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Hello and welcome to useful idiots.

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I'm Katie Halper.

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This is a stupid Bay of Pigs is what they're calling.

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It's been 13 days 15 probably this population actually site.

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That's really interesting.

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It's the days calculator.

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You can pick any date in history and know how many days it's

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been since something happens.

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You know, that's really useful for

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what's that is before Kurt loder how many days it's been since

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the last supper or since you know the meeting with Stalin

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and Churchill end the movie Jumanji route was released so important

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to know discuss some recent developments that on a subject

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that is both near and dear to our hearts and some other things

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that are going on and we have a lot of it over so we

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might as well just dive into it I guess right now for food groups

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that Democrats suck Republicans such a horrible so I guess

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I'm start with the Democrats

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Isn't that terrible?

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Right exactly. These are the four food groups of news.

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And it's me to start write them in stock.

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I picked up something that was kind of obvious,

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which was City according to it leak by Barack Obama of the intimate

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chat that he had with some of his closest advisers.

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There was a leak to Michael isikoff.

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He was a reporter who is integral to the driving of the Russia

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get story and this is ridiculous on so many levels.

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So it was a new story in which it was revealed that Barack

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Obama was deeply upset about the disposition of the Michael

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Flynn case and read some of the language in this story in the

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Yahoo headline xclusive Obama says in private call in private

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call that quote rule of law is a Triscuit Michael Flynn case

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former President Barack Obama.

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The x members of his administration.

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Look at this.

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Is it a private call?

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This is it called that happened and was immediately leaked

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to Yahoo news and I'm going to go ahead and guess that it was

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done with the ascent of Barack Obama.

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So the premise that this was this is some kind of scoop Max is

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so transparent ridiculous in this case goes on and off repeatedly

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in the same chat a tape of which was obtained by Yahoo news.

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No, actually this was actually handed to you not Yahoo news

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and the fact that there is no precedent Obama's quote the fact

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that there is no precedent than anyone can find for someone

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who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free.

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That's the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried that

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basic not just institutional Norms.

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What are basic understanding of rule of law is that is that

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list is at risk and he's our quote Obama's quote unvarnished

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remarks, which feel pretty varnish to me,

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but whatever.

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I'm talking about the fact that was the justice department

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has dropped the slim case for reasons that again we're going

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to get into with with with Aaron but it's absurd on so many levels

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first weekend.

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If the premise that this is this is not a directly leaked

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thing. That was it was something that was so it is vertically

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drop to Yahoo news member, but the other thing is this idea

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that the dropping of a false statements case not a perjury

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case as he has he says that this is some kind of threat to

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the rule of law has he ever been to Washington archery happens

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routinely there is routinely excused and you can find it on both

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sides of the aisle let off constantly at just to pick a couple

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of examples that from both Republican and Democratic party

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Bill Clinton in the Monica Lewinsky case there were multiple

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issues perjury issues there there were multiple witness tampering

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issues there and this is something that even people who are left.

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Ardent supporters of Bill Clinton is not hard look back at the

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records and see what went on there in terms of the Bush Administration

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George W. Bush commuted scooter Libby's sentence.

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That was the perjury case and then my personal favorite

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and Dan if you could close pull this up.

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Is this Choice moment from testimony before the Senate by the

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CEO of Goldman Sachs.

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He didn't have a massive short against the housing market

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and we certainly did not get against our clients this company

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repeatedly in its own internal correspondence talked about

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having a big short.

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And this was this was there were multiple cases that were not

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pursued. It's just it's so it's absurd beyond belief to say that

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a false statements charge being dropped or not pursued as some

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kind of paradigm-shifting event in Washington.

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This is the city where people lie literally every time they

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open their mouth.

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And so often under oath and what we really get from the story of

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the is this is Barack Obama's extreme discomfort with the

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direction of this investigation and come on is he really liked

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the voice of God off camera?

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Like he he can't directly say something into to a reporter

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yet. He has to leak it out in this dramatic fashion.

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It just it's incredibly bad luck for a politician that I used

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to admire quite a lot.

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You know, it's been 4 years is he can actually speak on camera

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at this point.

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He doesn't have to speak to her if your surrogate anymore.

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I don't think so.

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You're saying he's the voice of God and Lloyd life is doing

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God's work. So there's a lot of a lot of men competing

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for that role.

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I guess a lot of candidates for the lead for the god role just

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in that one segment.

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Look for Barack Obama.

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He wants to be seen as being above it all like above The Fray

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Sticking a you getting involved in all in all these political

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situations and it is just disingenuous not to just do it directly.

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And then you just go on TV if you want.

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So I was going to do that man.

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I mean even his endorsement Biden was late in the game and follow

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them exactly a few Civ Republicans suck.

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We have Mike Pompeo going to Israel and basically,

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you know, giving the thumbs-up to the Israeli government's

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desire to Annex the West Bank and of course like this is one

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of those cases where Republicans suck a little bit more than

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gems. Like there are Dems who were posing as but they've

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already folded on this according to Mondoweiss.

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There was a letter that they were I guess I'm cheating cuz I'm

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going right to the Dem suck but the Republicans suck more.

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They're not opposing anything that the Israeli government

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is do it.

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Say that where is the dams are just folding on it and there

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is written a letter opposing the Israeli government proposed

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annexation of the West Bank, but it has since been modified

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first. They actually said the annexation could result in quotes to

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be a ramifications for end quote for Israel's relationship

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to the United States.

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The American people might begin to question the United States

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quote on Wave ring security system and quote for Israel and Democrats

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might conclude that is real no longer values of bipartisan

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support that Congress has provided for decades annexation

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would Fray are unique bongs and paralyzed real future and place

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Out Of Reach the bottom up twice,

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but now they're pulling it back but they've modified it has been

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card and of course said, I don't like to second-guess

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Israel's government decisions.

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Although I've been pretty critical of a lot of policies

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under the name Yahoo Prime ministership not true.

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People always loved it there at that.

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They've said that they've been critical of night.

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But they're not anyway.

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The point is they provide the letter they dropped that language

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but bring it back to the Republicans Pompeo either Christian

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Zionist to Belize in the end times. I

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assume and needs choose to go back to Israel where we can burn

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in all but like forty four of us can burn in Eternal damnation.

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So yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, I wrote a book about this in the Ender and I went to

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John hagee's Church for 6 months up until the moment where

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they face the final judgement.

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I mean, I'm assuming you have to renounce everything at the end

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of Lord Jesus kosher kosher communion wafer.

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All right, that's pretty bad.

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All right to that like people and got you know,

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they're not able to really practice social distancing

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in Gaza right now.

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So it's even worse than it usually is in the treatment

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of Palestinians. It's even worse than add the Badness to that

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like people and got you know, they're not able to freely practice

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social distancing in Gaza right now.

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So it's even worse than it usually is in these rally treatment

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of Palestinians. It's even worse than a list of social distancing

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for isn't that weird.

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I started spotting this online under headings like isn't this

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terrifying and then when I looked

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Legitimate news source that would result was reporting

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it. I found that CNN zebras is actually like this development

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quite a lot.

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So again, if we could look at the video just to set this up.

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This is a video of a robot designed by a firm called Boston

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Dynamics that is now being used in Singapore to walk around

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parks in tell people to get the hell away from each other and

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it's this creepy looking yellow robot.

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That's sort of mimics.

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The movements of a dog and CNN is saying this robot is Romani

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people to practice social distancing spot the robot dog broadcast a

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recorded safety message to nearby people.

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Then you hear a spot the robot dog telling people to stay the

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fuck away from each other at least one meter apart outfitted

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with cameras, but can also a spot on my calendar to people

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there are in the park cameras don't track or recognize

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specific individuals, and then there's sort of a cheater.

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Siri shot with the plug of Boston Dynamics.

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All right, so his name is spot.

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It's name is spot cuz it's cute.

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Right. It's like it's like a robot hello to spend the night

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healthy amount of time on YouTube.

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Boston Dynamics is like one of these things that it's like one of

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the first five things that you're introduced to when you smoke

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too much marijuana and spend time on YouTube like that.

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Hypothetically, right? Like if that was something that you were

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going to do you you might go on YouTube and look up Boston

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Dynamics robot videos because basically this company just loves to

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put on videos of its latest disturbing robot inventions

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that it so it always has like walking into warehouses

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in trying to fix things up and then it's it's developers

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are always hitting it with hockey sticks or kicking it down

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Hills and then it like kind of gets up again and staggers

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towards goal and it's basically

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Crying because what's bad about this particular thing is that

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this is this is the beginning I think of the moment when like

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robot police they're going to enter our lives and if and if nobody

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is afraid of what that's going to look like,

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I think we should all recall this particular scene from Robocop

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use your gun in a threatening manner.

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Worried though because in case that machine was able to spot

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the individual spot spot the dog wouldn't do that.

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So he would never do something like that to me like a little

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cute see yellow dog looking thing.

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But how long is it going to be before they have this massive

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ed-209 robotic law enforcement thing walking through neighborhoods

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in cities all over the world in twisting your head off if you

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don't put money in the parking meter or whatever.

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Like I just I feel like this is this is happening now to pandemic

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is accelerating all these set a dystopian fears.

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I don't know how you feel about that a little nervous or

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Which I love is like a puzzle to the last iteration of claymation

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feel like an electronic razor, but it's huge and it tells somebody

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to drop it drop his gun and he does but it just malfunctions

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assume that they're going to be the errors along those lines.

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At least they're not making it a cute dog.

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That would really scare me.

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Like if they made it look like my dog Bodi,

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I'd be really nervous.

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I'm not saying I'm not nervous about up robitaille's

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police state and the violation of civil liberties.

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I am I'm just saying it could be worse because if it were like

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a cute looking dog would be really disarmed.

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Yeah, or they they had human models that like reminded you of

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people that you knew that you liked or anything like that.

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You know, that would be upsetting right now.

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They just look like big scary machine.

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But you know that you know that's coming to write the key for

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a dog to have a capable pulling every one of your limbs out on

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I don't know.

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I'm just paranoid that someone who's watch those Boston Dynamics

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videos that is like over and over and over again over the years

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and wondered when exactly those were going to appear in our lives.

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I just did not feel that this is actually the moment.

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It happened when we have four is not terrible.

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McDonald's is closed shoots and injures 3 employees the police

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say in Oklahoma City woman shot through McDonald's employees

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Wednesday night after being told the restaurants dining area

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was closed Glory Tasha woode 32 was arrested for theft of the

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incident Oklahoma City Police said in a statement.

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Cop said what he was found a few blocks from McDonald's

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and could be seen on surveillance footage during the shooting.

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Turn employees two of them are 16 years old and not have life-threatening

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injuries police said one employee was shot in the arm,

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while two others were hit with shrapnel 1/4 employee was also

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injured but not shot with altercation began after employees

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told Woody that the restaurants dining area was closed because

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of coronavirus what he was forced as a restaurant but we returned

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with a gun and fired three rounds according to the cops businesses

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in Oklahoma have been allowed to reopen find the state's

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going to buy us lockdown but this particular McDonald's

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in Southwest Oklahoma City has stuck to take out and delivery

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orders only. So I mean, it's terrible it could be worse could

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have been fatal shooting.

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It's when I first saw this I kind of assumed it wasn't premeditated.

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I thought she just had her gun on her and got really upset

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and was triggered so to speak in the moment,

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but this is much more premeditated every time you talk to anybody

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that you know,

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Dick it take offense is the same report a gun and shoot you in

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the head like I'd I have that sir permantly married in my left

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toe in this part of the country all I'll say but you behave

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differently towards Americans who certainly on the highway,

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right people are aggressive drivers you is wearing a might have

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been tempted to give somebody them to do the thing feel

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like now I don't even think about doing that or a boyfriend

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and I speak out I feel bad because I realize like they're

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usually the ones who will face the wrath of anything goes wrong.

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Check that somebody else has to cash a message.

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But but if you're speaking out on behalf of somebody else, I

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think that's that's an exception to this rule.

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Although I have I have I have had that I mean that there's

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a lot of weird things happen the subway in New York.

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I do occasionally have to say something but it definitely

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has your mind that it in America.

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They can pull it almost any kind of weapon at any time and just

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start firing another directions and I don't even expect it to

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be a small weapon.

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I mean, it could be at 2:09.

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Exactly. But remember that should be the the slogan that if you

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see something say something if you see something keep it to yourself

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and quietly snitch later exactly up.

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So that was the four food groups.

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So we talked last week about the the hilarious failed coup attempt

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of I guess it was, it was a 67 private security contractor

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to try to invade Venezuela and take on forty seven thousand

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people and one of them had an airsoft rifle instead of a real

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weapon and they it kind of didn't work and they were tweeting

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as they were heading into the

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Also in which you know the offset icon that is kind of dubious

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and then we watch some ridiculous videos of this fellow named

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Justin. Gaudreau. Justin Wright Jordan.

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Okay, Jordan Jordan shoes.

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All right, whatever Jordan / Justin gaudreau who was basically

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he did like this video of himself in basically every shirtless

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suppose. You can imagine along with the his is adorable

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life-threatening pit pit bull and he was like jump punching.

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It's too heavy bags and we were really should have wondering if

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this is actually the funniest story of foreign policy story

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of all time.

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And now we're just going to revisit.

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I guess what's happened in the meantime,

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like what what have we learned one more people have been captured

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more mercenaries as Majora's calling them.

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I also looked into more of Jordans backstory and I can play

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I forgot his name is Jordan and we established that a Jordan

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is a Canadian man with the mess alinity issues.

