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- We got into politics,

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we got into government,

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in part, to solve problems,

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to open more doors,

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to create a different political culture.

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We learned the importance of storytelling

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and inspiring people

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to think beyond their own circumstances.

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- [KC] Hillary Clinton has gotta be

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one of the gutsiest women in America.

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The former Secretary of State,
and presidential candidate,

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made her mark in politics.

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And lately, she's been
shifting her attention

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to Hidden Light Productions,

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a film and TV production company

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she started with her daughter, Chelsea.

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One of their latest projects is Gutsy,

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a docu-series adapted from
their New York Times bestseller,

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"The Book of Gutsy Women."

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In their new show,

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Hillary and Chelsea travel

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across the U.S., and overseas,

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interviewing activists, entertainers,

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and community leaders,

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whose work has been just
as transformative for them,

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as it's been impactful to others.

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I met up with Hillary and Chelsea

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to talk about Gutsy,

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and whether a show meant
to spark conversation

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will be able to do so

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in an increasingly divided country.

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- We were approached by Sam Branson.

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He was like, "You know,

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these are the kind of
stories we wanna tell,

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we want people to know
about these incredible women

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from all over space and time.

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And I would love to
work with you on that."

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And the first thing we took
out to the market was Gutsy.

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And we pitched Gutsy,
and Apple TV+ bought it,

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and so we were off and running.

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- [Chelsea] Here we go.

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(uplifting music)

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- [Hillary] We're hitting
the road to shine a light

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on women who inspire us
to be bolder and braver.

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- [KC] One thing that I'm grateful for

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is the fact that you are spotlighting

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a lot of women who I had never heard of.

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I mean, there's obviously a
ton of star power in this.

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I mean, Megan Thee Stallion,

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Kim Kardashian, Gloria Steinem.

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Like, there's a lot of headliner names,

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but there's so many women that
we have not heard enough of,

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if anything at all.

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- We really want to highlight stories

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of exceptional, remarkable, gutsy people.

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After we met with Jackie, I said,

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"Okay. I want that woman in
any foxhole I end up in."

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I mean, I've been in a few foxholes.

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I've never had anybody that
provoked more confidence.

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Yes ma'am, I'll do
whatever you tell me to.

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- [KC] What was that
selection process like for you

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in deciding whose stories to tell

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and what issues to highlight?

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- It was a long, kind of
iterative conversation

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about which themes to focus on.

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Some of which we knew we had to include,

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like we really knew we had
to include earth defenders

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and climate justice activists.

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We knew we wanted to
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criminal justice reform.

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We knew we wanted to include
people standing up to hate.

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- This is the first production of yours

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where you two are in front of the camera.

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I find that interesting, because as hosts,

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I mean, you are interviewing these women,

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you are stepping into their worlds,

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you're getting your hands dirty.

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What made you want to be the hosts?

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- It was outside my comfort zone.

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I'll be really honest with you here.

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- I mean, you wear a
clown nose at one point.

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- Oh! Oh, the things I did on this show

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that I never, not only, had done before,

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but ever thought I would do.

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And the clown nose ranks right up there.

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But the getting outside
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made it possible for me to really connect

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with these other women,

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because I didn't wanna
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Part of what we did when
we conceived of the series

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is say, well, let's do
something with them.

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You know, it's not just
another interview series.

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It's not just another
talking head documentary.

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What are we gonna do with these women?

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- Well, and let's do what they wanna do!

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- And we let them choose! Right?

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And so, it became

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a great experience

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for, you know, me personally,

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and I think for you, too.

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- Absolutely.

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- Storytelling has such an
impact on starting conversations

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and opening dialogue and people's minds

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to new ideas, and things.

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But do you think

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we're too far gone as a society

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to have those meaningful
conversations anymore?

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- Oh, that's such a sad
but important question.

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- [KC] Yeah.

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- You know, if this series helps

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to provoke some of those conversations

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so that people,

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like I had an aha moment,

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I had a bunch of them.

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We need to talk about that.

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An example is when we did the, you know,

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gutsy women refuse hate,

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and we talked first to, you know,

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women who had been in
white supremacy groups.

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- Who you were quite skeptical about.

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- [Hillary] I was.
- I was wondering about that.

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- Well, I mean,

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when we were asked,
- I mean, I was too.

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will we go to Georgia

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and meet someone who was
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and is now trying to deprogram people,

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I don't know.

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And yet, you know, kind of,

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again, getting outta my comfort zone.

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Okay. We oughta have conversations.

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- How was it stepping into

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that situation?
- I think that we felt

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the responsibility to listen

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because there was a real
effort to take responsibility

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for the harm.

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And to have accountability,

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and to be part of trying to

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help others move out of,
kind of, the echo chambers

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and, kind of, morass of hate and evil,

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and also to try to help prevent
others from being seduced,

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'cause it often, as
they were describing it,

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really was this seduction into, kind of,

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the easy answers

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of white supremacy,

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kind of the easy, kind of, villains,

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the easy explanation for victimhood,

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and then the easy, kind of,

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ostensible antidote to all of that.

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- It's really, really hard.

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I mean, it's hard to talk
to people that you know,

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in your extended family,

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who believe things that
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and we're not breaking through,

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and pretty much the dialogue stops.

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And this has gone on in
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around the world.

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But right now, we feel
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and everything that is
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You know, if we're living
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the algorithms favor negativity.

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They favor conspiracy theories.

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And I don't pretend that, you know,

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we're gonna be able to switch that off,

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or overcome it,

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but there's got to be a
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to create these moments
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Not that people agree.

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Because, you know, at the end of the day,

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you're certainly privileged not to,

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but that we will have talked
and listened to each other.