we just 00:16:49.700 --> 00:16:53.600 worked with like neutral masks and movement. 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:54.300 What is it? 00:16:54.300 --> 00:16:55.900 What's a neutral mask? 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:00.000 Play some music, the blank mask that has no expression 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:05.700 on it, because it felt like this is guy that wears a mask and 00:17:05.700 --> 00:17:07.900 specially when you're playing poker, when you're at a table, 00:17:07.900 --> 00:17:09.600 someone that doesn't want to be seen. 00:17:09.600 --> 00:17:12.000 So if you take away the face, 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:21.300 what other things can you express with you. 00:17:21.300 --> 00:17:23.700 It was just it felt like a like you said, 00:17:23.700 --> 00:17:31.000 a fully immersive experience as far as the PTSD part of it all. 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:35.100 Tell me about what that was like going to be in that place. 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:39.400 Yeah, one of the books did Paul mention was the body keeps 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:45.500 the score for the Seminole writing on on post-traumatic 00:17:45.500 --> 00:17:49.400 stress disorder. And so that was, that was a big point of reference 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:54.100 for us and just eat the unusual story. 00:17:54.100 --> 00:17:57.900 That it's about someone that has trauma because of the pain. 00:17:57.900 --> 00:17:58.900 He inflicted on others. 00:18:07.800 --> 00:18:09.300 your father, understood that 00:18:11.800 --> 00:18:15.600 If you were there, you can understand and then the national 00:18:15.600 --> 00:18:17.100 trauma, you know, it's you, that's what, 00:18:17.100 --> 00:18:18.600 that's what Paul is amazing. 00:18:18.600 --> 00:18:22.500 At is grafting, a personal story on to a bigger one, 00:18:22.500 --> 00:18:25.400 you know, in first reformed, it was this man who is dying of a 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:29.100 disease on top of the world, that's dying of the sea. 00:18:29.100 --> 00:18:33.100 No environmental disease and in ours, it was, 00:18:33.100 --> 00:18:35.200 you know, a person's personal guilt. 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:40.000 Scrap it onto a nation's guilt for what they've caused to others. 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:44.900 So yeah, it was surprising an astounding and also, 00:18:44.900 --> 00:18:49.400 like you said working with these Legends be on a set with Paul 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:54.200 and only doing a couple takes, but he was such a master of the 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:56.900 craft, you know, something as little as you don't come over 00:18:56.900 --> 00:18:58.100 to look at a shot and he's like, 00:18:58.100 --> 00:19:00.000 no, no. No, that's not a movie. 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:01.500 That's our movie. 00:19:01.500 --> 00:19:04.600 Is the tilt of a camera angle, 00:19:04.600 --> 00:19:07.000 that kind of mastering was just the soundings. 00:19:11.700 --> 00:19:21.700 Just phenomenal. I mean I meant to be so natural and the be so 00:19:21.700 --> 00:19:24.400 brave with your subtlety. 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:25.600 I mean, I got that. 00:19:25.600 --> 00:19:31.200 That's a real art and something that I happen to be terrible 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:34.500 about at Tara terrible that I disagree. 00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:36.400 I remember you said that on the last one, 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:49.500 but I don't think I did a film called at eternity's gate Julian 00:19:49.500 --> 00:19:52.500 Schnabel film about van, Gogh, where I played Paul Gauguin. 00:19:52.500 --> 00:19:55.000 I came and shot for 3 or 4 days, 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.700 and and he came and did the same. 00:19:58.700 --> 00:20:00.900 So he shot on car counter for about 3 or 4 days. 00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:04.200 And he's exactly the same, whether he's the star of the film 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:07.400 on in every single shot or he's just coming in to do a little 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:10.900 bit. He's just as committed, he's just as lights and easy. 00:20:11.700 --> 00:20:20.000 Just like a consummate professional and and such and such an inspiration 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:24.400 and it actually is approach to things talk to him about that 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:27.100 has really changed the way I approach things. 00:20:29.900 --> 00:20:32.800 And end in your film continues. 00:20:32.800 --> 00:20:36.800 A tradition that was really impactful for me. 00:20:36.800 --> 00:20:39.200 And that's the tradition of the art movie. 