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And we also gave birth to that great phrase.

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Okay, Jordan. Okay, Jordan right now.

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I have to use more because you already forgot about it.

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Well, I'm losing my mind.

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I'm seeing a fire to start this company 8 after the Parkland

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shooting and he also did security at a Richard Branson concert.

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That was Auntie Maduro and held in Columbia and he retired

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early from the military was a Green Beret.

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He retired after a parachuting accident left his back left him

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with a concussion and back injuries quickly just do the whole

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thing with the park plan because this is one of the funnier.

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Detailed list of things so deeply in the inevitable Vox explainer.

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It's amazing that go into detail about how he after the 2018

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school shooting in Parkland, Florida gaudreau Saw dollar signs,

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and I was like, well nobody's so I want to fix this and then

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it goes on and in boxes on word.

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His big idea have a special forces operatives in bed in schools

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and pose as teachers and students would not know their instructors

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actual identities. They might be more willing to describe

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how they're feeling or even maybe reveal their intentions

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to shoot up a school.

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I guess. It's an improvement over a yellow robotic write a powerlifter

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looking ex-special forces guy with a buzz-cut show up in your

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school, and he's not really teaching a class.

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21 Jump Street, if it's totally Robo Kindergarten Cop Kindergarten

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Cop quotes from gautreaux about that.

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He's imagining how does going to go is the quote?

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He's just that he's a cool shop teacher.

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Hey, what's up?

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Fellas? I go sit down with a kid alone who's playing Dungeons and

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Dragons and I just try to see whether there any problems.

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I love the idea.

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That is thick the kitties playing D&D maybe going to shoot

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up the school and special forces guy is just going to be that

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person who's going to get that that kid to open up.

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Right and the kid is probably been beaten into a pulp buy it by

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people who look exactly like that.

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Is is going to lie, it's going to open up to that dude.

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Anyway, go ahead and I'm sorry I just now on his website

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from Tony Robbins can't blame him who hasn't been reminded

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me of something that Marco Rubio said once during a debate

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brothers are very proud of him in our family.

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He served as a Green Beret in the 7th Special Forces from 1968

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through 1971 and is part of his training and jumped out of an

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airplane and he lost his two front teeth for years.

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He's had to go to get these Dental claim.

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So it just reminded me of another injury in the line of duty

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holster reviews is beyond belief and I'm convinced that it's

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not getting as much as it would under any normal circumstance

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because we're in the middle of a global disaster,

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but even the Bay of Pigs wasn't anywhere near

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The order of stupidity of this thing.

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That's not that somebody had to actually go for so I thought

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since gaudreau is from Canada and in this is kind of come up a

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few times in the show.

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I thought we should we just finally go ahead and have the debate

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about whether we're yay or nay on Canada General from Vancouver

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Canadian people is that they will actually answer this question

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in a way that's not like reflexively defense availability

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actually get really somber about this question whether they

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themselves are our yay or nay about Canada.

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We just count up with what the pluses and minuses are coming

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to take for a plus for me.

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I've got SCTV syrup Gordon Lightfoot William Shatner trees.

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Like I don't know what it what what do you have a scanner?

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Healthcare Sons relatively speaking gun laws because they're

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better people than us.

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They I think he does that make you Pro or anti cuz I could

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actually see you for that and making you a negative stuff about

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Canada really say all the Positive Healthcare better behave

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Gunner gunmanship gun ownership John Candy, Dan Aykroyd,

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Mike Myers.

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Yeah, he wasn't on setv a lot of funny folk from Canada Jim Carrey

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Jim Carrey everything positive about mate.

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All right will let's let's just like when some of the negative

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things Alberta oil sands deposits me things like three hundred

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billion tons of toxic oil sludge there.

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So they got to clean that thing up to the image that we have

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here in America Canadians as this very clean very racist,

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very racist very under-covered.

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under explored racism

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in Canada last towards their first Nations people.

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Right. Yes. Okay.

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That's a factually I think of you ask most Canadians.

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That's one of the things they would bring up about this gas about

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that Canadian racism mail.

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That's very well known about the United States bike as American

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as apple pie and guns and McDonald's is America,

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but really doesn't get enough shine exactly.

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What's your what's your feeling about?

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Lots of Lifetime movies being shot in Canada makes me feel jealous.

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Jealous in the positive character like to hear how expensive

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it is to shoot shoot a movie.

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I just want to rephrase your question what you're asking me is

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whether you're asking me my position on Lifetime movies.

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And yes, I'm very proud of Lifetime movies Brighton Lifetime

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movies is that when you meet the man in scene one,

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you can take you can place bets on when he starts stealing

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from her to be like between minute 30 and minutes 50 movie

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fact vs. You start noticing money is missing from the from,

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you know her purse and it doesn't work,

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right.

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And then it gets really heavy late later on.

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But and then she would just look at this video of Tom Green

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with a moose.

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He's hungry in Canadian.

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Like I don't know how you feel about this video.

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I was just driving along and was trying to open up a can of

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juice and adjust my radio at the same time and then all of a

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sudden this thing jumps out of the woods right in front of me.

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How did he find a just came across it I mean is in Canada?

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I'm sure that that it's not what I'm done,

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You should be able to find a dead moose in Canada.

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How do we feel about that and Auntie Em from beastiality

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combo?

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She didn't actually penetrate the Moose but it's you know,

00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:45.800
it's fine line.

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It's necrophilia Jason and then how you how you feel about

00:29:53.900 --> 00:29:55.900
that movie says a lot about how you feel by Canada?

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I mean, I feel like to have an interesting,

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you know, there's a Boston Dynamics.

00:30:06.100 --> 00:30:08.800
We need to have Canadian Dynamic.

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So I'm going to have to go Nae we can have a propane at

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a lot. We had we had have a pro Canada block.

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We need to have a divided house.

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I will probably I will probably represent the event for the proton

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to block in the show Pro Cuba a country that starts with a c

00:30:34.700 --> 00:30:38.100
that has socialist Tendencies not to compare them.

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But that's my country of choice Cuba City of Cameroon.

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Next time we're split on us to look into reading at,

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Dreams by 10 sides with Trump Bolton and Pompeo totally full

00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.400
circle while in backing coup effort in Venezuela,

00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.900
Democratic front-runner characterized as effort to overthrow

00:31:08.900 --> 00:31:12.500
the government of President Nicolas Maduro at gunpoint just

00:31:12.500 --> 00:31:16.600
another benign effort to restore democracy in Latin America

00:31:16.600 --> 00:31:19.200
and its really what's especially great about this.

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Is that the image that accompany This article is Biden holding

00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:28.400
an ice cream cone in one hand and dollar bills in another.

00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:32.200
So again, if we you know, there's so much American symbolism.

00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:36.600
So we got to get this American is apple pie McDonald's

00:31:36.600 --> 00:31:46.700
shooting swirl the cones and dollar bills and anti-imperialism

00:31:46.700 --> 00:31:50.500
and imperialism another benign effort.

00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:59.500
So coming up next for going to talk to Aaron mate,

00:31:59.500 --> 00:32:02.600
who is a Canadian man who is interested in Russia,

00:32:02.600 --> 00:32:04.900
and we're going to talk to him about stuff.

00:32:08.500 --> 00:32:11.000
Really excited to be talking to Aaron mate.

00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:15.500
Who is the host of pushback which is a show at the grey zone

00:32:15.500 --> 00:32:19.500
is also written for places like the nation and one and Izzy

00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:24.600
award. So I feel like a total underachiever.

00:32:24.600 --> 00:32:28.800
Welcome Aaron belated.

00:32:28.800 --> 00:32:33.600
Congratulations on your driver crash with you and yours.

00:32:33.600 --> 00:32:34.500
If I didn't I'm sorry.

00:32:34.500 --> 00:32:41.300
I'm sure he did but I'll take it again for the right moment

00:32:41.300 --> 00:32:46.900
to invite you on the show because obviously just going by the

00:32:46.900 --> 00:32:50.600
name of the show russiagate is a fruitful topic for as it always

00:32:50.600 --> 00:32:52.400
has been we talked about it from the start,

00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:56.200
but we figured it would be great to wait for a moment when this

00:32:56.200 --> 00:33:00.300
story resurfaced in a huge way to have you on to help so to

00:33:00.300 --> 00:33:02.800
walk folks through everything that's happened.

00:33:02.800 --> 00:33:04.100
And I would you agree.

00:33:04.100 --> 00:33:06.600
We're at one of those moments and then in the last couple

00:33:06.600 --> 00:33:06.900
of weeks.

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We've seen court documents Declassified FBI notes Declassified

00:33:13.100 --> 00:33:15.600
6000 pages of Court testimony.

00:33:15.600 --> 00:33:19.700
There's just a ton of stuff that you know,

00:33:19.700 --> 00:33:25.300
I think basically reduces the whole russiagate story to ruble

00:33:25.300 --> 00:33:28.500
almost at this point, but could you walk us through what the

00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:32.300
main Revelations of the last few weeks are one of the reasons

00:33:32.300 --> 00:33:39.900
why I was so opposed to russiagate being the main focus for Trump's

00:33:39.900 --> 00:33:43.000
opposition for over three years is that you know,

00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:46.900
all the available evidence to show how baseless it was and it

00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:48.800
was pretty clear that once it collapsed.

00:33:49.600 --> 00:33:52.100
It would hand Trump to guess.

00:33:52.100 --> 00:33:54.000
First of all, I would give him the gift of throughout.

00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:58.000
However long it took for this thing to end Trump's resistance

00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:02.300
being distracted into another dumb conspiracy theory that he conspired

00:34:02.300 --> 00:34:06.400
with. I was blackmailed by Russia into when it collapsed.

00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:10.300
It would give him the gift of vindication and then as more and

00:34:10.300 --> 00:34:13.800
more evidence came out to how this whole thing started truck

00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.200
would be able to exploit it and use it for his re-election

00:34:16.200 --> 00:34:19.100
campaign and say we look at how these people tried to stop me

00:34:19.100 --> 00:34:23.200
and how they tried to take me down and basically use it as an

00:34:23.200 --> 00:34:28.200
excuse for being so awful on everything else and now we're

00:34:28.200 --> 00:34:31.100
seeing that third phase where the more evidence comes out the

00:34:31.100 --> 00:34:35.700
more shows that the intelligence officials who started this

00:34:35.700 --> 00:34:38.700
whole thing and kept it going knew that they had no evidence

00:34:38.700 --> 00:34:44.000
of trump Russia collusion and committed basically fraud to keep

00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:45.200
their investigation going.

00:34:45.200 --> 00:34:48.000
I mean, we already got a semblance of that from the Horowitz

00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:54.200
report when You know, I'll be Spectre general of the doj documented

00:34:54.200 --> 00:34:59.000
cases where the FBI basically hid evidence from the court and

00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:02.100
even changed evidence to get a surveillance warrant on Carter

00:35:02.100 --> 00:35:05.800
page and downplay the fact that they are relying on the Steele

00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:09.900
dossier this moronic piece of opposition research paid for the

00:35:09.900 --> 00:35:14.000
Democratic party, and now we're learning in the case of Michael

00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.800
Flynn who was you know, and you've written about him extensively

00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:21.400
Matt. Do you know the heat his case really helped get this whole

00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.400
thing going in its early stages in right after Trump took office

00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:29.000
in January 2017 where they'd opened up at this counterintelligence

00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:33.400
investigation on him on totally baseless grounds,

00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.800
but once they realize that they had nothing they moved to close

00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.700
it, but then we have we seen that from the documents you would

00:35:39.700 --> 00:35:44.000
FBI agents intervening to keep his case open and coming up with

00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.900
a ridiculous pretext to interview him and basically try to nail

00:35:47.900 --> 00:35:48.700
him in a

00:35:49.600 --> 00:35:53.400
Hi, and you know his case never made sense because he was never

00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:57.600
even clear exactly what he lied about from the note that we got

00:35:57.600 --> 00:35:59.600
of the FBI conversation with him.

00:35:59.600 --> 00:36:01.600
It was more than you miss.

00:36:01.600 --> 00:36:03.900
Remember the details that they were talking to him about which

00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:06.000
was his phone call with the Russian Ambassador.

00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:09.600
So the case was always sketching our realizing why they're

00:36:09.600 --> 00:36:11.700
basically it was a setup.

00:36:11.700 --> 00:36:15.400
And so all this, you know fuels this once again,

00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:18.700
and it's a good excuse for Trump at a time when he's looking

00:36:18.700 --> 00:36:22.000
terrible because of his awful response to the coronavirus

00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.600
and I think you heading into 20/20 were going to see this discussed

00:36:25.600 --> 00:36:30.700
even more that they used to interview Flynn.

00:36:30.700 --> 00:36:33.900
I thought one of the interesting moments than all this testimony

00:36:33.900 --> 00:36:35.300
was when they asked McCabe.

00:36:35.300 --> 00:36:37.800
It was a deputy director of the FBI.

00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:42.900
What was your thinking in terms of approaching flan?

00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:43.700
Where where where is it?

