WEBVTT 00:00:03.100 --> 00:00:16.200 Sucking right now. 00:00:16.200 --> 00:00:20.800 Yeah, just Relentless Katie. 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:25.000 Katie is sick and weird and her by telling her that she has nothing 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:28.800 to worry about and it's not cold cold brick-force. 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:34.800 It is Eddie Van Halen died is really sad for me. 00:00:34.800 --> 00:00:37.900 I don't know I mean friends David Bowie. 00:00:37.900 --> 00:00:40.400 How is Keith Richards still alive? 00:00:40.400 --> 00:00:44.500 I know I think cuz he snorted his dad's ashes. 00:00:44.500 --> 00:00:52.100 Yeah. Well, that's what I'm thinking. 00:00:52.100 --> 00:00:54.200 I don't think he did it for health reasons, 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:56.000 but I wonder that gives you some kind of, 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:57.900 you know, immunity or something. 00:01:03.100 --> 00:01:06.600 Very sad, right up a lot but lot of things. 00:01:06.600 --> 00:01:08.800 I didn't know about Eddie Van Halen this week. 00:01:08.800 --> 00:01:12.300 It was story that he that he went in and did the Beat It 00:01:12.300 --> 00:01:15.100 Solo in one take like I don't I don't know if it's true or 00:01:15.100 --> 00:01:18.100 not, but I'm going to just assume it is true that like that 00:01:18.100 --> 00:01:22.400 story read up on tapping which I didn't really know. 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:23.100 I'm not a guitar. 00:01:23.100 --> 00:01:23.900 So I don't know what that is. 00:01:23.900 --> 00:01:28.600 But you know his Mastery of that Technique No tapping is well. 00:01:28.600 --> 00:01:30.100 I thought it was that thing that you do too. 00:01:30.100 --> 00:01:33.000 Like like it's a method for brain stuff. 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:44.400 We have a guitar guitar tapping instead of walking with a pic 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:47.400 or with your fingers when you take your right hand if your right 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:51.800 hand guitars and actually tap on the fretboard to Plano along 00:01:51.800 --> 00:01:52.600 with your left hand. 00:01:55.700 --> 00:02:03.200 So that's the Van Halen think he's right and we had a lot lot 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:04.000 of crazy stuff happen. 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:08.700 This would be a great guest longtime friend of David Sirota is 00:02:08.700 --> 00:02:10.800 going to join us talk about the all kind of stuff. 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.600 I guess we probably should just dive into everything happen 00:02:14.600 --> 00:02:15.400 for food groups. 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:20.800 This week is going to be rich like it's not terrible is not weird 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.400 and I'm up right as Democrats suck. 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:29.800 Look Donald Trump got sick and it was one of 10,000 dramas 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:33.300 that felt like, you know, they were going to go on for a century 00:02:33.300 --> 00:02:37.500 that happened every single seemingly every 10 minutes in this 00:02:37.500 --> 00:02:41.900 country now and there are a thousand things to talk about and 00:02:41.900 --> 00:02:46.600 we're only starting here because the show is set up his way with 00:02:46.600 --> 00:02:50.900 Democrats suck at first, but I just did the one thing there 00:02:50.900 --> 00:02:54.300 there were there were so many incredible reactions to Trump 00:02:54.300 --> 00:02:54.900 getting sick note. 00:02:55.600 --> 00:03:00.400 Own behavior during this entire narrative was was crazy and we're 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:01.600 going to get into all of that. 00:03:01.600 --> 00:03:08.200 But but the reactions were also nuts all over the place. 00:03:08.200 --> 00:03:12.200 But this one by Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut really 00:03:12.200 --> 00:03:18.300 kind of blew my mind and this is him talking on CNN about what 00:03:18.300 --> 00:03:19.500 was now going to happen. 00:03:19.500 --> 00:03:25.100 Now that Trump was sidelined with Cove in now trying to use us 00:03:25.100 --> 00:03:30.100 persons and fake websites in order to apply for a narrative 00:03:30.100 --> 00:03:31.600 that helps President Trump's re-election. 00:03:31.600 --> 00:03:34.400 And I also think that you have to be in a much more serious 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:37.300 about the Russian threat given today's news if President 00:03:37.300 --> 00:03:39.500 Trump can't be out there on the campaign Trail for the next 00:03:39.500 --> 00:03:43.300 2 weeks. Then he is going to rely on his surrogates and unfortunately 00:03:43.300 --> 00:03:45.100 one of his surrogates is Vladimir Putin, 00:03:45.100 --> 00:03:49.600 so you are likely going to see this campaign ramped up by Russia 00:03:49.600 --> 00:03:52.400 over the next few weeks to try to substitute for the president's 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:54.700 absence on the campaign Trail and My worry, 00:03:54.700 --> 00:03:59.700 is that the in Tell Asian I mean he kind of just said that 00:03:59.700 --> 00:04:01.900 and ran off into the next topic. 00:04:01.900 --> 00:04:05.100 But basically what u.s. 00:04:05.100 --> 00:04:09.100 Senator is saying In this passage is Donald Trump. 00:04:09.100 --> 00:04:14.500 So he's going to be out of commission and because he's because he's 00:04:14.500 --> 00:04:19.400 one of these effectively an agent of running coach Putin 00:04:19.400 --> 00:04:24.400 is going to have to sub in some stepped up interference 00:04:24.400 --> 00:04:29.700 operations because Trump is on the bench with an injury and you 00:04:29.700 --> 00:04:32.100 can say that now in American television without even blinking 00:04:32.100 --> 00:04:35.600 and I just sat there a lot of people who are all hopped up 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:45.500 about the rushes Mangan, but you can't not back it up and you 00:04:45.500 --> 00:04:47.900 know them in the way they set up this thing is all if you 00:04:47.900 --> 00:04:50.300 know talking about what committees is Ian and you know, 00:04:50.300 --> 00:04:52.900 you're a senator you seen the intelligence but it's the same 00:04:52.900 --> 00:04:54.600 trick they've done for four years and it just 00:04:55.600 --> 00:05:00.700 Does the Russia angle it was odd like even in the context 00:05:00.700 --> 00:05:04.700 of the last four years, which I've often featured conspiratorial 00:05:04.700 --> 00:05:07.600 stories that came out of nowhere for them to drop it in the middle 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:08.200 of this thing. 00:05:08.200 --> 00:05:12.600 Where is it necessary to point out like there's plenty of stuff 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:14.900 to talk about in terms of Trump's behavior. 00:05:14.900 --> 00:05:22.200 And and I probably could have lost in the election for variety 00:05:22.200 --> 00:05:26.200 of reasons because it's going to hurt very badly with one of his 00:05:26.200 --> 00:05:32.200 key constituents the elderly instead of talking about that. 00:05:32.200 --> 00:05:34.500 They've been they've really made an effort in the last couple 00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:38.300 of weeks this step up this whole idea that there's a there's 00:05:38.300 --> 00:05:42.000 an increase interference campaign coming up and you know it to 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:46.300 try to tie it somehow out of the Cobra think it's such a reach 00:05:46.300 --> 00:05:51.800 but I guess now we know that he's going to be on the campaign 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:51.900 Trail. 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:56.500 What they're saying? 00:05:56.500 --> 00:05:58.300 It's like oh, yeah by at 5 and 6. 00:05:58.300 --> 00:05:58.700 So they're good. 00:05:58.700 --> 00:06:00.000 They're going to send out and you know, 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:02.500 Michelle Obama and you know what I mean, 00:06:02.500 --> 00:06:08.700 but you know this case it's that's what I thought that maybe 00:06:08.700 --> 00:06:11.900 if he's sick that would make him less available that have his 00:06:11.900 --> 00:06:20.200 like daily, daily chats with Putin a good thing. 00:06:20.200 --> 00:06:32.000 You see he's going to be too sick to conspire strictly from 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:36.200 the Democratic party side that part of it was nuts for for Murphy 00:06:36.200 --> 00:06:40.500 has been a little bit unhinged lately on this subject which 00:06:40.500 --> 00:06:41.800 could mean a lot of things. 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:46.600 Maybe he intelligence that hasn't geeked up like this and but 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:50.600 you know what he's going to tell us what that is or not be 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:51.800 like this cuz it's crazy. 00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:00.700 HSN the media will never actually said anything about it because 00:07:00.700 --> 00:07:04.100 that's how it's going to be damn. 00:07:04.100 --> 00:07:08.600 Sure going to demand msnbc's go to MSNBC and CNN is going to see 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:12.500 it at so yeah, it should be a surprise egg, 00:07:12.500 --> 00:07:16.500 but it's not just really quick to say that I really encourage 00:07:16.500 --> 00:07:19.800 people to watch this Jimmy Dore video that he did what he goes 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:21.100 through sick of Democrats suck. 00:07:21.100 --> 00:07:26.400 He goes to her Kara Swisher interview with Nancy Pelosi where 00:07:26.400 --> 00:07:31.300 Nancy Pelosi just like absolutely has no intention and it just 00:07:31.300 --> 00:07:35.600 wears undersleeve that uses not doing anything about Trump 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:37.800 and not doing anything to oppose him. 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:42.200 And this is an interview that's from a sympathetic interviewer 00:07:42.200 --> 00:07:45.500 who starts at the interview by saying how awesome is Nancy 00:07:45.500 --> 00:07:48.300 Pelosi is a powerful she is and how often been powerful 00:07:48.300 --> 00:07:52.000 her powers are and even she is like wool. 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:53.100 What do you go to do? 00:07:53.100 --> 00:07:54.700 How are you going to you know, 00:07:54.700 --> 00:07:55.000 actually 00:07:55.800 --> 00:08:00.900 Have what Allah sees what tools are you using and Lucy just 00:08:00.900 --> 00:08:04.800 doesn't say any she doesn't say anything and just wishes he was 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:10.100 like, whoa. What if Trump and Pelosi said he just wants to hear 00:08:10.100 --> 00:08:11.500 that checks with his name on it. 00:08:11.500 --> 00:08:13.100 It's what she was like what with all due respect. 00:08:13.100 --> 00:08:15.200 Why does that matter? 00:08:15.200 --> 00:08:21.000 Let him and audiences for that money. 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:25.400 That's unbelievable. So anyway, I really like the news that 00:08:25.400 --> 00:08:28.200 they couldn't come to an agreement on the relief package 00:08:28.200 --> 00:08:31.900 was a big deal Trump took like four different positions in 00:08:31.900 --> 00:08:35.200 the same in the space of the same three or four hours on 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:38.000 rifle thing. He abandon negotiations that he's they went back 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.400 and he's like publicly negotiating on Twitter. 00:08:40.400 --> 00:08:45.500 He's like tagging his own staff members as though their hearing 00:08:45.500 --> 00:08:49.300 it for the first time through social media the stock market took 00:08:49.300 --> 00:08:54.700 a big dive when they called off negotiations and it's right 00:08:54.700 --> 00:08:55.500 whose fault is it? 00:08:55.800 --> 00:08:59.700 You're probably Trump's right but it's pretty clear that the 00:08:59.700 --> 00:09:06.800 Democrats are probably are more concerned than they need to be 00:09:06.800 --> 00:09:09.300 about giving Trump political win at this moment. 00:09:09.300 --> 00:09:12.600 It's just incredibly frustrating like it just it just for once 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:18.900 you'd like to click on the news and see that our government is 00:09:18.900 --> 00:09:22.100 behaving and sociopathic Manor in order to actually get people 00:09:22.100 --> 00:09:23.400 to help in the middle of a crisis, 00:09:23.400 --> 00:09:28.100 but that probably both of their faults but it's frustrating 00:09:28.100 --> 00:09:32.300 but we have for Republicans looking sad, 00:09:32.300 --> 00:09:36.500 but I thought we would go with this story about a Amy Coney 00:09:36.500 --> 00:09:40.700 Barrett and I want to be very clear that this is not a story 00:09:40.700 --> 00:09:43.600 that I think that the Democrats should be highlighted. 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:49.700 This is just for internal use only so you guys don't spread 00:09:49.700 --> 00:09:53.200 this among Republicans in other words like 00:09:54.100 --> 00:09:56.400 This is not a good way to convince people. 00:09:56.400 --> 00:09:59.300 And in fact, we're going to talk with our guest today about 00:09:59.300 --> 00:10:05.200 how the Damned talk about cultural issues in a way that actually 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:10.700 probably left Trump's Supreme Court nominees get confirmed 00:10:10.700 --> 00:10:14.400 instead of the economic issues that could actually Galvanize 00:10:14.400 --> 00:10:18.000 people to oppose them but I have to say and if it's so again, 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.800 this is not something that the damn should talk about but it is 00:10:20.800 --> 00:10:24.200 kind of scary and if we could just look at the Democracy Now 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:30.200 story. So it turns out that Amy Coney Barrett serves as handmade 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.700 in the secretive religious group. 00:10:32.700 --> 00:10:37.200 So we know that Amy ACB as I like calling her because it's just 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:42.200 easier this interesting fact that again. 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.100 I'm sorry if I just read what she said like, 00:10:45.100 --> 00:10:48.000 I believe the dog was alive in your soul like that. 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:51.500 Probably just excited the base like that the great like I didn't 00:10:51.500 --> 00:10:53.000 actually like made t-shirts. 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:53.500 That was like the 00:10:54.100 --> 00:10:59.800 I carry the dog with My Soul but such a damn thing like we're 00:10:59.800 --> 00:11:01.400 going to make fun of someone from being religious. 00:11:01.400 --> 00:11:03.400 This is the kind of weird religion. 00:11:03.400 --> 00:11:08.300 So that could play well above people don't like weird religions. 00:11:08.300 --> 00:11:12.000 So more details have emerged about Supreme Court nominee 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:15.200 Amy, Coney Barrett involvement in the secret of Highly patriarchal 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:19.100 religious group people of Praise members of the group pleasure 00:11:19.100 --> 00:11:23.200 lifelong loyalty assigning each member personal advisor known 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:28.600 as heads for men and until recently handmade for women evidence 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:32.900 has emerged that both Barrett and your mother episodes is handmaid's 00:11:32.900 --> 00:11:35.100 within the group meet. 00:11:35.100 --> 00:11:38.100 One of the Guardians revealed that are at once lived in the home 00:11:38.100 --> 00:11:40.800 of the co-founder of people of Praise Washington law school 00:11:40.800 --> 00:11:44.500 Notre Dame. So I just think it's a little bit scary to have 00:11:44.500 --> 00:11:49.100 a had made our first handmaid supreme court nominee. 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:59.400 It's probably it in more much older usage that sent that survived. 00:11:59.400 --> 00:12:09.100 So I made it even imply subservience and that's why they're 00:12:09.100 --> 00:12:10.800 using the word patriarchal Bud died. 00:12:10.800 --> 00:12:14.900 That makes makes me uncomfortable about this story is that I know 00:12:14.900 --> 00:12:18.300 absolutely nothing about this this group what they're like, 00:12:18.300 --> 00:12:21.400 it's it's one thing to talk about Opus Dei or you know, 00:12:21.400 --> 00:12:25.200 like they're called that because there's an awesome amount 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:28.000 of literature about that and lots and lots of people testifying 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:29.800 what do you know what would happen in there? 00:12:29.800 --> 00:12:34.500 But this is a relatively small organization and it could be that 00:12:34.500 --> 00:12:35.200 bad. I don't know. 