WEBVTT 00:00:03.100 --> 00:00:09.000 Welcome to useful idiots. 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:16.100 This is our first post inauguration recording and today in a special time 00:00:16.100 --> 00:00:19.900 racism in imperialism are over the all over the world 00:00:19.900 --> 00:00:25.100 is back. Actually it's it's now advance to to a state of pure 00:00:25.100 --> 00:00:29.600 awesomeness Enlightenment. Who else would we want to talk about 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:33.600 this way? Then the most enlightened person who ever talk to us 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:35.700 and that's of course Thomas Frank Thomas Frank. 00:00:35.700 --> 00:00:37.900 He's going to join us the whole show Welcome Tom. 00:00:37.900 --> 00:00:40.800 Yeah. I'm glad to be here and spread my Enlightenment. 00:00:40.800 --> 00:00:46.700 We're basking. That's what this is the collective asking for 00:00:46.700 --> 00:00:48.400 recording after the inauguration. 00:00:48.400 --> 00:00:54.400 So we're we're in the middle of a feeling of great joy among 00:00:54.400 --> 00:00:59.200 the Tom. What was your day? 00:01:03.100 --> 00:01:07.500 I was just so relieved I woke up this morning and the world 00:01:07.500 --> 00:01:11.100 was still adding the world was still turning and Donald Trump's 00:01:11.100 --> 00:01:13.200 helicopter was on his way out of DC. 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:16.400 I was that was that made me happy. 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:20.300 And then nobody stepped up and gave his Dreadful speech and it 00:01:20.300 --> 00:01:29.400 was Dreadful it was okay, but it was the thing is what flavor 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:30.900 of dreadful. Okay? 00:01:30.900 --> 00:01:43.000 Haha. Yeah, which ones did you go to to Trump's? 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:48.000 And I went to Obama's but I didn't I actually didn't go to the 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:53.000 mall that day was too crowded I went the day before and I remember 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:57.000 the first one I ever watched was Jimmy Carter in 6 I was in 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.500 sixth grade and then we all they pulled us all out of class 00:02:00.500 --> 00:02:03.300 and we all sat in front of a big TV and watched and I 00:02:03.300 --> 00:02:08.100 will tell you I was 11 and I really admired. 00:02:08.100 --> 00:02:10.400 I mean when you're that age, you know, 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:14.200 and he seems like such a good guy compared to Nixon and all that 00:02:14.200 --> 00:02:24.300 and Carter actually alike called lash into I don't know the whole 00:02:24.300 --> 00:02:28.400 story Carteret had a conversation with lash and out of that 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:32.600 conversation came his worst speech which was the famous male 00:02:32.600 --> 00:02:39.200 hero inspired the malaise speech. 00:02:44.100 --> 00:02:48.200 Was when I watched it, I was in another my parents bedroom 00:02:48.200 --> 00:02:50.000 in our Suburban home in Prairie Village, 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:54.700 Kansas. And I and I thought Jimmy Carter was so great. 00:02:54.700 --> 00:02:59.600 We have this philosopher president use so smart and then like 00:02:59.600 --> 00:03:02.200 it took several days for the media to decide. 00:03:02.200 --> 00:03:08.900 This was the worst be fantastic. 00:03:08.900 --> 00:03:13.500 If so, how does that compare with with with today though? 00:03:13.500 --> 00:03:16.500 I'm trying to remember what Carter actually said in his inaugural. 00:03:16.500 --> 00:03:21.000 I was trying to be like all the different things that we're 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:27.100 at a empty about American Life in Biden's speech in a week. 00:03:27.100 --> 00:03:29.000 You are we are a good people, 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.800 you know, are we all need to come together? 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:33.200 We need to end this. 00:03:33.200 --> 00:03:37.000 Of what? Did he call it an uncivil War right? 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:38.600 Very Carter esque. 00:03:38.600 --> 00:03:40.800 No, maybe you guys sounded Biden speech was excellent. 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:45.600 I just thought it was like Anodyne in like it was so like a 00:03:45.600 --> 00:03:50.400 dial service Beach where they just kind of threw a bunch of cliches 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:55.200 and memory whatsoever. 00:03:55.200 --> 00:03:58.400 What was said I've read it three times and I'm having trouble 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:03.100 remembering it is exactly right. 00:04:03.100 --> 00:04:07.100 I mean it is exactly it's just one cliche after another and you 00:04:07.100 --> 00:04:09.900 know, they had that long quotation that he said was from a song. 00:04:09.900 --> 00:04:11.900 I looked I looked it up. 00:04:11.900 --> 00:04:15.600 It's from ABBA song that yes, it's the theme song of a Ken Burns 00:04:15.600 --> 00:04:26.500 special really good morning birthday special about World War 00:04:26.500 --> 00:04:32.200 series and he also echoed really strongly a very Ken Burns 00:04:32.200 --> 00:04:36.000 ask historian, which is Jon Meacham all that crap about the better 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:38.000 at better angels of our nature. 00:04:39.200 --> 00:04:42.300 That working for Biotin and didn't tell MSNBC. 00:04:42.300 --> 00:04:45.800 Yes. Well, yeah, but that's like biting has been echoing 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:47.100 him all through the whole campaign. 00:04:47.100 --> 00:04:51.600 I mean, that's that's that this this is this is a master of cliches 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:53.100 that we're talking about here, you know, 00:04:53.100 --> 00:05:06.400 the cliche ideas cliche Expressions me, which is I was looking 00:05:06.400 --> 00:05:10.300 up exactly a hundred years ago on a different inaugural 00:05:10.300 --> 00:05:26.900 yet. But what presidential inauguration I have to tell you exactly 00:05:26.900 --> 00:05:28.000 one hundred years ago. 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.700 He said setting aside a college professor or two and a half 00:05:31.700 --> 00:05:34.800 dozen dipsomaniacal newspaper reporters. 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:39.500 He takes the first place in my Valhalla of litter I thought I 00:05:39.500 --> 00:05:43.500 was talking about hard at first place in my Valhalla. 00:05:43.500 --> 00:05:47.200 That is to say he writes the worst English. 00:05:47.200 --> 00:05:52.400 I have ever gets better. 00:05:52.400 --> 00:05:56.400 It reminds me of a string of wet sponges. 00:05:56.400 --> 00:06:00.800 It reminds me of tattered washing on the line. 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:08.000 It reminds me of stale bean soup of college yells of dogs barking 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:16.900 idiotically through endless nights of grandeur creeps into it. 00:06:16.900 --> 00:06:23.600 It drags itself out of the dark abysm of fish and Trophy up to 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:26.100 the topmost Pinnacle of Posh. 00:06:26.100 --> 00:06:29.000 It is Rumble and Bumble. 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:31.300 It is flap and doodle. 00:06:31.300 --> 00:06:33.200 It is Baldur and dance. 00:06:34.300 --> 00:06:48.600 Wow, that's a hundred years ago. 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:59.300 Now, where was the Boston bunker Mo kind of dip the idiocy 00:06:59.300 --> 00:07:05.000 of this. So hardingwood misread words, The famous one is is the 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:10.900 word was normality and he read it is normal CO2 gun like that 00:07:10.900 --> 00:07:14.000 end and and Megan just thought this was hilarious. 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:26.400 Hero of the the teams in the twenties wrote many many many books 00:07:26.400 --> 00:07:30.800 has the American Mercury and died when I was when I was younger. 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.100 I used to try to imitate his style but this is a guy who 00:07:34.300 --> 00:07:35.900 It's a real misanthrope. 00:07:35.900 --> 00:07:39.300 He didn't like anybody who didn't stop with Warren G Harding. 00:07:39.300 --> 00:07:40.600 He didn't like Wilson either. 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:41.700 He didn't like Coolidge. 00:07:41.700 --> 00:07:43.600 He hated Roosevelt. 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:49.100 He hated every one of my hero actually would have said about 00:07:49.100 --> 00:08:00.200 today. I would have been no English journalism that you still 00:08:00.200 --> 00:08:04.300 encounter that kind of attitude that just like over-the-top 00:08:04.300 --> 00:08:10.800 swaggering insult. You know, you just don't see that in America, 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.800 especially about an inaugural address. 00:08:13.400 --> 00:08:24.900 Yeah, we're all supposed to and you want to hear my trump inaugural 00:08:24.900 --> 00:08:27.800 story. Yeah, I go down there for on that day. 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:33.000 And the idea in DC is you supposed to be able to walk out 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:35.500 onto the mall if you weren't able to do that this time nobody 00:08:35.500 --> 00:08:41.000 you see there was nobody there this and and and I and I got 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.100 down to the mall and they're all of these security. 00:08:43.100 --> 00:08:44.400 This is for Trump's inaugural. 00:08:44.400 --> 00:08:47.300 They're all kinds of security measures in place as he had to go 00:08:47.300 --> 00:08:48.400 through the other shit. 00:08:48.400 --> 00:08:51.400 I get down there and I'm standing in line, 00:08:51.400 --> 00:08:55.600 but you can clearly hear Trump's Voice through these megaphone 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:59.400 sneeze loud speakers all over the National Mall and I'm standing 00:08:59.400 --> 00:09:03.700 in line to let me out onto the mall and there's all these Trump 00:09:03.700 --> 00:09:07.300 supporters around me and I swear to God it started raining 00:09:07.300 --> 00:09:10.100 with his very first syllables. 