00:36:43.700 --> 00:36:46.300
Were you with the case in late December and he basically

00:36:46.300 --> 00:36:48.700
says, you know, we were you know,

00:36:49.600 --> 00:36:53.300
We were basically at an impasse we we hadn't found anything

00:36:53.300 --> 00:36:56.300
substantive then they said well, why did you decide to go back

00:36:56.300 --> 00:37:00.600
and reinterview him and I thought there was an amazing passage

00:37:00.600 --> 00:37:04.700
if I can find it in his testimony where he says the record

00:37:04.700 --> 00:37:07.400
of his conversation with an embassy or kiss elac had become

00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.900
widely known in the press and we want and so we wanted to sit

00:37:10.900 --> 00:37:14.000
down with General Flynn and understand kind of what his thoughts

00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.400
on that conversation are and so for people who aren't familiar

00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:24.600
with what this this is in between there when talking to this

00:37:24.600 --> 00:37:28.700
Ambassador In This Moment a record of this conversation

00:37:28.700 --> 00:37:33.000
have been League's illegally to The Washington Post and now this

00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:37.000
becomes the pretext to go back and reinterview in I mean,

00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.700
it doesn't that look for both the press and for the FBI,

00:37:40.700 --> 00:37:44.200
isn't it? I mean or or what exactly are the Dynamics of that

00:37:44.200 --> 00:37:50.900
the FBI had no reason to interview Flynn because You say the

00:37:50.900 --> 00:37:53.100
conversation with kislyak was wiretap.

00:37:53.100 --> 00:37:55.000
So if Flint have done anything wrong,

00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.400
they could have confronted him about it and told him exactly

00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.600
what he did and you know, there was this invention later on that

00:38:02.600 --> 00:38:06.700
kislyak had promised Russia some form of sanctions relief

00:38:06.700 --> 00:38:11.600
and it because Obama had just impose new sanctions on Russia.

00:38:11.600 --> 00:38:14.300
So there was speculation that that's playing at basically

00:38:14.300 --> 00:38:18.600
told Russia not to worry about the sanctions and that they were going

00:38:18.600 --> 00:38:23.100
to go away because because the train was coming in and that

00:38:23.100 --> 00:38:26.700
was possibly some kind of payoff for some illicit Russian

00:38:26.700 --> 00:38:28.500
help. What actually happened was on the call.

00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:31.200
If you look at what we know about is basically slim telling

00:38:31.200 --> 00:38:33.600
kiss that look we're about to come in anyway,

00:38:33.600 --> 00:38:36.600
so no matter what you do in response to these sanctions

00:38:36.600 --> 00:38:37.700
that Obama is gone.

00:38:37.700 --> 00:38:40.300
You don't escalate the situation just so you know,

00:38:40.300 --> 00:38:44.100
whatever you do respond proportionately so which is a totally

00:38:44.100 --> 00:38:47.700
normal thing to say and slim by the way also asked for Russia's

00:38:47.700 --> 00:38:49.000
help in voting against

00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:54.800
Aur Security Council resolution that was going to criticize

00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:57.300
Israeli settlement building in the occupied territories

00:38:57.300 --> 00:39:00.500
and for the first time basically Obama had decided that they

00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:03.700
they weren't going to be tow it after previously protecting

00:39:03.700 --> 00:39:06.500
Israeli policies multiple times if you win this time,

00:39:06.500 --> 00:39:09.300
then we're going to vote for it but Obama was going to abstain

00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:14.200
and so the Israeli government ask the Trump campaign to try to

00:39:14.200 --> 00:39:17.400
kill it and so split among the people who Flynn rejected

00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:21.500
was kislyak, but it's funny even though that shows the actually

00:39:21.500 --> 00:39:25.000
only documented case of trump campaign collusion with a foreign

00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:28.600
power. We don't talk about it because the government happens

00:39:28.600 --> 00:39:31.600
to be Israel and support for Israel with the exception of

00:39:31.600 --> 00:39:34.500
that one Obama decision that one of them the vote.

00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:35.900
It's pretty much bipartisan.

00:39:35.900 --> 00:39:38.900
So either ignored that okay, it could be called Israel gate

00:39:38.900 --> 00:39:45.600
was apparently involved in this thing to in the Trap Team work

00:39:45.600 --> 00:39:47.800
very hard to try to get people to vote against this measure

00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:49.200
which failed and by the way

00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:54.700
Alright, I mean they they didn't get the Russians to do what they

00:39:54.700 --> 00:40:03.800
wanted to work together Russia told him no and they and

00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:07.100
they and they voted for this measure is what so what I mean,

00:40:07.100 --> 00:40:10.000
you know the foot but the flame thing was very damaging

00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.800
because they were able to accuse me of lying because he didn't

00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.700
quite remember the details of his calls with kislyak call,

00:40:17.700 --> 00:40:22.100
by the way that he made while he was drunk I think in the

00:40:22.100 --> 00:40:25.000
Caribbean and turn that into some kind of thing that flame

00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.800
was compromised but look they never should have investigated

00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:32.700
him or anybody else in the Trump campaign to begin with and we

00:40:32.700 --> 00:40:36.700
we've learned recently how the entire thing began its base supposedly

00:40:36.700 --> 00:40:41.300
on the stip the FBI get in the summer of 2016 about George

00:40:41.300 --> 00:40:44.700
Papadopoulos, which is like a who's a low-level Trump campaign

00:40:44.700 --> 00:40:47.600
volunteer, you know that I'm paid foreign policy advisor

00:40:47.600 --> 00:40:49.300
and the FBI get the tips.

00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:53.700
Australian Diplomat Alexander Downer that Papadopoulos

00:40:53.700 --> 00:40:58.100
quote suggested that Russia had made some kind of suggestion

00:40:58.100 --> 00:41:02.700
that's almost an exact quote and the suggestion of Russian

00:41:02.700 --> 00:41:07.400
help didn't even mention the stolen emails at the heart of Russia

00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.500
gate. So it was the most vague and ambiguous tip,

00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:13.200
but yet that was used as the basis for this entire thing.

00:41:13.200 --> 00:41:16.600
Once they open up that and they thought all right.

00:41:16.600 --> 00:41:20.300
Well, who else in the Trump campaign might possibly be receptive

00:41:20.300 --> 00:41:25.300
to a suggestion from Russia of help if such as if it's such

00:41:25.300 --> 00:41:28.200
a suggestion even exist cuz they weren't even sure she was just

00:41:28.200 --> 00:41:30.800
a suggestion and then they went well Flynn.

00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.400
All right, will Flynn went to this RT Gala in December 2015

00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:39.300
Flynn works for Trump now and Flynn has other undefined

00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:40.800
ties to Russian entities. I

00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:42.200
will they don't exactly what that is.

00:41:42.200 --> 00:41:47.200
So we're learning that now from the predicate document for flan

00:41:47.200 --> 00:41:49.300
it basically all they use was this open.

00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.800
Information to take their ridiculous Papa.

00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:56.700
Papadopoulos predicating investigation and move it to people

00:41:56.700 --> 00:41:59.800
like Flynn. So the idea of him being investigated for collusion

00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:04.300
was ridiculous to begin with and what compounds the fraud isn't

00:42:04.300 --> 00:42:07.300
even after they realize that they kept it going and by the way

00:42:07.300 --> 00:42:10.600
speaking of fried and ridiculous investigation, we've actually

00:42:10.600 --> 00:42:13.700
just got and I think the most bombshell man disclosure

00:42:13.700 --> 00:42:17.200
yet, which is that, you know before even the collusion

00:42:17.200 --> 00:42:20.200
thing comes this allegation that Russia hacked the emails and

00:42:20.200 --> 00:42:22.900
everyone's taking that on faith because we're supposed to

00:42:22.900 --> 00:42:25.800
worship our intelligence officials and not question anything

00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:30.100
they say well now we just found out that the that the entity

00:42:30.100 --> 00:42:33.900
that generated the Russian hacking allegation and was used as

00:42:33.900 --> 00:42:37.100
a critical source for us intelligence officials including

00:42:37.100 --> 00:42:40.900
Robert Mueller admitted behind closed doors, but it actually

00:42:40.900 --> 00:42:44.700
has no evidence that allege Russian hackers stole the emails.

00:42:44.700 --> 00:42:47.800
I'm talking about crowdstrike, which is this firm hired by the

00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:48.200
DNC.

00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.700
Bader President John Henry gave an interview to the house intelligence

00:42:52.700 --> 00:42:55.100
Committee in December of 2017.

00:42:55.100 --> 00:42:56.400
We just got the end. It

00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:57.400
would be sure the transcript.

00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:01.300
I just now just last week and Henry says yeah when it comes

00:43:01.300 --> 00:43:04.200
to be actual exfiltration of the emails from the server.

00:43:04.200 --> 00:43:05.200
We have no evidence.

00:43:05.200 --> 00:43:07.600
Did they make that public?

00:43:07.600 --> 00:43:11.500
Will they had to because all these interviews War?

00:43:11.500 --> 00:43:13.400
Why do they make this into?

00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:16.200
Why are we just like you just said it happened in 2017,

00:43:16.200 --> 00:43:17.300
and we're just learning better now.

00:43:17.300 --> 00:43:21.100
So what is the chronology in terms of why we're learning

00:43:21.100 --> 00:43:24.300
about it now will I blame someone who I blame for pretty much

00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:27.700
almost everything that's gone wrong with Adam Schiff.

00:43:27.700 --> 00:43:32.000
He is done putting him in a central role in the Democratic

00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.800
opposition. I think it's been a disaster and I worry is going

00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.700
to is going to help real electric.

00:43:37.700 --> 00:43:41.500
I really do so shift back when I'll be back when all these

00:43:41.500 --> 00:43:44.700
interviews were done the Republicans control the committee,

00:43:44.700 --> 00:43:47.600
so they voted actually with everybody else including Democrats

00:43:47.600 --> 00:43:49.000
in September of 2018.

00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:54.100
To declassify those transcripts and so they sent him for the

00:43:54.100 --> 00:43:58.600
classification which one under review that review got completed.

00:43:58.600 --> 00:44:01.600
But at a certain point Adam Schiff takes over the committee

00:44:01.600 --> 00:44:05.800
at the Democrats win the midterms and shift told the Director of

00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:08.400
National Intelligence that the White House is not allowed

00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.400
to review any of these transcripts for executive privilege,

00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:15.900
which basically stalled the process and led to this protracted

00:44:15.900 --> 00:44:19.900
thing. We're finally just recently Republicans and Richard

00:44:19.900 --> 00:44:21.400
grenell did new Director of National Intelligence,

00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:25.400
you know, first shift release transcripts in Cornell suggested

00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:29.200
that he would anyway, so shift finally relented so now and meanwhile,

00:44:29.200 --> 00:44:32.400
we've also learned that during this time that we were denied

00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.300
those grants for the transcript of telling us that he'd seen

00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:37.300
secret evidence of collusion.

00:44:37.300 --> 00:44:40.800
He was more than almost anybody else Fanning the Flames of collusion

00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:43.400
will now we learn from all the transcripts a chip that just

00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:46.900
released that all his Witnesses told them the exact opposite

00:44:46.900 --> 00:44:49.300
that actually nobody had any evidence of Clues.

00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:52.300
At all, which is not surprising cuz the whole thing is so dumb

00:44:52.300 --> 00:44:55.400
to begin with there's a couple of really striking things and

00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:56.100
all the testimony.

00:44:56.100 --> 00:44:58.300
But but all of the National Security officials,

00:44:58.300 --> 00:45:01.500
they interviewed about this and mostly it's Trey Gowdy Rod who's

00:45:01.500 --> 00:45:02.200
asking this question.

00:45:02.200 --> 00:45:05.900
Like what what the South Carolina Congressman at the time is it

00:45:05.900 --> 00:45:08.600
what evidence do you have at this point of collusion or conspiracy

00:45:08.600 --> 00:45:11.900
or however, you want to Define it and one after the other they

00:45:11.900 --> 00:45:14.900
all basically give the same answer whether it's Loretta Lynn

00:45:14.900 --> 00:45:19.200
sure, you know Mary McCord or Deputy attorney general start

00:45:19.200 --> 00:45:22.100
selling or or James Clapper.

00:45:22.100 --> 00:45:29.000
We don't have anything yet or are we still in the Gathering

00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.700
stage or up until I left office with we didn't have anything

00:45:32.700 --> 00:45:38.800
but that that was the answer and ship must have known that which

00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.000
is which is part of what's so amazing about what you're saying.

00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.200
He didn't know that but he's I believe is a pathological

00:45:44.200 --> 00:45:45.800
liar. He is done.

00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:49.100
He presented the public with this.

00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.000
Totally false narrative that he had seen the secret evidence

00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:53.400
you can't get into it.

00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:57.000
But you know and it's directly contradicted what he was told

00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.900
and no one has even if you look at all this public statement

00:45:59.900 --> 00:46:02.700
on this, they're so disingenuous, but unfortunately

00:46:02.700 --> 00:46:07.100
nobody on MSNBC or CNN challenged him.

00:46:07.100 --> 00:46:10.600
So he was able to get away with along with others get over to the

00:46:10.600 --> 00:46:14.300
line to the public in building at people's hope making

00:46:14.300 --> 00:46:16.800
them believe that Robert Mueller was going to uncover the grand

00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:21.000
conspiracy and of course and that and inevitably had to collapse

00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:25.600
because the facts just are not there and the Damage they've

00:46:25.600 --> 00:46:29.100
done is incalculable me look one of the other things ship did

00:46:29.100 --> 00:46:33.200
was keep Bernie Sanders off of the campaign Trail in critical

00:46:33.200 --> 00:46:37.000
States in Iowa and South Carolina during the primary to Bernie

00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.800
Sanders could sit in the Senate and listen to Adam Schiff

00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:43.200
tell us that we have to send weapons to Ukraine so that we can

00:46:43.200 --> 00:46:47.100
fight Russia over there and not fight them over here and literally

00:46:47.100 --> 00:46:49.200
and now we've got an abbreviation of people upset.