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.800 I just I worry that it's a it's an archaic usage. 00:12:39.800 --> 00:12:42.100 That's probably been around for a while. 00:12:42.100 --> 00:12:47.400 I mean, I'm going to go to the famous very respected scholarly 00:12:47.400 --> 00:12:53.900 website Wikipedia and animated handmade or Mesa. 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.900 Event is a personal maid or female servant depending on cultural 00:12:57.900 --> 00:13:03.500 historical. Handmaiden, maybe a slave status or maybe simply 00:13:03.500 --> 00:13:15.400 an employee a very good day labor partner somebody who is in your 00:13:15.400 --> 00:13:20.300 employ. Who is you know, or do you want to call yourself 00:13:20.300 --> 00:13:23.800 a handmade? I don't know like you've been people can handmade 00:13:23.800 --> 00:13:27.600 identify that's up to them and also a lot of religions. 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:32.200 Basically, it's this song, you know, self-abnegation 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:36.700 and service and all these things you're doing it with reference 00:13:36.700 --> 00:13:37.500 to men is one thing. 00:13:37.500 --> 00:13:39.800 I I just don't know what's going on in this in this religion. 00:13:39.800 --> 00:13:44.100 Also, I can't I can't pronounce her name. 00:13:44.100 --> 00:13:47.700 I keep wanting to call her Amy Gary Cohn head and not 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:57.400 Or Ami Ami hariye colon. 00:13:57.400 --> 00:13:59.900 I don't know why that just came into my head. 00:13:59.900 --> 00:14:03.200 Although that doesn't make any sense a week. 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:06.700 Oh my God, silly. 00:14:06.700 --> 00:14:10.600 Yeah, the things that are killed when you smoke and it and it 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:19.200 lowers your sense of smell when you smoke and probably killing 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:23.400 my silly right now by blowing my nose so much but no just did 00:14:23.400 --> 00:14:28.200 again. The range of handmaid's in abrahamic test text. 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.300 It is applied to a female servant to servants or mistress 00:14:31.300 --> 00:14:35.400 as in the case of the famous case of course of hunger are being 00:14:35.400 --> 00:14:40.500 described to Sarah's hands stare-eyes had made in and these 00:14:40.500 --> 00:14:45.700 Mistresses gave their handmade to their husband to wife to bear 00:14:45.700 --> 00:14:50.400 his seed then moving over to Christianity and this is where 00:14:50.400 --> 00:14:52.600 it gets good for a CB. 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.600 It's the mother This is a handmaid of the Lord. 00:14:55.600 --> 00:15:06.500 So that's not as bad to be the virgin mother of Jesus some guy 00:15:06.500 --> 00:15:20.400 quickly and other supreme court news. 00:15:20.400 --> 00:15:23.700 When is muks now again just this is Clarence Thomas and Samuel 00:15:23.700 --> 00:15:26.900 Alito have come out strongly against same-sex marriage and indicated 00:15:26.900 --> 00:15:29.000 the Court's 2015 decision legalizing. 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:31.900 It should be overturned the issue the statement on Monday 00:15:31.900 --> 00:15:35.100 when the court turn down an appeal by Kentucky county clerk 00:15:35.100 --> 00:15:39.000 who was sued after refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:43.500 couples. Wait, is that that Kim bloemen Kim Davis you remember 00:15:43.500 --> 00:15:44.300 this? Yes, I do. Remember 00:15:44.300 --> 00:15:46.400 that sell her cases coming up. 00:15:46.400 --> 00:15:47.500 She was amazing. 00:15:47.500 --> 00:15:53.200 I really liked her and two of them. 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:59.100 Same guy and she also had kids I don't care but she would had 00:15:59.100 --> 00:16:02.800 kids out of wedlock again. 00:16:02.800 --> 00:16:04.800 I don't care about this stuff at all. 00:16:04.800 --> 00:16:09.300 But it just money for a woman who cared about family values 00:16:09.300 --> 00:16:15.600 that much lots of stuff and then we're going to get into all 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.900 the Republicans indulged in this week. 00:16:19.900 --> 00:16:23.700 And there's some pretty amazing photographs on that score including 00:16:23.700 --> 00:16:30.300 some with Amy Harry Potter Harry colon or whatever that terrible. 00:16:30.300 --> 00:16:34.700 We have a little bit of an anti-climax there because you sent 00:16:34.700 --> 00:16:38.200 me that you thought would horrify me but I had a completely 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:42.900 opposite reaction to it down if we could call up the KFC video. 00:16:42.900 --> 00:16:45.500 I I thought maybe you would have but yeah, 00:16:45.500 --> 00:16:47.200 I thought maybe you think was awesome. 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:59.000 Videotape the process of making the gravy and it went viral 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:00.900 because everybody thought it was so disgusting. 00:17:00.900 --> 00:17:02.900 So let's just look at the video. 00:17:02.900 --> 00:17:05.700 First of all, I mean, I can people are supposedly grossed 00:17:05.700 --> 00:17:07.900 out because the process is there dumping the stuff called 00:17:07.900 --> 00:17:12.000 cracking in the ear crackling sounds like leftover bits of stuff, 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:17.200 you know, chicken things and I put that in a in a big bin 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:23.100 water in and flour and grease and mix it all up and put it 00:17:23.100 --> 00:17:27.800 in the oven and I guess people think it's gross that video 00:17:27.800 --> 00:17:29.500 made me want to Main Line the stuff. 00:17:29.500 --> 00:17:34.700 I am completely against the idea that this is this is supposed 00:17:34.700 --> 00:17:35.300 to be off-putting. 00:17:35.300 --> 00:17:44.000 I think it's amazing the terrible maybe it's been it's not weird, 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:45.500 but it's it just looks pretty gross today. 00:17:45.500 --> 00:17:47.600 And yeah, it's made of chicken. I 00:17:47.600 --> 00:17:48.800 mean, what are they doing? 00:17:48.800 --> 00:17:51.100 They're basically blending chicken bits. 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:58.800 Chicken apocalypse thing like that's a different like if we were 00:17:58.800 --> 00:18:03.600 actually watching that happen and this being the end product 00:18:03.600 --> 00:18:05.900 but I'm not quite there yet. 00:18:05.900 --> 00:18:08.500 I'm not I'm not I'm not quite ready to denounce. 00:18:08.500 --> 00:18:21.900 What's it called the cracking crab and I hope I hope it's a hundred 00:18:21.900 --> 00:18:23.300 percent. Real food. 00:18:23.300 --> 00:18:25.500 That's right. My hope when I eat it, 00:18:25.500 --> 00:18:27.700 you know, it's leftover chicken. 00:18:27.700 --> 00:18:29.400 That's right. Is that what they're saying? 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:33.200 It's the bits I think from the frying process. 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:38.400 Exactly. I guess it's more that like the visuals of it are gross. 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:44.600 Look. How do you make chicken tenders chicken nuggets. 00:18:44.600 --> 00:18:48.000 Netzler thing. I mean to the basically they're they're taking 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:53.000 the the animal on their they're sucking every last piece of Flesh 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.600 off of it and But that's a good thing. 00:18:56.600 --> 00:19:07.300 Is that the Native American thing Native American culture. 00:19:07.300 --> 00:19:11.800 It's a spiritual thing and it teaches us a lot about responsible 00:19:11.800 --> 00:19:15.300 consumption. They are Pioneer. 00:19:15.300 --> 00:19:30.000 Is that our way of connecting with nature our viewers and listeners 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:33.000 to have access to that cuz that's part of what we promised 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:38.300 them. So wanted to add that John Wayne Bobbitt who infamously 00:19:38.300 --> 00:19:45.400 that no. No, it's just go ahead and do you have another in that 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:50.300 terrible? How many severed penis stories are we going to have? 00:19:53.900 --> 00:19:54.900 Stop at the penis. 00:19:54.900 --> 00:19:57.800 This is not just if you don't don't pigeonhole be dope. 00:19:57.800 --> 00:20:07.300 Either told me what happened with John Wayne Bobbitt, 00:20:07.300 --> 00:20:08.500 John Wayne Bobbitt. 00:20:08.500 --> 00:20:11.400 Who and I'm reading it oxygen news. 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:16.400 John Wayne Bobbitt who infamously had his penis cut off may need 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:18.200 to have his foot amputated. 00:20:19.700 --> 00:20:21.800 Which is really terrible. 00:20:21.800 --> 00:20:26.900 I know John Bob is reportedly in Las Vegas hospital where doctors 00:20:26.900 --> 00:20:31.600 are considering amputating an infected left foot and he of course 00:20:31.600 --> 00:20:35.800 Rose to Fame after having his penis cut off by his wife Lorena 00:20:35.800 --> 00:20:41.200 Bobbitt. He said that he told TMZ that the possible amputations 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:43.700 never summer 2013 injury when he was working in construction. 00:20:43.700 --> 00:20:47.400 He said he stepped on a nail which punctured a toe on his left 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:51.000 foot the incident triggered an infection that extended to the 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:54.400 bone of his left foot antibiotics apparently never healed 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:57.800 infection if he's currently in Las Vegas hospital where he says 00:20:57.800 --> 00:21:01.600 doctors are debating whether to amputate the foot he all I just 00:21:01.600 --> 00:21:05.500 want to give a full his full bio includes starring to Porter. 00:21:05.500 --> 00:21:08.000 Graphic films John Wayne. 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:12.300 Bobbitt uncut is one of them and the other one is Frankin penis. 00:21:12.300 --> 00:21:12.300 00:21:19.700 --> 00:21:32.000 Enough internet terrible or penis story isn't that weird bites a 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:32.900 penis while on toilet. 00:21:32.900 --> 00:21:34.800 That's another story. 00:21:34.800 --> 00:21:41.100 I just feel like being lived out every man's worst nightmare. 00:21:41.100 --> 00:21:44.800 If your snake suck its thumb gets banged his penis while he was 00:21:44.800 --> 00:21:49.700 on the John I looked down and saw that there was a snake hanging 00:21:49.700 --> 00:21:50.700 in the toilet. 00:21:50.700 --> 00:21:58.100 I will press his near serpent circumcision. 00:21:58.100 --> 00:22:11.900 What kind of snake that's an important detail smartphone 00:22:11.900 --> 00:22:15.300 videos on the toilet when all of a sudden he felt a searing 00:22:15.300 --> 00:22:16.900 pain in his nether region. 00:22:16.900 --> 00:22:19.400 He looked down to discover nightmares. 00:22:19.700 --> 00:22:23.300 4 foot python with his Jaws clamped around the tip of his penis 00:22:23.300 --> 00:22:29.100 hard at that at that point the horrified boy stood up with snake 00:22:29.100 --> 00:22:34.700 still attached and slammed the door on the reptile causing 00:22:34.700 --> 00:22:38.700 it to release its grip he been held in Terror and rushed out 00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:41.500 of the now blood-spattered bathroom with his pants around 00:22:41.500 --> 00:22:47.800 his ankles where there's video actually the snake in the toilet 00:22:47.800 --> 00:22:49.700 and you just see some blood on the toilet. 00:22:58.800 --> 00:23:10.700 He's not even with gloves on I'm assuming it's not the victim 00:23:10.700 --> 00:23:13.300 and you see some blood on the toilet ball. 00:23:13.300 --> 00:23:16.700 Anyway, if I guess that's a good lesson for why you should 00:23:16.700 --> 00:23:23.400 not be watching videos on the toilet seat with other things 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:26.300 can jump on the toilet and what your penis so that's that's 00:23:26.300 --> 00:23:31.100 good. Well, let's talk about world events this week. 00:23:31.100 --> 00:23:33.300 What's the most interesting thing about this? 00:23:33.300 --> 00:23:37.300 All right. So I think watching them take off the mask personally 00:23:37.300 --> 00:23:48.300 was incredibly scary but right lines about what he might have 00:23:48.300 --> 00:23:52.200 done wrong about this and we can get into the you know, 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:55.900 all the things that happen at leading up to this diagnosis 00:23:55.900 --> 00:24:00.800 because he's basically been flipping Call Faith for the entire 00:24:00.800 --> 00:24:05.800 year for a guy who publicly wants to know how Nest handshakes 00:24:05.800 --> 00:24:09.600 as being too likely to conduct the flu a few people. 00:24:09.600 --> 00:24:14.600 Probably don't remember the Playboy in 2004 that business 00:24:14.600 --> 00:24:18.100 manager. Are you sexually applied that business men are insecure 00:24:18.100 --> 00:24:24.700 and are in favor of the firm handshake because they think it conveys 00:24:24.700 --> 00:24:28.400 something and he's I'm in favor of no handshake and he tells a 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:31.000 story about how somebody who had the flu give him a handshake 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:31.700 and he was so mad. 00:24:31.700 --> 00:24:35.600 You still that story over and over again for that guy to spend 00:24:35.600 --> 00:24:41.300 the entire year basically going around maskless and talking 00:24:41.300 --> 00:24:44.800 about how covid isn't a thing and then we can look at all the 00:24:44.800 --> 00:24:48.500 damned. If you can show that picture CNN to have a gallery 00:24:48.500 --> 00:24:53.200 of pictures from an event that involves a rose garden and the 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:56.100 white has diplomatic room and this is after we've already 00:24:56.100 --> 00:24:58.100 dispatched Herman Cain to the afterlife. 00:24:58.700 --> 00:25:02.300 Number for the sake of a campaign ad so here they are. 00:25:02.300 --> 00:25:07.600 There's a whole bunch of people with no masks on in the reception 00:25:07.600 --> 00:25:11.600 Oval Office the scenes get progressively bigger than us diplomatic 00:25:11.600 --> 00:25:16.400 room, which is like this set of oval-shaped room has Chris 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:20.400 Christie and the end the movie scenes are full of people who 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:23.800 subsequently came down with with the disease and you see them 00:25:23.800 --> 00:25:34.900 standing. I mean face-to-face not to say at all no more thing 00:25:34.900 --> 00:25:37.300 where they be sleep with red dots over everybody who later 00:25:37.300 --> 00:25:40.400 came down with the disease would be a with these photos and it's 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:41.500 it's just amazing, right? 00:25:41.500 --> 00:25:45.400 So there's that then there's the fact that they announced 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:49.200 that he probably thought he had he was something like 72 hours 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.500 into his diagnosis up. 00:25:51.500 --> 00:25:55.100 Then I said about 36 hours after the news came out which meant 00:25:55.100 --> 00:25:58.400 that he had he had known about it significantly. 00:25:58.700 --> 00:26:01.700 Forehand and raise the whole question of whether he knew about 00:26:01.700 --> 00:26:06.200 it when the time before the debate and so there's that whole 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:08.400 a responsibility angle. 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:13.800 All of it is is just Preposterous in any you add to it to 00:26:13.800 --> 00:26:17.300 this the stuff that he's been saying about the disease over 00:26:17.300 --> 00:26:17.800 and over again. 00:26:17.800 --> 00:26:23.400 I mean a couple of weeks ago he was telling people these doesn't 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:28.500 really affect people it's very very few people who who aren't 00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:37.000 told me. I don't think we mentioned this but major missed 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:38.300 opportunity for Biden. 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:40.700 What's pushing back on that? 00:26:40.700 --> 00:26:44.900 Right and you should you should have but I think they're 00:26:44.900 --> 00:26:51.800 the polls are already showing at the elderly voters write numbers 00:26:51.800 --> 00:26:56.600 that have been that high since some Al Gore Gore Gore was the 00:26:56.600 --> 00:26:58.000 last damn to get senior vote. 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:04.500 Yeah, one among elderly people buy a fairly significant 00:27:04.500 --> 00:27:05.800 margin in 2016. 