WEBVTT 00:00:00.500 --> 00:00:02.600 Well, maybe aren't we? We 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:03.400 just met today? 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:16.800 I don't even know which. 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:18.700 They would, I just have so much to ask you. 00:00:18.700 --> 00:00:28.000 The first time. 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:32.200 I was really made aware of your work was by my mother, 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:36.700 might have been a reaction to something that I was watching 00:00:36.700 --> 00:00:40.000 or listening. That was maybe not so good. 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:52.300 She said I got to show you some on top of the pops. 00:00:52.300 --> 00:00:53.200 Take Me to the River. 00:00:57.800 --> 00:01:00.000 I had never seen anything like it in my life. 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:05.000 I completely understood everything you were doing and the perfect 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:11.800 mixture of what I like most about you Clara chassis and mystery 00:01:11.800 --> 00:01:15.000 as I watched it over and over which I've been good. 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:38.500 I must say, I think that point I must have been really nervous 00:01:38.500 --> 00:01:42.000 and terrified. They're going on a show like that. 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:53.400 My movements were probably a little sketchy but that's me. 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:54.300 That's what I do. 00:01:54.300 --> 00:01:57.900 Nothing to be ashamed of what I do. 00:01:57.900 --> 00:01:59.400 Or what do may? 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:01.300 I was thinking? 00:02:01.300 --> 00:02:11.700 I might even then I was like, 00:02:11.700 --> 00:02:13.300 show me something cool. 00:02:13.300 --> 00:02:25.300 Okay, that's good. 00:02:25.300 --> 00:02:27.000 Cuz it's, it's a really long time. 00:02:34.100 --> 00:02:35.000 Where is that? 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:49.900 Like it very much immediately, but one of the things that struck 00:02:49.900 --> 00:02:58.700 me, I was listening to the harmonies. 00:02:58.700 --> 00:03:03.400 Musically. I thought this is really strip down. 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:04.500 This is 00:03:05.600 --> 00:03:08.100 just what you need as far as the beets and 00:03:09.200 --> 00:03:11.900 keyboard some things that were there and no more, 00:03:11.900 --> 00:03:16.500 which I completely knocked me out. 00:03:16.500 --> 00:03:21.800 I thought, wow, my impulsive, maybe you feel things up. 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:26.700 I thought you were somebody who is kind of empty things out and 00:03:26.700 --> 00:03:29.600 taking away everything that you might not be needed. 00:03:29.600 --> 00:03:34.600 And if something's better for that was really. 00:03:34.600 --> 00:03:38.700 Well. I don't know if I've been able to do that but really 00:03:43.300 --> 00:03:44.900 It's very nice. 00:03:44.900 --> 00:03:58.100 And I really didn't want any. 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:06.900 He really likes me. 00:04:06.900 --> 00:04:11.100 And I feel like I have gotten more Maxwell as I become a bit 00:04:11.100 --> 00:04:19.100 of producer Bushido back again. 00:04:19.100 --> 00:04:23.400 Did you get any pushback or or in the beginning or do you go to 00:04:23.400 --> 00:04:27.200 add add this and that in the other? 00:04:27.200 --> 00:04:31.100 How do you say that? 00:04:31.100 --> 00:04:36.000 I try released Royals on my SoundCloud, 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:43.700 just for free as part of an EPA and through quickly kind of pic. 00:04:46.500 --> 00:04:49.000 They would like, well, you know, full well, 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:52.600 the real version like, you might need to put a bit more into 00:04:52.600 --> 00:05:00.200 it, and I was like, oh now will fill it. 00:05:00.200 --> 00:05:22.700 Doing. It was still be on Soundcloud for free and sensitive. 00:05:24.200 --> 00:05:27.200 This is what this wants to be not. 00:05:27.200 --> 00:05:40.800 This being young and making stuff you have taste but you don't 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:44.400 have skill. And so you make things and you know, 00:05:44.400 --> 00:05:49.300 they're not right, but you'll taste isn't acting that get you 00:05:49.300 --> 00:06:01.700 there. So I feel like that was a big boys had like my ear 00:06:01.700 --> 00:06:03.500 and just holding. 00:06:03.500 --> 00:06:05.700 You want to keep away from her. 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:12.300 New album. Oh, yeah, I'm jealous of songwriters. 