00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:53.100
That because Bernie had to be in the senate for that that he was

00:46:53.100 --> 00:46:58.800
deprived of critical visit inside the key early primary States.

00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.800
So, you know, which to me is not surprising because part of the

00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:04.700
big reason we got Russia gave us for the same people who want

00:47:04.700 --> 00:47:07.700
to destroy Bernie Sanders in the Democratic party was a way for

00:47:07.700 --> 00:47:10.900
them to hold onto their power because you know blaming Russia

00:47:10.900 --> 00:47:15.200
and a conspiracy with Trump was an easy way to avoid self-reflection

00:47:15.200 --> 00:47:20.200
privilege protection racket.

00:47:20.200 --> 00:47:27.800
It was a total, you know, Elite journalist to pretend that they're

00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:31.100
challenging Power by looking for this missing Trump Russia

00:47:31.100 --> 00:47:36.200
conspiracy while meanwhile propping up, you know,

00:47:36.200 --> 00:47:39.200
incredibly powerful centers in this country, especially

00:47:39.200 --> 00:47:42.100
those that want to demonize Russia and have a cold war with

00:47:42.100 --> 00:47:45.300
Russia and profit from a cold war with Russia and mall so,

00:47:45.300 --> 00:47:48.800
you know worshipping intelligence officials like John Brennan

00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:50.000
and Shein Mr.

00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:53.500
New Heroes, it was totally anti-progressive and reactionary

00:47:53.500 --> 00:47:57.100
and look. That's why on the eve of the Nevada Primary you guys

00:47:57.100 --> 00:47:59.900
have talked about this but it's it's worth reflecting

00:47:59.900 --> 00:48:03.300
on for any Progressive aspect of who got enrolled in believing

00:48:03.300 --> 00:48:06.000
Rush the gate on the eve of the Nevada caucus what happens

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:07.400
we'll burn he's doing well.

00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:11.800
So intelligence officials leak this report this claim that Russia

00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:14.200
now preferred. Bernie Sanders is trying to help him win.

00:48:14.200 --> 00:48:18.900
So it's no surprise that this reactionary anti-progressive

00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:23.100
fixation that dominated everything for 3 years was used to undermine

00:48:23.100 --> 00:48:25.800
Bernie and I think I mean, I know there's a progressive

00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:26.700
audience watching this.

00:48:26.700 --> 00:48:29.700
So what I hope is anybody who got duped into believing

00:48:29.700 --> 00:48:33.700
watch a gate, you know, when I get why because we were presented

00:48:33.700 --> 00:48:36.900
overwhelming with one narrative, but I hope there could be some

00:48:36.900 --> 00:48:40.300
reflection, you know, next time not going along with narratives

00:48:40.300 --> 00:48:44.100
that are also Emily aimed at destroying the progressive

00:48:44.100 --> 00:48:46.900
cause which you know, in this case it did do serious damage.

00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.500
Religion protected we're is it Consultants?

00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:56.700
Right? Because if you blame the election of Donald Trump on Russian

00:48:56.700 --> 00:48:59.700
intervention, you don't have to look at what these campaigns

00:48:59.700 --> 00:49:04.800
did that were, you know incorrectly or the media that you have

00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.500
gave Trump billions of dollars worth of free our time.

00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:11.200
It was it was the perfect reflection is to blame everybody

00:49:11.200 --> 00:49:15.000
but ourselves and not to look at the system we have and whether

00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.300
or not there was legitimate grievance that led Trump that that

00:49:19.300 --> 00:49:23.200
Trump exploited, you know, it was a perfect way to avoid any

00:49:23.200 --> 00:49:28.400
mention of that and it's sad to me that Bernie Sanders Looking

00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:29.100
Back Now with hindsight.

00:49:29.100 --> 00:49:33.100
I was Bernie Sanders had had the sense to stand up and say,

00:49:33.100 --> 00:49:36.300
you know what all this is way overblown whether or not Russia

00:49:36.300 --> 00:49:37.300
still some emails.

00:49:37.300 --> 00:49:40.300
This is not worthy of all this attention that it's getting

00:49:40.300 --> 00:49:43.500
there a real issues of needs to focus on and we don't need to

00:49:43.500 --> 00:49:47.300
like worship intelligence officials and promote war with Russia

00:49:47.300 --> 00:49:49.200
to challenge Trump there other way.

00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.800
Do it repeated his enough about the goddamn emails.

00:49:52.800 --> 00:50:04.100
But instead he knew that this was not everything. It

00:50:04.100 --> 00:50:07.500
was cracked up to be I thought maybe it was understandable

00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:10.600
that he didn't say anything because had he done so his cynical

00:50:10.600 --> 00:50:12.900
opponents would have called him a food and apologized

00:50:12.900 --> 00:50:16.100
and working with Trump and slammed and even more so I can get

00:50:16.100 --> 00:50:17.200
the Tactical argument.

00:50:17.200 --> 00:50:20.500
But now I'm saying I think that was a mistake because when you

00:50:20.500 --> 00:50:23.100
don't push back on the stuff you you helped give it life and

00:50:23.100 --> 00:50:25.600
it was ultimately used to bring him down at all.

00:50:25.600 --> 00:50:28.100
So we gave Trump just such a massive gift.

00:50:28.100 --> 00:50:31.400
So throughout the time that all this happened like I immediately

00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:35.700
focused on the collusion stuff just because that was there

00:50:35.700 --> 00:50:39.400
were just so many obvious issues there that I thought needed

00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:41.500
to be explored it to seem more ridiculous to me,

00:50:41.500 --> 00:50:45.400
but you will what you you focused a lot more than I think anybody

00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.300
else in the Press has on the initial Story the store.

00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.600
Play about the degree of culpability that Russia might have

00:50:53.600 --> 00:50:57.900
had for the the DNC hack in Java.

00:50:57.900 --> 00:50:59.800
Sea, would you lose if you looked at their recent testimony

00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:01.200
of involving Henry?

00:51:01.200 --> 00:51:05.400
Can you walk us through what the deficiencies might be in the

00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:11.700
story that Russia did this because I have to get the reaction

00:51:11.700 --> 00:51:14.300
to most of the stuff has been yet.

00:51:14.300 --> 00:51:17.900
But Russia did it so whatever right but it but there are issues

00:51:17.900 --> 00:51:19.800
that aren't there sure.

00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.700
It won't look there was a fundamental deficiency and Glenn

00:51:23.700 --> 00:51:27.600
Greenwald was I think the most vocal and pointing it out along

00:51:27.600 --> 00:51:30.300
with Robert Perry the late Robert Perry a Consortium news by Glenn

00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:34.800
Greenwald just made a very conservative point at the very beginning

00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:38.600
which is that we don't accept intelligence officials claims

00:51:38.600 --> 00:51:41.500
on faith. That should have been the lesson of things like the

00:51:41.500 --> 00:51:44.600
Iraq War. I mean, we should see concrete evidence then you know,

00:51:44.600 --> 00:51:48.000
I just should have took that as a mantra and how I approach

00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.800
all these claims of Russian interference, that was all it was a

00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:55.700
lot said but we got very little in the way of evidence

00:51:55.700 --> 00:51:58.900
that we didn't get any really anything until Mueller indicted

00:51:58.900 --> 00:52:04.400
some Russian Gru officer alive 2018, but that was a long time

00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:06.300
after this whole thing started an email.

00:52:06.300 --> 00:52:11.300
Everybody was just repeating as proof that Russia had attacked the

00:52:11.300 --> 00:52:13.300
US with this email hack in my life.

00:52:13.300 --> 00:52:16.800
Even if the allegations against Russia are true if it was completely

00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:21.500
Empire American Centric way of looking at it this idea that

00:52:21.500 --> 00:52:24.400
stealing some emails is a kin to you know,

00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:27.600
Pearl Harbor and 9/11 which is the way it was describing.

00:52:27.600 --> 00:52:30.900
Meanwhile it what you know, what we do if we were to steal

00:52:30.900 --> 00:52:33.200
another country to emails they would be you know,

00:52:33.200 --> 00:52:36.700
what they would say would be so grateful mean while in reality

00:52:36.700 --> 00:52:40.400
were imposing murderous sanctions on countries like Cuba and

00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:42.900
Iran and Venezuela depriving them of medicine,

00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:46.000
you know, putting in hundreds of millions of dollars billions

00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:48.600
of dollars into proxy wars and Wars on Country.

00:52:48.600 --> 00:52:49.000
So anyway,

00:52:49.300 --> 00:52:52.600
You know, even the way it was discussed you get the allegation

00:52:52.600 --> 00:52:53.500
was true was ridiculous.

00:52:53.500 --> 00:52:55.300
But on the merits of the obligation.

00:52:55.300 --> 00:53:00.200
Yeah, I mean again, it was generated by crowdstrike the fact

00:53:00.200 --> 00:53:02.800
that cross-react with a DNC contractor should have raised

00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:06.600
immediate red flags in the same way that the other core plank

00:53:06.600 --> 00:53:10.600
of the Russian of Russia gate collusion was generated by another

00:53:10.600 --> 00:53:16.500
DNC contractor Fusion GPS, and I'm from the start being the evidence

00:53:16.500 --> 00:53:21.300
was sketchy. It was even based on a lot of inferences.

00:53:21.300 --> 00:53:24.600
They would say things and you qualified language like the actor

00:53:24.600 --> 00:53:29.100
is inside the DNC work their actions were consistent with actions

00:53:29.100 --> 00:53:30.800
associated with Russian intelligence.

00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.300
But even when people that crowdstrike said that you know,

00:53:34.300 --> 00:53:37.600
there was already reasons to question The credibility

00:53:37.600 --> 00:53:41.000
because when they made similar claims about Russia and Ukraine,

00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:44.000
they had to retract it when they made when they choose Russia

00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.000
attacking Ukrainian military hardware with similar software.

00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:49.000
They said they found that the

00:53:49.300 --> 00:53:52.300
Starbucks statue attract that so even their track record is pretty

00:53:52.300 --> 00:53:54.000
sketchy plus their partisan affiliation.

00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:58.000
Their co-founder is a fellow at the Atlantic Council,

00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:03.400
which is our bass player Pro NATO organization and Anarchy

00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:06.200
NC contractor. So I never understood why we should take their

00:54:06.200 --> 00:54:06.900
view on faith.

00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:10.700
And then you look at what the indictment produced Mueller

00:54:10.700 --> 00:54:15.300
timeline was strange, you know, Juliana songs announced

00:54:15.300 --> 00:54:19.400
on June 12th that he had Democratic party emails according

00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:23.700
to Mueller. It was only after then that Sean's first made contact

00:54:23.700 --> 00:54:25.300
with guccifer to play.

00:54:25.300 --> 00:54:29.900
I know whom I suggested but didn't even outright say but suggested

00:54:29.900 --> 00:54:32.300
that was the source that gave us eyes to email.

00:54:32.300 --> 00:54:35.500
So according to listen to Mueller timeline of songs would have

00:54:35.500 --> 00:54:39.500
announced the emails before he even communicate with the person

00:54:39.500 --> 00:54:41.000
who may have provided it to him.

00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:44.300
So that part didn't make sense and then you have sketchy

00:54:44.300 --> 00:54:47.900
qualified language inside the Mueller report and I think now

00:54:47.900 --> 00:54:49.000
we're finding out why there was

00:54:49.300 --> 00:54:52.400
That hedging is because crowdstrike the firm that first made

00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:56.200
the allegation now says it has no actual evidence that anything

00:54:56.200 --> 00:55:01.700
left the DNC server and then you have the saying that the backup

00:55:01.700 --> 00:55:05.600
the chronology revealed suggest that it was not guccifer

00:55:05.600 --> 00:55:15.100
but someone else who gave us onto documents right or so because

00:55:15.100 --> 00:55:18.900
I don't you know that he had the emails before according

00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:23.000
to Mueller even communicated with cuso4 2.0 and more than a month

00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:26.700
before he even received anything from Lucifer's friend and mother

00:55:26.700 --> 00:55:30.600
alleges that goose Pritchard when I was likely a Russian

00:55:30.600 --> 00:55:32.300
intelligence cut out soda.

00:55:35.500 --> 00:55:41.400
That way I'm just said that you know a song she said and I

00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:43.600
think that the new testimony from crowdstrike,

00:55:43.600 --> 00:55:46.200
you know bolsters.

00:55:46.200 --> 00:55:48.800
What what what he said, you said that it's quite possible

00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:51.700
and even likely that there were state actors including

00:55:51.700 --> 00:55:55.700
Russia who hacked the DNC but whoever those hackers were we're

00:55:55.700 --> 00:55:59.400
not our source, you know, and it'd be great if we can hear more

00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.800
from massage, but unfortunately he's cage right now in the US

00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:06.200
has refused Wikileaks his efforts to have discussions

00:56:06.200 --> 00:56:09.700
about this. So that is why I never interviewed in which I thought

00:56:09.700 --> 00:56:11.200
was odd. It's so strange.

00:56:11.200 --> 00:56:16.000
I didn't know Mueller interview him.

00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:26.300
So just to just to clarify but Henry's testimony that just came

00:56:26.300 --> 00:56:29.000
out those. So what are you basically says I if I'm following

00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:31.200
it correctly cuz there's a lot of weird stuff in there like

00:56:31.200 --> 00:56:34.800
their shift trying to prompt him to say that it isn't.