00:27:05.800 --> 00:27:08.600 So if he loses their that's you know, 00:27:08.600 --> 00:27:09.800 that's going to be very drained. 00:27:09.800 --> 00:27:13.400 It makes the road almost impossible for him right absence. 00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:16.200 What kind of other turn on situation is all the stuff going 00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:20.700 in. He says all these crazy things and we can get it to the 00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:23.800 response in a second but he gets the disease. 00:27:23.800 --> 00:27:28.200 He goes to Walter Reed and of course he's better in a few days 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:32.000 apparently and comes out and then there's stage 2 00:27:32.900 --> 00:27:37.500 Of the craziness where he turns the whole thing until I get WWE 00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:41.200 spectacle. Actually, there's there's an amazing video of the 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:47.400 Democratic Socialist website put out which comparing the Triumph of 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:51.300 the will to the video the Trump campaign put out about Trump's 00:27:51.300 --> 00:27:54.100 return to the White House and damn if we could look at that. 00:27:54.100 --> 00:27:59.200 They basically you're seeing scene-to-scene likenesses 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:04.200 where everything from the close-ups with landing gear to the 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:08.200 the walk out from the hell if Marine One helicopter to the scene of 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.000 trump standing on the balcony which you know, 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.700 I thought but I first thought I thought Julius Caesar, 00:28:13.700 --> 00:28:22.500 but actually it does definitely has been the classic Trump 00:28:22.500 --> 00:28:23.700 the degree to which 00:28:24.900 --> 00:28:30.500 His fans went completely bananas when you know Trump beat. 00:29:03.100 --> 00:29:05.300 the virus 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:09.900 I mean, it's based on a real video of Donald Trump at a WWE 00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:16.500 match made remade famous another and another point when they 00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:18.600 put CNN over the face in that guy. 00:29:18.600 --> 00:29:26.100 That's right. Yes, and that freaked out people conservative 00:29:26.100 --> 00:29:27.300 media was full of the stuff. 00:29:27.300 --> 00:29:31.500 They did Trump himself ended up doing some kind of video that 00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:34.900 is where they superimpose Trump's head on the on the head of a 00:29:34.900 --> 00:29:40.000 NFL wide receiver dancing into the end zone NFL made them take 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:45.100 a classic stumpy in theater, right? 00:29:45.100 --> 00:29:48.700 He does something in you stupid gets himself in trouble and somehow 00:29:48.700 --> 00:29:52.500 turns the news around and turns them into a photo opportunity 00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:54.700 of this right? 00:29:54.700 --> 00:29:57.400 I mean absolutely disgusting app. 00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:02.400 So so that happened in the whole thing is compounded by this 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.200 completely nuts response. 00:30:06.100 --> 00:30:10.200 That we are what we talked about previously that went way over 00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.300 the top from the from the people who are watching the whole 00:30:13.300 --> 00:30:17.600 thing. And to me that's the craziest moment and all of this 00:30:17.600 --> 00:30:22.600 was when Trump said so Trump gets up on the on his balcony 00:30:22.600 --> 00:30:30.100 and he's doing this and Hitler Mussolini and address to the people 00:30:30.100 --> 00:30:36.500 and he's got a ceremony only takes off his mask CNN had like 00:30:36.500 --> 00:30:43.400 the spasmodic freaked out and we have the people don't like 00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:47.000 nobody else has this as this link up this morning. 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:52.000 The fact is denial won't help you make up won't help you and 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.600 based on what we just heard and seen the president won't help 00:30:55.600 --> 00:31:00.000 you no mask will help you for the president made a grand theatrical 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.700 gesture with whipping. 00:31:01.700 --> 00:31:04.800 His off at is Sunset Boulevard return to the White House. 00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:13.100 Return to the White House with President Trump still removing 00:31:13.100 --> 00:31:17.000 his mask on the White House balcony to pose for photos and it's 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.400 highly produced homecoming before going inside. 00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:23.500 Only thing I heard is one of the Tweet saying that you know, 00:31:23.500 --> 00:31:32.900 don't be so concerned about all this essentially president. 00:31:32.900 --> 00:31:36.900 Then that Sunset Boulevard gesture with his mask off in front 00:31:36.900 --> 00:31:39.800 of the American people on the Nightly News last night. 00:31:39.800 --> 00:31:44.100 So as a doctor whose job, please don't even put it on the screen. 00:31:44.100 --> 00:31:55.400 Please take it off because that's going to kill people The Mask 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:59.300 but this notion of let's not even show the video because 00:31:59.300 --> 00:32:02.000 it's going to kill people like they're reviewing him with 00:32:02.900 --> 00:32:07.800 You know hypnotic vampyric powers to to kill people with his 00:32:07.800 --> 00:32:17.000 very image. I don't know you tripping off is pastis basically 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:27.700 to push back. 00:32:27.700 --> 00:32:31.700 I got to push back with on on this a little bit because I 00:32:31.700 --> 00:32:34.900 do think it's a responsible for I'm not saying don't show it but I 00:32:34.900 --> 00:32:39.000 think it's incredibly irresponsible because to the extent 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.600 that Trump has any thought hypnotic power but like people 00:32:42.600 --> 00:32:45.100 who like Trump like Trump and I think that like, 00:32:45.100 --> 00:32:48.000 you know, there are going to be some people it's going to have 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:55.300 a ripple effect on a balcony like 50 feet from anybody so ask 00:32:55.300 --> 00:33:02.200 given how powerful he is and how how imagery does 00:33:02.900 --> 00:33:07.000 People obviously on some level like it's gonna cause there's 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:08.500 going to be something that happens. 00:33:08.500 --> 00:33:10.100 If you want to argue that that's fine, 00:33:10.100 --> 00:33:15.400 but then don't show it four times and then I was going to kill 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.800 people because then now you're not you're having it both ways. 00:33:17.800 --> 00:33:21.600 The other stuff that Trump has been doing that the rally that 00:33:21.600 --> 00:33:26.200 that's maskless the all these people wouldn't you know, 00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:30.100 what a haul of sitting next to each other those things are are 00:33:30.100 --> 00:33:30.700 are worse. 00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:36.600 The mask is doubling down on that shirt. 00:33:36.600 --> 00:33:39.000 He's literally not infecting people at that moment. 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.400 I just think that given his tree. 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.900 I mean, I do think it's dangerous because he's doubling 00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:48.500 down on who cares about masks send at the same time making 00:33:48.500 --> 00:33:52.400 the staff stick around him and not just the staff that chooses 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:57.100 to work in this evil man's like Administration, 00:33:57.100 --> 00:34:01.200 but like regular workers who have to clean. 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:05.400 I mean, that's that's the thing that I find so disgusting 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:11.500 is that you're like your janitor custodian housekeeper 00:34:11.500 --> 00:34:15.700 all these things and you have to be like a Vic potential 00:34:15.700 --> 00:34:17.600 victim of this guy's Optics. 00:34:17.600 --> 00:34:24.700 It's just disgusting and there's a video of him telling a reporter 00:34:24.700 --> 00:34:27.800 take the mask off in the guy the guy that would do it. 00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.000 There's apparently he was he's been doing that at meetings 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.600 and it would have been literally kind of the perfect. 00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:38.400 Correct ending to the Trump Saga to have like this Othello 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:44.100 style pile up gasping wheezing bodies under under a big sign that 00:34:44.100 --> 00:34:45.900 says something like so much winning or whatever. 00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:48.900 It was like that that would have made sense as the it but it is 00:34:48.900 --> 00:34:51.700 not going to be that it was hanging out and doing end up 00:34:51.700 --> 00:34:55.900 happening is the Trump people going to spend this as you know, 00:34:55.900 --> 00:34:59.400 the disease isn't that big a deal he beat it I get to use 00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:03.000 totally responsible and all that stuff is horrible. 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:07.700 But I also think the response was was nuts on the other side. 00:35:07.700 --> 00:35:12.100 I mean the White House Correspondents Association when Trump 00:35:12.100 --> 00:35:16.100 left Walter Reed hospital, they issued this incredibly 00:35:16.100 --> 00:35:20.700 sanctimonious press release about how about Trump basically 00:35:20.700 --> 00:35:21.600 left without their permission. 00:35:22.600 --> 00:35:25.200 So here's the statement from the White House Correspondents 00:35:25.200 --> 00:35:28.200 Association. It is outrageous for the for the president 00:35:28.200 --> 00:35:31.100 to have left the hospital even briefly a mental health crisis 00:35:31.100 --> 00:35:35.500 without a protective pool present to ensure that the American 00:35:35.500 --> 00:35:39.800 people know where the president is and how he is doing a protection 00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:47.500 which is fine. 00:35:47.500 --> 00:35:48.600 I don't have a problem with that. 00:35:48.600 --> 00:35:51.300 But what does that even mean in protective pool? 00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:52.900 They mean what they say in the Tweet, 00:35:52.900 --> 00:35:55.800 which is that you shouldn't be able to be going out even briefly 00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:58.500 without us because the American people need to know where you 00:35:58.500 --> 00:36:01.000 are at all times which I mean, 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:02.900 I think you shouldn't be going out at all. 00:36:02.900 --> 00:36:07.600 Even briefly. Is it okay if statement to make I will say that 00:36:07.600 --> 00:36:10.500 I think people have underestimated how he will and I think 00:36:10.500 --> 00:36:12.100 I'm pretty sure he's going to lose the election. 00:36:12.100 --> 00:36:16.000 I don't know but I think people are under estimating how much 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:19.200 he and I said this from the beginning a lot of people did but he 00:36:19.200 --> 00:36:21.100 was going to exploit this to show 00:36:22.600 --> 00:36:24.800 He thinks he's exploiting. 00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:26.000 This is not exploiting. 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:38.800 This is not the reason he won a reason someone or are not terribly 00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:43.500 complicated or not hard to figure out he took a population 00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:45.100 that was disaffected for a thousand. 00:36:45.100 --> 00:36:48.700 Reason promised every one of them whatever they wanted including 00:36:48.700 --> 00:36:52.500 the people who had you know, who were racist and Steven seeing 00:36:52.500 --> 00:36:56.400 if you seen a phobic he gets elected but basically he's he's 00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:59.200 a he's a small-time con artist. 00:36:59.200 --> 00:37:03.400 He's just not all that smart, right and so over time she does 00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:11.500 stuff that is self-harming and politically stupid and he reveals 00:37:11.500 --> 00:37:14.600 himself constantly and and that ultimately is what's going 00:37:14.600 --> 00:37:17.400 to lose in the election and not the mountains of propaganda 00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:22.200 about him being they know a literal fascist dictator or Russian 00:37:22.200 --> 00:37:26.400 spy. Things people can see that the guy just doesn't really 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:31.800 know what he's doing and it's that stuff like this where people 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:37.200 are just like that kind of thing right that that that that's 00:37:37.200 --> 00:37:40.100 that's what's going to lose it for him. 00:37:40.100 --> 00:37:43.500 I guess the question is whether or not that peels away enough 00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:48.200 support from his supporters and whether or not it motivates 00:37:48.200 --> 00:37:52.200 the unmotivated base to vote for him. 00:37:52.200 --> 00:38:02.200 Some people remember if you go back to Suits 2016, 00:38:02.200 --> 00:38:07.400 like 19% of the voters dislike both candidates and Trump did 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:13.400 really well. So I would have to think that the number of people 00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:17.700 who are ambivalent about both candidates is still going to be 00:38:17.700 --> 00:38:22.100 pretty much probably even bigger this time around right? 00:38:22.600 --> 00:38:23.800 so it's really a question of 00:38:24.900 --> 00:38:27.400 how badly are you going to laugh? 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.100 And annoy people? 00:38:30.100 --> 00:38:32.000 I mean his fans or his fans right there. 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:33.200 Yeah, probably got 00:38:34.300 --> 00:38:38.500 30 something percent of the population pretty much locked 00:38:38.500 --> 00:38:41.900 up and there's another percent of the population that just probably 00:38:41.900 --> 00:38:42.800 hates a Democrat. 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:47.500 So I'm all right, if they're going to say anyway physically 00:38:47.500 --> 00:38:49.000 develop more than the other people. 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.700 That's the other thing except a lot of them are sick or dead 00:38:51.700 --> 00:38:55.100 this time, you know what I mean, 00:38:55.100 --> 00:38:56.900 or they don't have a vote. 00:38:56.900 --> 00:39:01.000 This was a colossally stupid move by Trump, 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.500 although again. I hate to go back to the spa at this time of 00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:05.500 the election last year. 00:39:06.600 --> 00:39:10.200 Everybody in the world would have bet every last dollar that 00:39:10.200 --> 00:39:13.400 they has if you would have lost because of the Access Hollywood 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:17.700 thing and you know, there's still time for a thousand cycles 00:39:17.700 --> 00:39:23.000 of the of the news between now and then we have a good guess. 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:33.500 They were quite a long time and I go back a long way so 00:39:33.500 --> 00:39:36.100 we can talk about a whole bunch of stuff including all this 00:39:36.100 --> 00:39:45.300 should be interesting but for me, what's much more impressive 00:39:45.300 --> 00:39:49.500 is that I saw him at an event. 00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:54.100 I guess it was last year and I was really into the movie A 00:39:54.100 --> 00:40:00.900 Star is Born and I was asking all the right there. 00:40:00.900 --> 00:40:02.400 It was like the weird he was like, 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:05.800 so what would you call that damn like a flint a grimace? 00:40:06.600 --> 00:40:24.100 in between yeah, I was like uber and Lady Gaga movie probably 00:40:24.100 --> 00:40:27.000 find it worse, but I was like asking all everyone if they'd 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:28.800 seen it which was funny cuz I was going to 00:40:31.100 --> 00:40:35.300 political people and that was my quest and he turned to me and 00:40:35.300 --> 00:40:38.900 he was like, no, but I played Little League with Bradley 00:40:38.900 --> 00:40:44.800 Cooper about the photo. 