00:09:10.100 --> 00:09:10.800 So I said, 00:09:13.400 --> 00:09:16.200 Moment and I made some remark like um, 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.700 you know, what about how about that it started raining in the 00:09:18.700 --> 00:09:23.600 woman in front of me said it's if it's Jesus's tears and then 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:26.400 say then she clarified tears of joy. 00:09:26.400 --> 00:09:39.000 I love that like weeping panda. 00:09:40.100 --> 00:09:44.400 I actually emailed Trump got really hammered for that. 00:09:44.400 --> 00:09:48.500 Speech Team every American Carnage, but it I thought there 00:09:48.500 --> 00:09:51.100 was something I didn't think it was a good speech but I thought 00:09:51.100 --> 00:09:54.200 there was something really interesting about it. 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:55.800 He talked about deindustrialization. 00:09:55.800 --> 00:10:01.700 You remember this instead of standing like tombstones 00:10:01.700 --> 00:10:04.100 and it was kind of a good image. 00:10:04.100 --> 00:10:06.400 I'm sure Steve Bannon wrote it, you know, 00:10:06.400 --> 00:10:11.400 but ended me of when I was writing listen liberal, 00:10:11.400 --> 00:10:13.300 I went to this town called Fall River, 00:10:13.300 --> 00:10:17.600 Massachusetts where they have these but I will you know what 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:20.000 to talk about that does Mills, you know those meals and they're 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:21.900 they're all over the City Landscaping. 00:10:21.900 --> 00:10:25.600 They're completely bacon from top to bottom and they look they 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:29.600 do look like tombstones over the city that was exactly the image 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:30.900 that I thought of it. 00:10:30.900 --> 00:10:33.100 So I kind of thought that was I kind of thought that was 00:10:34.400 --> 00:10:40.100 Okay. Yeah because his his his convention speech was basically 00:10:40.100 --> 00:10:45.200 like a worst version of Nixon's silent majority like Law and 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:50.100 Order thing and they they reconfigured it to be this quasi 00:10:50.100 --> 00:10:55.400 populist concept about crumbling America and it was really 00:10:55.400 --> 00:10:57.300 dark in Apocalypto. 00:10:57.300 --> 00:11:00.300 I think we needed that. 00:11:00.300 --> 00:11:02.800 I mean he turned out to be like he turned out so I mean 00:11:02.800 --> 00:11:04.900 he did nothing about any of it. 00:11:04.900 --> 00:11:11.000 Maybe just try harder than ever sat in the Oval Office to debate 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:12.400 that like, how bad is it? 00:11:12.400 --> 00:11:22.900 You know, what is scalp reduction? 00:11:22.900 --> 00:11:24.400 Is that three stop production? 00:11:34.400 --> 00:11:37.400 and I know that you've been writing some stuff on this theme 00:11:37.400 --> 00:11:43.900 of how exactly productive was this last four years of just kind 00:11:43.900 --> 00:11:49.700 of Relentless is an anti Trump propaganda that came from a unified 00:11:49.700 --> 00:11:53.600 front of Bentley Elite culture in the in the sky, 00:11:53.600 --> 00:12:03.500 but it's some point we got to go back in and and think how 00:12:03.500 --> 00:12:07.300 bad a president was he at least it is passing that he saved 00:12:07.300 --> 00:12:09.700 the very last the very worst thing for last, 00:12:09.700 --> 00:12:14.200 you know, this is absolutely what the hell 00:12:21.300 --> 00:12:24.500 Play can't get my head around that one. 00:12:27.800 --> 00:12:32.500 I just wanted to pause this pause. 00:12:32.500 --> 00:12:35.500 I know it's really rough out here for a lot of people, 00:12:35.500 --> 00:12:39.400 but I wanted to give Matt the chance to talk about something 00:12:39.400 --> 00:12:40.700 Plumbing Katy. 00:12:41.900 --> 00:12:54.200 As your pet help you should have been done like this year in the 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:58.300 beginning of the pandemic PetSmart has been an essential 00:12:58.300 --> 00:13:01.100 retailer making sure you can get everything your pet needs 00:13:01.100 --> 00:13:02.200 and right when you need it. 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:03.300 They have 1600. 00:13:03.300 --> 00:13:08.800 Can you meet me at locations that lead the pack with safe and 00:13:08.800 --> 00:13:12.500 easy ways to shopping while we're doing canine metaphors 00:13:12.500 --> 00:13:15.400 look like cleaning and disinfecting products. 00:13:15.400 --> 00:13:17.700 They follow the CDC recommendations. 00:13:17.700 --> 00:13:20.500 Everybody wears face coverings or masks that are required 00:13:20.500 --> 00:13:25.000 for employees in for pet parents their decals and the floor 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:28.700 and signage the new protocols that reinforce social distancing 00:13:28.700 --> 00:13:32.600 requirements. 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Let's go back to Tom we switched over today. 00:15:41.700 --> 00:15:47.500 Like we had like a formal switch over from like media non-stop 00:15:47.500 --> 00:15:54.400 media Rage 2 non-stop media sycophant and it was It was kind of 00:15:54.400 --> 00:15:58.600 amazing like to White like Chris Wallace was like on your 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:01.400 tears and saying that this is the greatest inaugural address 00:16:01.400 --> 00:16:02.400 that I've ever heard. 00:16:02.400 --> 00:16:05.800 Who's the coach for the Washington Post guy Joe and bow used 00:16:05.800 --> 00:16:09.300 to watch an eagle soar by the duck now in weiden steps to vote 00:16:09.300 --> 00:16:11.200 to elect turn you will be greeted by a presidential 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:16.200 seal and features as its most prominent symbol a bald eagle 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:26.100 last night where the guy on the lights lighting up the mall 00:16:26.100 --> 00:16:34.200 were like Joe Biden's arms wrapped around America John King 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:36.900 saying there's an air of cleansing about today, 00:16:36.900 --> 00:16:37.700 so 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.000 Okay, like for most people just like all right, 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.800 whatever but the country this is like this is probably going 00:16:45.800 --> 00:16:48.300 to work on their psyches in the very specific way. 00:16:48.300 --> 00:16:49.900 I know you been interested in this. 00:16:49.900 --> 00:16:52.700 I'm just curious what your thoughts are about that time because 00:16:52.700 --> 00:16:57.800 you have a particular ideas about how how that went over. 00:16:57.800 --> 00:17:05.300 We should also talk at some point about how what we thought 00:17:05.300 --> 00:17:09.900 when Trump came in and how our minds have been changed it almost 00:17:09.900 --> 00:17:14.200 immediately. Once Trump got elected became fascinated 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:21.300 by anti trumpism is fascinating, but anti trumpism is also really 00:17:21.300 --> 00:17:25.400 goddamn interesting and the way that people would certify 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:30.000 up almost instantly, you know ramp it up to 10 and it went to 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:31.300 this kind of Hysteria. 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:36.200 You know what the what was the term that I used a gas titude 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:42.100 the this constant are the constant wailing this been going 00:17:42.100 --> 00:17:49.200 on now for four years everywhere that you turn and that is I think 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:52.700 just as fascinating As Trump and it's going to outlast Trump. 00:17:52.700 --> 00:17:56.200 This is now with Trump is gone and the gas to to do you 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:56.800 still with us? 00:17:56.800 --> 00:18:01.600 And I mean, we're in a we're in a brand new media climate 00:18:01.600 --> 00:18:03.500 of your brand new cultural climate. 00:18:03.500 --> 00:18:07.500 Let's let's go ahead and just go all the way here a brand new 00:18:07.500 --> 00:18:11.400 cultural climate. That is that I think it is totally unprecedented 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:16.000 in American life where you've got this in our lives. 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:16.400 None of us. 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:21.000 Remember the 1950s, but there is an absolute consensus. 00:18:21.900 --> 00:18:26.800 An airtight consensus among cultural Elites in this country 00:18:26.800 --> 00:18:30.700 of a kind that we have never seen in our lives and our lives 00:18:30.700 --> 00:18:36.300 yet and it is just that it's an amazing thing to behold. 00:18:36.300 --> 00:18:38.300 It's also really am none of us are part of it. 00:18:38.300 --> 00:18:40.500 We're all outside of that consensus. 00:18:40.500 --> 00:18:43.300 Is that where you know looking looking from the outside-in 00:18:43.300 --> 00:18:46.100 but this is what I would I call is a consensus so, 00:18:46.100 --> 00:18:51.100 you know of the aghast and I don't know how they're going to you 00:18:51.100 --> 00:18:54.100 know process the next four years, but we're in a really strange 00:18:54.100 --> 00:18:56.900 time in America what it's not just this that that they've 00:18:56.900 --> 00:19:00.000 come together in a kind of airtight consensus where if you want 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:03.800 to write you were journalists are if you want to write for a in 00:19:03.800 --> 00:19:06.200 one of the one of these days her mainstream Publications 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:09.600 in America you basically you have to accept this their party 00:19:09.600 --> 00:19:12.000 line and there's just there's no other way if you're Republican, 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.600 if you're a Democrat, whatever you are you have to be you have 00:19:15.600 --> 00:19:19.100 to share these certainly no preconceptions of aghast attitude 00:19:19.100 --> 00:19:21.700 and what are things that start of May to do? 00:19:21.800 --> 00:19:25.800 Hey and made it kind of fun is that it was an opposition. 