00:56:35.500 --> 00:56:39.500
Turn on the X and Y date and you can see the visitors a

00:56:39.500 --> 00:56:40.900
moment where if I am not mistaken.

00:56:40.900 --> 00:56:45.500
It sounds like shift is trying to get him to say that the data

00:56:45.500 --> 00:56:48.700
was exfiltrated on April 11th through 16.

00:56:48.700 --> 00:56:52.800
Henry's gun when you know, not really keeps trying to make the

00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:53.600
question go away.

00:56:53.600 --> 00:56:58.000
And then what are you what are you really says is what we have

00:56:58.000 --> 00:56:59.600
evidence that they were in there, but we never received

00:56:59.600 --> 00:57:07.300
the data actually leaving right which which is seems to me and

00:57:07.300 --> 00:57:09.700
major point and all this but you know,

00:57:09.700 --> 00:57:15.100
who knows if that's what he saying if you can't see the data

00:57:15.100 --> 00:57:17.700
leaving, how can you accuse someone of stealing the day that

00:57:17.700 --> 00:57:20.700
makes no sense and look that that exchange you bring up about

00:57:20.700 --> 00:57:29.800
shift Henry literally says I'm confused about the date the forensics

00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:32.700
investigation and the in the remediation of the server.

00:57:32.700 --> 00:57:34.500
So he's supposed to be like, you know,

00:57:34.500 --> 00:57:35.300
a top-notch guy.

00:57:35.500 --> 00:57:37.200
James Comey was petrified the Congress.

00:57:37.200 --> 00:57:39.800
He said yeah, we didn't get direct access to the servers.

00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:43.100
But we relied on this highly respected company will now we learn

00:57:43.100 --> 00:57:46.700
in over 3 years later that this how they respect the company

00:57:46.700 --> 00:57:50.700
has no clue on the basics of what happened in the server and

00:57:50.700 --> 00:57:52.600
even acknowledges that there's no evidence of it.

00:57:52.600 --> 00:57:55.700
So it's it's unbelievable and you know,

00:57:55.700 --> 00:57:59.000
this should be a front-page headline, but it's always not getting

00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.400
the attention that you have to remember that.

00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:03.800
The other component of this thing was this troll Farm,

00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:07.300
which is just comical, you know that we were told that the social

00:58:07.300 --> 00:58:11.100
media operation pitted Americans against each other so chaos,

00:58:11.100 --> 00:58:21.300
you know, I don't get along according to Hillary Clinton

00:58:21.300 --> 00:58:25.600
other social media help convince blacks not to vote in Michigan

00:58:25.600 --> 00:58:31.100
according that said that and then you look at these at these

00:58:31.100 --> 00:58:34.700
ads and if juvenile clickbait from a Russian troll Farm

00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:39.100
Did it has nothing to do with the election most of it came after

00:58:39.100 --> 00:58:43.400
the election? So it's curious that adds it mostly are after that.

00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.700
I can somehow influence elections and they're all you know,

00:58:46.700 --> 00:58:48.200
it's like dumb means like, you know,

00:58:48.200 --> 00:58:52.500
Jesus Jesus masturbation hotline, you know, there's a there's

00:58:52.500 --> 00:58:55.200
a there's one that says like it's it is a cartoon of Jesus

00:58:55.200 --> 00:58:57.900
consoling a young a dejected young man. And

00:58:57.900 --> 00:59:01.600
he says if you're having problems masturbation reach out

00:59:01.600 --> 00:59:03.000
to Jesus and we'll beat it together.

00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:14.200
You can't hold hands with guy when you are masturbating

00:59:14.200 --> 00:59:18.400
either hotline, if you need help with the Russians for their

00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:24.200
you know, male-centric masturbation has that but you know,

00:59:24.200 --> 00:59:28.000
but yeah so much as I can for that but you got them for

00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:32.400
the sweeping and sophisticated propaganda operation that literally

00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:35.300
every single news Outlet told us like was in full.

00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:38.700
Joel and hundreds of millions of people online.

00:59:38.700 --> 00:59:43.800
It's such garbage and it's such garbage that Mueller first

00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:47.900
had to drop his suggestion never outright said it the more people

00:59:47.900 --> 00:59:49.400
were so slick.

00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:51.800
There were so disingenuous in their language.

00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:55.200
So they suggested that the troll Farm was part of this Russian

00:59:55.200 --> 00:59:58.700
government operation for the Russian troll Farm challenge

00:59:58.700 --> 01:00:01.300
Mueller's indictments in court and basically mother had to admit

01:00:01.300 --> 01:00:05.200
back so they have no evidence at all times troll Farm to the

01:00:05.200 --> 01:00:08.300
Russian government beyond the nickname of the owner of the sky

01:00:08.300 --> 01:00:10.300
production is known as Putin's Chef Jeff.

01:00:10.300 --> 01:00:13.200
That's the only evidence they have any remote tie between

01:00:13.200 --> 01:00:15.300
the Kremlin in the show farm.

01:00:15.300 --> 01:00:17.900
So the idea of us being part of the government operation

01:00:17.900 --> 01:00:20.200
was destroyed their and by the way,

01:00:20.200 --> 01:00:22.000
it's a criminal was responsible for it.

01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.700
They should be embarrassed because it was so juvenile is the

01:00:24.700 --> 01:00:28.400
Jesus add a serious discussion, you know,

01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:31.900
the reason I saw that Jesus said it was included inside a senate

01:00:31.900 --> 01:00:35.800
commission study by the sperm new know if it has the Imp At the

01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:39.000
Senate intelligence committee and it includes that Jesus add

01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:43.800
under a section of how the Kremlin exploited American vulnerability

01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:47.800
in a bid to recruit people so that ad was an example of its

01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:51.300
base level of idiocy, but everybody took it seriously and it got

01:00:51.300 --> 01:00:56.000
so ridiculous that mother ultimately dropped the mall or the

01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:59.000
Mueller team members were still at the doj ultimately

01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:02.600
just recently dropped the case and they claimed amazingly

01:01:02.600 --> 01:01:05.600
that if they were to continue the case that the discovery

01:01:05.600 --> 01:01:08.100
process would jeopardize American National Security.

01:01:08.100 --> 01:01:12.700
And in that case, they wouldn't even let the client see all the

01:01:12.700 --> 01:01:15.700
discovery, right? They think they requested a special process.

01:01:15.700 --> 01:01:19.200
Whereby only that is the lawyers would get to see the actual

01:01:19.200 --> 01:01:25.200
evidence was according to be a threat to National Security,

01:01:25.200 --> 01:01:29.000
but somehow fighting his troll Farm case Willits it laughable.

01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:31.300
There are a million.

01:01:32.300 --> 01:01:36.200
Things in this song and it all just testimony and there's

01:01:36.200 --> 01:01:40.100
thousands of pages of the stuff but I must have had three dozen

01:01:40.100 --> 01:01:41.500
moments where I read a line.

01:01:41.500 --> 01:01:47.400
I'm sick and my favorite I think was when they asked McCabe.

01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:53.100
Why did you did you seek a fisa warrant on Carter page and not

01:01:53.100 --> 01:01:59.900
Papadopoulos and the answer is because we the evidence didn't

01:01:59.900 --> 01:02:03.700
particularly didn't particularly indicate that Papadopoulos

01:02:03.700 --> 01:02:05.900
was actually in touch with any Russians.

01:02:05.900 --> 01:02:11.800
So this is the predicate for the entire Crossfire hurricane

01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:16.200
FBI investigation doesn't that mean we have to walk back like

01:02:16.200 --> 01:02:19.700
three years of expose some stories about about everything

01:02:19.700 --> 01:02:20.000
from

01:02:21.200 --> 01:02:27.100
The dino Papadopoulos to the remember when they when the news

01:02:27.100 --> 01:02:31.100
first broke that there was an FBI investigation notes hearings

01:02:31.100 --> 01:02:35.900
of March 2017 weeks of stories about how this was the biggest

01:02:35.900 --> 01:02:38.700
thing since Watergate except they already knew at that point

01:02:38.700 --> 01:02:43.200
that the opening of the investigation was it was announced

01:02:43.200 --> 01:02:44.100
it was a dead end.

01:02:44.100 --> 01:02:50.700
It's amazing. How many things should be being walked back at this

01:02:50.700 --> 01:02:51.600
point in art?

01:02:51.600 --> 01:02:55.300
I think the problem is it's like it's sensory overload.

01:02:55.300 --> 01:02:57.500
I mean 3rd being so many Bombshells,

01:02:57.500 --> 01:03:00.200
but then get retracted and so many embarrassing disclosures.

01:03:00.200 --> 01:03:03.500
I think there's a fatigue now, there's only so much people

01:03:03.500 --> 01:03:09.500
can everything for three years.

01:03:09.500 --> 01:03:11.900
So people accidentally want to move on and of course,

01:03:11.900 --> 01:03:14.900
you know, this is a dynamic you've written about extensively

01:03:14.900 --> 01:03:19.000
methods of the people who commit the mistakes are the last people

01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:21.000
to haul themselves accountable in media, you know,

01:03:21.100 --> 01:03:24.100
Justice culture of complete impunity there's you know,

01:03:24.100 --> 01:03:26.800
I'm theirs and I just felt like the Atlantic is published

01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:31.800
this huge piece lawyer by Franklin and is going to sabotage

01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:34.700
the 2020 election what time I soft boil.

01:03:34.700 --> 01:03:38.600
He was pushing this story that Trump and Russia communicated

01:03:38.600 --> 01:03:43.700
via the the servers of the bank out the bank which is so moronic

01:03:43.700 --> 01:03:44.300
on its face.

01:03:44.300 --> 01:03:46.000
And of course the one of many things that have been debunked

01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:48.100
can go ahead and do it and you know,

01:03:48.100 --> 01:03:51.600
like you can say things like he's has a line of this piece

01:03:51.600 --> 01:03:55.500
that resells that you Putin has gotten everything.

01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:59.100
He wanted out of trump is Trump continues to do things on Putin's

01:03:59.100 --> 01:04:02.400
wish list when the reality is that actually in Trump.

01:04:03.200 --> 01:04:07.500
We've gotten one of the most hawkish presidents on Russia

01:04:07.500 --> 01:04:11.300
in decades. I mean what Trump is doing with Russia is literally

01:04:11.300 --> 01:04:15.100
threatening Global Extinction pulling out of the INF treaty.

01:04:15.100 --> 01:04:18.900
And then now threatening to kill the last remaining treaty

01:04:18.900 --> 01:04:22.600
limiting our nuclear stockpile as the new start treaty and you

01:04:22.600 --> 01:04:25.800
know launching a coup in Venezuela against the rush is a lie

01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:31.000
there trying to block a construction of a Russia German gas pipeline,

01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:38.200
which is a really important project thing is you know,

01:04:38.200 --> 01:04:41.000
that we'll be there in Amber one issue.

01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:52.400
I would think College email Matt sanctioned over but all that

01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:56.400
just gets ignored because it doesn't jibe with the narrative

01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:59.700
that liberals like Franklin fire in the Atlantic Avenue pushing

01:04:59.700 --> 01:05:02.600
and it's like people would rather live in a fantasy world in his

01:05:02.600 --> 01:05:06.800
company. Fantasy world a privilege protection protecting

01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:10.400
fantasy world then acknowledge policies that are literally

01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:12.000
threatening Global Extinction.

01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:13.900
It's like you challenge them is crazy.

01:05:13.900 --> 01:05:18.300
He is that there are people who are civilians who I respect

01:05:18.300 --> 01:05:24.300
their smart there Progressive, they like Sanders and they someone

01:05:24.300 --> 01:05:26.700
I was talking to yesterday was really upset.

01:05:26.700 --> 01:05:31.700
I was actually telling them about your clip Matt on Rising

01:05:31.700 --> 01:05:34.000
where you're talkin about the Flint story and how he was set

01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:37.600
up and this person was really upset and he was like a great

01:05:37.600 --> 01:05:40.000
Trump is just going to use this is going to win again.

01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:46.700
He's going to use this and I was like my fault it's not about

01:05:46.700 --> 01:05:48.300
this being reveal.

01:05:48.300 --> 01:05:52.000
Then I was like, this is why you can't build things on lies.

01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:56.100
It's just not going to work and that's what I find so frustrated and

01:05:56.100 --> 01:06:00.500
is that even if you are politically motivated and your goal

01:06:00.500 --> 01:06:03.100
is to defeat Trump, it's not good.

01:06:03.200 --> 01:06:03.600
work

01:06:04.900 --> 01:06:07.000
It's not an in this is where you know,

01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:11.500
people got duped and drinking the Kool-Aid and you know,

01:06:11.500 --> 01:06:16.700
for some people I understand it because you know Trump is so scary

01:06:16.700 --> 01:06:19.400
and the people around him are so scary and you know,

01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:23.400
there's obviously. It's totally justified to want him gone by

01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:27.400
any means necessary and the means we are presented where via

01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:30.800
this Russia investigation and Robert Mueller, so I get why it

01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:34.400
was alluring but for people whose job it is to collect information

01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:37.400
and relay it accurately to the public.

01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:41.500
I mean there it wasn't just fear of Trump trump,

01:06:41.500 --> 01:06:45.900
There was again this incentive to Peddle The Narrative

01:06:45.900 --> 01:06:48.000
because that's what was fashionable to The Establishment

01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.600
and that's who are way too many people got duped including

01:06:51.600 --> 01:06:55.100
in Progressive adversarial spaces like it's enough for me,

01:06:55.100 --> 01:06:59.500
but I'll tell you a story like I was talking to a major publisher

01:06:59.500 --> 01:07:02.500
about doing a book on this and the publisher told me,

01:07:02.500 --> 01:07:04.400
you know, I'd like to do it.