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:49.700 I got the photo we can pop in or it will look like a 00:40:49.700 --> 00:40:52.300 bus to get to that conversation and 00:40:55.900 --> 00:40:58.800 Okay, is that a fact to the Future T-Shirt? 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:03.600 Yes. This is a Back to the Future T-Shirt of 80s movies, 00:41:03.600 --> 00:41:05.100 right? Yes. I did. 00:41:05.100 --> 00:41:10.200 I did I wrote a book about how 1980s pop culture basically 00:41:10.200 --> 00:41:16.300 informs essentially everything that we deal with today than in 00:41:16.300 --> 00:41:19.900 other words at the Hop culture of the 1980s like it you thought 00:41:19.900 --> 00:41:22.900 you were watching The A-Team but the ATM was he knows it's a TV 00:41:22.900 --> 00:41:26.800 show with the a team is teaching you that basically government 00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:30.500 couldn't do anything except chase down and try to imprison 00:41:30.500 --> 00:41:34.600 the people who were trying to help the average person, 00:41:34.600 --> 00:41:39.900 you know, the Knight Rider taught you that you can't rely on, 00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:43.600 you know, basically any governmental institution to help you 00:41:43.600 --> 00:41:48.100 you need to find Michael Knight and a talking car to the heldrich 00:41:48.100 --> 00:41:48.700 really your problem. 00:41:55.900 --> 00:41:57.200 Culture politic her everything. 00:41:57.200 --> 00:42:06.300 When did you bring this 2011 president like Donald Trump. 00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:10.500 Can you you got to write an updated intro and we release 00:42:10.500 --> 00:42:13.700 it. I totally should I totally yeah, 00:42:13.700 --> 00:42:16.700 I mean Donald epically 80s. 00:42:16.700 --> 00:42:21.400 So Back to the Future passed away. 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.300 What was the what was the Riff about back to the future? 00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:25.300 If I remember thee? 00:42:25.300 --> 00:42:29.200 Well, there's there's a couple things that Back to the Future 00:42:29.200 --> 00:42:30.600 the actual movie teaches us. I 00:42:30.600 --> 00:42:33.900 mean the first page of the book literally the inscription 00:42:33.900 --> 00:42:39.200 of the book is the quote for Marty McFly who's who asks doc weight 00:42:39.200 --> 00:42:41.600 and I'm paraphrasing here, but wait what happens to us in the 00:42:41.600 --> 00:42:43.500 future do we become assholes or something? 00:42:43.500 --> 00:42:49.300 And that's like the first stage of the blood and and of course 00:42:49.300 --> 00:42:52.200 the one Trope that comes through in Back to the Future that 00:42:52.200 --> 00:42:55.600 I became really obsessed with was how the 80s 00:42:55.900 --> 00:43:01.700 Taught us to glorify the 1950s that there was this big thing 00:43:01.700 --> 00:43:02.100 in the 80s. 00:43:02.100 --> 00:43:05.000 Where was like, we just have to go back to the 50s cuz everything was 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.500 okay in the 1950s, which of course in the 1950s in the United 00:43:08.500 --> 00:43:11.900 States is basically an apartheid state things really weren't 00:43:11.900 --> 00:43:16.300 that okay in the 1950s, but that actually with the Tea Party 00:43:16.300 --> 00:43:19.400 folks if you remember that this is really a lot of Republican 00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.000 politics one else make America great again, 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:26.600 it's still kind of tapping into that thing that that was a big 00:43:26.600 --> 00:43:29.000 pop culture meme in the 80s certainly in Back to the Future 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.800 that we just have to get back to the earlier simpler time. 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:38.400 I mean, it was really explicit with Trump at the at the convention 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:44.800 in 2016 was opening speaker Scott Baio want to go back to Happy 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:53.600 Days by the way, very funny thing. 00:43:55.900 --> 00:43:59.800 Until like probably when I was an adult did I realize that Happy 00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:01.600 Days wasn't actually made. 00:44:07.300 --> 00:44:12.800 Right Back at Ya kind of weird about it is imagine. 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:13.900 There's all this pop culture. 00:44:13.900 --> 00:44:16.400 I don't think there is that much of it now but like with all 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.300 this 80s pop culture about how awesome the 50 supposedly 00:44:19.300 --> 00:44:22.000 was Happy Days back the future. 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:27.600 Is there a lot of years before hand so is there's not really 00:44:27.600 --> 00:44:31.800 like a ton of Pop Culture right now about how awesome the 1990s 00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:32.800 rap was there. 00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:36.000 Like it's kind of a weird thing the culture isn't that isn't 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.900 so graphically different from the 90s like right now driving 00:44:39.900 --> 00:44:44.300 and also I think a lot of those also was that there were so 00:44:44.300 --> 00:44:55.400 many Boomers who were making movies to go. 00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:58.000 Also there were like big changes right like this. 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:03.600 70s very different like the fifties in the 80s wear these more 00:45:03.600 --> 00:45:08.100 conservative times and he's like, you know revolutionary 00:45:08.100 --> 00:45:14.600 and someone just one thing I will say is one of the most reactionary 00:45:14.600 --> 00:45:17.600 movies that that exist from the 80s that I didn't realize 00:45:17.600 --> 00:45:20.700 his reactionary play kind of wrote the book and studied it a little 00:45:20.700 --> 00:45:25.200 bit movie The Big Chill Out of hatred that it expresses 00:45:25.200 --> 00:45:29.000 for the 1960s is like, I mean really angry like it's really 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:36.400 really angry at the 1960s sitting around a table and they're 00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:36.800 like, oh yeah. 00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.200 I remember when you protested and you were you were defending 00:45:39.200 --> 00:45:42.000 the Black Panthers, whatever that they're all like. Oh 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:52.400 my God, we're idiots because we were heading into that hole. 00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:57.500 We're Boomers were making the decision to like actively 00:45:57.500 --> 00:45:58.200 sell out. 00:45:58.600 --> 00:46:02.400 Totally ready to go to someone like okay now it's time to like 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:05.600 through all that stuff off and make tons of money and that scene 00:46:05.600 --> 00:46:08.500 was like we were right to sell out like it's okay cool that 00:46:08.500 --> 00:46:10.800 we've sold out in like I'm trying to make myself feel better. 00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:15.000 I guess you could argue maybe the filmmakers were sort of making 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:16.200 it to poke fun at that. 00:46:16.200 --> 00:46:17.900 But like if you don't watch it, 00:46:17.900 --> 00:46:19.200 you're not thinking too hard about it. 00:46:19.200 --> 00:46:23.000 You're like, wow, they're like just saying like we were we should 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.500 have done we didn't, we were idiots in college and now it's 00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:35.800 okay to just completely sell out exactly looking back and basically 00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:38.500 if you were involved in 60s protest you have to die of AIDS 00:46:38.500 --> 00:46:48.200 or something like sorry, you're going to be like Dad Osco the 00:46:48.200 --> 00:46:53.500 Forrest Gump I saw in the theaters and I was a counselor 00:46:53.500 --> 00:46:56.500 or see if they see at summer camp at the time and I thought 00:46:56.500 --> 00:46:56.900 it was great. 00:46:56.900 --> 00:46:57.700 It was fun. 00:46:57.700 --> 00:47:01.700 And then I was Fact like Civilization is the city and I remember 00:47:01.700 --> 00:47:04.600 people saying that it was going to be nominated for an Academy 00:47:04.600 --> 00:47:07.800 Award if I can't write no way and in that context, 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.300 it was actually very scary like it was fine. 00:47:10.300 --> 00:47:12.800 When is this cute little quirky movie but when it was supposed 00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:18.200 to be like an epic historical do not mistaken it robbed. 00:47:18.200 --> 00:47:22.000 I think the greatest movie of all time from an Academy Award. 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:29.800 I think I think with Pulp Fiction t-shirt Rob Pulp Fiction 00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:37.400 of it seems like it was like look how sexist the Black Panthers 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:42.400 were that was like, they're their Cameo the car with him like 00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:43.400 hitting a white woman. 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:51.200 Do you spell the whole like taking American history shift happens? 00:47:58.600 --> 00:48:00.000 At what? Would that passed? 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.900 Like, what would he be called? 00:48:02.900 --> 00:48:07.900 Like mentally this I'm not even being like wood that that's 00:48:07.900 --> 00:48:11.400 right. That's right. 00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:12.500 That's right. Yes. 00:48:12.500 --> 00:48:15.500 Yes, Simple Jack character. 00:48:15.500 --> 00:48:25.200 Yes condition. I thought I'd I think there was a meeting 00:48:25.200 --> 00:48:29.200 that went around that anybody in a movie who buttons the top 00:48:29.200 --> 00:48:35.200 button of a collar shirt Hollywood signal it to do sit there 00:48:35.200 --> 00:48:39.500 like not all day how wait you mean buttons it and the whole 00:48:39.500 --> 00:48:49.100 thing for a man is wearing a collared shirt in Hollywood 00:48:49.100 --> 00:48:51.900 movie and it's buttoned all the way to the top Hollywood 00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:54.400 is trying to stick with the view that there's something 00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:54.900 wrong with Kevin. 00:48:58.500 --> 00:49:03.200 The new that he was wearing a tie but he was running the tie 00:49:03.200 --> 00:49:12.300 with the short story is another thing Raymond Raymond were the 00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:14.900 top button buttoned at one point. 00:49:14.900 --> 00:49:24.900 Correct way to say somebody got problems at the top button 00:49:24.900 --> 00:49:26.000 is like I was going to do it. 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:40.000 Yeah, you know, so the version of feminism Fatal Attraction, 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:46.500 we're basically all that thing about being liberated and you 00:49:46.500 --> 00:49:50.300 know, it is great that your ears with the endgame is exactly 00:49:50.300 --> 00:49:58.400 so much darker. 00:49:58.600 --> 00:50:11.900 Stuff from the 1960s I mean and not and not thinking that they're 00:50:11.900 --> 00:50:15.700 getting political messages, but that's on the filter is kind 00:50:15.700 --> 00:50:18.500 of is is down and that's on the messages and I'm not saying 00:50:18.500 --> 00:50:21.000 there's like some conspiracy theory among the Creator is what 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:24.300 it's like that's like deprogramming kind of stuff. 00:50:24.300 --> 00:50:26.200 I mean The A Team again to go back to that. 00:50:26.200 --> 00:50:30.700 It's like the entire premise of the show is that these guys 00:50:30.700 --> 00:50:35.700 were sent in by the government to do a job in Vietnam the government 00:50:35.700 --> 00:50:38.100 basically framed them for a crime. 00:50:38.100 --> 00:50:42.000 They probably broke out of his of a prison because the government 00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:43.100 can't even imprison people. 00:50:43.100 --> 00:50:46.500 Apparently that's the premise and then they're running around 00:50:46.500 --> 00:50:50.300 helping people and the villain is the government trying to stop 00:50:50.300 --> 00:50:53.000 them from helping people to throw them back in jail. 00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:55.900 I mean think about how anti-government that really is a man's 00:50:55.900 --> 00:50:57.300 like really serious. 00:50:58.600 --> 00:51:06.000 Yeah, it is great Charlotte Airport ba baracus on a plane. 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:07.400 Just don't try that. 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.700 You had a lot of those movies that were like private paramilitary 00:51:10.700 --> 00:51:15.600 groups in the 80s the other great one I love was Predator 00:51:15.600 --> 00:51:19.200 when when they get to the village and I always thought this 00:51:19.200 --> 00:51:22.100 was this is a great thing to teach the youth when you get to 00:51:22.100 --> 00:51:25.800 the village and you asked the question about what who's been 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.000 here or whether they've seen a monster and the person can't 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:30.300 answer because they speak Spanish. 00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:35.000 All you got to do is shake them a little darker immediately 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:35.700 start speaking English. 00:51:35.700 --> 00:51:44.800 Of course, there was an interview with Michael Douglas where 00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:48.000 he said something to the effect of about Wall Street that she 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:49.100 asked for the movie came out. 00:51:49.100 --> 00:51:52.800 He was kind of horrified at how many people would come up to him 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.800 and say that they love Gordon Gekko and didn't see Gordon 00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:58.100 Gekko as a villain and he was like 00:51:58.600 --> 00:52:11.800 In the USA like Gordon Gekko is not not like to the 2008 thing 00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:14.800 with that a whole generation of people who went to Wall Street. 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:20.100 It didn't get that that he was supposed to be a villain and did 00:52:20.100 --> 00:52:26.200 that whole like, you know greed Works a whole series of those 00:52:26.200 --> 00:52:30.500 dudes and now we're and now we're living in you know, 00:52:30.500 --> 00:52:35.400 the Inn in what that pop culture and helped us at Wesleyan 00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:38.600 called narrative and ideology with This brilliant Professor 00:52:38.600 --> 00:52:43.100 Koch it to Lillian who's super smart and I wrote and it was all 00:52:43.100 --> 00:52:49.600 about movies and ideology and I think I wrote my my final paper 00:52:49.600 --> 00:52:54.100 on pretty woman, but we walked in that class who likes like 00:52:54.100 --> 00:52:56.700 Secret of My Success and this is a guy it's interesting 00:52:56.700 --> 00:53:01.500 cuz this is a professor who taught like Freud and you know Foucault 00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:06.800 and Alastair but also this class cuz I'll tell you what the creepiest 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.300 part of all this stuff that I learned when I reported that book 00:53:10.300 --> 00:53:14.800 was How Deeply involved the Pentagon is in directly in making 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:16.200 it make a Selman. 00:53:16.200 --> 00:53:26.200 I mean early line editing scripts like that is not an exaggeration. 00:53:26.200 --> 00:53:29.300 That is what the Pentagon will tell you the date that they do 00:53:29.300 --> 00:53:33.100 that essentially if you want access to military hardware 00:53:33.100 --> 00:53:38.100 244 your movie which is a huge essentially a subsidy cuz otherwise 00:53:38.100 --> 00:53:40.000 you have to recreate it and spend a lot of money. 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:42.100 If you want access like an armed. 00:53:42.100 --> 00:53:46.100 I need a pit on YouTube this this scene on the on the deck of 00:53:46.100 --> 00:53:47.100 an aircraft carrier. 00:53:47.100 --> 00:53:49.700 The military was a great we can totally do that for you. 00:53:49.700 --> 00:53:53.500 Let me see your script a weekend edited line at it to make sure 00:53:53.500 --> 00:53:55.900 it's exactly what we wanted to say. 00:53:55.900 --> 00:53:58.100 And by the way interesting interesting. 00:53:58.600 --> 00:54:02.700 Side Story Kevin Costner if I'm remembering correctly. 