00:06:12.300 --> 00:06:16.400 Who can really put specific things in a song like this one. 00:06:16.400 --> 00:06:24.100 You mentioned the Laurel Canyon Country Store and because 00:06:24.100 --> 00:06:30.600 it's so it's so specific the place the life the culture around 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:35.000 there. It kind of really just my name in that place. 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:47.000 But I live there in the mid-80s groceries or pizza or whatever 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:53.500 it was you if you were living in that area. 00:06:53.500 --> 00:06:54.200 So if 00:06:57.200 --> 00:07:01.200 Can you think of other specifics or ones that you? 00:07:02.500 --> 00:07:06.400 Something one, play some other songs that you've done or the 00:07:06.400 --> 00:07:07.300 other people have done. 00:07:08.500 --> 00:07:10.300 Sometimes people Mansion Street. 00:07:10.300 --> 00:07:22.100 Yeah, I like. 00:07:32.700 --> 00:07:40.400 I used to sing a lot cuz I like treating my work like a 00:07:40.400 --> 00:07:44.600 little map that is just for me that I can put things. 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.800 I really only have meaning to me. 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:53.400 Although sometimes feels like 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:59.400 Like a scrapbook or map or something wrong like a cab in that 00:07:59.400 --> 00:08:02.600 butterfly to that board and that's for me. 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:07.400 So that kind of I wish I could write. 00:08:08.100 --> 00:08:11.700 Would generally goodbye to that place. 00:08:15.400 --> 00:08:28.000 And that life wasn't coming to America exciting. 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:30.400 I remember, I for myself. 00:08:31.400 --> 00:08:32.400 Yes, there were times. I 00:08:32.400 --> 00:08:35.500 would get swallowed up in like I'm crazy like not too much 00:08:35.500 --> 00:08:41.300 a little bit and then, but there were times also where you out 00:08:41.300 --> 00:08:44.800 there, you get up in the morning and I step outside. 00:08:46.500 --> 00:08:50.400 For people who live in New York, 00:08:50.400 --> 00:08:59.800 or I can have your coffee outside. 00:08:59.800 --> 00:09:13.700 I've been collecting a lot of every time I hear an interesting 00:09:13.700 --> 00:09:17.700 quote about California, I write it down cuz it's a place that 00:09:17.700 --> 00:09:26.600 I don't understand it all, but I just like sort of The Nightmare 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:29.400 way for someone to describe you, but 00:09:35.500 --> 00:09:36.500 I wanted to know. 00:09:37.900 --> 00:09:42.900 You strike me as someone with a big Rolodex and tubes of like 00:09:42.900 --> 00:09:48.400 collaborators and friends, who would have make things. 00:09:48.400 --> 00:09:49.900 Is that something that's important to you. 00:09:49.900 --> 00:09:52.900 Will? Do you do sick that out for? 00:09:54.100 --> 00:09:56.600 I'll be back in a little bit, 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:06.700 the other or 00:10:07.700 --> 00:10:11.200 Maybe it might be fun for film was something that can you do this. 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:15.100 And that they have specific needs and you have your own kind 00:10:15.100 --> 00:10:16.700 of far, maybe a little bit. 00:10:16.700 --> 00:10:20.600 You. I mean, we have an idea of what we're capable of them. 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:24.600 What our comfort zone is, and we're dumping out of there asking 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:31.900 for something beyond what we're comfortable or able to do was 00:10:31.900 --> 00:10:35.900 recently for a film by these. 00:10:35.900 --> 00:10:37.900 Two guys are both named. 00:10:37.900 --> 00:10:45.100 Daniel. Is it out? 00:10:45.100 --> 00:10:48.000 I don't know when exactly it's coming. 00:10:49.500 --> 00:10:53.500 Someone on the music team that I actually knew you connected 00:10:53.500 --> 00:11:01.900 with a group in the American Midwest named song Lux them a little 00:11:01.900 --> 00:11:03.800 bit and they approached me. 00:11:03.800 --> 00:11:09.500 So we're doing the score but we want to do a song and was 00:11:09.500 --> 00:11:14.400 thinking that you and mitski do the song. 00:11:14.400 --> 00:11:27.200 Yeah. I mean, I can't wait to hear that. 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:28.600 She came onto. 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:38.500 Okay? Yeah. Yeah. 00:11:38.500 --> 00:11:45.700 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he has I should have known you would come. 00:11:49.500 --> 00:11:55.300 She has some amazing movement on stage that I could do that. 00:11:55.300 --> 00:12:05.400 But kissing that hand Burger, when you doing a show to begin 00:12:05.400 --> 00:12:06.500 with, these are the songs. 