00:19:25.800 --> 00:19:31.900 It was a source of opposition, but now it isn't now it is fully 00:19:31.900 --> 00:19:34.600 in charge and it's not just you know, 00:19:34.600 --> 00:19:40.100 a coming together of a lease against the president is the coming 00:19:40.100 --> 00:19:45.100 together of a lease for the president now and that is a we are 00:19:45.100 --> 00:19:49.200 entering a new world and there's also I mean we can talk about 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:53.400 all the different elements of this what it includes what it doesn't 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:58.300 include the the aspect of it that blows my mind is that well, 00:19:58.300 --> 00:19:59.800 there's many aspects of the blow my mind. 00:19:59.800 --> 00:20:03.200 The first one is that it includes the intelligence agency 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:08.600 what the hell like since when have they been part of this like 00:20:08.600 --> 00:20:09.900 the liberal consensus. 00:20:09.900 --> 00:20:13.600 That's just too almost to strange, you know. 00:20:21.800 --> 00:20:23.300 I certainly wouldn't think so. 00:20:23.300 --> 00:20:26.400 I mean, I've been a liberal all my adult life and and I never 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:30.200 regarded the intelligence agencies as her friends. 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:49.400 You're not the civilian, you know, it's like a liberal intellectual 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:54.500 Elite, but now they're like fused in a way that it looks like 00:20:54.500 --> 00:20:58.200 it's like it's very weird right healthy, 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:01.900 you're all commentate all these former guys argue commentators 00:21:01.900 --> 00:21:12.800 on it and you got monopolies cultural monopolies emerging 00:21:12.800 --> 00:21:13.400 all over the place. 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:13.800 By the way. 00:21:13.800 --> 00:21:17.000 Did I ever show you guys this when I was doing what I was doing? 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:17.000 00:21:21.800 --> 00:21:24.100 Magazine back in the day and modify. 00:21:24.100 --> 00:21:27.800 Is it the new Gilded Age and they the big idea that we were 00:21:27.800 --> 00:21:31.200 all writing about at the pastor was the idea of the culture 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:36.000 trust the idea that that that that culture had come under a kind of 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:41.900 Monopoly control which in the 90s that was not that was kind 00:21:41.900 --> 00:21:43.500 of an exaggeration today. 00:21:43.500 --> 00:21:48.300 It's true. I mean, there's bit there's the newspaper industry. 00:21:48.300 --> 00:21:51.400 It's basically three papers in the Wall Street. 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:53.900 Journal doesn't really count because they're online presence 00:21:53.900 --> 00:21:58.200 is extremely limited host. 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:02.200 You know, that is it and they increasingly resemble each other 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:06.300 the whole kind of left liberal media landscape, 00:22:06.300 --> 00:22:09.600 which was pretty fragmented and pretty representative 00:22:09.600 --> 00:22:13.400 of lots of different sex even five years ago. 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:19.700 It's almost exactly totally all the same now, 00:22:19.700 --> 00:22:20.300 it doesn't matter. 00:22:21.800 --> 00:22:28.900 Cornered it up behaves like a monopoly and then you also have 00:22:28.900 --> 00:22:33.900 real Monopoly. If you do Facebook Google, 00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:37.800 you know real monopolies out there, you know astride the culture 00:22:37.800 --> 00:22:42.000 and people are just finally now starting to understand 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:45.200 the danger that this represent and what does things has been 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:47.700 most shameful, I think about the Trump years we talked about 00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:50.100 Auntie trumpets here during the Trump. 00:22:50.100 --> 00:22:57.600 Is there constant soliciting of these cultural monopolies 00:22:57.600 --> 00:23:02.500 soliciting them to crack down on their on their rivals on that, 00:23:02.500 --> 00:23:07.900 you know on on on the people who disagree with this is like 00:23:07.900 --> 00:23:12.600 crazy. I mean, it's it's it's it's cold war Behavior, 00:23:12.600 --> 00:23:16.500 you know, this is like this is it's it's not quite McCarthy, 00:23:16.500 --> 00:23:20.000 but we're getting there, you know, my car theme is a blowhard 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:23.400 in an asshole, but if you go back Read about the culture 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:29.700 War. It's the Cold War climate and it ignore McCarthy and look 00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:32.100 at all the other stuff that was going on in America back. 00:23:32.100 --> 00:23:37.200 Then it was scary and we are heading right towards it again 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:39.600 right now is what I feel that's the way I think about it, 00:23:39.600 --> 00:23:50.300 you know other people Max Blumenthal are mate Rani Cadillac 00:23:50.300 --> 00:24:01.200 all these people who and urging enough to meet with them. 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:09.700 I mean there really is this really lazy labeling have someone 00:24:09.700 --> 00:24:13.600 has been tainted or toxic and there's no evidence required 00:24:13.600 --> 00:24:16.900 and people are just written off because they're communists. 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:24.700 Resume signed onto one of these these front groups the Communist party 00:24:24.700 --> 00:24:26.600 used to set up these front groups and it would lower 00:24:26.600 --> 00:24:32.700 people in the things in the world. 00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:36.600 Is it well-meaning people would sign up and then 20 years later. 00:24:36.600 --> 00:24:40.700 Some asshole would find that they had attended the meeting 00:24:40.700 --> 00:24:43.200 and then they did get fired. 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:44.700 They get wild cancel lose. 00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:56.700 They lose their job, you know my uncle but they haven't they 00:24:56.700 --> 00:25:00.600 have a lot of them are like totally Anodyne, 00:25:00.600 --> 00:25:04.600 you know, they had like dance clubs in music Club. 00:25:04.600 --> 00:25:06.300 So what's going to happen? 00:25:06.300 --> 00:25:10.100 I always thought that one of the one of the strategies 00:25:10.100 --> 00:25:13.700 of the Trump years left for my propaganda standpoint was like 00:25:13.700 --> 00:25:17.000 it was implied that you couldn't have a slow news day because 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:18.900 that was logistically impossible. 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:20.900 It had to be an emergency. 00:25:20.900 --> 00:25:25.100 There was no such thing as a day where something wasn't terribly 00:25:25.100 --> 00:25:27.100 wrong because as long as he was in the White House, 00:25:27.100 --> 00:25:29.400 it had it had to be so we had this like never-ending 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:34.000 string of like manias panics about different things and then 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:35.500 of course there was a real one at the end, 00:25:35.500 --> 00:25:38.700 but what are the cast of Continuum at that's the process. 00:25:38.700 --> 00:25:42.400 So you're an expert on on the journalism as industry. 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:46.300 And that has to continue now, here's the question. 00:25:46.300 --> 00:25:48.800 How are they going to how is it going to continue? 00:25:48.800 --> 00:25:51.800 How are they going to hell were they going to sustain the emergency 00:25:51.800 --> 00:25:56.300 going forward or will they like, I mean got to y'all going 00:25:56.300 --> 00:26:02.600 to go back to the unit through the 90s looking back at my older 00:26:02.600 --> 00:26:07.100 work recently and it's funny how the different the climate 00:26:07.100 --> 00:26:07.700 is not for. 00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:09.200 My first book was about the yum. 00:26:10.100 --> 00:26:17.600 That was my first commercial book was called One Market under 00:26:17.600 --> 00:26:20.100 God and it was about the.com bubble and this. 00:26:20.100 --> 00:26:24.600 Of euphoria in the 90s, which was exactly the opposite of the 00:26:24.600 --> 00:26:28.000 Trump years, you know, when did Trump use everything was disaster 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.900 ever the gas tattooed constantly disaster is right around 00:26:30.900 --> 00:26:34.900 the corner and in the 90s, it was the obvious like hey millionaire 00:26:34.900 --> 00:26:46.800 hood is right around the corner to do the right thing and scribed a 00:26:46.800 --> 00:26:47.900 Fortune Magazine. 00:26:47.900 --> 00:26:51.500 I would have CNBC on all the time to get that flavor into my 00:26:51.500 --> 00:26:56.500 riding dislike incredible Euphoria, you know, and I would subscribe 00:26:56.500 --> 00:27:00.600 to Fortune Magazine in each issue with like like like three 00:27:00.600 --> 00:27:04.700 or four hundred pages long and it was so sick with advertising 00:27:04.700 --> 00:27:05.400 and oh my God. 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:07.700 Yeah. That's right all the magazines for like that. 00:27:10.100 --> 00:27:16.500 These people made a good living writing for magazines like that 00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:20.900 back then you know, but it was it was absolutely the complete 00:27:20.900 --> 00:27:25.500 opposite and I wondered I mean can we shift gears? 