01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:05.300
But if I publish this

01:07:06.700 --> 01:07:12.800
Too many of my friends would be mad at me instead of the the

01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:16.900
mindset of where liberal culture was at especially under russiagate

01:07:16.900 --> 01:07:20.200
where it just you know, no matter the consequences no matter

01:07:20.200 --> 01:07:24.200
the merits it just this became this is just how you became

01:07:24.200 --> 01:07:28.100
accepted inside. The club is if you went along with this because

01:07:28.100 --> 01:07:29.200
that's what was presented to us.

01:07:29.200 --> 01:07:31.900
And you know, I get it if you know,

01:07:31.900 --> 01:07:36.200
like people like Franklin foyer other people who know who identify

01:07:36.200 --> 01:07:39.600
with the leadership of the democratic party I get why they went

01:07:39.600 --> 01:07:43.800
along but to see progressives get duped by it do to the something that

01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:46.600
was so destructive and so destructive to your progressives

01:07:46.600 --> 01:07:49.600
own agendas. I think there is a lesson there for a lot of people

01:07:49.600 --> 01:07:57.800
a lot of people to learn different from the wmd store in other

01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:01.000
words when that happened and that was a big feel similarly

01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:06.000
enormous Fiasco for journalism, but there was a an urge to

01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:12.200
Self audit after that mistake took place and work except for

01:08:12.200 --> 01:08:15.200
Erik wemple at the Washington Post.

01:08:15.200 --> 01:08:19.200
I can't think of anybody else who's even trying to go there

01:08:19.200 --> 01:08:23.000
now with this even though I mean you can make the argument

01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:26.000
that this is going to be even more cataclysmic for our reputation

01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:30.600
than that episode was with what what what changed in order

01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:35.900
or is it just a partisan issue mistakes?

01:08:41.100 --> 01:08:45.600
Part of it is I think you know hostility to Trump among the elite.

01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:47.500
I'm going to know the educated Elite,

01:08:47.500 --> 01:08:52.200
you know is so bipartisan to this point there many Republicans

01:08:52.200 --> 01:08:55.800
in privileged position to want him gone as well as people

01:08:55.800 --> 01:08:59.000
like, you know, David Frum in the never trumper's that that

01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:02.900
click and so just beat the space for any kind of descent

01:09:02.900 --> 01:09:06.600
inside that that spectrum is just as has been quashed out and

01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:10.900
I think the accusing people of being a trump supporter

01:09:10.900 --> 01:09:14.900
or whatever rushapol just I mean, that's I guess that's been

01:09:14.900 --> 01:09:16.800
an effective scare tactic for some people.

01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:19.800
Although again, it was whatever I get accused of that.

01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:22.700
I think I I tell me why I can't think of a bigger gift

01:09:22.700 --> 01:09:26.600
to Trump and a channel is resistance into a stupid Conspiracy

01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:28.500
Theory. What more can I get one more?

01:09:28.500 --> 01:09:31.300
Can you ask for that have instead of people being organized

01:09:31.300 --> 01:09:36.000
to around medicare-for-all or to protest the tax cut the the

01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:38.700
the biggest upper transfer of wealth u.s.

01:09:38.700 --> 01:09:40.800
History at the at the time maybe now the

01:09:41.200 --> 01:09:45.000
Coronavirus Dan was supposed to pass that but you know when

01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:48.800
Trump and Republicans passed a tax cut there were bigger protest

01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:50.200
to save Jeff sessions job.

01:09:50.200 --> 01:09:55.700
Then there were against the tax cut or then there were to save

01:09:55.700 --> 01:09:58.500
the Iran nuclear deal or the state of health care. I

01:09:58.500 --> 01:10:04.300
mean it reduce the resistance into such a such a joke and no

01:10:04.300 --> 01:10:07.500
wonder didn't remember at the beginning of the Trump ministration.

01:10:07.500 --> 01:10:11.100
There was some excitement, you know, there was the women's

01:10:11.100 --> 01:10:14.600
March there was there was the protest at the airport against

01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:16.900
the Muslim ban there was you know,

01:10:16.900 --> 01:10:20.300
a lot of sympathy for undocumented immigrants in the in the brutality

01:10:20.300 --> 01:10:22.200
that they were enduring and there was energy.

01:10:22.200 --> 01:10:25.900
Well then russiagate kicks into high gear and everybody

01:10:25.900 --> 01:10:28.000
gets kicked to the curb to the sidelines.

01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:31.000
And now the way to resist Trump is watching MSNBC everyday

01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:33.900
and waiting on Robert Mueller to to deliver the goods.

01:10:33.900 --> 01:10:36.700
So it was the most liked anti-progressive an anti-democratic

01:10:36.700 --> 01:10:40.700
thing and unfortunately, I think because it was so widely.

01:10:41.400 --> 01:10:44.300
Accepted by Elite opinion-makers.

01:10:44.300 --> 01:10:46.700
We're just not going to see any kind of buttocks.

01:10:46.700 --> 01:10:51.400
Look listen to I have to call people out here because when you

01:10:51.400 --> 01:10:55.700
even have a dress to Carol Outlet like democracy now and the

01:10:55.700 --> 01:10:58.400
intercepted many of my colleagues at the nation magazine

01:10:58.400 --> 01:11:00.100
buying into it, too.

01:11:00.100 --> 01:11:03.900
It's very hard for the mainstream line to be challenged

01:11:03.900 --> 01:11:07.400
because if even the people who traditionally are the ones pushing

01:11:07.400 --> 01:11:12.300
back and you know, breaking the sound barrier are now the ones

01:11:12.300 --> 01:11:15.000
parroting the same thing because I think a lot of people on the

01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.200
Progressive side just caught up in the excitement that it was going

01:11:17.200 --> 01:11:18.300
to bring down Donald Trump.

01:11:18.300 --> 01:11:25.600
It makes it impossible for any self-reflection were made very

01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:30.200
recently. Has anyone come forward to acknowledge them at all?

01:11:30.200 --> 01:11:34.300
No. No, it's it's it's a lot of just cowardice and people

01:11:34.300 --> 01:11:39.900
getting away with taking part in a scam that you know is to me

01:11:39.900 --> 01:11:41.000
on conscionable and

01:11:41.400 --> 01:11:44.700
But yet because it's so widespread and because the Skeptics

01:11:44.700 --> 01:11:51.300
quote on quote we're so demonized and you know it to come forward

01:11:51.300 --> 01:11:53.700
and have any Integrity. I

01:11:53.700 --> 01:12:06.700
think it's just how it is part of it right now cuz I

01:12:06.700 --> 01:12:09.000
like Christmas me too.

01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:13.900
But I feel like we would like to hear from him.

01:12:13.900 --> 01:12:17.000
You know, I know deep down he's a pu someone with integrity

01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:23.200
and with a lot of smarts very gifted and principles and so I feel

01:12:23.200 --> 01:12:25.900
for him. He isn't you know, and I don't judge him because

01:12:25.900 --> 01:12:28.600
you know, he has a family and he is in a very lucrative

01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:30.700
position hosting a cable news show.

01:12:30.700 --> 01:12:33.900
It's like, you know, it said it's has a lot of benefits

01:12:33.900 --> 01:12:38.900
and so I get that you know why he might choose to save it

01:12:38.900 --> 01:12:41.100
to to go along with things like Russia gate.

01:12:41.400 --> 01:12:43.900
Even if perhaps deep down he knows it's all a fraud because

01:12:43.900 --> 01:12:48.300
he had no other choice being and MSNBC but the way he rationalize

01:12:48.300 --> 01:12:52.200
it the way he rationalizes it now in this interview in the New

01:12:52.200 --> 01:12:52.500
Yorker.

01:12:53.500 --> 01:12:56.100
It's just pathetic and it's hilarious.

01:12:56.100 --> 01:12:58.400
We're basically so he's asked, you know,

01:12:58.400 --> 01:13:01.900
whether or not MSNBC of taking part in propagating conspiracy

01:13:01.900 --> 01:13:05.700
theories and you know, the obvious thing that's being referred to

01:13:05.700 --> 01:13:07.800
here is Russia gate and Chris actually acknowledged

01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:10.300
he has to now because it's you can't hide it anymore.

01:13:10.300 --> 01:13:13.700
Yes, there was a lot of craziness but what he does he blamed

01:13:13.700 --> 01:13:17.200
it on Russia and he says we can't deny Russia's agency here

01:13:17.200 --> 01:13:22.100
not in that, you know, they're at Bear the seed that flowered

01:13:22.100 --> 01:13:26.000
all of this and it goes on to compare what he says Russia

01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:30.400
did to people like him and making him cover russiagate

01:13:30.400 --> 01:13:34.400
from the point of view of pushing the Collision theory for 3 years.

01:13:34.400 --> 01:13:39.400
And by the way, excluding all Skeptics including Matt who was

01:13:39.400 --> 01:13:43.400
on Chris's show in early one of us who were the last skeptic.

01:13:43.400 --> 01:13:45.400
I know you were on in like early 2017.

01:13:45.400 --> 01:13:50.600
I think Glenn was on Ari melber show in like December 2016.

01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:52.400
You guys are like the last one.

01:13:53.500 --> 01:13:58.000
So Chris is basically blaming Russia for the back of the excluded

01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:01.600
Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald for over three years while

01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:05.300
mean while pushing, you know, all this propaganda that Trump

01:14:05.300 --> 01:14:09.400
and Russia pranks and he saying that goes on the compare

01:14:09.400 --> 01:14:13.400
it to what the FBI did to the Black Panthers with like harassment

01:14:13.400 --> 01:14:18.800
and propaganda be at what is this song?

01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:24.000
It's like the irony there in the in the hilarity is like it's

01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:29.600
like is there too much to figure out how funny that is because

01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:33.900
first of all the FBI was like literally a Fascinating

01:14:33.900 --> 01:14:38.400
People or LOL and and harassing people in making people's

01:14:38.400 --> 01:14:40.700
lives miserable. So he sound like comparing that to what do you

01:14:40.700 --> 01:14:44.500
imagine Russia did to him by what life like,

01:14:44.500 --> 01:14:48.400
how did Russia make Chris Hayes not interview any Skeptics

01:14:48.400 --> 01:14:49.500
for 3 years and make him

01:14:53.400 --> 01:14:57.800
Yeah, right. So and then and then and then and then also another

01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:01.500
irony is that the people who are attacking the Black Panthers

01:15:01.500 --> 01:15:05.300
wear the same intelligence officials who Chris Hayes was worshipping

01:15:05.300 --> 01:15:08.900
on his show every single night as his colleagues.

01:15:08.900 --> 01:15:13.600
So John Brennan, the director of the CIA is now and MSNBC analysts.

01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.300
So it's like it's what happens when you're highly educated

01:15:16.300 --> 01:15:20.500
and you're welcome and you need to come up with a educated

01:15:20.500 --> 01:15:24.900
woke explanation for why you serve as a tool of the establishment

01:15:24.900 --> 01:15:29.500
pushing the dumbest conspiracy theory ever for 3 years,

01:15:29.500 --> 01:15:30.200
and that's what he came up with.

01:15:30.200 --> 01:15:33.900
And then he also comes up with this like epistemic.

01:15:33.900 --> 01:15:37.600
Jargon where he says there's something fairly endemic about

01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:41.200
about the process of I got buying into conspiracy theories

01:15:41.200 --> 01:15:43.600
as if we're all just predisposed to do that when they'll

01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:47.100
really the reason why he did that was because that was the narrative

01:15:47.100 --> 01:15:50.600
that MSNBC in lockstep Democratic party establishment.

01:15:51.400 --> 01:15:53.400
Push for 3 years and you know,

01:15:53.400 --> 01:15:55.700
it's funny to see in that try to rationalize and explained

01:15:55.700 --> 01:16:02.200
it the agency part because you don't give agency to Bad actors.

01:16:02.200 --> 01:16:03.600
I mean again, it's just there's so much.

01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:05.300
I mean that's not the train right?

01:16:05.300 --> 01:16:08.700
If you tend to give agency when you're engaged in this discourse

01:16:08.700 --> 01:16:13.000
to people who are less powerful, right?

01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:14.800
But it's funny.

01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:16.400
It's like don't fantasize Russia.

01:16:16.400 --> 01:16:21.400
Yeah. It's a total nightmare.

01:16:21.400 --> 01:16:42.300
In-N-Out lizard is coming out today that they're releasing

01:16:42.300 --> 01:16:49.900
names of people who made requests to unmask the names of folks

01:16:49.900 --> 01:16:52.700
like Michael Flynn people who Surveilled under programs

01:16:52.700 --> 01:16:57.100
like fisa for those who don't know like you we don't actively

01:16:57.100 --> 01:17:01.500
allegedly any we don't we don't actively listen to Americans

01:17:01.500 --> 01:17:05.700
who are foreign intelligence surveillance programs, but upon

01:17:05.700 --> 01:17:13.700
request the FBI can on a mask of these names and you can find

01:17:13.700 --> 01:17:16.800
out whatever conversations they might have with foreign surveilled

01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:20.400
an individual's. So we're finding all this stuff about surveillance

01:17:20.400 --> 01:17:24.400
practices. And I guess the question I have for you is what's

01:17:24.400 --> 01:17:30.000
your take on how Russia got started was this was this is this

01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:33.300
just something that developed as a course of our routine

01:17:33.300 --> 01:17:37.200
overuse of these kinds of surveillance practices,

01:17:37.200 --> 01:17:41.700
or was it something as like the way they believe is it was a

01:17:41.700 --> 01:17:45.700
specific massive conspiracy to go out for Donald Trump or was

01:17:45.700 --> 01:17:48.600
it they actually believe Russia was up to something and they

01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:50.400
they just got in over their heads.