00:12:06.500 --> 00:12:08.700 I think I'm going to do what do I want to say? 00:12:08.700 --> 00:12:11.500 Visually, I what do I want to see? 00:12:11.500 --> 00:12:14.400 How do you break it down? 00:12:14.400 --> 00:12:17.600 And I am pretty. 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:24.900 Conceptual. I will say somewhat embarrassingly so it's often 00:12:24.900 --> 00:12:31.200 kind of whatever songs I choose and how is service off this 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:37.000 light, you know, the more of the umbrella but only have like 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:44.600 I have had to control from. 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:48.600 Remember my first album, you were just play the whole album 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:56.100 and then a couple of bit more. 00:12:56.100 --> 00:12:58.800 So 00:12:59.800 --> 00:13:02.500 But it's for you said, just for a conceptual. 00:13:02.500 --> 00:13:06.600 But then the conceptual is going to be balanced by the songs 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:08.300 with her. Very emotional. 00:13:08.300 --> 00:13:16.100 Yeah, it's, it'll be interesting doing this one cuz it's quiet. 00:13:16.100 --> 00:13:20.400 It's something. I don't know yet how it will kind of mesh with 00:13:20.400 --> 00:13:21.100 the other stuff. 00:13:21.100 --> 00:13:26.300 But do you know the context of your shows? 00:13:26.300 --> 00:13:33.800 I mean, it's time for confession here and I visit a real meaning 00:13:33.800 --> 00:13:39.500 to this. I have willfully not seen American Utopia because 00:13:39.500 --> 00:13:48.100 I wanted to say it in the flesh like I, 00:13:48.100 --> 00:13:52.800 you know, we've been had this planned every day of school. 00:13:59.800 --> 00:14:02.500 ignore, get away because I just really 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:13.500 You know, I guess I've experienced you sort of combining 00:14:13.500 --> 00:14:19.800 songs from records within a show in a way that was easy for you 00:14:19.800 --> 00:14:23.000 to do. You don't mind sort of putting them all together 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:29.600 or I know I've learned that you do have to play some of the 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:47.000 hits for the audience aware and it didn't record like that. 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:58.800 And you were few of the Iranians have never heard. 00:14:58.800 --> 00:15:00.800 The only had a good time, but I realized, 00:15:00.800 --> 00:15:03.800 I think they really would have liked to have her. 00:15:08.900 --> 00:15:11.600 Unlike a rose. 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:15.900 Puzzles made begun likes, ate a movie or play. 00:15:15.900 --> 00:15:18.600 You're not expect you to like what, 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:21.600 you know that seeing that you did in there. 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:34.000 The one before that we really liked music has a different 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:35.000 thing. Music is repeatable. 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:47.900 That way, again, very kind of conceptual frame, 00:15:47.900 --> 00:15:52.500 whether it's the staging or what the band is going to be, 00:15:52.500 --> 00:15:54.500 how we're going to present ourselves. 00:15:54.500 --> 00:16:00.000 And then you're like the emotion kind of takes care of itself 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:00.700 in a way. 00:16:00.700 --> 00:16:02.300 It kind of comes through. 00:16:02.300 --> 00:16:03.900 I don't have to, 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:06.900 Good, but I do have do as you said, 00:16:06.900 --> 00:16:11.700 enlist choreographer. I work with a conflict director who acted 00:16:11.700 --> 00:16:14.500 as a dramaturge looking at kind of, 00:16:14.500 --> 00:16:17.900 what kind of story was being told through the song, 00:16:17.900 --> 00:16:30.400 beginning anything. I think maybe there was a kind of progression. 00:16:30.400 --> 00:16:38.900 So yes, I learned a little bit and also learned that guy don't 00:16:38.900 --> 00:16:41.700 know when it works until you put in front of an audience. 00:16:41.700 --> 00:16:47.400 You can't tell if they're getting it until you can see if they're 00:16:47.400 --> 00:16:54.700 getting it all of that and then nothing. 