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:43.200 I feel like he's in the arts film and when I was young and 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:48.200 even going to film school, I was a painter first and then I change 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:50.200 my major to 222 film. 00:20:52.300 --> 00:20:55.000 You know, I would just go to the Art House theater. 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:57.600 I don't even know if they have an insurer Angelica's there, 00:20:57.600 --> 00:21:00.600 whatever. But I didn't know if a young person would know what 00:21:00.600 --> 00:21:02.400 an art house theater is, you know, 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:08.100 where they are something, but it really was, 00:21:08.100 --> 00:21:08.900 that was my teacher. 00:21:08.900 --> 00:21:14.000 That was my boot camp was, was our films of the 60s, 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.500 70s and 80s mainly and into the early 90s, 00:21:17.500 --> 00:21:21.300 but I'm so glad that people are are still making some dough. 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:33.700 Where is the ecosystem of that kind of cultural of a bill making 00:21:33.700 --> 00:21:35.800 you write like that. 00:21:35.800 --> 00:21:37.500 Was another feeling being on set with them? 00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:40.500 If it felt subversive, punk rock, you know, 00:21:40.500 --> 00:21:43.900 it's really just as personal expression and he purposefully 00:21:43.900 --> 00:21:49.000 does things to frustrate the audience of times. 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:50.300 He's like, I know what you want here. 00:21:50.300 --> 00:21:52.300 I know what you want and I'm not going to give it to you 00:21:52.300 --> 00:21:54.100 and that's part of that part of this, 00:21:54.100 --> 00:21:56.600 the uncomfortable aspect of it. 00:21:56.600 --> 00:22:00.400 That's a necessary part of this story in the style of Storytelling, 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:03.900 but it's very, it's getting harder and harder these days. 00:22:03.900 --> 00:22:07.100 And luckily, I do think, you know, 00:22:07.100 --> 00:22:10.800 there is a lot of risk being taken in the streaming world. 00:22:10.800 --> 00:22:14.800 That is affording a lot of risk of meanings of them to talk 00:22:14.800 --> 00:22:18.200 about. Do you know, we're both the another sync synchronicity 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:20.300 synchronistic thing that's happening. 00:22:20.300 --> 00:22:24.800 Synchronize thing is we we jumped into the the world of the Marvel 00:22:24.800 --> 00:22:25.200 hero. 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.800 We both got these guys coming out that we did both starting 00:22:30.800 --> 00:22:31.400 with the letter M. 00:22:31.400 --> 00:22:41.800 Yeah, and I've never heard of moon out before I collect the comics, 00:22:41.800 --> 00:22:42.600 when I was younger. 00:22:42.600 --> 00:22:44.500 I'd hurt him or B, but I never heard of the night. 00:22:44.500 --> 00:22:47.200 But the fact that I don't know, 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:49.300 and I don't know how the process works for you because it's 00:22:49.300 --> 00:22:50.100 a feature film. 00:22:50.100 --> 00:22:51.900 We were a limited series. 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:57.200 There was a lot of room to try stuff because they're there 00:22:57.200 --> 00:23:00.100 wasn't the pressure that you know, we got to make sure we make 00:23:00.100 --> 00:23:02.800 however many millions of dollars hundreds of millions of dollars 00:23:02.800 --> 00:23:04.300 on the opening weekend. 00:23:04.300 --> 00:23:07.000 So we could try stuff. 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:09.200 We could, you know, make it very point of you. 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:12.300 We could meet, you know, they make very weird decisions. 00:23:12.300 --> 00:23:18.200 And and I think that that is at the moment at least and I 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:20.800 don't imagine it's going to go backwards at the moment. 00:23:20.800 --> 00:23:24.700 It feels like, that's where more than risk is being taken, 00:23:24.700 --> 00:23:30.000 because it can, you know, I agree, 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:43.300 it seems like there's a lot of talent in the midst of it and 00:23:43.300 --> 00:23:45.200 everything. It's kind of cool. 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:57.600 Theaters for the first time certain types of people and that. 00:23:57.600 --> 00:23:58.400 And that's a beautiful thing. 00:23:58.400 --> 00:23:59.400 I love Cinema. 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:00.000 I love theater. 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.200 But I also don't love the idea that you can create a people 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:07.800 can be flexible penalized for doing different kinds of work. 00:24:07.800 --> 00:24:10.900 I mean, you remember a time back in the day. 00:24:10.900 --> 00:24:12.900 If you did. 00:24:12.900 --> 00:24:17.900 It was either the beginning or the end of your career, 00:24:17.900 --> 00:24:31.300 right? Absolutely. My love is the cinema. 