00:54:02.700 --> 00:54:11.000 They were making 13 days the movie about the sure they want 00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:14.000 these pictures of the you know, I think it was boats or something 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:14.500 about the Embargo. 00:54:14.500 --> 00:54:18.500 Like they wanted it likes her a lot wide shots of of Destroyers 00:54:18.500 --> 00:54:24.800 in the ocean and the military like you skip spine 13 days but 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:29.100 this interaction between I think was Curtis LeMay and I think 00:54:29.100 --> 00:54:34.300 Robert Kennedy this makes the military Look to You Know belligerent. I 00:54:34.300 --> 00:54:37.500 think Curtis LeMay was saying we we we should nuke Uber or something 00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:40.500 and and the filmmakers were like, yeah, 00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:47.100 dude, that's like literally for my transcripts in the Pentagon 00:54:47.100 --> 00:54:48.300 was still at yeah, that's fine. 00:54:48.300 --> 00:54:49.100 But no, you're not. 00:54:49.100 --> 00:54:50.200 You're not making the trip. 00:54:50.200 --> 00:54:55.700 I think Kostner like himself something along the lines of like 00:54:55.700 --> 00:54:58.400 he put up his own money cuz he was like screw. 00:54:58.600 --> 00:55:01.500 Are you I'm making this movie The Way We want to make it and 00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:02.700 so kudos to him. 00:55:02.700 --> 00:55:04.300 If I buy something like that. 00:55:04.300 --> 00:55:05.400 What the hell is like? 00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.100 Can you imagine the Pentagon literally said to the filmmakers 00:55:08.100 --> 00:55:12.800 were not going to help you or allow you essentially to make 00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:15.900 this movie or cooperate with you to make this movie because 00:55:15.900 --> 00:55:19.800 you're directly quoting as far as the tapes from the White 00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:21.900 House of history that actually happened. 00:55:21.900 --> 00:55:25.200 Right? Right, but we can't have that's not revisionist 00:55:25.200 --> 00:55:30.000 enough that gives a whole new meaning to a revised script. 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.100 I mean, it's really the how heavy-handed the military is the 00:55:34.100 --> 00:55:36.800 guy who ran the office in the at the Pentagon a guy named fill 00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:40.800 screw. He would eat he was open about this because he was that's 00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:41.900 him sentencing look at me. 00:55:41.900 --> 00:55:42.400 I'm doing my job. 00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:45.400 He was saying to his higher-ups scripts. 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:47.200 Like that's what I'm hired. 00:55:47.200 --> 00:55:51.400 That's what the milk do the Pentagon film office is is exist 00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:52.700 to do right? 00:55:52.700 --> 00:55:54.300 Well, they did a good job. 00:55:54.300 --> 00:55:56.600 They definitely did they definitely 00:55:58.600 --> 00:56:01.700 Was it there was one director who said that he was told I think 00:56:01.700 --> 00:56:03.500 it was making Hunt for Red October. 00:56:03.500 --> 00:56:08.700 He was saying that the studio that did the value of the Pentagon 00:56:08.700 --> 00:56:12.600 cooperating with you did the monetary value of them saying 00:56:12.600 --> 00:56:15.500 that you can use our planes and do all this is so great that 00:56:15.500 --> 00:56:19.600 Studios started saying not surprisingly either you get the pentagon's 00:56:19.600 --> 00:56:23.100 approval to make your movie or the movie is not going to be made 00:56:23.100 --> 00:56:27.100 then you get a shocker you get like for everyone. 00:56:27.100 --> 00:56:31.100 Mildly Anthony war movie you get you get like five hundred 00:56:31.100 --> 00:56:34.400 movies glorifying, you know, essentially war-making in the military that 00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:39.500 right and I don't think it's an accident that in the 80s 00:56:39.500 --> 00:56:43.700 that were thousand movies that had, you know military hardware 00:56:43.700 --> 00:56:48.400 in them, but the generation before that but basically it's stripes 00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:51.300 and nothing else was like the you know that right 00:56:57.100 --> 00:57:02.400 I'm coming into the 80s The public's faith in the military 00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:08.200 after the Vietnam War was at an all-time low and the Public's 00:57:08.200 --> 00:57:12.800 Faith essentially after the 80s after all of this pop culture 00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:16.900 is the only pop culture But like after all of this sort of Republican 00:57:16.900 --> 00:57:19.800 and political saber-rattling plus the pop culture, 00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:23.000 but you know, it is now where it is now, 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:26.500 which is to say that it's extremely hard to ever questioned the 00:57:26.500 --> 00:57:30.100 military because the military is not just held in in in in 00:57:30.100 --> 00:57:33.300 good standing in the public mind but it's like it's it's holding 00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:36.900 a standing where it's it's hard to even raise basic respectful 00:57:36.900 --> 00:57:39.600 questions about military policy, you know governments 00:57:39.600 --> 00:57:43.500 but a pentagon spending in the like so that pop culture and that 00:57:43.500 --> 00:57:47.800 aggressive use of the film office at 8 for going to TV movies 00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:51.100 etcetera etcetera that was part of the pentagon's deliberate 00:57:51.100 --> 00:57:55.000 plan to kind of resuscitate its image after the Vietnam War end 00:57:55.000 --> 00:58:00.500 and by the way to children Did the show GI Joe the cartoon, 00:58:00.500 --> 00:58:04.900 I mean that has a show one thing that it created as a as 00:58:04.900 --> 00:58:07.800 a as a sort of standard set or was there used to be a 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:13.400 rule that said essentially that you cannot have a toy that that 00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:17.900 then creates a program that is a full like it's not just a commercial 00:58:17.900 --> 00:58:24.200 but it's a full television show GI Joe the entire show is a commercial 00:58:24.200 --> 00:58:29.700 for a minute for a a military themed product of course is sending 00:58:29.700 --> 00:58:32.600 all sorts of messages about how you know important. 00:58:32.600 --> 00:58:35.600 You know, the Pentagon spending is the military etcetera 00:58:35.600 --> 00:58:41.700 etcetera. So I'm down to kids as well and they were all the way 00:58:41.700 --> 00:58:45.100 back then even going to video game conventions looking for kids to 00:58:45.100 --> 00:58:47.100 do be drunk eyelets and stuff like that. 00:58:47.100 --> 00:58:52.200 But the amazing thing about about that is you couple all that 00:58:52.200 --> 00:58:56.600 propaganda with the loss of confidence in all these other 00:58:57.100 --> 00:59:00.700 Institutions and you look at the Gallup polls about like which 00:59:00.700 --> 00:59:03.400 which institutions do you have to the public have confidence in 00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:06.800 its like the military is up here police. 00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.400 Are you at surprisingly still somewhere like in the middle 00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:11.800 and then like everybody else Congress the Press, 00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:13.400 you know doctors. 00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:15.900 They're all like Leaps and Bounds below. 00:59:15.900 --> 00:59:19.200 Yes, the military's this is still far away. 00:59:19.200 --> 00:59:22.000 Right? I mean if you have a hundred a hundred percent and and 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:23.400 by the way, you're mentioned a video games, 00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:25.700 so I dug up a clip. 00:59:25.700 --> 00:59:27.600 It is one of the creepiest Clips ever. 00:59:27.600 --> 00:59:31.000 It is from Ronald Reagan did a speech at Epcot Center. 00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:35.500 Okay, and he is literally talking about Space Invaders and he's 00:59:35.500 --> 00:59:37.100 saying something to the effect. 00:59:37.100 --> 00:59:39.400 It's like he's like creepily specific. 00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:42.400 He's like you watch these kids play Space Invaders, 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:46.200 and these are the screens that are going to be in cockpits. 00:59:46.200 --> 00:59:47.600 These are the fighters of the Future. 00:59:47.600 --> 00:59:51.000 These are these are like to see if your pot heighten you literally 00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:52.300 talking about like drone Warfare. 00:59:57.100 --> 01:00:02.000 I forgot to look to see whether that speech was before or after 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:05.100 the movie The Last Starfighter because that was like really 01:00:05.100 --> 01:00:08.000 what The Last Starfighter was sort of like remember they recruited 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:11.800 the kid who played the game really well-liked Reagan is like 01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:15.900 so on point and horrifying it looks like then you fast-forward 01:00:15.900 --> 01:00:20.600 to the Drone pilots who were essentially going into like a you 01:00:20.600 --> 01:00:24.300 know, what a video game center to run the Drone bomb that mean 01:00:24.300 --> 01:00:27.500 if it's really creepy and I did I did a lot there was a 01:00:27.500 --> 01:00:35.000 lot actually in the book about about race Cosby Show me The Cosby 01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:44.700 Show. I mean The Cosby Show stuff is unlike originally 01:00:44.700 --> 01:00:50.500 the the the family was supposed to be I think she was a limo 01:00:50.500 --> 01:00:54.900 driver and he was a carpenter and they tested it and basically 01:00:54.900 --> 01:00:57.000 the audience's didn't like it is. 01:00:57.100 --> 01:00:58.900 Watch so they made them more upscale. 01:00:58.900 --> 01:01:04.300 And there was this idea that sort of a white audience didn't 01:01:04.300 --> 01:01:08.600 necessarily want to watch a working-class African-American 01:01:08.600 --> 01:01:11.000 on it. And what's really in the 1970s. 01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:14.700 There were a lot of shows with African-American 01:01:14.700 --> 01:01:21.000 working-class character in the 80s with the Advent of The Cosby 01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:24.800 Show that there's there's more African-Americans 01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:27.400 on TV and in movies in the 1980s, 01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:32.200 but there's almost no African-Americans in movies and TV who 01:01:32.200 --> 01:01:45.900 are working class like that like a weird. 01:01:45.900 --> 01:01:48.800 I mean, there's a storyline in Webster. 01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:52.800 That's like when you look back at it so I can so horrifying 01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:56.100 you remember the story line with Ben Vereen how they rescue 01:01:56.100 --> 01:02:02.700 the Hawaii. Family rescues Emmanuel Lewis Webster from a low-income 01:02:02.700 --> 01:02:04.900 black neighborhoods in Chicago. 01:02:04.900 --> 01:02:09.100 I can't remember but but they wrap date they quote rescue 01:02:09.100 --> 01:02:11.900 him and he's doing the end of his uncle his like, 01:02:11.900 --> 01:02:16.200 you know blood relative comes back and it's like I want wet like I'm 01:02:16.200 --> 01:02:18.300 going to take care of Webster now and there was that whole 01:02:18.300 --> 01:02:23.800 thing where it was like we can't let Webster go back to a low-income 01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:27.200 African-American Community with his uncle like that was a huge 01:02:27.200 --> 01:02:30.100 source of tension in that right? 01:02:30.100 --> 01:02:33.400 There was a similar kind of thing going on in Different 01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:37.700 Strokes, right? It was like the white family leaving low-income 01:02:37.700 --> 01:02:45.400 black children from essentially the black community has been 01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:46.100 around then 01:02:46.600 --> 01:02:50.800 To reunite them and then Bala style. 01:02:50.800 --> 01:03:03.100 What's your speaking of what I was talking with a friend about 01:03:03.100 --> 01:03:07.600 how which shows and movies would ever pass like awoke test today 01:03:07.600 --> 01:03:13.100 and like first of all Back to the Future just the like it's 01:03:13.100 --> 01:03:16.600 he's like teaches a black I had to play as a solo right isn't 01:03:16.600 --> 01:03:35.000 play music from farpoint. 01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:40.400 I also love if you look back at Family times now, 01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:46.200 yes. Yes, like the architect for basically 20 or 25 years worth 01:03:46.200 --> 01:03:46.300 of 01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:49.800 American culture we're basically liberals play the straight-man. 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:51.200 I mean, I think that's that that. 01:03:51.200 --> 01:03:58.800 Is now over but I'm in Family Ties it goes back to me. 01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:01.800 It's essentially the entire show is making fun of the 60s. I 01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:11.100 mean don't like them we like them but they're losers by kind of 01:04:11.100 --> 01:04:18.800 successful and they used to talk to the guy for the book 01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:22.700 who who who made the show wrote the show and he told me about 01:04:22.700 --> 01:04:25.000 audience Test the show is supposed to be about the parents 01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:35.400 and then the audience loved Alex Gary Goldman. 01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:41.100 He he said that they they had to like they could never take 01:04:41.100 --> 01:04:45.500 Alex all the way in his politics meaning if you walk 01:04:46.700 --> 01:04:49.800 Brick of the show is like he's a conservative douchebag. 01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:57.900 Like I actually like be a good guy actually be a normal person. 01:04:57.900 --> 01:05:03.600 It's the same show as all in the family except except they tipped 01:05:03.600 --> 01:05:11.200 they take out the teeth of the conservatives versus liberals 01:05:11.200 --> 01:05:12.500 stuff, which is really funny. 01:05:12.500 --> 01:05:16.800 I mean like totally in Balance, but they just said they'd 01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:21.500 defend everything that was you know, horrifying about conservative 01:05:21.500 --> 01:05:24.800 politics Benedict Michael j.fox. 01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:29.800 You can tell yourself like I I love Michael J, 01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:33.300 you know, Alex beekeeping and republicanism and Reagan. 01:05:33.300 --> 01:05:35.800 Remember, I think he had a picture of Richard Nixon on his wall 01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:39.000 and like it you can let you can be like a republican as long 01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:42.200 as it's like a good person as long as you're not a republican 01:05:42.200 --> 01:05:46.100 like at the end of the day like you can take it all the 01:05:46.100 --> 01:05:46.300 way. 01:05:46.700 --> 01:05:49.200 There's a really funny thing that you remember where he's like 01:05:49.200 --> 01:05:53.100 talking to a classroom of like kindergarten kids and ends explained 01:05:53.100 --> 01:05:54.800 that taxes are a scary monster. 01:05:54.800 --> 01:06:02.100 Okay, so we have an 80s character now basically running the country. 01:06:02.100 --> 01:06:07.500 Yes. You just did a story about his OSHA policy, 01:06:07.500 --> 01:06:10.900 which is actually right. 01:06:10.900 --> 01:06:17.000 Oh, yeah. So walk us through what Trump has done in 4 years 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:20.600 and how it has been it is kind of a funny, 01:06:20.600 --> 01:06:23.200 It's not funny but it is a come back to this whole thing. 01:06:23.200 --> 01:06:28.600 But you know, this is been inculcated in us for decades now and 01:06:28.600 --> 01:06:34.500 yeah it right so up OSHA is this is this agency that is supposed 01:06:34.500 --> 01:06:38.100 to police workplace safety. 01:06:38.100 --> 01:06:42.600 Like if your workplace is not safe for your or you feel like 01:06:42.600 --> 01:06:46.500 your employer is not following protocol to keep you safer in. 01:06:46.700 --> 01:06:48.800 Let's say in a deadly pandemic. 