01:17:51.400 --> 01:17:56.100
I definitely think there was it was at least partly driven

01:17:56.100 --> 01:17:59.000
by hostility. Not just a trumpet people like Michael Flynn

01:17:59.000 --> 01:18:03.800
because you know even know that like when Trump and Obama met

01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:07.800
after Trump won that Obama tried to warn Trump not to hire Flynn

01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:13.400
was like why would Trump listen to the guy from the party that

01:18:13.400 --> 01:18:17.000
he just defeated like, you know, I'd like it's a 10 anyway,

01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:19.900
and there's there's animus towards Flynn for various reasons.

01:18:19.900 --> 01:18:23.800
Apparently, he has a bad reputation among some people inside

01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:27.700
the intelligence community and he also was instrumental

01:18:27.700 --> 01:18:36.700
in criticizing and actually publicly exactly like he raised,

01:18:36.700 --> 01:18:39.700
you know, when he headed the defense intelligence agency,

01:18:39.700 --> 01:18:44.300
you know, he his idea a producer report the basic Point let the

01:18:44.300 --> 01:18:47.400
people that the US was going to be supporting in Syria.

01:18:47.400 --> 01:18:51.200
We're really effectively Al Qaeda and Isis and that the more

01:18:51.300 --> 01:18:55.200
The us if you was engaged in a proxy war to undermine decide

01:18:55.200 --> 01:18:59.900
that al-qaida and and Isis would be strengthened and then Flynn

01:18:59.900 --> 01:19:04.300
also helped raise questions about claims that the Syrian government

01:19:04.300 --> 01:19:08.200
committed chemical attacks in in Goot especially so there was

01:19:08.200 --> 01:19:11.100
animus towards plan and I think certainly he's definitely

01:19:11.100 --> 01:19:13.700
targeted. I mean, there's all these crazy stories you written

01:19:13.700 --> 01:19:17.500
about that that russian-born academic who was crazy.

01:19:17.500 --> 01:19:20.400
I got fake like they used her as a fake.

01:19:20.400 --> 01:19:23.900
She didn't realize it but they try to basically use her as a fake

01:19:23.900 --> 01:19:26.500
Honeypot against Flynn and accused him of having an affair.

01:19:26.500 --> 01:19:29.500
And so there was some kind of operation being ran against

01:19:29.500 --> 01:19:33.900
Flynn and then yeah people obviously did not like John Brennan

01:19:33.900 --> 01:19:37.700
has made no secret of how much he were a vial of Donald Trump

01:19:37.700 --> 01:19:40.900
and John Brennan play the instrumental role in this whole thing

01:19:40.900 --> 01:19:42.300
from the beginning.

01:19:42.300 --> 01:19:45.000
He shared intelligence with all sorts of people.

01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:47.900
I believe you responsible for some of the key leaks,

01:19:47.900 --> 01:19:50.400
especially in the summer of 2016.

01:19:50.400 --> 01:19:56.800
So, I think it's a combination of animus towards people explain

01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:01.700
and Trump. Maybe also they were trying to undermine Trump stated

01:20:01.700 --> 01:20:05.100
call for better relations with Russia because you know on the

01:20:05.100 --> 01:20:07.700
campaign Trail Trump was saying all these unorthodox things

01:20:07.700 --> 01:20:11.800
like he wanted to end, you know us intervention in Libya and

01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:14.100
Syria, and he want to have better relations with Russia,

01:20:14.100 --> 01:20:17.900
which at the time was not a popular Democratic party talking

01:20:17.900 --> 01:20:20.300
point and I think they're I mean,

01:20:20.300 --> 01:20:23.700
I'm only guessing but maybe there are people inside the National

01:20:23.700 --> 01:20:26.300
Security State who didn't want that and wanted to undermine

01:20:26.300 --> 01:20:30.700
that and basically painting Trump with this impression

01:20:30.700 --> 01:20:33.600
that he was complicit with a foreign power with Russia was one

01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:38.900
way to undermine him and train him and one way to push his administration

01:20:38.900 --> 01:20:42.700
no matter what is what no matter what its intentions were in a

01:20:42.700 --> 01:20:44.900
hawkish direction, you know, so for example,

01:20:44.900 --> 01:20:48.900
you know chunk came in chocolate having better relations

01:20:48.900 --> 01:20:52.600
with Russia, but then he's accused Sleeping a Putin puppet.

01:20:52.600 --> 01:20:56.100
So he takes a series of steps that I think help show that he's

01:20:56.100 --> 01:21:00.400
not including for example sending weapons to Ukraine that the

01:21:00.400 --> 01:21:03.400
same weapons that Obama refused to send what he was in office

01:21:03.400 --> 01:21:05.700
because he didn't want to take them to go to neo-nazis

01:21:05.700 --> 01:21:08.100
and didn't want to further inflame a proxy war.

01:21:08.100 --> 01:21:11.900
So I mean, I I can only guess as to what the motors were

01:21:11.900 --> 01:21:14.700
but I don't think it was accidental certainly not I think there

01:21:14.700 --> 01:21:20.800
was some kind of effort here to tank Trump and maybe there

01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:27.500
were some kind of geopolitical motive involved there is there's

01:21:27.500 --> 01:21:30.400
a couple of questions or do you think that they would have done

01:21:30.400 --> 01:21:33.600
this if they had any idea that any of this would have been been

01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:36.900
made public? I mean, is it possible that some of this happen

01:21:36.900 --> 01:21:41.600
just because their elements that feel like like they were just

01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:44.200
that they did they do this these kind of surveillance

01:21:44.200 --> 01:21:47.800
is where they are as a matter of routine and they just it just

01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:48.300
got out of hand.

01:21:48.300 --> 01:21:50.900
There's some evidence that they've done these kinds of dawn

01:21:50.900 --> 01:21:57.100
mask. Before but I just can't I can't understand how they how they

01:21:57.100 --> 01:22:01.200
let this get so out of control and how they thought

01:22:01.200 --> 01:22:02.000
it would all play out.

01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:05.500
Well in the end it at some point they must have sincerely

01:22:05.500 --> 01:22:06.800
believe that there were something there.

01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:10.500
I feeling I conclude I don't share that conclusion.

01:22:10.500 --> 01:22:15.900
No, I think they started something based on totally overzealously

01:22:15.900 --> 01:22:19.300
based on the ridiculous Papadopoulos tip, then they expanded

01:22:19.300 --> 01:22:23.500
it to other people then they commit fraud on the fisa court

01:22:23.500 --> 01:22:26.100
by using the Steele dossier and getting the wiretap on Carter

01:22:26.100 --> 01:22:29.300
page and then they keep going even after Trump takes office

01:22:29.300 --> 01:22:34.100
and at the end they go after Flynn I think possibly could split

01:22:34.100 --> 01:22:36.800
it and it is in a position cuz he has Intelligence experience

01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:42.200
to get in their way and a lot of this seems aimed at getting

01:22:42.200 --> 01:22:44.100
Altima getting a special counsel appointed.

01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:51.200
And then I can bring Trump down whether it's on some fake collusion

01:22:51.200 --> 01:22:53.000
thing or get him on obstruction.

01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:56.600
So I certainly think these people don't like Trump for their

01:22:56.600 --> 01:22:58.700
own reasons. Not for the reasons. I

01:22:58.700 --> 01:23:03.100
don't like Trump but I don't think they saw him as a suitable

01:23:03.100 --> 01:23:07.700
Steward of the you know us Empire and I think from there you

01:23:07.700 --> 01:23:12.100
would have this deliberate effort to make life hard for him and

01:23:12.100 --> 01:23:17.200
even even bring him down push back on that point that you just

01:23:17.200 --> 01:23:24.900
made about the thesis that maybe Trump was trying to appeal

01:23:24.900 --> 01:23:28.900
to Liberal pressure to be more hawkish ranger vaginus,

01:23:28.900 --> 01:23:33.000
but I think that even if we don't know the motives that certainly

01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:37.500
created the space for him to do that right like assistants

01:23:37.500 --> 01:23:41.400
did not organized around pressuring Trump to not do that.

01:23:41.400 --> 01:23:44.300
Like we are they didn't organize around not arming Ukraine.

01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:49.600
Yeah, I don't know if if Trump maybe Trump would have been just

01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:51.800
as hawkish on Russia even without this whole thing. I

01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:52.400
think it's quite possible.

01:23:52.400 --> 01:23:56.100
The people around him are all neelkanth and the one person

01:23:56.100 --> 01:23:59.000
who was talking about cooperating with Russia Flynn.

01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:02.400
He was he was like they got rid of him pretty early on so,

01:24:02.400 --> 01:24:06.600
you know, I don't I don't blame liberal pressure entirely

01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:09.900
for Trump being a rush Aqua certainly didn't help and it just

01:24:09.900 --> 01:24:12.700
raises questions. Why should liberals be encouraging

01:24:12.700 --> 01:24:16.500
Trump to you know, escalate tensions with the other with the

01:24:16.500 --> 01:24:22.700
world other nuclear power whether or not it it's directly

01:24:22.700 --> 01:24:23.700
made him do that.

01:24:23.700 --> 01:24:25.300
So you lost friends over this.

01:24:25.300 --> 01:24:26.700
I mean, like what?

01:24:26.700 --> 01:24:30.900
What's what's one of the last few years been like for you because

01:24:30.900 --> 01:24:33.600
you know, obviously they're there weren't that many folks who

01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:36.200
were doing what you were doing and it was probably pretty

01:24:36.200 --> 01:24:38.900
lonely place. And what what was your decision-making

01:24:38.900 --> 01:24:41.500
like when you decided?

01:24:41.500 --> 01:24:44.600
Okay, I'm going to say this in public and

01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:46.000
I'm not going to say this.

01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:47.900
What was that experience?

01:24:47.900 --> 01:24:50.100
Like I have lost friend.

01:24:50.100 --> 01:24:50.500
Let me know.

01:24:50.500 --> 01:24:54.000
It's super close friends, but right I mean all my super close

01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:56.300
friends just thought the whole thing was hilarious from the start

01:24:56.300 --> 01:25:04.700
and no one you know, and but you know who I've known for a

01:25:04.700 --> 01:25:09.000
long time and I still think you could work but it became like,

01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:10.700
you know pushing back on this.

01:25:10.700 --> 01:25:14.800
I think they in their mind Associated that with some kind of support

01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:18.900
for Trump somehow when really from a partisan point of view.

01:25:18.900 --> 01:25:22.100
I was trying to help avoid hand Trump.

01:25:22.100 --> 01:25:27.100
I think the biggest reelection gift he can get and it's so you

01:25:27.100 --> 01:25:27.500
know, but

01:25:28.900 --> 01:25:31.500
And I've lost you know, and it's it's been sad to me especially,

01:25:31.500 --> 01:25:36.100
you know democracy Now is where I worked for 10 years and I love

01:25:36.100 --> 01:25:38.100
that show is where I learned to do journalism,

01:25:38.100 --> 01:25:42.000
even before I work there I was a big fan of it and you

01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:44.700
know to their credit they had on Glenn Greenwald sometimes

01:25:44.700 --> 01:25:48.600
but otherwise when he wasn't on there what they had on,

01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:52.600
you know, Marcy wheeler was their top russiagate analyst

01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:55.000
and she was one of the leading conspiracy theorist out there

01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:59.500
even went to the FBI claiming that she had like to burn a source

01:25:59.500 --> 01:26:00.700
which is a whole other story.

01:26:00.700 --> 01:26:03.000
So it was depressing to see, you know,

01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:07.200
Noble institutions in an old colleagues fall for it and push

01:26:07.200 --> 01:26:11.800
it and even when being told the oven and still not being still

01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:14.800
not correcting themselves because I think it just pisses what

01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:18.000
was fashionable for for so long and so,

01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:22.500
you know. But I dinna look I do the process of also just you

01:26:22.500 --> 01:26:25.100
know, I met a whole bunch of all different people and I met a

01:26:25.100 --> 01:26:27.100
lot of trump supporters or otherwise would never would have

01:26:27.100 --> 01:26:31.500
met and I in Why I gave the window into their thinking it to

01:26:31.500 --> 01:26:33.700
how they see the world in, you know,

01:26:33.700 --> 01:26:36.400
I don't agree with them, but I appreciate the opportunity

01:26:36.400 --> 01:26:41.500
to interact with with anybody and I also know you know,

01:26:41.500 --> 01:26:43.800
you know out of all this, you know,

01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:47.500
I join the grey Zone with Max Blumenthal and Max's,

01:26:47.500 --> 01:26:51.000
you know, like I'm compromising his principles and I think

01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:52.100
it's a terrific journalist.

01:26:52.100 --> 01:26:55.100
So, you know, we've been able to to grow out of bed until you

01:26:55.100 --> 01:26:58.300
know, recognize those who share our values and I don't work

01:26:58.300 --> 01:26:59.400
with them and they so you know,

01:26:59.400 --> 01:27:01.400
it's actually been been heartening.