00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:28.900 Can we go back to like non-stop Euphoria? 00:27:28.900 --> 00:27:31.300 Can you go from Hysteria to Euphoria? 00:27:31.300 --> 00:27:35.000 How are they going to do it? 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:39.500 Because the way I think the model now requires history and requires 00:27:39.500 --> 00:27:42.500 hate and and I don't know. 00:27:42.500 --> 00:27:44.500 I don't know where they're going to where they're going to get 00:27:44.500 --> 00:27:49.900 that from but it's not hard to I mean is we've all seen from 00:27:49.900 --> 00:27:51.600 Twitter as we've all learned from Twitter. 00:27:51.600 --> 00:27:54.400 It's not hard to make a you know, a 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:59.900 tiny misstep or a verbal gas into a problem for the ages. 00:27:59.900 --> 00:28:02.800 We've already seen this we've all seen this happen to people 00:28:10.100 --> 00:28:14.200 Well, it was such was Bush was really hated towards the end. 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:22.000 Remember Obama was elected in part because of there was this 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:27.600 euphoric feeling among other things about like a dismantling 00:28:27.600 --> 00:28:34.500 of the war on terror stress-inducing Adventure in the Middle 00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:36.000 East etcetera, etcetera. 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:39.700 But most importantly Obama came into office in the middle 00:28:39.700 --> 00:28:47.800 of the financial crisis and people thought and Bush had been 00:28:47.800 --> 00:28:51.300 very Trump like in Trump dealing with coronavirus the way you 00:28:51.300 --> 00:28:53.700 dealt with it is like to do nothing right. 00:28:53.700 --> 00:28:58.700 Zero leadership on the financial crisis is hands already 00:28:58.700 --> 00:29:00.600 had no idea what to do. 00:29:10.100 --> 00:29:17.400 Dollars in three minutes exactly he thought he did and and he 00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:22.000 remember and the FED bailed out AIG all on their own. 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:23.500 They didn't ask anybody's permission. 00:29:23.500 --> 00:29:24.600 They just did it. 00:29:24.600 --> 00:29:26.500 That's right. That's right. 00:29:26.500 --> 00:29:36.300 It did feel like like we had an Obama was so you don't palpably 00:29:36.300 --> 00:29:38.800 a better man than Bush. 00:29:38.800 --> 00:29:42.500 You know that it's just like better Superior in every way and 00:29:42.500 --> 00:29:44.900 I said, well, that's what I thought at the time anyways, 00:29:44.900 --> 00:29:48.000 and I thought that you know, this guy is going to he's going 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.700 to let you know to swing into action and he is going to pull a 00:29:51.700 --> 00:29:55.000 Franklin Roosevelt and it's going to be great and I was certainly 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:55.700 optimistic. 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:01.600 I was too absolutely but there was a bit of a difference 00:30:01.600 --> 00:30:03.900 also on that Obama was seen as really unprecedented 00:30:03.900 --> 00:30:08.300 it right. So it wasn't he was or he wasn't seen as a return 00:30:08.300 --> 00:30:12.300 to normal. Where is Biden obviously is seen as a return to normal 00:30:12.300 --> 00:30:15.500 because he's older and because he's white and because he's been 00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:22.200 vice president because he's been a senator even when you say 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.100 that about Obama one of the reasons I supported him is because 00:30:25.100 --> 00:30:30.300 I thought he would root out the influence of Clinton in the Democratic 00:30:30.300 --> 00:30:35.000 party barely believe that I'm almost ashamed to admit it. 00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:49.100 I thought that too but they're also remember that 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:10.100 Yeah, it's because he's a in person. 00:31:10.100 --> 00:31:15.800 He's just the nicest guy in the world Bill Ayers super helpful. 00:31:15.800 --> 00:31:22.100 When all this should happen. 00:31:22.100 --> 00:31:25.300 If I wrote about this for the Wall Street Journal isn't that 00:31:25.300 --> 00:31:30.000 funny? I wrote my friend Bill Ayers. 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:37.800 The terrorist does clickbait know it was real it was real. 00:31:37.800 --> 00:31:43.300 I really was my friend and it was all this crap was happening 00:31:43.300 --> 00:31:49.200 was in that summer of 2008 question. 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:49.600 We got it. 00:31:49.600 --> 00:31:53.400 We got to ask ourselves, which is a little time we didn't 00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:54.600 get a chance to talk to you about this. 00:31:54.600 --> 00:31:56.300 How do you feel about the cat? 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.700 All right, and be another they're talking about some pretty 00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:06.000 intense responses like a domestic terrorism bill which the squad 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:07.100 opposed last night. 00:32:07.100 --> 00:32:09.100 But if that goes through like, you know, 00:32:09.100 --> 00:32:12.500 didn't they put what's the likelihood that we're going to go enter 00:32:12.500 --> 00:32:15.000 this domestic war on terror. 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:16.300 Which? 00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:23.500 Zero chance that that that will happen that seems like such 00:32:23.500 --> 00:32:25.000 a bad idea to me. 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:31.400 I mean is do we need a new bunch of laws everything those guys 00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:32.400 did was alright. 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.000 It's already illegal already. 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:39.000 Let you're already not allowed to storm and and you know, 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:40.500 what else is creepy is 00:32:41.800 --> 00:32:44.800 As far as I'm concerned those Capitol Police have no, 00:32:44.800 --> 00:32:46.600 excuse me. We haven't done any hearings yet. 00:32:46.600 --> 00:32:48.200 I haven't been the press conference is yet, 00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:52.000 they're probably won't ever be but like how did they not know 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:53.400 that was that was going to happen? 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.200 I still don't understand that. 00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:59.200 I mean that we're going to have to have some clarity about 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:05.900 whose orders those were to stand down and all that but I think 00:33:05.900 --> 00:33:08.300 one of the things are talking about the FBI is already there 00:33:08.300 --> 00:33:11.400 been stories about how they were limited in their ability 00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:15.900 to surveil deck surveillance on some of these people because 00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:20.000 you know, they didn't there isn't a designation that they could 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.900 have used that would have allowed them to get a warrant or so. 00:33:22.900 --> 00:33:23.500 I don't like that. 00:33:23.500 --> 00:33:30.300 You know that you know how dangerous is. 00:33:30.300 --> 00:33:34.700 I mean course domestic spying this is we've been down this road 00:33:34.700 --> 00:33:41.000 before and I just want to say I'm pretty liberal for liberals 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:41.100 to 00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:45.900 Encourage this or be in favor of this is you are selling 00:33:45.900 --> 00:33:47.200 the Whirlwind my friends. 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.000 This is the this is the worst idea imaginable. 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:56.100 It's it's always going to always going to come back to you. 00:33:56.100 --> 00:33:59.400 You look back through American history and who has been surveilled 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:03.300 who's been a platform who's been had their lives ruined and it's 00:34:03.300 --> 00:34:06.400 always people on the left and we're not just the 50s here. 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.200 If you go back to the 1920s, 00:34:08.200 --> 00:34:12.500 you know, when you're throwing guys in the iww in jail, 00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:18.600 they were deporting, you know for their political views not right-wingers. 00:34:18.600 --> 00:34:21.000 Now, they were deporting left us for their political views 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:32.400 and I need that was the famous state. 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:34.400 They put a bunch of fascist leaders on trial. 00:34:41.700 --> 00:34:45.900 But ya know but didn't you know that we had the domestic 00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:51.400 surveillance by her story that came out and sit and 75 and it 00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.600 was decided by all the newspapers that you know what you're 00:34:54.600 --> 00:34:55.300 not going to do this. 00:34:55.300 --> 00:34:57.700 We're not going to follow up on the story that much and then 00:34:57.700 --> 00:34:59.300 that just what that says that's one of the biggest, 00:34:59.300 --> 00:35:06.400 you know scandals while until Pro stuff here right through 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.000 the stuff that came out around the time of the pike Church. 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:12.900 Yeah. I just I can't believe we go back down that that path 00:35:12.900 --> 00:35:15.400 again. I mean there's already laws in place. 