01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:53.900 You can file a complaint with OSHA and OSHA is supposed 01:06:53.900 --> 01:06:57.800 to be the one that comes and takes a look and send inspectors 01:06:57.800 --> 01:07:01.700 to see if your workplace is following basic protocols. 01:07:01.700 --> 01:07:12.000 Trump comes in. 01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:17.800 He essentially through all sorts of budget Shenanigans 01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:24.100 in the like reduces the agency's resources to do random inspections 01:07:24.100 --> 01:07:30.200 complaint base inspections all inspections and there's data 01:07:30.200 --> 01:07:34.200 out there to say that employers that fear a random inspection 01:07:34.200 --> 01:07:40.500 end up not surprisingly keeping Buena following the the law much 01:07:40.500 --> 01:07:43.600 better than than companies that don't like it here if you know, 01:07:43.600 --> 01:07:46.400 they like your work place you're going to probably 01:07:46.700 --> 01:07:48.600 Things more clean than if you were like it. 01:07:48.600 --> 01:07:49.300 Never coming, right? 01:07:49.300 --> 01:07:54.100 So Trump essentially makes it much reduces the amount of inspections that 01:07:54.100 --> 01:07:57.300 happen in the pandemic what we see is 01:07:58.600 --> 01:08:04.000 A correlation a direct correlation between workers filinkova 01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:08.900 dreidel. OSHA complaints essentially workers me like hey OSHA. 01:08:08.900 --> 01:08:12.100 My workplace is not safe and I'm really worried about this and 01:08:12.100 --> 01:08:16.300 hear some specifics a correlation between that and 17 days later 01:08:16.300 --> 01:08:20.500 a spike in Copa dots among workers. 01:08:20.500 --> 01:08:24.800 So essentially there's a direct cause-and-effect 01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:28.800 and certainly a correlation workers begging the Trump Administration 01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:32.800 for help the agency that's been gutted by Trump. 01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:36.600 It's supposed to police this kind of stuff basically blowing 01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:39.300 off the complaints and big shocker. 01:08:39.300 --> 01:08:42.900 The end result is workers died and was incredible about this 01:08:42.900 --> 01:08:47.800 graph is that you you can see over the entire country that the 01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:49.000 OSHA complaints. 01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:53.500 Bdd Spike of OSHA complaint tracks. 01:08:53.500 --> 01:09:00.000 It's like a precursor to that to that curve of covid-19. 01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:03.300 So almost perfectly of people say my workplace is not safe to 01:09:03.300 --> 01:09:06.300 like a definite a spike and death rates. 01:09:06.300 --> 01:09:16.300 You just get some the next question and you didn't know Harry 01:09:16.300 --> 01:09:31.100 colon. Sorry, Crescent to it because time and again be whenever 01:09:31.100 --> 01:09:36.300 there's there's an issue that you're over stuff like that. 01:09:36.300 --> 01:09:40.800 Right? And so we have a supreme court nomination and it's all 01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:42.600 they want to do is talk about it feel like 01:09:43.300 --> 01:09:50.900 Religion crashes handmade in particular about issues like this 01:09:50.900 --> 01:09:54.700 were pretty much is juice dependably going to the side with 01:09:54.700 --> 01:09:58.700 employers probably on every kind of issue. 01:09:58.700 --> 01:09:59.900 That would possibly come before the court. 01:09:59.900 --> 01:10:04.800 Right? So so look, I think that the Democratic message on on Barrett's 01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:10.600 nomination. They have tried to focus some of it on Roe v Wade 01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:16.300 woman's right to choose where where Barrett is extremely 01:10:16.300 --> 01:10:20.000 extremely conservative. You know, what they've done they started 01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:24.300 to do some of their messaging the Democrats on her threat 01:10:24.300 --> 01:10:28.400 to overturn the Affordable Care Act, which it is something 01:10:28.400 --> 01:10:29.500 of an economic issue. 01:10:29.500 --> 01:10:31.800 You negotiate the pre-existing condition stuff. 01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:33.600 So I think that's you know, I think that's 01:10:34.100 --> 01:10:37.500 That's different than what we typically gotten in Supreme 01:10:37.500 --> 01:10:39.500 Court battles. I mean, that's the problem with Supreme Court 01:10:39.500 --> 01:10:43.900 battles with the last 15 years among among them is that the debates 01:10:43.900 --> 01:10:48.600 have typically focused almost exclusively on social and cultural 01:10:48.600 --> 01:10:53.500 issues. Not that those are not important but to the to the exclusion 01:10:53.500 --> 01:10:58.500 of economic corporate power issues, which by the way is what 01:10:58.500 --> 01:11:00.700 the court is mostly dealing with right of me. 01:11:00.700 --> 01:11:03.000 If you pay attention to the news you might think that the Supreme 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:06.500 Court just only kind of arbitrate social and cultural issues 01:11:06.500 --> 01:11:08.500 civil rights and stuff again important issues, 01:11:08.500 --> 01:11:12.300 but did it it has nothing to do with like day-to-day economic 01:11:12.300 --> 01:11:16.000 life in America, but that's actually the opposite and so the 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:20.200 reason why there's so much money behind Amy Barrett's nomination 01:11:20.200 --> 01:11:23.000 you got TV ad campaign got the US Chamber of Commerce you got 01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:27.600 that the Koch brothers is because because they care that much 01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:32.700 about abortion policy or or or religious issues because those 01:11:32.700 --> 01:11:33.600 are the groups that care about 01:11:34.100 --> 01:11:37.900 Wanting a supreme court has 6 2/3 majority that will be a corporate 01:11:37.900 --> 01:11:40.700 rubber stamp for the rest of our lives and Amy Barrett record 01:11:40.700 --> 01:11:42.800 is is one of a corporate rubber-stamped. 01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:45.700 There was one announces the found it in cases dealing with corporations 01:11:45.700 --> 01:11:50.200 in workers 76% of the cases that she ruled on in those kinds 01:11:50.200 --> 01:11:55.400 of cases ruled with essentially corporate interest weeks before 01:11:55.400 --> 01:11:58.400 her nomination Nation. 01:11:58.400 --> 01:12:01.800 She issued a ruling that essentially makes it much harder 01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:07.300 for Gig economy workers to go to essentially force their employers 01:12:07.300 --> 01:12:12.300 to pay them overtime pay technical issue is a technical 01:12:12.300 --> 01:12:13.200 ruling in the legs. 01:12:13.200 --> 01:12:22.800 I know things like Uber drivers and we are allowed to go to court 01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:27.600 and for back pay overtime pay with GrubHub and Grub said no you 01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:32.100 signed an arbitration an arbitration agreement and the GrubHub 01:12:32.100 --> 01:12:33.600 worker said, yeah, but we 01:12:34.100 --> 01:12:37.200 Transportation workers under the federal arbitration 01:12:37.200 --> 01:12:42.000 act we are those are trade agreements are not valid and she said 01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:42.400 you know what? 01:12:42.400 --> 01:12:46.500 No, they are valid which and the upshot of a decision like that 01:12:46.500 --> 01:12:47.600 is that workers? 01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:50.300 Not just the GrubHub but kind of all throughout the gig economy. 01:12:50.300 --> 01:12:54.700 Now, it's much harder for them to go into court to even have 01:12:54.700 --> 01:13:00.300 the the overtime claim litigated in court like this like closing 01:13:00.300 --> 01:13:03.400 the courthouse door so that the court doesn't even have to deal 01:13:03.400 --> 01:13:06.700 with it. I need your company that employs thousands of gig workers. 01:13:06.700 --> 01:13:09.500 Like that's exactly what you won't even have to make your argument 01:13:09.500 --> 01:13:12.100 just like you can't get a screw you can't even go to court. 01:13:12.100 --> 01:13:16.000 So that's why all this money is behind Ami bera's nomination 01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:20.500 important to stress this I think and David you and I talked 01:13:20.500 --> 01:13:25.800 about this before but it's not like throwing people under the 01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:28.900 bus or thrown cultural issues under the bus for throwing 01:13:28.900 --> 01:13:33.100 civil rights under the bus to emphasize economic issues because 01:13:33.100 --> 01:13:33.600 it ended 01:13:34.100 --> 01:13:35.400 Interesting sample of it, right? 01:13:35.400 --> 01:13:40.800 Because you know people like Sanders Austin get accused of being 01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:44.200 bad and identity politics, right and we often the response 01:13:44.200 --> 01:13:48.800 is like if you care about racism if you care about sexism, 01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:55.200 the people most impacted by for instance minimum wage laws are 01:13:55.200 --> 01:13:57.000 people of color and women, right? 01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:00.700 So all these Universal programs actually disproportionately 01:14:00.700 --> 01:14:04.700 Empower most marginalized communities, but this is kind of another 01:14:04.700 --> 01:14:07.600 example of that which is that if you care about cultural 01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:11.400 issues, you need to talk about economic issues because we know 01:14:11.400 --> 01:14:16.200 that unlike cultural issues which are wedge issue economic 01:14:16.200 --> 01:14:19.300 issues. Go across the Spectrum in terms of Voters not in terms 01:14:19.300 --> 01:14:23.000 of politician, who is that I mean, 01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:31.200 I've always seen this emphasis on a lot a lot of these cultural 01:14:31.200 --> 01:14:33.700 issues especially recently as being 01:14:34.100 --> 01:14:38.200 Unintentional tactic to make it possible for the Democratic 01:14:38.200 --> 01:14:41.800 party to not address, you know these broader economic issues 01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:45.100 on the obviously David, you know, you can speak to this after 01:14:45.100 --> 01:14:48.000 having been involved with the Sanders campaign, 01:14:48.000 --> 01:15:00.600 but isn't that kind of clear that like if you cared about abortion, 01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:03.600 right? Cuz one of things is that as you just refer to Matt and 01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:04.500 we'll get into more right? 01:15:04.500 --> 01:15:08.100 It's like this is Dems like to distract from economic issues 01:15:08.100 --> 01:15:13.300 by kind of by like micro-targeting and talking about the importance 01:15:13.300 --> 01:15:16.400 of identity, but just to distract from Universal progress 01:15:16.400 --> 01:15:19.000 with this is another way and it's so concrete right? 01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:23.300 Because if we know that talkin about Amy Coney Barrett Coney 01:15:23.300 --> 01:15:27.500 Barrett economic stuff could actually Reach people who otherwise 01:15:27.500 --> 01:15:31.000 like her for cultural region, what you're doing is u.s. 01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:35.000 Dams are neutering yourself stopping your From blocking 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:38.900 this person who's anti-choice so you're not even protecting 01:15:38.900 --> 01:15:41.900 the social right that you claim to care about because you're 01:15:41.900 --> 01:15:43.100 enabling her confirmation. 01:15:43.100 --> 01:15:45.800 So one thing a couple things I would say one. 01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:49.800 It's not that we should be more specific. 01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:54.100 It's not just economic issues because I do think you know availability 01:15:54.100 --> 01:15:58.300 of Reproductive Services of for women, that is an economic 01:15:58.300 --> 01:16:04.300 issue corporate power over workers. 01:16:04.300 --> 01:16:10.100 That's the reason why the Democrats don't love talk about those 01:16:10.100 --> 01:16:14.700 issues is the state the obvious is because they get lots of money 01:16:14.700 --> 01:16:17.700 from many of those same corporate interest. 01:16:17.700 --> 01:16:21.600 So what ends up happening in politics with her sister Greenport 01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:26.100 or really into lots of other kind of places is that the calculus 01:16:26.100 --> 01:16:27.700 is okay. I've got corporate-owned. 01:16:27.700 --> 01:16:28.500 I'm a democratic. 01:16:28.500 --> 01:16:33.300 Corporate donors hear the Republicans are more extreme than 01:16:33.300 --> 01:16:37.100 I am on economic issues but issues of corporate power. 01:16:37.100 --> 01:16:40.000 I don't necessarily love to talk about them because I got the 01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:41.900 corporate donors overhears Wall Street owners. 01:16:41.900 --> 01:16:43.500 We don't do that might offend. 01:16:43.500 --> 01:16:48.200 So I'm going to talk about mostly Co Trolli shoes that don't 01:16:48.200 --> 01:16:54.500 affect corporate power questions because that way I can do something. 01:16:54.500 --> 01:16:56.700 That's morally right like, you know Grant, 01:16:56.700 --> 01:16:59.200 you know being for a woman's right to choose is morally right, 01:16:59.200 --> 01:17:02.800 you know lots and lots of democratic voters support those rights 01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:06.100 rightfully so and it doesn't offend my Wall Street donors. 01:17:06.100 --> 01:17:07.800 Now the problem is is as you say, 01:17:07.800 --> 01:17:11.000 what ends up happening is is it then you potentially 01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:15.800 though can't make one of the most powerful cases against 01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:19.900 for instance a republican nominee to the Supreme Court because 01:17:19.900 --> 01:17:24.000 if you could make that argument if you set aside your Wall Street 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:27.200 Downers and you know not caring about what they might say, 01:17:27.200 --> 01:17:32.100 you could go into that hearing and use the Supreme Court hearings 01:17:32.100 --> 01:17:36.700 to try to expose this nominee to the working-class 01:17:36.700 --> 01:17:40.900 perhaps culturally conservative base of the Republican 01:17:40.900 --> 01:17:44.800 party. You could say to that base if you do it right Hey listen 01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:48.700 whether or not you like any bear John her cultural positions 01:17:48.700 --> 01:17:52.200 on religious issues in the like she's actually work to sell 01:17:52.200 --> 01:17:55.800 out workers over and over and over again and would you can try 01:17:55.800 --> 01:18:00.500 to expose a republican nominee as a betrayal and economic 01:18:00.500 --> 01:18:05.000 betrayal of that working class, but you can't do that if the 01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:10.300 way you're deciding how to make a criticism factors in not offending 01:18:10.300 --> 01:18:11.400 large corporate down. 01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:17.000 Write this is also getting to your to your both of your points though. 01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:21.500 If you're worried that there that they are robbing 01:18:21.500 --> 01:18:22.500 themselves an argument. 01:18:22.500 --> 01:18:26.300 They want to make they they they could make against Coney Barrett, 01:18:26.300 --> 01:18:29.200 but really want to get down to it. 01:18:29.200 --> 01:18:33.000 The question is are they actually trying to win or are they 01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:36.200 trying to preserve the business model of what they're what their 01:18:36.200 --> 01:18:37.500 political operation is. 01:18:37.500 --> 01:18:42.300 And if they're trying to do the ladder then then it makes perfect 01:18:42.300 --> 01:18:51.000 sense. Then that is the thesis of Thomas Frank's, you 01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:53.500 know, listen liberal that they don't actually want to do these 01:18:53.500 --> 01:18:56.800 things that they pretend they love to do and I guess my thing 01:18:56.800 --> 01:19:00.900 is wine bring that up is because so many people who say oh you're 01:19:00.900 --> 01:19:04.600 your talk up don't talk about I mean and I don't think they 01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:06.200 don't say don't talk about corporate power. 