00:24:31.300 --> 00:24:36.600 Like I think there's something incredible about the craftsmanship. 00:24:36.600 --> 00:24:40.400 It takes to distill a story to a couple hours. 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:45.900 I'm going to give or take it and with a big beginning middle 00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:51.700 in the end, you know, there's something to me about the the distillation 00:24:51.700 --> 00:24:56.400 house powerful. That's hard to beat for me. 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:59.200 You know, where the movie like Dune. 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:02.000 That's a big celebration in both. 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:05.700 Wait, so I never said, yeah. 00:25:05.700 --> 00:25:08.100 Yeah. Yeah. That was the part. 00:25:08.100 --> 00:25:12.400 I went to the theater to see since before covid. 00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:21.500 I snuck snuck out and went went by myself in the theater 00:25:21.500 --> 00:25:24.300 and there was a beautiful experience in a beautiful performance 00:25:24.300 --> 00:25:26.800 as well. You have my resignation. 00:25:26.800 --> 00:25:28.900 He would deprive us of your talents at this time. 00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:34.300 I don't give a damn about your owner. 00:25:34.300 --> 00:25:35.900 You want Absolution go catch. 00:25:35.900 --> 00:25:41.300 Some spies are so great and and blade in Blade Runner. 00:25:41.300 --> 00:25:43.300 I mean and what was your experience? 00:25:43.300 --> 00:25:47.800 Would they know about them and you can you guys say a Duke Leto? 00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:02.700 Both the book and the first movie, 00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:06.800 a film. I thought it was, you know, 00:26:06.800 --> 00:26:11.200 the series 2. 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:13.900 I actually, when I got cash, I wrote to, 00:26:13.900 --> 00:26:16.200 to William Hurt, You know, cuz you to play people, 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:19.000 you know, and just got his Vibe on it, 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:23.300 and he's also just his mind has had so much to say, 00:26:23.300 --> 00:26:27.500 you know, gifted madman and Blade. 00:26:27.500 --> 00:26:29.900 Runner was really a special one. 00:26:29.900 --> 00:26:33.500 Again. I'm having these opportunities that I think it's just 00:26:33.500 --> 00:26:36.200 confirmation that we're living in a simulation because, 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:39.300 you know, I am a Blade Runner. 00:26:39.300 --> 00:26:42.100 One of my favorite movies of all time, 00:26:42.100 --> 00:26:45.800 Washington, seven hundred times at least and then I end up in, 00:26:45.800 --> 00:26:49.400 you know, the sequel very strange. 00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:54.100 And then, you know, these things is coming to play certain 00:26:54.100 --> 00:26:58.400 actors. That like Al Pacino for me was a purse. 00:26:58.500 --> 00:27:03.100 Really taught me what was possible taught me about commitment. 00:27:03.100 --> 00:27:06.600 Taught me about choices taught me about rain. 00:27:06.600 --> 00:27:10.200 Me about authenticity through his work over the years and with 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:10.800 power boots. 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:21.300 I really felt like it was the opportunity of a lifetime. 00:27:21.300 --> 00:27:23.700 For me. It was Paula was like, 00:27:23.700 --> 00:27:25.500 this is the last roll of never going to play. 00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:29.800 And I'm done the experience of getting on a set with Ridley, 00:27:29.800 --> 00:27:32.500 being there without working with Jeremy. 00:27:32.500 --> 00:27:34.000 And, of course, Lady Gaga. 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:39.200 And Adam Driver has phenomenal group of people, 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:43.300 you know, I wasn't going to be the person to squander that opportunity 00:27:43.300 --> 00:27:46.200 and show up in embarrass myself or others. 00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:50.500 And I, I really made a decision early on that. 00:27:50.500 --> 00:27:53.200 It was going to be, you know, 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:54.800 a task for me. 00:27:54.800 --> 00:27:57.400 It was there it was a vision quest for me. 00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:00.700 It was like it was like I was walking out to the desert for 00:28:00.700 --> 00:28:03.500 30 days, you know, with no food or water or something. 