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.700 We need to see what went wrong etcetera etcetera etcetera 00:35:19.700 --> 00:35:22.500 and then and then we can talk about what what needs to be changed 00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:25.300 with the idea of like unleashing domestic spying. 00:35:25.300 --> 00:35:26.500 This is a terrible. 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:28.600 This is a terrible idea. 00:35:28.600 --> 00:35:31.600 You know, it's for the first time. 00:35:35.200 --> 00:35:39.100 Usually leftists and that's a whole what does that mean? 00:35:39.100 --> 00:35:42.500 But I think we all know someone but this is the first time when 00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:46.000 Axel I think there's so many lefties who are who sings that 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:48.700 this is a good idea and I've heard this argument, 00:35:48.700 --> 00:35:51.500 which is that if you say it's going to bite Us in the ass 00:35:51.500 --> 00:35:53.800 more than anyone else they go. 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:55.100 Well, they're already doing that to us. 00:35:55.100 --> 00:35:56.400 So who cares let's give it to them. 00:35:56.400 --> 00:36:03.600 So that's why they're already incredibly incredibly incredibly 00:36:03.600 --> 00:36:13.800 irresponsible it you know gassed and this kind of consensus is 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.800 others are tight consensus among Elites and I want to come 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:20.200 back to that in a minute, but there is a me. 00:36:20.200 --> 00:36:23.100 This consensus is especially strong at a place like Academia 00:36:23.100 --> 00:36:26.100 and more radical leftists. 00:36:29.100 --> 00:36:35.200 Okay, but these people believe that they that their control 00:36:35.200 --> 00:36:39.100 over cultural legitimacy that their grip over cultural legitimacy 00:36:39.100 --> 00:36:42.600 is never going to end and I am here to tell you that you're 00:36:42.600 --> 00:36:45.300 so utterly mistaken there. 00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:46.800 So utterly mistaken. 00:36:50.300 --> 00:36:53.100 Wait, I want one funny story then we'll talk about the Coalition 00:36:53.100 --> 00:36:54.400 of the aghast again. 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.900 And the funny story is this so I when I was younger, 00:36:56.900 --> 00:36:58.000 I used to be a punk rocker. 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.200 And did you play no? 00:37:02.200 --> 00:37:12.300 No, I mean like I was a fan turn table and there was a 00:37:12.300 --> 00:37:14.700 and everybody stirring around this word sedition and I'm like 00:37:14.700 --> 00:37:17.800 honest Edition. That was the name of Malcolm McLaren's 00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:20.600 shop on the Kings Road in in London. 00:37:20.600 --> 00:37:23.000 It wasn't really the dictionary. 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.100 Yeah, because we look at our commercial culture in this is the 00:37:26.100 --> 00:37:29.000 whole conflict that nobody ever thinks about are camo shirt 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.200 commercial culture is in love with extreme as they use his word 00:37:32.200 --> 00:37:34.400 extreme all the time to sell everything, 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.800 you know, right rear Cadillacs extreme Sodapop, 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:41.400 you know, it is a used to write about I used to write about 00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:42.100 this all the time. 00:37:42.100 --> 00:37:46.400 It's it's like so we have one part of our culture. 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.300 That's like we got a Crackdown extremism. 00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:50.600 We got him a war on Extreme to the other part of our culture 00:37:50.600 --> 00:37:58.800 is like a dream when you're really it's like what the fuc. 00:37:59.100 --> 00:38:02.700 Who are who are we in the Joe Biden quotes from a song in 00:38:02.700 --> 00:38:10.600 a Ken Burns, you know a chamber we all need to live life is 00:38:10.600 --> 00:38:14.100 over to Ken Burns documentary to make sense. 00:38:23.300 --> 00:38:26.900 There's another group of people who are not the typical like 00:38:26.900 --> 00:38:29.700 usual suspects who really see themselves as more radical 00:38:29.700 --> 00:38:33.000 and who are not agree with the laptop with us on a lot of 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:36.800 things and even they are forests. 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:45.500 And it anyway that's new or in favor of censorship. 00:38:45.500 --> 00:38:50.500 Let's say again, it's not because they trust the elites are the 00:38:50.500 --> 00:38:54.900 institutions or have any kind of cultural capital or cash a or 00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:58.000 by and it's because they just think that it's like these are 00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:59.200 hateful white supremacist. 00:38:59.200 --> 00:39:04.300 They need to be deplatform is back in jail, 00:39:04.300 --> 00:39:12.200 but this is. 00:39:12.200 --> 00:39:16.700 That's not what they're talking about being dumb about this 00:39:16.700 --> 00:39:21.800 bigger than usual or for any length of time. 00:39:23.200 --> 00:39:26.600 You know it is I've never done that. 00:39:26.600 --> 00:39:28.400 I don't even really know what you're talkin about. 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:36.000 Keep going keep growing sites. 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.500 It's like the intersection of like we're pouring and political 00:39:39.500 --> 00:39:41.400 thought converge like it. 00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:46.400 It's just it's so messed up and so violent and Mema and it's 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:51.100 got its if literally got porn images with like racist jokes 00:39:51.100 --> 00:39:55.200 with you no plans for violent, like all mixed in it in the same 00:39:55.200 --> 00:40:00.500 hoes and stuff like that and it will freak you out in pretty 00:40:00.500 --> 00:40:04.300 short order to be on there and I can see how people can can 00:40:04.300 --> 00:40:07.700 be following some of the trends, you know, 00:40:07.700 --> 00:40:10.800 when she went on and places like that and I'm thinking we got 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.100 to put a lid on this but you can't put a lit that's the 00:40:13.100 --> 00:40:17.100 thing you put a lid on it and all people are going to see 00:40:17.100 --> 00:40:21.200 is that there is a unified front of very rich people, 00:40:21.200 --> 00:40:22.300 you know. 00:40:23.200 --> 00:40:26.700 Are not going to let them talk about stuff in that I don't 00:40:26.700 --> 00:40:27.700 I don't think that's going to go over. 00:40:27.700 --> 00:40:48.100 Well, I just got on board pornography go that would ensue. 00:40:48.100 --> 00:40:48.900 That would be hilarious. 00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:54.600 You know my God don't be like the 80s turned inside out. 00:40:54.600 --> 00:41:02.600 It would be the only thing that we were one of the consequences 00:41:02.600 --> 00:41:06.000 of these guys storming the Capital One of the consequences 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:12.100 of this these guys attacking the capital is that derailed 00:41:12.100 --> 00:41:15.900 all the other conversations that were happening and the conversation 00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:19.700 that I was most interested in was the election forgot to take 00:41:19.700 --> 00:41:19.900 sat. 00:41:23.200 --> 00:41:27.900 And the results are the results weren't fully known for quite 00:41:27.900 --> 00:41:30.600 a while after that and that results are really interesting. 00:41:30.600 --> 00:41:35.800 So by super one obviously, but but but Trump was not repudiated 00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:39.100 in the way that everybody assumed he was going to be he did quite 00:41:39.100 --> 00:41:42.600 well, he did better than people than every poster said he was 00:41:42.600 --> 00:41:46.800 going to do and there was that amazing shift of Latino voters 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:48.800 in certain places and black man. 00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:53.700 Yes, and then there is the other shift and none of this. 00:41:53.700 --> 00:41:56.100 I mean because it's all been wiped out now, 00:41:56.100 --> 00:41:57.300 it's all forgotten already. 00:41:57.300 --> 00:41:59.400 And then this is a hugely important. 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:05.900 This is probably more consequential in the long-term than the 00:42:05.900 --> 00:42:09.900 capital than the Inn at least these assholes stormy the capitol 00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:13.400 because this is this is how politics this is how politics 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.700 works but it's already forgotten but here's the the the aspect of 00:42:16.700 --> 00:42:17.300 it that gets me. 00:42:17.300 --> 00:42:21.100 So when I talk to you guys last I was in Johnson County Kansas, 00:42:21.100 --> 00:42:22.700 which is the 00:42:23.600 --> 00:42:27.500 Wealthy white collar suburbs of Kansas City Missouri, 00:42:27.500 --> 00:42:32.900 and it's a sort of white flight suburb or suburban area that 00:42:32.900 --> 00:42:36.000 was built largely in the 1950s, but it's still growing. 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.800 It's it's still by far the richest county in Kansas. 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:43.400 I think it has the most people of any County in Kansas and when 00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.900 I was a kid and we grew up in this little corner of it. 00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:51.100 That's very, right and I mean very at this is the ruling class 00:42:51.100 --> 00:43:00.100 of the city these other people and when I was growing up and 00:43:00.100 --> 00:43:03.700 I you know, I wrote what's the matter with Kansas is largely 00:43:03.700 --> 00:43:06.800 about these people because these are the most Republican 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.000 people in America or they were right. 