01:19:06.200 --> 01:19:09.600 They just act like I did but and you made a really important 01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:12.400 distinction there David, but all these people who like to pretend 01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:17.100 Let you know that that were a bunch of what is it class reductionist 01:19:17.100 --> 01:19:20.600 and that they're the ones we're going to talk about cultural 01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:24.600 issues. The irony, of course is that by talking about just cultural 01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:30.000 issues they are enabling their empowering culturally conservative 01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:33.800 nominees and that goes for the the people in like, 01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:37.400 you know, but voters our lives in general or need never want to 01:19:37.400 --> 01:19:39.800 call them and of course the politicians like, 01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:41.800 you know, he'll hurt my favorite line of Hillary Clinton's 01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:46.100 breaking up the banks going to going to end racism and like 01:19:46.100 --> 01:19:50.000 that is what you know, what then if you talked about breaking 01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:54.500 up the banks more you could probably like stop a person who is 01:19:54.500 --> 01:19:56.600 Andy Choice from going to the Supreme Court, 01:19:56.600 --> 01:19:59.200 you know, and I know she's okay with that. 01:19:59.200 --> 01:19:59.900 That's the whole point. 01:19:59.900 --> 01:20:01.800 I don't know. 01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:05.000 It's hard to know legislator by legislator weather. 01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:09.200 You know, they actually want like I mean, 01:20:09.200 --> 01:20:12.400 I'm sure they're there is some Democratic senators on the the 01:20:12.400 --> 01:20:15.000 right wing of the democratic party who would say yeah. 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:17.500 I looked at Amy Coney Barrett record on gone corporate 01:20:17.500 --> 01:20:19.900 power and I actually like her record on Corbett Ave. 01:20:19.900 --> 01:20:22.400 I'm sure that I'm sure there are some of them I think there are 01:20:22.400 --> 01:20:25.000 others who were who who may not like it but are worried about 01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:28.000 their the party's donors, but I think ultimately 01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.200 yes, you're right. 01:20:30.200 --> 01:20:34.300 I mean politics then becomes narrowed to arguments over cultural 01:20:34.300 --> 01:20:38.200 and social issues where we to the point where we're not actually 01:20:38.200 --> 01:20:42.200 talking about the corporate power issues that defined day-to-day 01:20:42.200 --> 01:20:45.400 economic life in America and and look if you look at the selection 01:20:45.400 --> 01:20:47.100 to zoom out a little bit. 01:20:47.100 --> 01:20:48.100 I mean just look at health care. 01:20:48.100 --> 01:20:51.000 I mean the amazing thing about the debate on Health Care Which 01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:53.800 Wich says this to do, you know perfectly exemplifies 01:20:53.800 --> 01:20:57.800 this is it the debate now the national debate on health care 01:20:57.800 --> 01:20:59.500 if you're a health insurance CEO, you're like, 01:20:59.500 --> 01:21:00.100 this is awesome. 01:21:00.100 --> 01:21:04.000 Right? Like the entire debate on Health Care Now is like the 01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:05.600 Republicans want to get rid of the entire. 01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:10.500 ACA and pre-existing conditions right to make me an insurance 01:21:10.500 --> 01:21:14.100 CEO I can make even more money in that situation or the Democrats 01:21:14.100 --> 01:21:18.200 were just saying preserve the ACA preserve pre-existing 01:21:18.200 --> 01:21:20.900 conditions preserve these subsidies for private insurance. 01:21:20.900 --> 01:21:25.400 Let's not talk about actually producing the power of the insurance 01:21:25.400 --> 01:21:28.400 industry as a middleman between Americans and medical providers 01:21:28.400 --> 01:21:31.900 right to the point is that they ended up narrowing the entire 01:21:31.900 --> 01:21:37.300 debate on Healthcare to two options that the health insurance 01:21:37.300 --> 01:21:41.600 companies are perfectly fine with and then you take that out 01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:45.000 till like every other issue and you realize it that the debate 01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:48.400 has been completely narrow and part of the narrowing of the debate 01:21:48.400 --> 01:21:51.900 is to say that the big conflagrations in politics will be about 01:21:51.900 --> 01:21:53.000 cultural and social issues. 01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:58.400 They won't really be about issues of corporate power those 01:21:58.400 --> 01:22:01.400 issues that are actually declining and sculpting day today 01:22:01.400 --> 01:22:02.300 economic life in America. 01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:09.400 On the Supreme Court who is bad on cultural issues? 01:22:09.400 --> 01:22:14.200 That's like the that's the big fuck you to everyone who cares 01:22:14.200 --> 01:22:14.700 about those things. 01:22:14.700 --> 01:22:20.600 Sorry, but instead of speaking openly about how he's the guy 01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:23.200 who beat the Socialist while he's got Bernie camp and campaigning 01:22:23.200 --> 01:22:34.200 for him. You know, Joe Biden I feel like as I said during 01:22:34.200 --> 01:22:36.300 campaigns that after the game and Joe Biden was 01:22:37.500 --> 01:22:42.400 You don't came of political age in the 80s and 1990s. 01:22:42.400 --> 01:22:46.400 And in that era it was considered the smartest shrewdest 01:22:46.400 --> 01:22:49.600 most Savvy politics to triangulate yourself against the base 01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:50.600 of the democratic party. 01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:53.600 You were Democrat you back in that area was like awesome 01:22:53.600 --> 01:22:55.100 to go out and be like look at me. 01:22:55.100 --> 01:22:55.800 I'm not a liberal. 01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:57.200 Look at all those horrible lip. 01:22:57.200 --> 01:23:03.400 That was Joe Biden Poll for Senate speech is where he's like, 01:23:03.400 --> 01:23:06.400 you know, I love my love my liberal friends and I'm not a liberal 01:23:06.400 --> 01:23:06.700 look at me. 01:23:06.700 --> 01:23:07.700 I'm cutting Social Security. 01:23:07.700 --> 01:23:10.000 I'm like, I'm working Republicans on the crime bill. 01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:10.400 I'll do it. 01:23:10.400 --> 01:23:10.800 You know, right. 01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:13.400 So what the point is is that I actually think that what this 01:23:13.400 --> 01:23:19.500 is almost a synaptic brain level is that this is his reflux 01:23:19.500 --> 01:23:24.200 like this is when he doesn't have a chance to think through 01:23:24.200 --> 01:23:27.400 anything. He's like a punch punch left like Pontius how socialism 01:23:27.400 --> 01:23:30.000 like, I'm not for social political calculation there too. 01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:32.800 I think they're at a store to convince themselves that this 01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:35.300 is their their way to potentially out a win, 01:23:35.300 --> 01:23:37.100 Florida or cordless. 01:23:37.500 --> 01:23:38.900 No voters. Of course. 01:23:38.900 --> 01:23:42.300 The problem with Dad is a calculus is that Bernie Sanders? 01:23:42.300 --> 01:23:47.000 The self-described Socialist was Far and Away the most popular 01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:49.800 candidate among Latinos in the Democratic primary. 01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:54.200 So the whole idea that like you have to be kind of explicitly 01:23:54.200 --> 01:23:59.700 asshole Ashley antes at anti-socialist in order to get Latinos 01:23:59.700 --> 01:24:00.800 just to support your cannabis. 01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:05.000 He just isn't born out by anything but I but my my point on 01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:09.000 all this is is that we should definitely if I didn't win expect 01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:12.900 this kind of thing to continue and and I want to be clear I'm 01:24:12.900 --> 01:24:16.400 not saying that that means people shouldn't vote for him in the 01:24:16.400 --> 01:24:20.100 election or that it means that when he's president, 01:24:20.100 --> 01:24:23.400 you know, there's no chance for progress It's just something 01:24:23.400 --> 01:24:29.100 to kind of know right as soon as you're engaging in politics 01:24:29.100 --> 01:24:30.200 activism in the light. 01:24:30.200 --> 01:24:32.900 Is it look here's this guy who's going to rhetorically 01:24:32.900 --> 01:24:37.200 juxtaposed himself against this this 01:24:37.700 --> 01:24:39.400 Thing called socialism. 01:24:39.400 --> 01:24:40.300 However, he to find it. 01:24:40.300 --> 01:24:43.900 However Justified and that's going to be part of the political 01:24:43.900 --> 01:24:46.400 parameters if he wins office. 01:24:46.400 --> 01:24:48.500 It just it's something that's going to have to be navigated 01:24:48.500 --> 01:24:50.300 in the danger. 01:24:50.300 --> 01:24:52.300 Actually that he won't do that rhetorically, 01:24:52.300 --> 01:24:56.100 but he'll do that on a policy level like we'll have austerity 01:24:56.100 --> 01:24:59.500 but he may not need to be may still come punch left rhetorically, 01:24:59.500 --> 01:25:00.800 but even if he doesn't do that, 01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:03.000 he's going to impose Authority book. 01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:10.100 Here's the thing genda next Democratic President Bush's forward a 01:25:10.100 --> 01:25:12.200 new deal and continues to say publicly. 01:25:12.200 --> 01:25:13.600 Say I hate socialism. 01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:16.400 You know, what whatever. 01:25:16.400 --> 01:25:17.800 Do you know fine? 01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:21.500 Yes. The ultimate fear is that did Joe Biden is not just going 01:25:21.500 --> 01:25:25.100 to behave like that in in word that he's actually going to behave 01:25:25.100 --> 01:25:29.000 as a left puncher indeed and M M my fear. 01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:33.000 The thing that keeps me up at night is first of trump winning 01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:34.900 is a horrifying I get a butt. 01:25:35.400 --> 01:25:41.600 If if if there is another repeat of 2009 and 2010 in this country, 01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:45.500 which the way I see it is Obama gets in there during the financial 01:25:45.500 --> 01:25:49.600 crisis running a very popular as a running extremely popular 01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:52.000 Progressive campaign Mountain track down a Wall Street where 01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:55.000 they do all the stuff gets in there and what he essentially 01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:59.000 does in his first two years is protect Wall Street and and and 01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:03.700 essential prop up the existing Healthcare System and the existing 01:26:03.700 --> 01:26:07.500 Financial system. Okay, that is directly correlated. 01:26:07.500 --> 01:26:12.400 I think with people getting pissed off and moving up to the Tea 01:26:12.400 --> 01:26:14.800 Party and ultimately moving to Trump and Mike the thing that 01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:17.200 keeps me up at night is it and I put it this way. 01:26:17.200 --> 01:26:21.500 If one of your not assuming it's 2021 and 2022. 01:26:22.400 --> 01:26:24.300 Are 2009 and 2010? 01:26:24.300 --> 01:26:25.700 Hey one was go back to sleep. 01:26:25.700 --> 01:26:27.300 You know that like everyone to go to brunch. 01:26:27.300 --> 01:26:32.300 Now. The Democrats want we can all disengage then 2024 is going to 01:26:32.300 --> 01:26:36.800 be way worse than 2016 with a much smarter fascist and end 01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:39.000 that so it's not worth it buying doesn't deliver. 01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:43.500 Like it's really really really a scary kind of situation. 01:26:43.500 --> 01:26:47.100 We're going to be do you think that just called Advocate 01:26:47.100 --> 01:26:50.100 and I and I mean devil because I am not a fan of the 01:26:50.100 --> 01:26:54.200 cuban-american lobby, but could you make the argument that to 01:26:54.200 --> 01:26:55.800 win Florida? He does have to do that, 01:26:55.800 --> 01:26:59.800 even though overwhelmingly let you know supported Sanders 01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:02.000 or I mean I just I just think about it this way, 01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:04.900 which is you know, I'm I'm I'm no great fan of Barack Obama, 01:27:04.900 --> 01:27:05.500 right? I mean 01:27:06.500 --> 01:27:11.400 I don't think Obama if he was in the same situation would ever 01:27:11.400 --> 01:27:15.100 be out there bashing socialism kind of explicitly am I pointing 01:27:15.100 --> 01:27:18.400 only bring that up is it there's a way to finesse these question 01:27:18.400 --> 01:27:23.100 where you're not being a dick right where you're not like actively 01:27:23.100 --> 01:27:31.400 kicking the left up dare. 01:27:31.400 --> 01:27:35.200 You consider not voting for jovial voting third-party. 01:27:35.200 --> 01:27:38.300 You left me, you know, you know horrible people right? 01:27:38.300 --> 01:27:48.100 And then it's like turn around to my point is only that like 01:27:48.100 --> 01:27:52.200 Obama how much more talented politician would figure out like 01:27:52.200 --> 01:27:54.100 look I can ask for socials and question. 01:27:54.100 --> 01:27:58.900 I've got some ways to answer this that both like like say what 01:27:58.900 --> 01:28:02.400 I want to say like, hey, I'm not like Che Guevara but also say 01:28:02.400 --> 01:28:05.700 like I'm not going to like stomp explicitly. 01:28:06.500 --> 01:28:11.400 Honda Accord part of the democratic base that's not worth tell me 01:28:11.400 --> 01:28:12.700 that I need to turn out the vote for me. 01:28:12.700 --> 01:28:16.000 If I only have been keeping American he could have responded 01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:19.100 with fat listen to vote for Trump. 01:28:19.100 --> 01:28:22.600 But yeah, just to go back to what you were talking about for 01:28:22.600 --> 01:28:23.200 a minute ago. 01:28:23.200 --> 01:28:26.900 What is the Democratic party Direction look like the world 01:28:26.900 --> 01:28:29.900 doesn't exist in the can't run against him every day because 01:28:29.900 --> 01:28:31.900 it's kind of the same as yours. 01:28:31.900 --> 01:28:37.000 They're going to keep doing the same dumb shit and the next 01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:42.100 person going to be worried that the next guy is going to isn't 01:28:42.100 --> 01:28:45.000 going to be that stupid because he has been like if they if they 01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:50.700 see their populace argument to him and what effects that isn't 01:28:50.700 --> 01:28:52.300 possible way, you know, right. 01:28:52.300 --> 01:28:52.900 I mean look, 01:28:54.000 --> 01:28:55.700 That's the thing. 01:28:55.700 --> 01:28:59.500 I'm I fear right when you look at somebody like Tom Cotton 01:28:59.500 --> 01:29:07.600 or Josh Hawley or those those are good point right meet. 01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:12.300 Those people are I'll put it this way less buffoonish 01:29:12.300 --> 01:29:15.300 than Donald Trump arguably. 01:29:15.300 --> 01:29:21.800 They are more politically Savvy and Donald Trump and and therefore 01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:25.200 they are a lot scarier in that. 01:29:25.200 --> 01:29:29.900 They will be harder to demonize for their kind of day today 01:29:29.900 --> 01:29:35.500 Antics and behavior and I don't think the party has thought 01:29:35.500 --> 01:29:38.700 all that much Party leaders have thought all that much about 01:29:38.700 --> 01:29:41.500 it. I think looked at the tragedy. 01:29:42.400 --> 01:29:46.500 Of the current election, which people have said in all sorts 01:29:46.500 --> 01:29:50.800 of different ways is that is sensually Donald Trump is probably 01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:54.900 the most beatable incumbent Republican president that we've 01:29:54.900 --> 01:29:57.100 ever seen it in our in our lifetimes. 01:29:57.100 --> 01:29:59.100 I I don't think there's there's ever been one. 01:29:59.100 --> 01:30:02.100 That's more more beautiful because of his behavior because of 01:30:02.100 --> 01:30:07.700 his sort of out-of-control antics and the party is ultimately 01:30:07.700 --> 01:30:13.000 used that opportunity to put up Joe Biden and Joe Biden being 01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:16.000 the most charitable way to describe him. 01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:22.200 As you know, sort of a standard-issue caretaker style Democrats 01:30:22.200 --> 01:30:33.100 use the opportunity to put in nominate Amor FDR Style candy. 