00:17:04.500 --> 00:17:09.100 Persians together in that. 00:17:09.100 --> 00:17:12.200 You see a lot that you would not see it as an audience member 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:18.500 true. They are, there was an order that I felt important 00:17:18.500 --> 00:17:32.600 relationship between classy and mystery in your work. 00:17:32.600 --> 00:17:38.400 Because I remember as a teenager the I was friends with a lot 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:44.700 of kids who I guess we're going to go to that school and they 00:17:44.700 --> 00:17:47.000 wanted me to like it and that some of it, 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:53.500 I would try and be able to understand sort of push through 00:17:53.500 --> 00:18:00.800 the Polyphonic intricacy and I realized later that 00:18:01.900 --> 00:18:05.000 That's not, that wasn't really my failing, 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:10.200 Wee Ones failing but to do with how classy and mystery of being 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:15.300 used in winter when it maybe needs to be a Sprinkle more of why 00:18:15.300 --> 00:18:16.000 do the other? 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:27.500 This was music that they were and I would just try so hard and it 00:18:27.500 --> 00:18:29.300 would break my brain, but didn't like over. 00:18:29.300 --> 00:18:31.600 See you working. 00:18:31.600 --> 00:18:36.300 Looks like oh, yeah, that that mystery. 00:18:36.300 --> 00:18:39.800 That I have a Clarity that I need. 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:45.800 Do you lean towards one or the other. 00:18:45.800 --> 00:18:48.900 Do you know when it's right to go to? 00:18:48.900 --> 00:18:49.400 Why not? 00:18:52.900 --> 00:18:53.800 More. 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:59.200 Ambiguous kind of abstract lyrics that are more generalizations, 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:04.800 but my dream is to get more specifics mixed in there to kind of 00:19:04.800 --> 00:19:08.000 grounded in a place or time or whatever. 00:19:09.300 --> 00:19:11.600 I realized. 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:14.200 I love the song. 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:17.200 That's all questions, but I don't like too many of them, 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:18.800 but I have collections of 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:24.900 Possible lyrics things that I've read in a book or somewhere 00:19:24.900 --> 00:19:25.000 else. 00:19:29.500 --> 00:19:31.500 Play Christian, the song. 00:19:31.500 --> 00:19:46.800 Are you putting on a performance to and what if you put on my 00:19:46.800 --> 00:19:50.400 performance and I put on your performance and I went on like 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:55.900 it went down like that. 00:19:56.800 --> 00:19:59.800 But you, you you're so good with that. 00:19:59.800 --> 00:20:11.500 But what I think of is a Melody easy to access the song reaction. 00:20:12.600 --> 00:20:25.300 Oh, I know it's always fine. 00:20:25.300 --> 00:20:27.800 I don't know if I don't think in the beginning. 00:20:27.800 --> 00:20:28.900 I was able to do it. 00:20:28.900 --> 00:20:37.000 I think well, thank you stomach. 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:40.400 Sound like a little bit desperate trying to get across, 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:44.900 which is a good thing to remember. 00:20:48.500 --> 00:20:53.400 Buying the song books from different artists, 00:20:53.400 --> 00:21:02.800 but it's not see how this is done. 00:21:02.800 --> 00:21:10.000 Learn to learn to play the guitar and I think, 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:16.300 oh, oh, oh look, you can go from this card to that cord and 00:21:16.300 --> 00:21:20.100 it'll take the melody somewhere there, which is has this kind 00:21:20.100 --> 00:21:22.800 of emotional lift to it right there. 00:21:38.800 --> 00:21:42.000 But yes, I feel like I've learned that a little bit. 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:49.400 At least in my opinion. 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:51.700 There's nothing wrong with the song. 00:21:51.700 --> 00:21:57.000 Sounding beautiful. You can actually say something quite profound 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:04.500 something kind of radical even but it can sound then the melody 00:22:04.500 --> 00:22:10.000 or the weights on or whatever can be something that conveys 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:11.600 a really radical idea. 00:22:11.600 --> 00:22:17.000 And I thought, oh, yeah, but you can stick and sound very beautiful 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:22.100 and seductive on the surface and then it sucks you into something 00:22:22.100 --> 00:22:24.100 where it might really change your way of thinking. 00:22:24.100 --> 00:22:28.500 It's interesting. So you were sort of there was a time when 00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:34.000 you were not wanting things to sound beautiful where I thought. 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:37.600 That's all good. 00:22:37.600 --> 00:22:38.200 That's all good. 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:45.600 But I'm afraid that if things sounded too beautiful or pretty, 00:22:45.600 --> 00:22:47.300 then they were 00:22:48.200 --> 00:23:01.300 Shallop, whatever and doing that. 00:23:01.300 --> 00:23:04.700 Why we're at now they're saying something really. 