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:14.200 They had not voted for a Democrat vote for Democrats since 00:43:14.200 --> 00:43:17.700 Woodrow Wilson. The last time Johnson County went for a Democrat. 00:43:17.700 --> 00:43:21.700 And when I was a kid the Republican party controlled every 00:43:21.700 --> 00:43:25.700 local office they can try Well, the governor of Kansas would 00:43:25.700 --> 00:43:29.200 weed come from there you and Biden just flipped it. 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:33.100 And I went back and looked at the precinct biting one that area 00:43:33.100 --> 00:43:36.400 the whole County right and I went back and looked at the precinct 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:39.400 results for that little corner of it where I was speaking to 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:44.300 you guys from fighting one every single Precinct richest 00:43:44.300 --> 00:43:47.400 little neighborhood in in in the state of Kansas in the city 00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:48.000 of Kansas City. 00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:58.300 It's there is a coming together of a leak that we've never 00:43:58.300 --> 00:44:01.500 seen before in our lives and and you and you look at the end 00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:04.000 another thing that we're not well we're allowed to talk about 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.100 here. We are talking about it from the national conversation. 00:44:07.100 --> 00:44:08.300 Thanks to this. 00:44:08.300 --> 00:44:13.800 Idiot Riot the the lout Rampage and that is the business 00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:17.100 Community cutting off the Republican party. 00:44:17.100 --> 00:44:23.200 Where did you see this in quite incredible fundraising 00:44:23.200 --> 00:44:26.300 totals are finally in for 2020 and you fight a massively 00:44:26.300 --> 00:44:28.300 outrage outrage. 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.000 I took the sort of commanding Heights Industries the important 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.300 industries of Silicon Valley Wall Street. 00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:46.400 Big Oil Reddit Trump took up casinos. 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.100 All of it turns out just as a single guy Sheldon Adelson 00:44:50.100 --> 00:44:57.200 and yeah, and then and then as soon as that Riot is over that 00:44:57.200 --> 00:45:00.100 they like Wall Street starts cutting off with the Republican party 00:45:00.100 --> 00:45:02.600 all these other industry start cutting off the Republican 00:45:02.600 --> 00:45:07.100 party. We are in the middle of an incredible like a shift of the 00:45:07.100 --> 00:45:13.200 tectonic plates. It is happening before our eyes this this what 00:45:13.200 --> 00:45:15.300 are you called this Gathering of the elites, 00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:19.200 you know this consensus and they're Gathering of the elites 00:45:19.200 --> 00:45:22.100 behind up by behind the Democrats. 00:45:22.100 --> 00:45:26.600 I don't know how long it'll last but this is never seen this 00:45:26.600 --> 00:45:27.300 in my lifetime. 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:31.400 And then the question is though. 00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:35.000 What is that mean going forward because the Republican 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.500 party that they have a couple of ways to go and they they they 00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:42.400 either can try somehow to wedge themselves back into legitimacy 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:46.200 you like with that crew, but the other way is the Josh Hawley 00:45:46.200 --> 00:45:54.800 way that they're already the workers party will be confident 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:55.400 in either direction. 00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.900 So I I have no idea but clearly the numbers would go the other 00:45:59.900 --> 00:46:08.100 way. You know, what do you think the white distilled popular 00:46:08.100 --> 00:46:14.400 populous racing feels like it's the only way they can go elections. 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:18.800 That's as As Trump taught them what he did, 00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.600 you know into 2016 ET beat Hillary Clinton, 00:46:21.600 --> 00:46:23.500 but he also won Pennsylvania, Ohio. 00:46:23.500 --> 00:46:27.800 Yeah, and he was 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:33.300 This very fine line, you know, they want to be the party a business, 00:46:33.300 --> 00:46:37.100 but they also want to reach out to these her disgruntled, 00:46:37.100 --> 00:46:40.300 you know, white working-class types and and and when those 00:46:40.300 --> 00:46:45.600 places and if they can do both then they dominate but now it looks 00:46:45.600 --> 00:46:48.600 like they have to choose and you know, 00:46:48.600 --> 00:46:52.200 I've met a lot of Republicans here in Washington is kind of hard 00:46:52.200 --> 00:46:55.000 to imagine them not be in the party of business. 00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:57.000 I mean, there are everything about them. 00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:06.800 It wouldn't make it would cease to make sense right-wing 00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.900 populist, which as you pointed at written about that's not a real 00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:28.100 thing is like a inverted even look like it's about it's about 00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:34.900 Patriotism you go if your military build-up rate is is one way 00:47:34.900 --> 00:47:43.200 to be reading this book right now. 00:47:43.200 --> 00:47:46.400 This is Jon Meacham biography of George Bush Senior. 00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:58.900 Wow, why would I read that and George Bush Senior is like an American 00:47:58.900 --> 00:48:02.300 Aristocrat, you know, he comes from his dad was a senator 00:48:02.300 --> 00:48:07.000 they come from in his grandfather was in their ancestry, 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:12.000 but way way way back into these are these are the paintings 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:18.900 in France in 88. 00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:20.200 He's running for president. 00:48:20.900 --> 00:48:23.700 Annie's face that this guy Michael Dukakis and remember 00:48:23.700 --> 00:48:28.500 to call cuz he's like it's about competence. 00:48:28.500 --> 00:48:30.300 What's Bush's resent? 00:48:30.300 --> 00:48:33.600 And by the way, you caucus has this incredible bounce after 00:48:33.600 --> 00:48:35.400 their convention. He's like 18 points ahead. 00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:40.600 OK. What is Bush do how does a challenge this guy? 00:48:40.600 --> 00:48:42.900 It's entirely culture wars. 00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:48.100 It's closed Willie Horton dug up this thing. 00:48:48.100 --> 00:48:50.300 Where would you caucus? 00:48:50.300 --> 00:48:52.200 It said something mean about the Pledge of Allegiance 00:48:52.200 --> 00:48:56.200 so that they would go around pledging Allegiance all the fucking 00:48:56.200 --> 00:49:01.000 time and Ambush would visit flag factories and at Dukakis 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.100 was proud of being a member of the ACLU. 00:49:03.100 --> 00:49:04.400 Do you remember this? 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:12.100 They hammered and for these things it was entirely the culture 00:49:12.100 --> 00:49:16.500 wars and I remember I was I was I just graduated from college 00:49:16.500 --> 00:49:20.500 that year and I was so angry about this campaign because 00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:25.300 So idiotic and end-of-course Dukakis walked right into the buzzsaw 00:49:25.300 --> 00:49:33.600 immobilize organized labor. 00:49:33.600 --> 00:49:36.600 He wouldn't reach out to traditional democratic and he was he 00:49:36.600 --> 00:49:41.100 was at Clinton before Clinton ISM Clinton without 00:49:42.200 --> 00:49:59.600 So yeah, we got a Charisma without entirely done with culture 00:49:59.600 --> 00:50:08.100 wars and racial resentment good at that they can still play 00:50:08.100 --> 00:50:11.600 that game but I don't know if it works without the money behind 00:50:11.600 --> 00:50:14.900 them. So they're in a real dilemma these guys, 00:50:14.900 --> 00:50:16.100 I don't know what they do. 00:50:16.100 --> 00:50:19.900 They can run against qism know. 00:50:19.900 --> 00:50:21.800 That's true that giving a perfect Target, 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:30.700 you know, but there's a lot of things white people. 00:50:30.700 --> 00:50:34.700 Also, of course, they can still they can continue to build 00:50:34.700 --> 00:50:36.500 the sort of trump Coalition. 00:50:36.500 --> 00:50:40.100 There's no no doubt about that, but I'm asking you to imagine 00:50:40.100 --> 00:50:41.900 Republicans without money. 00:50:42.300 --> 00:50:46.200 It's almost hard to it's almost hard to picture. 00:50:46.200 --> 00:50:49.600 I I didn't know it's like I grew up on thinking of the Koch 00:50:49.600 --> 00:50:51.100 brothers in the Rockefellers. 00:50:51.100 --> 00:50:52.400 It's neither Republican. 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.100 Where is is the people I grew up amongst. 00:50:55.100 --> 00:50:57.900 These are Republicans that you know, this is the ruling class 00:50:57.900 --> 00:51:00.600 of America let you know what is going to happen. 00:51:00.600 --> 00:51:03.300 Now while they're going to have to find they're going to have 00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:07.600 to find us some sponsor that like oil and gas is now almost 00:51:07.600 --> 00:51:18.700 so is so disreputable that it's out of the club census, 00:51:18.700 --> 00:51:21.000 you know that maybe they'll be able to get it. 