01:30:42.400 --> 01:30:46.400 The party use this opportunity against the weakest Republican 01:30:46.400 --> 01:30:54.100 president to put up Joe Biden even in God willing Trump has defeated 01:30:54.100 --> 01:30:58.700 moving forward. It goes from something to mourn to something 01:30:58.700 --> 01:31:03.200 to be terrified by because of you think that another version 01:31:03.200 --> 01:31:06.700 of Joe Biden Whatever It Is by himself or somebody else that 01:31:06.700 --> 01:31:12.800 kind of politician is equipped an adequate to de-seed a much 01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:20.300 smarter much shrewder much less a flamboyant Trump style fascist, 01:31:20.300 --> 01:31:25.200 essentially then I think we're in that that that's a huge mistake. 01:31:25.200 --> 01:31:33.200 It's going to require in 4 years actually delivering or materially 01:31:33.200 --> 01:31:36.400 improving the lives of Americans in a way that the Democratic 01:31:36.400 --> 01:31:40.600 party really hasn't done a since you know, 01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:42.000 40 50 60 01:31:42.400 --> 01:31:44.400 Yes, I know. 01:31:44.400 --> 01:31:45.500 I can already hear like, you know, 01:31:45.500 --> 01:31:46.400 the Obama folks out there. 01:31:46.400 --> 01:31:49.000 They know we can we talk about the Democratic party to materially 01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:50.700 improve people's lives. 01:31:50.700 --> 01:31:55.200 Like the economy was decent or better than it was under Obama 01:31:55.200 --> 01:31:57.900 or the economy is better than it had been under Clinton and it 01:31:57.900 --> 01:32:01.300 was under you know, George HW Bush so is but but that are humans 01:32:01.300 --> 01:32:04.000 really without taking away some of the accomplishments 01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:06.300 of depend a lot of your sister talking too. 01:32:06.300 --> 01:32:07.200 By the way. 01:32:07.200 --> 01:32:10.200 That's the business cycle right like the last two democratic 01:32:10.200 --> 01:32:13.600 presidents of essentially relied on the business cycle to you 01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:14.400 know, sort of 01:32:15.500 --> 01:32:19.500 Improve the macroeconomy while the micro-economy has has not 01:32:19.500 --> 01:32:20.300 improved has gotten worse. 01:32:20.300 --> 01:32:24.800 So what it means is I think to prevent the kind of nightmare 01:32:24.800 --> 01:32:29.200 that were talking about Matt is like this party with Joe Biden 01:32:29.200 --> 01:32:32.900 is the president is going to have to deliver in a way that the 01:32:32.900 --> 01:32:36.900 party has not delivered in decades and decades and decades 01:32:36.900 --> 01:32:40.700 without sounding so fatalistic about it. 01:32:40.700 --> 01:32:46.700 What I I think one thing that there is a reason to Hope is 01:32:46.700 --> 01:32:52.400 that Biden is not exactly a what I would call a conviction 01:32:52.400 --> 01:32:56.700 politician. So he is much more a thumb in the wind machine 01:32:56.700 --> 01:33:02.200 style politician. So I definitely can see that he has his innate 01:33:02.200 --> 01:33:06.500 political reflexes are to side with kind of the establishment 01:33:06.500 --> 01:33:09.200 that juxtaposes itself against the base of the party. 01:33:09.200 --> 01:33:11.600 But I also think competing with that is he's like look, 01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:14.600 I just like want to do I want to I want to be known 01:33:14.600 --> 01:33:15.300 as a great present. 01:33:15.400 --> 01:33:19.400 I want to like reflect the disorder dynamics that are out there 01:33:19.400 --> 01:33:22.900 right now and if he gets enough pressure and that pressure 01:33:22.900 --> 01:33:23.700 is like listen to you. 01:33:23.700 --> 01:33:26.800 We will credit you you'll be the Great Hero you you can beat 01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:28.700 Superman president ever. 01:33:28.700 --> 01:33:31.900 If you do these things, like I think that's the challenge 01:33:31.900 --> 01:33:36.300 among down-ballot Democrats to get in state legislatures 01:33:36.300 --> 01:33:39.600 among activists. Aman organizers at Hmong advocacy groups 01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:42.700 is to actually force him to do what needs to be done. 01:33:42.700 --> 01:33:44.400 And then when he does it be like, 01:33:44.400 --> 01:33:46.200 hey, dude, you're the greatest amazing. 01:33:46.200 --> 01:33:48.100 Like even though you you're not really amazing. 01:33:48.100 --> 01:33:49.100 But thank you to be amazing. 01:33:49.100 --> 01:33:52.200 You can be the hero by you that they're like, 01:33:52.200 --> 01:33:56.800 what are the political pain for booster pressure points from 01:33:56.800 --> 01:34:00.300 both liked from us as you know from people who aren't in power 01:34:00.300 --> 01:34:02.400 and then people who are in power so, 01:34:02.400 --> 01:34:06.100 you know first hundred days for 6 months, 01:34:06.100 --> 01:34:07.000 whatever you want to call it. 01:34:07.900 --> 01:34:12.700 The Democrats should be like Bernie Sanders should be saying 01:34:12.700 --> 01:34:16.700 okay Joe you may not have campaigned on X Y and Z issue like 01:34:16.700 --> 01:34:19.400 publicly like rhetorically, but they're on your like website 01:34:19.400 --> 01:34:20.200 and you promised them. So 01:34:20.200 --> 01:34:21.300 now you're going to do them, 01:34:21.300 --> 01:34:24.700 right like like you promised the public option you never talk about 01:34:24.700 --> 01:34:27.900 it because for whatever reason but like we're doing a public 01:34:27.900 --> 01:34:30.100 option. Like that's the first that's one of the first things to 01:34:30.100 --> 01:34:32.700 do with like $15 minimum wage when the first things are doing, 01:34:32.700 --> 01:34:36.800 they could even be a sort of more Hardball about it and say let's 01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:41.000 look at all the things that Biden has said he supports in spirit 01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:45.200 or in letter that are also power moves for our Coalition 01:34:45.200 --> 01:34:50.000 example of a labor law reform which strengthens the labor movement 01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:54.800 which adds more union members which is essentially tends to be 01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:57.700 good for Democrats in winning elections Oaks, 01:34:57.700 --> 01:35:02.100 you know, the card check legislation adding DC as a state to add 01:35:02.100 --> 01:35:06.400 two more Senators likely Democratic senators to the Senate 01:35:06.400 --> 01:35:07.100 stuff like that. 01:35:07.100 --> 01:35:12.400 That's true. Good good on policy but also fortifies the strength 01:35:12.400 --> 01:35:15.600 of the party to go to Biden and say listen, 01:35:15.600 --> 01:35:19.600 you know, you don't get to decide what's coming through a democratic 01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:24.100 Congress. We're going to actually use our power hopefully 01:35:24.100 --> 01:35:27.200 to take back the Senate to actually take your agenda that you 01:35:27.200 --> 01:35:28.800 campaigned on and put it on your desk. 01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:32.200 I think that you know what this whole idea that like, 01:35:32.200 --> 01:35:35.600 you know, the Elizabeth Warren to the Bernie Sanders are the 01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:39.200 progressive members of the House who are now a chair people 01:35:39.200 --> 01:35:43.200 of house committees have to wait around and like that make sure 01:35:43.200 --> 01:35:45.700 Biden is okay with something like their him to be so something 01:35:45.700 --> 01:35:48.900 like that car check on that guy's desk in the first 2 weeks 01:35:48.900 --> 01:35:49.800 and say yet waiting. 01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:52.400 Is it going to be so it is going to first thing you're going 01:35:52.400 --> 01:35:54.000 to do is be till Labor Law reform. 01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:55.900 That's so that's the kind of thing. 01:35:55.900 --> 01:35:59.800 And so that's what's the point of what should happen in Congress. 01:35:59.800 --> 01:36:03.600 But like that's what should be organized around immediately 01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:06.500 after the election there shouldn't be like a hey, 01:36:06.500 --> 01:36:07.500 you know, he just 01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:11.000 Selective looks like giving me time to Breathe by Christopher 01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:14.500 to have you don't want to defer to Joe Biden deferring 01:36:14.500 --> 01:36:17.800 to Joe Biden gets you like a maybe we should meet the Republicans 01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:19.600 on a grand strategy on, you know, 01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:21.700 reducing the the budget deficit by cutting. 01:36:21.700 --> 01:36:25.000 So she like you don't want the Congress essentially is going to 01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:27.900 have to be a lot more active and the good news on that 01:36:27.900 --> 01:36:31.200 last thing I'll say on that is it individual members of Congress 01:36:31.200 --> 01:36:35.800 are arguably much more persuadable among the rank-and-file 01:36:35.800 --> 01:36:39.000 voters in their home districts in their states, 01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:42.500 then perhaps it is to push a president all the way up in the 01:36:42.500 --> 01:36:43.000 white house, right? 01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:45.200 If your house member happens to be, 01:36:45.200 --> 01:36:48.100 you know, subcommittee chairman of Albuquerque committee 01:36:48.100 --> 01:36:50.400 or your Senator is on, you know, 01:36:50.400 --> 01:36:52.900 the tax-writing committee or the or whatever committee 01:36:52.900 --> 01:36:57.900 like that actually gives a relatively small number of Voters 01:36:57.900 --> 01:37:01.000 are comparatively small number of an ability to actually 01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:04.500 move those people and I'll give you one example is one fascinating 01:37:04.500 --> 01:37:07.400 example here and I'm working on this for another project. 01:37:08.400 --> 01:37:14.000 Matt you may remember this that that Blanche Lincoln who was 01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:17.300 basically a conservative Arkansas Democratic senator a very 01:37:17.300 --> 01:37:20.500 Finance friendly all of a sudden during Wall Street reform 01:37:20.500 --> 01:37:24.100 in 2010. She faced a primary challenge back in Arkansas 01:37:24.100 --> 01:37:24.900 and all the sudden. 01:37:24.900 --> 01:37:29.700 She was like, I'm going to leave the charge for serious a derivative 01:37:29.700 --> 01:37:33.700 like a Crackdown on Wall Street and getting gutted because 01:37:33.700 --> 01:37:36.100 you know, she was she won her primary and then she kind of backed 01:37:36.100 --> 01:37:39.700 off in a Gothic but the point is is that all it took was 01:37:39.700 --> 01:37:45.800 like one primary against one incumbent Senator to get a senator 01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:49.100 who is Chairman a chairperson of a key committee to actually 01:37:49.100 --> 01:37:53.100 put legislation in and push it in her in a real way. 01:37:53.100 --> 01:37:55.600 So the point is if that happened I imagine it happening 01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:58.600 in 10 10 states are 20 congressional districts. 01:37:58.600 --> 01:38:04.400 Like that's how this is going to have to go down inside a campaign 01:38:04.400 --> 01:38:07.800 this year and there been lots and lots of surprises electoral 01:38:07.800 --> 01:38:14.000 e How reliable is polling and every Everybody basically 01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:18.800 has Biden running away with this now how much people believe 01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:20.000 that and do what you think is going to happen. 01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:24.300 So I'm pulling I mean polling is not I Tennessee polling 01:38:24.300 --> 01:38:29.200 is like General Trends and if you're within three four five 01:38:29.200 --> 01:38:30.800 points sort of all bets are off. 01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:33.900 If you start getting above 345 points, 01:38:33.900 --> 01:38:37.900 you're really representing like an actual an actual Trend or something. 01:38:37.900 --> 01:38:39.000 That's that's real. 01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:40.900 Right? So that's one thing to keep in mind. 01:38:40.900 --> 01:38:42.800 Another thing to keep in mind is it? 01:38:43.700 --> 01:38:49.300 The perception of whether a candidate is going to win or there's 01:38:49.300 --> 01:38:51.000 one of those a lot of holes ask this question. 01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:56.300 Like who you think is going to win those actually can foreshadow 01:38:56.300 --> 01:39:00.000 or illustrate momentum, right? 01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:03.700 It's like doing well baguettes doing well, 01:39:03.700 --> 01:39:08.400 right. So you have a good week had a bad week. 01:39:08.400 --> 01:39:11.600 This is good for you know by moves up in the polls sort of 01:39:11.600 --> 01:39:13.000 yes. I'm going to go for about on the yes, 01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:16.200 no question. And then like I think he's going to win like that 01:39:16.200 --> 01:39:18.300 begets a kill don't like to vote for fork. 01:39:18.300 --> 01:39:22.900 And I think we're going to lose right wrote that is an important 01:39:22.900 --> 01:39:26.800 thing to to look at and those those Trends are are in the right 01:39:26.800 --> 01:39:28.500 direction for Biden. 01:39:28.500 --> 01:39:33.900 But but it also goes to say that like ultimately this is a turnout 01:39:33.900 --> 01:39:36.800 game and like, you know, the Republican that's why the Republicans are 01:39:36.800 --> 01:39:38.700 trying to finagle to turn out with your voter suppression 01:39:38.700 --> 01:39:40.600 is essentially trying to suppress turn out right? 01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:42.700 So so they know 01:39:43.700 --> 01:39:46.900 They're going to be able to turn out their base and the variable 01:39:46.900 --> 01:39:50.600 typically in presidential elections and how much the Democrats 01:39:50.600 --> 01:39:54.500 turn out like the Republicans don't have haven't really had as 01:39:54.500 --> 01:39:59.100 much variability in turn out as whether Democratic voters 01:39:59.100 --> 01:40:00.100 are going to turn out. 01:40:00.100 --> 01:40:03.800 And so that is ultimately the key question and you know as much 01:40:03.800 --> 01:40:08.300 as I feel like people are super tuned into this election, 01:40:08.300 --> 01:40:10.200 you know, like everybody's tuned in. 01:40:10.200 --> 01:40:14.000 You know, that that's a real phenomenon people are tuned in and 01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:18.100 and you know, there's the two x factors are how many people 01:40:18.100 --> 01:40:19.000 are like, I hate them both. 01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:19.600 I'm not voting. 01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:22.600 You know, I don't think it's that I don't think it's like it was 01:40:22.600 --> 01:40:27.200 in 2016 where I think that was more of a sizable situation, 01:40:27.200 --> 01:40:28.500 but then I also think there's like, 01:40:28.500 --> 01:40:30.700 you know, how much are the Republicans really going to be able 01:40:30.700 --> 01:40:32.100 to like mess with the boat? 01:40:32.100 --> 01:40:33.400 I think that's a real thing like 01:40:34.200 --> 01:40:37.100 It's hard to know in the end the thing and end the thing to remember 01:40:37.100 --> 01:40:41.000 is they only have to mess with the vote successfully 01:40:41.000 --> 01:40:44.000 potentially in like a few States, right? 01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:45.900 They're going to be like they're messing with the boat all over 01:40:45.900 --> 01:40:49.800 the place. Right if they like it effectively mess with the vote 01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:56.300 in like, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, right like 01:40:57.300 --> 01:41:01.500 That that's not a ton of messing with in order to to get a 01:41:01.500 --> 01:41:03.400 result that you want David. 01:41:03.400 --> 01:41:04.600 Thank you so much for coming on. 01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:05.500 Thank you both. 01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:12.100 All right. That was great to see you next week and make sure 01:41:12.100 --> 01:41:13.600 you order a month. 01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:15.500 Look at this guy's look you see this right here. 01:41:15.500 --> 01:41:17.600 This beautiful mugs would be yours. 01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:18.700 All right. See you next week.