01:27:01.400 --> 01:27:06.400
It was just sad seeing like those moments when it's the same

01:27:06.400 --> 01:27:08.700
everybody was going along with it if there was some lonely

01:27:08.700 --> 01:27:11.700
moments I guess but you know, that's just whatever I can handle

01:27:11.700 --> 01:27:17.800
that. So guess you haven't

01:27:18.700 --> 01:27:19.400
I pushed back.

01:27:19.400 --> 01:27:21.100
You know, that's what I do push back.

01:27:21.100 --> 01:27:25.600
Yeah, I I try to interview people and I try to have as many

01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:30.600
You know an adversarial discussions as I can though.

01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:33.100
It's getting harder and harder especially on a rush to get like

01:27:33.100 --> 01:27:38.100
Glenn just tweeted something about how he has a new show intercept

01:27:38.100 --> 01:27:40.900
system update and he says that he invited on a whole bunch

01:27:40.900 --> 01:27:42.700
of Russia gate planets to talk to him,

01:27:42.700 --> 01:27:44.700
but nobody nobody agreed.

01:27:44.700 --> 01:27:54.800
So I am and that the gray Zone and I also do other journalism

01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:57.900
at the grey Zone 2 along with my colleagues Max Blumenthal

01:27:57.900 --> 01:27:59.700
in on your farm bill in Bend,

01:27:59.700 --> 01:28:06.700
Oregon russiagate isn't particularly my Lane, but it's definitely

01:28:06.700 --> 01:28:11.300
become awkward at like certain holiday parties for people

01:28:11.300 --> 01:28:12.400
who don't accept it.

01:28:12.400 --> 01:28:20.100
Russia gate has kind of births than you report Orioles style.

01:28:20.100 --> 01:28:26.100
I like a very vague question, but I feel like I see elements.

01:28:26.600 --> 01:28:32.000
The same approach in lots of different stories now where they'll

01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:36.300
be a bit or a hint of something that will appear in the news.

01:28:36.300 --> 01:28:39.600
Then it will be just this blizzard of editorializing

01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:43.200
that happens around it before anybody really knows what what's

01:28:43.200 --> 01:28:46.400
actually happening with with the story and I feel like that

01:28:46.400 --> 01:28:50.000
was a characteristic of of all these Bombshells in in Russia.

01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:54.400
They were they were somehow it's almost pre factual right though.

01:28:54.400 --> 01:28:57.500
It would be outraged happened before the information

01:28:57.500 --> 01:29:02.700
was conveyed and it's almost become part of like the commercial

01:29:02.700 --> 01:29:07.800
formula of how we how we sell news hasn't it?

01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:11.200
I don't know if it's a big question,

01:29:11.200 --> 01:29:16.200
but I know I totally agree I think of if there's any precedent

01:29:16.200 --> 01:29:18.600
for it before russiagate but no, I mean literally,

01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:22.400
you know some you know, like it just randomly.

01:29:22.400 --> 01:29:25.600
I remember it like it was one day when hope Hicks Road some

01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:26.200
email.

01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:30.800
And it was released in that became like msnbc's wall-to-wall

01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:34.600
coverage for like 4 hours and it's all this ephemeral garbage

01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:38.500
that proves nothing and shows nothing but yet because it's Sensational.

01:29:38.500 --> 01:29:42.600
It just gets it was pounced on and you no matter how many times

01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:47.000
is Bombshells where retracted I mean, there's so many of them.

01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:52.400
Now you moved on by the time the retracted you're like 8 Scandal

01:29:52.400 --> 01:29:53.200
down the road.

01:29:53.200 --> 01:29:54.400
So it doesn't matter right?

01:29:54.400 --> 01:30:02.700
I mean the formula for the business at the material for all of

01:30:02.700 --> 01:30:06.000
its flaws and all the things that we dislike about it,

01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:11.200
like people like us it was successful financially for these

01:30:11.200 --> 01:30:12.200
companies wasn't it?

01:30:12.200 --> 01:30:17.400
Oh my God, I was doing so well before russiagate but this is huge

01:30:17.400 --> 01:30:19.000
for them cuz every night, you know,

01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:21.300
they were presenting people with this real-life spy Thriller

01:30:21.300 --> 01:30:24.400
with the added incentive that it was going to bring down the

01:30:24.400 --> 01:30:26.400
president that everybody hates, you know.

01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:30.400
So, you know, it's like watching Rachel Maddow became like a ritual

01:30:30.400 --> 01:30:40.300
for Liberal America and left and I'm I talked to some people

01:30:40.300 --> 01:30:43.300
who got caught up in it and they like there's a sentence

01:30:43.300 --> 01:30:46.700
like fatigue on them where they were like the cap holding

01:30:46.700 --> 01:30:49.800
on I kept watching and it was like there was always the sense that

01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:52.600
the bombshell was about to drop that the Smoking Gun was

01:30:52.600 --> 01:30:56.900
coming but it never came and finally they gave up and it was

01:30:56.900 --> 01:31:00.900
like letting go of a of a relative because it's got so emotional

01:31:00.900 --> 01:31:04.800
for somebody people it really it's such a successful propaganda

01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:08.900
operation. Probably more successful than the Iraq War.

01:31:08.900 --> 01:31:17.000
I mean there was some patriotism jingoism that happened

01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:20.600
there. But this was this stuff touch people in this Elemental

01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:23.700
way and they they weren't able to stay away from it.

01:31:23.700 --> 01:31:26.400
And that was just extremely success.

01:31:26.600 --> 01:31:30.200
I worry that it's going to turn into you know,

01:31:30.200 --> 01:31:34.100
how you do things in the future.

01:31:34.100 --> 01:31:36.100
I mean, you don't even need a whole lot of information

01:31:36.100 --> 01:31:37.100
to do it.

01:31:37.100 --> 01:31:38.300
That's the beauty of it.

01:31:38.300 --> 01:31:42.300
That's a scary thought but I think that's quite quite precious

01:31:42.300 --> 01:31:48.800
and it does seem like a man about it and that you just brought

01:31:48.800 --> 01:31:53.700
up the comparison between the The wmd Narrative and the Russia

01:31:53.700 --> 01:31:56.000
gate narrative. It does seem like one of the issues is that

01:31:56.000 --> 01:32:00.000
there isn't any direct obvious Fallout, right?

01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:04.800
Like I think people were in some ways force to reckon with the

01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:07.700
wmds because there was Brazil as much less complicated

01:32:07.700 --> 01:32:11.800
in this story in terms of keeping track of all the moving

01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:13.700
pieces like either they were wmds.

01:32:13.700 --> 01:32:17.300
There are there were also it was from the beginning much more

01:32:17.300 --> 01:32:21.000
parties in so you did have while you had some terrible lives

01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:25.400
supporting Bush a lot of them didn't and yeah,

01:32:25.400 --> 01:32:26.400
there wasn't a war.

01:32:26.500 --> 01:32:28.600
Cars that has come from this despite,

01:32:28.600 --> 01:32:32.400
you know, it's the comparing it to Pearl Harbor which would

01:32:32.400 --> 01:32:35.500
require us or could lead to another world war.

01:32:35.500 --> 01:32:38.100
But I do wonder if that's also part of it.

01:32:38.100 --> 01:32:42.200
Okay. Just wasting everyone's time and really it just was a massive

01:32:42.200 --> 01:32:47.800
time with now if Trump gets re-elected though that I think

01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:53.500
will be the catastrophe that russiagate has really right because

01:32:53.500 --> 01:32:56.800
you know all the time spent talking about

01:32:57.800 --> 01:33:02.300
You know Russian social media posts and email hacking and a pee

01:33:02.300 --> 01:33:03.200
tape and all this stuff.

01:33:03.200 --> 01:33:06.000
That just is not just fiction.

01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:09.300
But also, you know that the issue is not with no relationship

01:33:09.300 --> 01:33:11.600
that people was actually material needs.

01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:15.700
It's also upper-class and removed from everyday life will have

01:33:15.700 --> 01:33:20.000
just been a huge wasted opportunity that we're Democrats

01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:22.800
have been mobilizing a real opposition to Trump around real

01:33:22.800 --> 01:33:26.600
issues. It got channeled into this fiction in if if if Trump

01:33:26.600 --> 01:33:29.900
gets re-elected, I think Russia gate will be you know,

01:33:29.900 --> 01:33:35.600
a big reason why he gets a lot of get-out-of-jail-free

01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:38.200
cards because the media just lose our credibility.

01:33:38.200 --> 01:33:45.500
What would what would the pandemic look like right now and would

01:33:45.500 --> 01:33:48.200
people be more trusting of the media when the me to accurately

01:33:48.200 --> 01:33:52.300
tells people that Trump has mishandled it and that this is serious

01:33:52.300 --> 01:33:55.900
would things be different if the same media hadn't been telling

01:33:55.900 --> 01:33:58.600
people for three years that Trump Russian agent,

01:33:58.600 --> 01:34:01.300
you know, we can't be more trust and it's also really condescending

01:34:01.300 --> 01:34:05.800
for when you see pundits now making fun of people who watch

01:34:05.800 --> 01:34:08.600
Fox News and who believe some of the conspiracy theories

01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:12.400
that have been put out now, but it's really hypocritical

01:34:12.400 --> 01:34:14.500
for them to make fun of anybody believes in conspiracy

01:34:14.500 --> 01:34:19.300
theories, when know it was liberal opinion that was pushing

01:34:19.300 --> 01:34:24.000
the dumbest conspiracy theory ever for over three years and refusing

01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:26.900
to abandon it despite all the countervailing evidence.

01:34:26.900 --> 01:34:30.800
So there's actually a lot of projection going on when you know,

01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:35.300
Fox News viewers are mocked and edit because you know at the

01:34:35.300 --> 01:34:39.100
highest levels of cortical respectable opinion, the word conspiracy

01:34:39.100 --> 01:34:42.500
of the mall was what was in style amazing.

01:34:42.500 --> 01:34:46.300
Thank you so much for coming on congratulations on sticking

01:34:46.300 --> 01:34:48.300
to this through the through this all these years.

01:34:48.300 --> 01:34:51.500
I've done a great job and and hope to have you on again.

01:34:51.500 --> 01:34:52.900
Thanks a lot for a job.

01:34:56.200 --> 01:34:57.400
Wow, that was great.

01:34:57.400 --> 01:35:01.700
It was great to 10 it a question.

01:35:01.700 --> 01:35:04.900
That's right back on.

01:35:04.900 --> 01:35:09.600
Let's just say that on on his behalf.

01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:14.100
You would have demurred and you would have you would have taken

01:35:14.100 --> 01:35:21.500
no position. That's so as not to offend you and Boot It.

01:35:21.500 --> 01:35:32.300
Yeah, it was great the way he handles this in public is that

01:35:32.300 --> 01:35:36.800
he he he takes a lot of people on on social media,

01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:40.900
but he he's never nasty about it kind of always maintains

01:35:40.900 --> 01:35:41.600
is like even

01:35:42.400 --> 01:35:44.700
Strain some on me so much of myself.

01:35:44.700 --> 01:35:50.200
If you're like peas in a pod right now.

01:35:50.200 --> 01:35:53.500
He's taking a lot of abuse over the years and he's he's really

01:35:53.500 --> 01:35:56.600
hung in there and has been consistent.

01:35:56.600 --> 01:36:04.900
So he is great but it was really interesting and there's

01:36:04.900 --> 01:36:06.400
going to be more on this story.

01:36:06.400 --> 01:36:09.600
Fortunately coming out so we should probably have him on again

01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:13.900
at some point but still frustrating the lack of accountability

01:36:13.900 --> 01:36:20.200
for a reason yet about this year.

01:36:20.200 --> 01:36:22.200
Franklin Flores is massive new story about

01:36:23.300 --> 01:36:27.000
The next round of Russian interference but among these new Revelations

01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:29.000
that came out this week.

01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:32.600
It turns out that the Earth the source the original source

01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:36.100
for that story about Russia communicating without communicating

01:36:36.100 --> 01:36:41.200
with Alpha Bank was a DNC lawyer named Michael Sussman.

01:36:41.200 --> 01:36:45.100
That's what one of these nuts so that that whole story was is

01:36:45.100 --> 01:36:49.400
complete will gossip and you know, if you were the person

01:36:49.400 --> 01:36:54.600
who did that story which wire is normally at this point you be

01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:57.100
publicly kind of hanging your head and saying I'm sorry,

01:36:57.100 --> 01:36:59.600
you know, like, you know asking for forgiveness,

01:36:59.600 --> 01:37:02.200
but instead they're just doubling down which is

01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:04.100
It's kind of amazing.

01:37:04.100 --> 01:37:07.100
It's it's actually impressive one on some level,

01:37:07.100 --> 01:37:17.700
you know yourself if I want that too kind of self-confidence

01:37:17.700 --> 01:37:30.000
play. I think thanks to everybody keep sending us pictures

01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:30.700
of Kurt loder.

01:37:30.700 --> 01:37:39.200
We should be fine.

01:37:39.200 --> 01:37:42.600
Anytime. If you have a time traveling device and you can reach

01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:45.600
reach Kurt loder in 1398, let us know.

01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:51.800
I don't watch pod save America is even less.

01:37:51.800 --> 01:37:55.500
I am really mad about it now and get merch get March you guys

01:37:55.500 --> 01:37:57.600
want her to this pandemic?

01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:04.500
And send us your questions.

01:38:04.500 --> 01:38:05.500
You can tag.

01:38:05.500 --> 01:38:10.700
Me and Matt tag mad at MTV and I'm letter k letter t h

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a l p s.