00:23:05.700 --> 00:23:07.300 Really deep and important. 00:23:07.300 --> 00:23:11.200 And yet the song is really beautiful and I still listen to it. 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:20.300 Okay, if it can be done, we do for such fine. 00:23:20.300 --> 00:23:26.700 I just I really don't have a good answer for that. 00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:31.600 And it's a it's a real problem that I'm try to go a little 00:23:31.600 --> 00:23:33.600 nuts to Stage for myself. 00:23:33.600 --> 00:23:36.600 Go over to an area of something. 00:23:36.600 --> 00:23:40.200 Them may from the past is trying to tell me from the future 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:42.400 and I feel very like I'm like, 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:54.500 okay, I know that stuff. 00:23:54.500 --> 00:24:01.200 It's just something that 00:24:05.800 --> 00:24:07.300 Does it help if you have? 00:24:09.100 --> 00:24:11.000 Things more less mapped out. 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:15.200 If there's less that does not happen. 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:23.900 Nothing. It's like, since I was a kid, 00:24:23.900 --> 00:24:34.500 I would do ya. 00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:48.100 Like I knew I had to say I would throw myself on a stage 00:24:48.100 --> 00:25:01.100 and do us a speech creep, back into myself and now you can go 00:25:01.100 --> 00:25:02.500 before you go on stage. 00:25:09.100 --> 00:25:12.600 Like, maybe I could get out that door and run down the street 00:25:12.600 --> 00:25:14.000 to get away from here. 00:25:29.100 --> 00:25:30.900 No, I haven't bought that in a while. 00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:36.600 I wanted to know, if it's something that I think about and it's 00:25:36.600 --> 00:25:40.900 the idea of pool shows, like in your work. 00:25:40.900 --> 00:25:47.100 Can you think of like, anytime a portal opened up with it was 00:25:47.100 --> 00:25:51.100 like missing someone or making something we would like. 00:25:51.100 --> 00:25:51.900 Oh, this is it. 00:25:51.900 --> 00:25:56.700 This is the next one dimension of what kind of a weird question. 00:25:56.700 --> 00:26:05.500 I wonder what you will be there. 00:26:05.500 --> 00:26:10.400 I went from like the Talking Heads being a free PS4 for peace, 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:18.000 that musically. 00:26:18.900 --> 00:26:22.700 Unstable. I went to stand with, as I said, 00:26:22.700 --> 00:26:27.200 working with a large lap band and not felt different emotionally. 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:29.400 I felt a bit like we're talkin. 00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:34.200 Feels like you were really part of this community and they was 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.000 kind of supporting you and everybody was supporting one another 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:38.300 and then he wants you. 00:26:38.300 --> 00:26:41.800 Of learning to write a little bit. 00:26:41.800 --> 00:26:47.100 What I sent felt felt a little bit more beautiful songs sometime 00:26:47.100 --> 00:26:57.100 once in awhile, I've done now, I think 00:26:58.600 --> 00:27:03.400 To New Stage musicals, that was a very different way of working. 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:10.300 It was a thing where the writing has to tell us Pacific story 00:27:10.300 --> 00:27:12.400 from a specific character's point-of-view. 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.200 So I had to learn how to do that. 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:23.000 Luckily. I kind of had been doing that all that hard, 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:26.000 but it just had to be a little bit more specific and now, 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:36.600 I don't know if you feel like Alyssa's, 00:27:36.600 --> 00:27:41.000 like a really Vivid, all of what I'm supposed to do, 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.100 making the show in that way. 00:27:43.100 --> 00:27:49.700 I was kind of aware that this is kind of a radical idea. 00:27:49.700 --> 00:27:53.700 And it were people like it. 00:27:53.700 --> 00:27:57.500 They like the songs the show, 00:27:58.300 --> 00:28:05.400 And so I thought maybe because it's beginning in the middle 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:11.900 and it's not just so yeah, I did. 00:28:11.900 --> 00:28:15.500 I was aware that we kind of had something yet. 00:28:15.500 --> 00:28:17.500 I didn't want to 00:28:19.100 --> 00:28:24.600 The two big had about it, but I felt like I do think we 00:28:24.600 --> 00:28:25.200 have something here. 