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.100 But anyway to switch gears quickly. 00:51:23.100 --> 00:51:27.300 What's what what are our expectations for a butt Biden presidency? 00:51:27.300 --> 00:51:31.300 Do they try to accomplish anything or do they tore it is this 00:51:31.300 --> 00:51:36.600 really going to be just a restoration of kind of the Pax Americana 00:51:36.600 --> 00:51:42.000 version of Obama's presidency where expansions military? 00:51:42.300 --> 00:51:45.000 Look bindings, you can say this. 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:49.600 He's got his work cut out for him right covid then the economy 00:51:49.600 --> 00:51:54.400 and it's like it's like if he delivers in the first hundred 00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:59.200 days, if he really stepped up to the plate and gets half the 00:51:59.200 --> 00:52:01.200 country vaccinated in the first hundred days. 00:52:01.200 --> 00:52:02.800 This country will love that man. 00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:07.500 That's true if he like really does it with his stimulus 00:52:07.500 --> 00:52:11.500 package and he gets the economy roaring this country will love 00:52:11.500 --> 00:52:13.000 that man. And 00:52:17.200 --> 00:52:19.400 Deliver anything from work. 00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:21.000 Going to get him a little March. 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:37.500 That's that's Madness immediately and you know, 00:52:37.500 --> 00:52:42.000 but I will say will say that's what I think he should do and 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:44.100 if he doesn't he will you know, 00:52:44.100 --> 00:52:45.500 I don't know if he's even going to run again. 00:52:45.500 --> 00:52:49.400 He seems too old already, but he'll be a successful president. 00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.800 But the alternative is is Obama's third term where he just sits around 00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:55.800 so I can't do anything cuz those Republicans are so mean, 00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:02.400 you know, and then you go back to the disappointment 00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:03.600 of the Obama days. 00:53:06.600 --> 00:53:11.100 Like that's why I was so most exciting thing for me about Georgia 00:53:11.100 --> 00:53:13.400 wasn't that I have any expectations are the Dems bet. 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:15.400 They won't be able to blame everything on Republicans 00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:19.000 and they'll be exposed that was the case last time around 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:20.000 2 and they still did that. 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:23.600 I mean that's the number of Obama's first couple of years they 00:53:23.600 --> 00:53:31.600 had and they refused to do away with the filibuster. 00:53:31.600 --> 00:53:35.100 So they tied that they basically tied their own hands and then 00:53:35.100 --> 00:53:39.400 Obama also, I mean, I like him a lot back then but let's be 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:41.800 honest. He was fairly new to Washington. 00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:44.200 You'd only been here for two years before I became president 00:53:44.200 --> 00:53:48.900 it so he was not really able to pull a kind of Lyndon Johnson, 00:53:48.900 --> 00:53:51.900 you know where you get people to vote against vote for things 00:53:51.900 --> 00:53:54.700 that they are against if possible, 00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:57.400 You're the one who told me that he didn't want those things. 00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:11.000 That's the only answer the answer that you have to conclude 00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:13.700 with by the end of his eight years as he just didn't want to 00:54:13.700 --> 00:54:14.200 do these things. 00:54:14.200 --> 00:54:19.200 He just didn't want to he didn't try it because it look smart 00:54:19.200 --> 00:54:21.900 man. He had Rahm Emanuel standing right next to me is one of the 00:54:21.900 --> 00:54:26.500 biggest assholes in Mall of Washington and ROM go down there 00:54:26.500 --> 00:54:29.100 and pull Lyndon Johnson and get this shit done. 00:54:29.100 --> 00:54:31.000 He never forget it. 00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:32.300 Eric Holder right there. 00:54:32.300 --> 00:54:35.700 You could send Eric Holder Niel prosecute these Wall Street 00:54:35.700 --> 00:54:44.100 guys, like a big stink out of this server names are there that 00:54:44.100 --> 00:54:45.200 brought me dogs or whatever. 00:54:46.300 --> 00:54:49.300 Maybe but you know, he works for the present to find another 00:54:49.300 --> 00:54:52.400 wrong. This is it that they lack of imagination of these people 00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:56.400 is always so when you compare it to the Republicans historically, 00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:59.800 I mean not Trump here Trump is just a fucking idiot. 00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:04.200 When you compared to Republicans historically, these guys are 00:55:04.200 --> 00:55:09.300 incredibly resourceful Innovative Dynamic, you know coming 00:55:09.300 --> 00:55:12.400 up with new ideas dreaming it like that like this that story 00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:15.600 I told about George Bush, you know can figuring out how to beat 00:55:15.600 --> 00:55:19.700 Dukakis. It's like let's just talk about Willie Horton constantly 00:55:19.700 --> 00:55:24.900 didn't dream this up with his character called Lee Atwater 00:55:24.900 --> 00:55:35.200 classic Republican, you know a moral character in Banning, 00:55:35.200 --> 00:55:38.500 you know, they've got a whole string of these guys and they're 00:55:38.500 --> 00:55:41.800 they're very very good at the game and the Democratic 00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:43.500 version is like Rahm Emanuel. 00:55:46.200 --> 00:55:50.100 Tough with with the people he needs to get tough with he get 00:55:50.100 --> 00:55:58.800 stuff with like, you know, the Chicago Teachers Union covering 00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.400 up covering up the murder police prove. 00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:15.800 That kid is amazed me about how I felt this morning was how glad 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:20.300 I am that this is going to be over like there's there was no 00:56:20.300 --> 00:56:24.400 entertainment value in the Trump era for most of it. 00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:28.800 I felt there was an element to the way he was covered that like 00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:31.200 always like really bothered me. 00:56:31.200 --> 00:56:35.700 That was a good lie about it that that was just so off-putting 00:56:35.700 --> 00:56:39.900 and I constantly beating up the stupid kid, 00:56:39.900 --> 00:56:42.500 you know, it's like it's like these it's like these guys from 00:56:42.500 --> 00:56:43.000 CNN 00:56:46.200 --> 00:56:49.000 Trick the dummy look I trick the dummy again, 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:52.400 but it look like you fell for it again get us to resist this 00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:58.200 intensity of like, you know self-congratulation 00:56:58.200 --> 00:57:02.100 about how much we were how much more right we were than this 00:57:02.100 --> 00:57:08.200 guy and and it was like a mandatory to everything and I hated 00:57:08.200 --> 00:57:13.900 that I hate when we go when we go to write the history of 00:57:13.900 --> 00:57:18.000 these years will we reckon with that that that Aunt the anti-trump 00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:22.400 attitude which is is loathsome in its own way exactly why I like 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:23.600 the way you described it. 00:57:23.600 --> 00:57:28.500 Yeah and let me know and but it's not know that attitude is 00:57:28.500 --> 00:57:33.700 going to Trump is gone Trump is God is still with us and 00:57:33.700 --> 00:57:34.500 will be with us. 00:57:34.500 --> 00:57:36.800 And then this is where we started the show. 00:57:46.200 --> 00:57:46.900 Get around it. 00:57:46.900 --> 00:57:51.700 And this is our periodical reminder periodic reminder that we 00:57:51.700 --> 00:57:55.000 don't like Trump and there's a lot to go after him for it. 00:57:55.000 --> 00:58:00.700 Just again trying to pull out of Syria or trying to deescalate 00:58:00.700 --> 00:58:12.500 things, you know again that beat the whole and I say this a lot 00:58:12.500 --> 00:58:16.300 but the narrative that he is a Cheeto Mussolini unprecedented 00:58:16.300 --> 00:58:20.600 threat who should have ratcheted things up with Putin was so stupid 00:58:20.600 --> 00:58:27.200 and to find someone that he had so many opportunities 00:58:27.200 --> 00:58:32.000 to be that to me or to be a strong man to be an 00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:33.300 authoritarian and you didn't take them. 00:58:33.300 --> 00:58:36.500 I mean the most perfect one of course was covid-19 is country 00:58:36.500 --> 00:58:40.200 was screaming for him to take charge and show some leadership 00:58:40.200 --> 00:58:44.600 and he did he did nothing and it is 00:58:46.200 --> 00:58:49.300 Don't think he's even mentioned it all he's talked about since 00:58:49.300 --> 00:58:51.000 the election is how he was cheated. 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:55.400 His brain doesn't work. 00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:59.500 Right, He's a genius. 00:58:59.500 --> 00:59:00.800 So is that what it is? 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:04.800 What do you say a very stable genius? 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:14.800 Absolutely. But yeah that kind of like mandatory like get in line 00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:17.500 kind of a thing like it's I feel like it is gone. 00:59:17.500 --> 00:59:20.900 Like I don't feel that same kind of thing today. 