00:28:03.500 --> 00:28:07.600 It was it was a beautiful beautiful experience and also, 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:13.300 You're full of joy, like it was just that was in love with the 00:28:13.300 --> 00:28:17.200 role, the experience, the challenge that the Panic, 00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:20.100 the fear and just buried in all of it. 00:28:20.100 --> 00:28:22.800 And I ain't like that every time as we know, 00:28:22.800 --> 00:28:28.900 but they don't have their number one day. 00:28:28.900 --> 00:28:31.400 He just Unleashed didn't just gave it to me. 00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:33.300 You know, I gave me that, you know, 00:28:33.300 --> 00:28:46.700 that boy and I just purchased Nest at his way. 00:28:46.700 --> 00:28:52.500 He has a way of putting angles of word syllables in confidence 00:28:52.500 --> 00:28:57.400 and throwing about you like, like, like daggers and then I got 00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:01.700 the art in the brain and it's just what a, 00:29:01.700 --> 00:29:03.800 what a wonderful thing to work for these people. 00:29:03.800 --> 00:29:08.100 I mean, just just so blown away by it by that, 00:29:08.100 --> 00:29:10.800 you know, Like to work with Pacino would be. 00:29:10.800 --> 00:29:13.200 I mean, I would love that so much. 00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:19.600 I remember he came to Hamlet and I saw up there sitting up in the 00:29:19.600 --> 00:29:21.700 audience and, you know, if there's no, 00:29:21.700 --> 00:29:25.400 I didn't find them. 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.500 So I knew he was coming and and so in the way we did, 00:29:29.500 --> 00:29:31.400 it was very much like you talk to the people. 00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:33.900 And I see him up there and I couldn't resist. 00:29:33.900 --> 00:29:37.100 And, you know, cuz at the moment when Hamlet sees the ghost 00:29:37.100 --> 00:29:40.400 of his father, and I say, my father methinks, 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.900 I see my father and then I come back, 00:29:44.900 --> 00:29:47.800 and he's like, move, three rows behind and is wearing sunglasses 00:29:47.800 --> 00:29:48.400 now. 00:29:49.900 --> 00:29:59.200 Afterwards. We went out and talked and he even gave me like 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:02.800 some thoughts about stuff and how he would do the o with a rogue 00:30:02.800 --> 00:30:07.300 and peasant slave and you are someplace. 00:30:07.300 --> 00:30:11.400 I'd like to do, you know, I'd like to do the caretaker 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:12.000 by Harold Pinter. 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.900 I'd like to do Leon using the Winter's Tale, 00:30:14.900 --> 00:30:17.400 you know, I bet those are some and then there's just the right 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:18.200 there or what? 00:30:21.300 --> 00:30:23.600 It's just the writing is the plays, 00:30:23.600 --> 00:30:27.100 you know, I read those plays and it is just something visceral 00:30:27.100 --> 00:30:27.900 that happens to me. 00:30:27.900 --> 00:30:28.900 When I read them. 00:30:28.900 --> 00:30:32.100 Particularly. The Shakespeare's plays. 00:30:32.100 --> 00:30:35.600 It, just I ate like collapses time, 00:30:35.600 --> 00:30:38.700 you know, when I read something and it feels so immediate 00:30:38.700 --> 00:30:41.000 and so true and it's so old. 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.000 They it just feels like you're communing with something. 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:50.000 That's has it been outside of time ends. 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.500 And that's so it's like a magical chilling feeling. 00:30:52.500 --> 00:30:58.600 Do you have any interest in a theater or any such an incredible 00:30:58.600 --> 00:31:03.200 commitment in character for that long that I'm out here in the 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:06.200 middle of that saying like just take me out the back and put 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.000 me out of my misery a little bit, 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:11.100 but that's that's the that's like the Mount Everest climb, 00:31:11.100 --> 00:31:13.300 you know, I mean, that stuff they would handle it, 00:31:13.300 --> 00:31:17.000 was it felt like it felt like out in the wilderness for a very, very 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:18.100 long time, you know. 00:31:18.900 --> 00:31:21.800 I have a deep respect for that, 00:31:21.800 --> 00:31:22.500 and 00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.500 You know, it, it seems like something very daunting. 00:31:27.500 --> 00:31:33.400 But, but, you know, maybe I need to come see you in a play 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.300 and then I'll be getting motivated, like, 00:31:36.300 --> 00:31:38.500 anyone missing out on me, not being on a place. 00:31:38.500 --> 00:31:42.800 So, I know, man, I feel like you have a lot to offer, 00:31:42.800 --> 00:31:51.300 and if Meijer you're at your you're a Maverick, 00:31:51.300 --> 00:31:52.400 a rule breaker.