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.500 How many times? 00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:44.600 I forgot how long it went to know everything. 00:28:44.600 --> 00:28:48.900 We're supposed to be doing here and every moment it kind of emerged out 00:28:48.900 --> 00:28:53.200 of spontaneous stuff, but then it became that thing with 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.300 your head. Works really well at that point. 00:28:55.300 --> 00:29:03.000 I mean, I think of you as someone who's very plugged in to sort of 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:09.500 the greater culture, all things kind of social, 00:29:09.500 --> 00:29:12.100 I suppose. I wanted to know if you 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:19.600 Enjoy the sport, or if you feel beholden to it or like what 00:29:19.600 --> 00:29:25.700 your relationship was like to know. 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:42.800 I'm not on social media, but my I have a little office supplies. 00:29:42.800 --> 00:29:54.900 I realized more about concern about my workload, 00:29:54.900 --> 00:30:00.200 then concerned about what it might other effects. 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.800 It might have, which we've all heard from different people. 00:30:03.800 --> 00:30:08.100 The other effects that can have the workload is a very real 00:30:08.100 --> 00:30:08.700 concern. 00:30:19.100 --> 00:30:25.200 That's sad. I think I get up every morning and I have my own 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:29.900 grapefruit in my coffee, and I read it at least two newspapers, 00:30:29.900 --> 00:30:36.300 online for that time for that, our convergence. 00:30:36.300 --> 00:30:43.600 Junkie. This is not making me. 00:30:43.600 --> 00:30:44.700 Well, I need an antidote. 00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:51.400 Really easy to get addicted to this. 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:54.400 You have sucked into him, checking this all the time, 00:30:54.400 --> 00:31:04.900 myself and start working with friends, on this journalism 00:31:04.900 --> 00:31:09.400 project called reason to be careful when you looked for instances, 00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:15.400 news of people finding solutions to problems as opposed to problems 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:22.500 out there, but we hear about those all the time so that I realized 00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:31.600 music a little bit from Publications, but also a lot from friends. 00:31:31.600 --> 00:31:36.900 Have you heard this and that'll leave me to 00:31:37.800 --> 00:31:40.300 That and then to something else to something else. 00:31:40.300 --> 00:31:43.100 And next thing, you know, yes, I've added a whole lot of things 00:31:43.100 --> 00:31:51.300 in my playlist, so far so far. 00:31:51.300 --> 00:32:14.500 Kind of band is a little spin with the age thing in the morning 00:32:14.500 --> 00:32:15.500 of peeling engraved. 00:32:15.500 --> 00:32:30.700 Okay. Not going to tell because it's just some shit drift. 00:32:37.800 --> 00:32:42.200 People that's from today. 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:54.700 Wow. We were speaking before about, I've sort of tried to make 00:32:54.700 --> 00:32:55.000 my 00:32:56.400 --> 00:33:08.800 Phone like Eliza well, so I can't do any such as an actually 00:33:08.800 --> 00:33:14.700 find out about a lot of new things from the like newspaper 00:33:14.700 --> 00:33:21.100 on my phone, I missed a lot. 00:33:21.100 --> 00:33:26.800 And that was something that I had to really become okay with, 00:33:26.800 --> 00:33:28.200 because, as a 00:33:29.100 --> 00:33:31.500 you know, a teenager and then a sort of late, 00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:35.600 adolescence really got like all the fingers on all the pulses, 00:33:35.600 --> 00:33:44.600 and, you know, very, very little in choosing to sort of but I had 00:33:44.600 --> 00:33:45.500 to relinquish 00:33:51.200 --> 00:34:04.900 Things that happened here when I go hunting know about that. 00:34:04.900 --> 00:34:05.900 All social media. 00:34:05.900 --> 00:34:17.300 I feel like if you had good friends, 00:34:17.300 --> 00:34:18.500 they would tell you that. 00:34:18.500 --> 00:34:22.600 But yeah, it is. 00:34:22.600 --> 00:34:24.200 I mean, it's It's Tricky. 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:28.800 Try not to get too bogged down and it's funny. 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:34.000 We are living in the city at the moment and I slipped for the 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.500 first night in the new house, and it was so so loud. 00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:51.600 And so, I was given this some white noise machine Babbling. 00:34:51.600 --> 00:35:03.400 Brook. Rain. 