00:59:20.900 --> 00:59:22.800 Although maybe they'll find some other time. 00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:27.200 I'm immensely relieved that that that he's gone and that is in 00:59:27.200 --> 00:59:30.100 there. But but then I thought about it and it's like Trump 00:59:30.100 --> 00:59:31.300 was great copy. 00:59:31.300 --> 00:59:33.900 I mean not just for the anti-trump people you described 00:59:33.900 --> 00:59:37.800 but I do know I had a lot of fun with them to with 00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.600 the situation that he set up and think about everything 00:59:40.600 --> 00:59:41.900 we've been describing here. 00:59:41.900 --> 00:59:45.700 He ushered us into a new and really interesting irri. 00:59:46.200 --> 00:59:48.000 And I don't know how we're going to come out of it, of 00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:51.100 course, but like the craziest things have been happening 00:59:51.100 --> 00:59:55.000 the last 4 Years yet, but that was only a few were allowed 00:59:55.000 --> 01:00:00.000 to explore all the angles to write for 4 and Publications 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:23.000 my pundit card got canceled and I guess I did get cancer at plus 01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:28.500 right now if you were born in that we're going to see a lot 01:00:28.500 --> 01:00:29.000 of wolf. 01:00:30.200 --> 01:00:30.900 What is that? 01:00:30.900 --> 01:00:44.400 There's going to be so that we have liked it it go back and 01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:47.700 look at Chris Christopher Hitchens book about Bill Clinton 01:00:47.700 --> 01:00:51.400 is called no one left to lie to and its first time the first 01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:54.500 time anybody wrote about this and he said with Bill Clinton, 01:00:54.500 --> 01:00:57.500 he has he's always reaction or conservative ideas. 01:00:57.500 --> 01:01:00.400 And I forget how hitch and put it but he said that he he he 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.600 muscles them through with a you know, 01:01:03.600 --> 01:01:08.900 like bodyguards bodyguard of political correctness or something 01:01:08.900 --> 01:01:20.400 like that. That's that's actually best better than clintonism. 01:01:30.200 --> 01:01:33.000 Call Simeon 5.2 how much they love lgbtq people. 01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:39.400 And so this is like we saw this example with Jonathan Martin 01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:40.700 and York Times journalist. 01:01:40.700 --> 01:01:47.400 Who when when Cedric Richmond was named to some weird new made 01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:50.800 up position, which turned out by the way is basically a position 01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:53.800 to build a conservative white people. 01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:56.400 Anyway, Cedric Richmond is a black former Congressman 01:01:56.400 --> 01:02:01.800 Terrebonne on energy and when he was named for this new bird 01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:06.100 Vines ministration the sunrise movement spoke out against 01:02:06.100 --> 01:02:09.600 and Jonathan Martin tweeted from the get-go from the beginning 01:02:09.600 --> 01:02:14.500 people are going after buying his most influential black staffer, 01:02:14.500 --> 01:02:16.400 which is exactly what's going to happen. 01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:20.000 Every time someone's criticized Swatch. 01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:27.400 Were you guys at the at the at the 2016 conventions by any chance 01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:29.700 the Democratic one I was 01:02:30.200 --> 01:02:36.000 That moment where the Marine General came out on stage and gave 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.300 that really kind of bloodthirsty speech remember that and there 01:02:39.300 --> 01:02:40.100 was a gas. 01:02:40.100 --> 01:02:44.200 There was an audible gasp in the auditorium and then is a pulled 01:02:44.200 --> 01:02:46.700 back the curtain any other unit of soldiers with me at it like 01:02:46.700 --> 01:02:49.300 a platoon of soldiers with him and they were you know, 01:02:49.300 --> 01:02:50.700 the rain it was a Rainbow Coalition. 01:02:50.700 --> 01:02:53.900 They were from there every year, you know visibly different 01:02:53.900 --> 01:02:58.400 background and that was the first time I ever thought of this 01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:00.500 that this this ideology that you're describing. 01:03:00.500 --> 01:03:03.700 Katie could be the rationale for Empire. 01:03:03.700 --> 01:03:04.700 You could do it. 01:03:04.700 --> 01:03:11.000 You called Conquering the world is saying you're doing it you're 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:18.700 doing it for exactly a really disturbing. 01:03:18.700 --> 01:03:22.500 Yeah, cuz the previous Incarnation was never remember Thomas 01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:28.700 Friedman's golden straitjacket idea like on you. 01:03:28.700 --> 01:03:29.400 Yes. 01:03:30.200 --> 01:03:33.000 Boxers model with Swiss model with Singapore. 01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:36.700 Remember this Singapore has a really interesting you were coming 01:03:36.700 --> 01:03:39.000 full circle Singapore as a really interesting, 01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:40.800 you know, there's a lot of censorship in Singapore, 01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:43.000 but it's not direct route censorship. 01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:47.000 What they do is they have a really big dude like what Trump 01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:47.500 wanted to do. 01:03:47.500 --> 01:03:49.100 They do opened up their libel laws. 01:03:49.100 --> 01:03:54.600 If you insult a politician in Singapore he can sue you any kind 01:03:54.600 --> 01:04:01.000 of political speech is inherently constantly any opposition 01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:04.200 politician that rises up through them into bankruptcy 01:04:04.200 --> 01:04:08.100 and they take like a newspaper like so that I used to write 01:04:08.100 --> 01:04:11.900 for the Wall Street Journal Wall Street Journal is it's not banned 01:04:11.900 --> 01:04:15.000 in Singapore. What they do is they limit their circulation 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:19.100 so they can all be on the island. 01:04:19.100 --> 01:04:22.700 Wow, that's like that. 01:04:22.700 --> 01:04:24.300 Yeah, and that's that. 01:04:24.300 --> 01:04:25.200 That's the model. 01:04:25.200 --> 01:04:29.600 It's a very modern day model for censorship is very clever. 01:04:30.200 --> 01:04:32.400 yeah, well, that's that's what I that's what went through 01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:36.000 my mind with all this addition stuff is it it's going to become 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.000 a way to 01:04:39.300 --> 01:04:44.200 to you know, artificially reduce certain kinds of media speech 01:04:44.200 --> 01:04:45.600 to write because you're there. 01:04:45.600 --> 01:04:50.000 They're going to expand the definition of that but that wouldn't 01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:51.100 be private what you're talking about. 01:04:51.100 --> 01:04:53.300 Is it going to be a highly weird. 01:04:53.300 --> 01:04:55.800 Of our history and I'm kind of looking forward to it. 01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:57.300 I was turning around by the way, 01:04:57.300 --> 01:05:06.900 you're doing an order a copy of the people know history of answer 01:05:06.900 --> 01:05:18.700 it right now with one of my maybe you should listen up liberal. 01:05:18.700 --> 01:05:29.800 Yeah. Well, actually, I don't know about that. 01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:32.500 Did you see I saw one of the funniest things I've seen on Twitter 01:05:32.500 --> 01:05:35.900 recently was somebody took a photo in a in a bookstore. 01:05:35.900 --> 01:05:38.200 You know, what a real book store not Amazon. 01:05:39.200 --> 01:05:41.000 It was a remainder table. 01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:53.500 That was great you write 1 write as a start. 01:05:53.500 --> 01:05:57.600 Didn't you write a book about Trump Insane Clown president 01:05:57.600 --> 01:06:06.600 today was crazy in the Ativan the end of the I would say a 01:06:06.600 --> 01:06:09.000 really poor for your experience. 01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:13.100 So I'm glad they'll be happy sharing sharing commemorating 01:06:13.100 --> 01:06:16.100 all that with both of you and how about weight? 01:06:16.100 --> 01:06:17.700 How about pants rising to the occasion? 01:06:17.700 --> 01:06:18.600 Did you see that? 01:06:18.600 --> 01:06:32.000 I have a bottle of Rioja and I am going to consume it because 01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:38.300 there's no party here in Washington no parties to go to for buying 01:06:38.300 --> 01:06:38.400 tonight. 01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:41.700 Play that be all so you have your choice Randy all sorts of wonderful 01:06:41.700 --> 01:06:43.700 things going on, but just feel fine. 01:06:43.700 --> 01:06:54.400 We're Hunter Biden is and you'll be all right. 01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:55.800 I'll let you up. 01:06:55.800 --> 01:07:04.100 It's just fun, right? 01:07:04.100 --> 01:07:05.100 All right, that was awesome. 01:07:05.100 --> 01:07:07.700 We're happier than we were a day ago. 01:07:07.700 --> 01:07:11.600 So and then it's probably all going downhill from here, 01:07:11.600 --> 01:07:13.600 but won't be there to tell you all about it. 01:07:15.900 --> 01:07:20.100 Hit subscribe and then hit the bell ring reviews on wherever 01:07:20.100 --> 01:07:25.000 you listen to us and never ever listen to or watch a positive 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:30.900 if you're thinking about doing that and and thank you Thomas 01:07:30.900 --> 01:07:35.300 track for next week.