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The Maple Leafs drop
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an in division opponent and as

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Easton Cowan deserve
more ice time.

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Hey everyone, welcome
to Inside the Leafs.

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Rob Wong, joined
alongside by Toronto Sun,

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Maple Leafs writers Lance
Hornby and Terry Kocian.

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And guys, a tough one for
the Maple Leafs on Saturday,

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losing to the Ottawa Senators,

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a game where they played
two pretty good periods.

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But the third period
was a different story,

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with the senators
pulling away and

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picking up the two
points in regulation.

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Of course, the line
of Gavin McKenna,

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John Tavares and William
Nylander had, I guess,

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a better night on the stat
sheet in some ways, Terry,

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but continues to be
one line that a lot of

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people are pointing
out just doesn't

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seem to be working
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When you've got an 18 year old,

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you've got an aging Centerman
and William Nylander,

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who on some nights you're
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going to get in
the defensive end.

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Where do you go if
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where you've got a couple
of lines working in

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the first and third line and

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a second line that you
desperately need to get going.

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Well, it's, you know, it's,

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it's a small sample size
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but it's not encouraging
like you're alluding to.

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Rob. Um, the line

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is getting buried more
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uh, giving up a lot of
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Um, you know, the most among
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even really close and

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offensively not doing
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You know, there was a play
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Ottawa where it stood out.

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Maybe because we just
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Tavares spins off a defender
deep in the Leafs zone.

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He crashes into the boards.

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Tavares takes the
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There's a give and
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and there's a really good
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It kind of got you to

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your seat a bit and
then you realize,

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wait a minute, this isn't
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And you know outside of that,

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what Lance first minute goal
for Nylander in the opener.

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I mean, uh, which was
a hell of a goal.

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There hasn't just there
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of a flash from 88.

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So, uh, it's, it's a
tough call for, uh.

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Or maybe it's not a tough call

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for for, uh, coach Jim Hiller.

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Maybe we'll see at practice
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been some changes or
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But, you know, um,

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McKenna to, to
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I know there's a
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going on and everything, but,

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you know, and we've seen
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but one of the other
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sticks out to me is how,

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how light this guy
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a good thing for a losing and

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that sort of thing
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But he's getting knocked off

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the puck fairly easily at times.

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Lance, we can see a difference
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And in waist up
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I mean, what is this 164

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so I don't know how you get
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how much how much that
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has been and hasn't
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that going into this
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a week ago with the
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that we wouldn't have
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McCowan looking
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McKenna looking for
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going into game four
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So I don't know what
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Um, you know, does Nylander
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Well, guess what? We've been
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Perhaps he does,
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it's a bit of a conundrum for,

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uh, an early one for
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you got Nylander and
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who both like to, uh, dangle or,

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uh, try some, uh,

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fancy stuff with the puck.

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And that hasn't worked.

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Certainly McKenna
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in the last couple
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exhibition play,
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big people and skilled people
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are anticipating
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And they're, uh,
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uh, you know, impacting
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Uh, Nylander has
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So we know that's,
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uh, who is great down low,

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uh, he, uh, you know,

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when he has to get back
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those three things
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Yes. It's early,
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and we'll have to see
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uh, what they do.

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But I think one more home game,

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just especially when Jim
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I think he keeps those
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uh, see what might be happening.

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you know, something
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then maybe I believe he's
got one more practice

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before they go on the
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uh, straighten, straighten
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So, uh, it, uh,

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you know, it is a lot
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has played better
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there's been some chances that

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they've missed a
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uh, Nylander and, uh,

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a couple of other times
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he's just missed that
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I'm sure he'd like
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especially after Stenberg got

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his first in the last
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So I have to see what,

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uh, what shakes out.

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uh, McKenna talked about.

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I got to get inside more,

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uh, than the Terry's point.

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He is pretty late, so it's
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especially against really
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to try and get inside.

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That's that's not his forte.

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You know he's a playmaker.

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be a little bit more
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with his passes
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some of the stuff
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in junior in the NCAA
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Well, one guy that has
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been Easton Cowan early
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Lance. And I think some people

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are wondering if maybe
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you flip Gavin McKenna
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the second and third line,

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but does not seem like
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As you said, if the Leafs decide

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to keep these lines for
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But is there an
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Jim Hiller to just get Easton
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because it's clear that he

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has taken a step
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uh, big season
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Well, discussed it with
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and he certainly likes the extra

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power play time that he gets.

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And certainly he's earned
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uh, of, uh, of a
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in the, uh, in the leaf,

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uh, in the leaf,

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uh, lineup, uh, hierarchy.

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Uh, I think, uh, you
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He kind of flew
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all the attention about McKenna

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and certainly came to
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Uh, I really like
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I forget which Ottawa
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got under his skin and
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uh, stick exchange and
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uh, you know, again, he's

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not the tallest
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I think he's topped
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He stopped growing.

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the way he plays as a
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he has to, uh,

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you know, expect that
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sign that he's been able to

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do that offensive,
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I believe Jim Hiller used
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He could be the straw that
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the way things have
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it's going to, you
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I guess, is there
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line with, uh, with
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That seems to work really well.

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So, uh, you know, the temptation

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to move him up is there the,

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the temptation to
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the Leafs are playing,
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with that line half
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uh, is going to be interesting.

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Well, if they keep
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tomorrow night as they
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and a result is
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saw like a one goal loss
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there won't be any
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He's been their best forward,

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uh, top to bottom.

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Easton Cowan has been.

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And yes, he does
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Does it come at the expense of

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Gavin McKenna on the
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Uh, do you, you know,

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are we sold yet on Jack
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uh, with, um, with
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I'm not, uh, one assist for
Roslovic through three games.

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Is that something
that's a long term fix?

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Their solution. Whatever the
word is, we'll have to see.

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Uh, but if Callan keeps
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You love what Paul
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He should not be
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He's got to be a top
six guy, period.

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And you know, we'll
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I mean, maybe they come out of

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tomorrow night with a victory.

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And you know we can
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that uh a bit no matter
how that might come.

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Mccowan's, uh, you
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the tenacity, the,
the puck skills.

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It's been a nice combination.

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The kids never lacked
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I mean, my God, he wins

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championships every
spring, right?

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He's got two with the London
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with the Marlies last year,

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of which he was a vital
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So Easton McCowan is a third
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I guess there's a bit of
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And like in that
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with Paul and Sissons,
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He's emerging more
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less of a third line player,
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And, uh, but that's
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That's what you want. You know,

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you, you're, if you're Cowan,

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you want to be pushing the
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Hiller's hand and giving

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the coaching staff
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it's exactly what he's
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I don't see him as a
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We'll see what comes
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I quickly add that,
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McKenna was very
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watching Paul and Sissons as,

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and really appreciating
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So maybe beneficial
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I don't know how much of

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a good fit he'd be
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Yeah. And you know,
you're right, Lance.

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about is McKenna's
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be a shot to it if
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uh, change there and he's

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a mature kid, he'd
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but maybe it's a move that they

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think he could handle.
We'll have to see.

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Yeah, we'll have to see
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as the Maple Leafs will

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practice on Monday before
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Nashville on Tuesday at
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As always, leave your thoughts
in the comment section

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below for Lance Hornby
and Terry Shannon.

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Rob Long, thanks for watching

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and we'll catch you
on the next one.