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.300 New York is. 00:35:33.200 --> 00:35:37.900 A mental thing where you start to be able to even though it's 00:35:37.900 --> 00:35:41.400 all there you start to be able to shut it out little by little. 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:46.200 And the only thing will wake that you is if your partner 00:35:46.200 --> 00:35:49.000 calls your name or something like that, 00:35:49.000 --> 00:36:04.500 that a true New Yorker fastest, but I want to know what your 00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:09.000 favorite, no music thing that you get to do. 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:13.600 It's an irony of the Jamaican music. 00:36:13.600 --> 00:36:16.600 Make music, stole your favorite thing that you do, 00:36:16.600 --> 00:36:18.100 what? 00:36:21.100 --> 00:36:25.300 Know-nothings surpassed it but I find it over the years. 00:36:25.300 --> 00:36:26.400 I do different things. 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.900 I do this journalism think so I can usually get to research 00:36:29.900 --> 00:36:32.700 and write an article which I really enjoyed. 00:36:32.700 --> 00:36:34.000 But I don't do it everyday. 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:34.900 I don't have to try. 00:36:34.900 --> 00:36:36.400 I'm not a black to turn them out, 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:37.800 but I try and do it as much as I can. 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:38.800 During the pandemic. 00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:42.900 I start doing drawings which might have been a kind of therapy. 00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:50.300 Maybe maybe yeah. 00:36:50.300 --> 00:37:12.100 Oh, yeah, I think I realized it once you learn. 00:37:13.300 --> 00:37:15.800 From a recipe, let's say how to make something. 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:18.700 You can sort of Men start to improvise. 00:37:18.700 --> 00:37:21.200 You can learn to substitute one. 00:37:21.200 --> 00:37:24.300 Say once our thing for another shower thing, 00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:28.900 changes it a little bit, but it keeps the balance of what's 00:37:28.900 --> 00:37:29.800 going on there. 00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:39.400 Yeah, that's nice. 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:51.700 I like that's a good way of putting it in the other times. 00:37:51.700 --> 00:38:01.800 Then you get to offer two friends sharing. 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:03.600 I feel it. 00:38:03.600 --> 00:38:06.300 Like it was more so than with music. 00:38:13.300 --> 00:38:17.200 Anything you learned to cook in the last? 00:38:17.200 --> 00:38:21.100 I mean I cook a lot of something. 00:38:21.100 --> 00:38:26.500 I really, really good recipe cook. 00:38:26.500 --> 00:38:29.600 I just do whatever I'm going to do, 00:38:29.600 --> 00:38:40.100 but I feel like I made some really good condiment with Savory 00:38:40.100 --> 00:38:40.500 little 00:38:41.500 --> 00:38:44.200 Something I like to draw things. 00:38:44.200 --> 00:38:55.300 I send them on, you do, before you before more. 00:38:55.300 --> 00:38:58.900 Anyways, of kind of snapping into that mode. 00:38:58.900 --> 00:39:11.600 I make some ginger tea, you know, 00:39:11.600 --> 00:39:20.400 peel the ginger, put it into boiling water in with lemon, 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:21.100 or whatever else. 00:39:21.100 --> 00:39:26.000 And that'll keep me busy for a good 15-20 minutes. 00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:30.500 I'll do things. 00:39:30.500 --> 00:39:38.700 I keep my mind a little bit away from 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:54.400 What I'm about to do until until I'm off in like, 00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:57.000 you know, right? 00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:05.000 When it's time to go change your mind. 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.700 You know, I'm like still looking for the puzzle at the first 00:40:08.700 --> 00:40:14.400 song. Is there anything that you looking back that you would 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.700 be like if I could pop that bit of wisdom? 00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:31.900 I would to someone else, they might depart to somebody else 00:40:31.900 --> 00:40:33.800 and just need to know this or whatever. 00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:43.600 But I also feel like telling other people assume that you know, 00:40:43.600 --> 00:40:49.500 better than someone else discovered by either seeing what you're 00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:57.300 doing for themselves, but then telling them can be a bit of a school 00:40:57.300 --> 00:40:58.000 teacher, a thing.