WEBVTT 00:00:03.100 --> 00:00:15.800 Open to look what I got. 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:17.300 I got my useful idiots mug. 00:00:17.300 --> 00:00:22.000 Nice people can order do we have for the fruit food group. 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:24.100 So we have four Democrats suck this week. 00:00:24.100 --> 00:00:30.400 I'll get into it with the with the convention, 00:00:30.400 --> 00:00:35.200 but I wanted to give a shout out to the Dems of Massachusetts. 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:39.000 And also it's a nice call back to our are really interesting 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:43.900 interview. I think with with Alan and everyone to check that 00:00:43.900 --> 00:00:47.300 out. If anyone for whatever reason missed it really really 00:00:47.300 --> 00:00:50.900 really great. I think interview really important story without 00:00:50.900 --> 00:00:52.100 Smarties running for congress. 00:00:52.100 --> 00:00:56.100 So it seems like it was suspicious right? 00:00:56.100 --> 00:01:00.600 We it seem like a setup I think to us it seems like you 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:04.300 know, there is a much bigger of much be Deal with being made 00:01:04.300 --> 00:01:06.800 out of of of what actually happened. 00:01:06.800 --> 00:01:12.600 So Morse again was disinvited from Massachusetts young Dems 00:01:12.600 --> 00:01:17.700 events, because according to a letter that was posted at UMass 00:01:17.700 --> 00:01:20.700 Amherst newspaper the Collegian the daily Collegian, 00:01:20.700 --> 00:01:23.500 I believe it's called this letter kind of wasn't open letter 00:01:23.500 --> 00:01:31.000 that condemned Morse for allegedly using his power to meet and 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:35.200 date and have sex with students also said that he went to Massachusetts 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:38.700 Dems meetings to meet students. 00:01:38.700 --> 00:01:42.700 I'm turned out of course, he's been to one of those said he engaged 00:01:42.700 --> 00:01:47.500 in and stuff online that was understood by young people to be 00:01:47.500 --> 00:01:51.200 intimate with that. 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:55.600 You can pay him and see I think we can work and he said 00:01:55.600 --> 00:01:59.300 at the time he was very clear that he had not violated any of 00:01:59.300 --> 00:02:02.900 UMass Amherst guidelines, you know, he's never date. 00:02:03.100 --> 00:02:05.700 Did a student and to be clear also, 00:02:05.700 --> 00:02:07.100 he was an adjunct. 00:02:07.100 --> 00:02:11.600 He taught one class per semester and you never dated one of his 00:02:11.600 --> 00:02:18.800 students. So it turns out that the people behind this the people 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:23.300 behind this letter and this kind of cause and movement included 00:02:23.300 --> 00:02:25.900 someone who was a student of Niels. 00:02:25.900 --> 00:02:29.700 And again Neil is the incumbent congressman who is trying 00:02:29.700 --> 00:02:34.600 to unseat was a student of meals and there was someone else 00:02:34.600 --> 00:02:43.500 on the Massachusetts young Dems who they conspired to to get 00:02:43.500 --> 00:02:46.700 Morrison trouble. So here's what happened. 00:02:46.700 --> 00:02:48.800 I'm reading at The Intercept in The Intercept has done really 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:50.800 the best reporting on this. 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:55.000 So we eating from their article College Democrat chats reveal 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:59.700 your old plan to engineer and leek Alex Mark Morris accusations. 00:02:59.700 --> 00:03:02.600 This will sink his campaign predicted a college Democrat 00:03:02.600 --> 00:03:05.200 leader. hoping to work for rep Richard Neal 00:03:06.200 --> 00:03:12.700 So what happened was the following on October 5th Morris attended a 00:03:12.700 --> 00:03:16.100 college Democrats event at a local community college Neil 00:03:16.100 --> 00:03:21.200 also appeared and was introduced by Venus Venus or Ennis. 00:03:21.200 --> 00:03:23.900 I'm not sure how would you pronounce it who was at the time 00:03:23.900 --> 00:03:27.500 enrolled in a journalism class Neil talked at UMass Amherst 00:03:27.500 --> 00:03:32.400 meal later told and if he was impressed by the event and its 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:36.900 claims in the chats more sat on a panel with Abramson after 00:03:36.900 --> 00:03:40.900 the event Morse reached out to Abramson on Instagram to say it 00:03:40.900 --> 00:03:43.500 was a pleasure meeting you at previously matched on Tinder 00:03:43.500 --> 00:03:48.200 and it said in the chat, but I'd never met up and then it 00:03:48.200 --> 00:03:51.300 says to match on Tinder means both parties must wipe in the same 00:03:51.300 --> 00:03:52.700 direction or to begin a conversation. 00:03:52.700 --> 00:03:58.300 Okay. So here are these here are these interesting screenshots? 00:03:58.300 --> 00:04:01.800 Okay between Abramson and Ennis and again, 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:05.800 Ennis and Abramson our students. 00:04:06.300 --> 00:04:08.700 So here are the hero delete messages. 00:04:08.700 --> 00:04:11.200 So this is from Abramson. 00:04:11.200 --> 00:04:15.400 Again. Abramson is the student to communicated with with Morse. 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:21.300 And so I'm sending texts not over but it's very clear. 00:04:21.300 --> 00:04:26.100 He's not talking to me for no reason and then and then there's 00:04:26.100 --> 00:04:30.600 a screenshot of an exchange between Morrison Abramson and it says 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:34.000 thank you good to see you too. 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:39.400 And then more says has the rest of your weekend and then Abramson 00:04:39.400 --> 00:04:40.300 says pretty good. 00:04:40.300 --> 00:04:42.800 I went home last night to surprise my mom for her birthday 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:47.400 HBO, which is how about you and Maurice says, 00:04:47.400 --> 00:04:48.400 oh, that's nice. 00:04:48.400 --> 00:04:49.300 How was that? 00:04:49.300 --> 00:04:52.300 I had an event to go to last night to speak then had a 00:04:52.300 --> 00:04:54.300 wine tasting party at a friend's house. 00:04:54.300 --> 00:04:56.900 Now. I'm in North Adams about to march in the parade. 00:04:56.900 --> 00:05:03.000 OK and then abramson's comment on this exchange is like read 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:06.200 that message. Also don't mind me totally leading a 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.100 So that's the Smoking Gun. 00:05:10.100 --> 00:05:15.300 Apparently that that show that you was used to set up Morse 00:05:15.300 --> 00:05:22.100 as guilty of something and and then and it said this will sink 00:05:22.100 --> 00:05:30.900 his campaign. I mean you don't have that stuff like revealed. 00:05:30.900 --> 00:05:37.100 But but we have that we have the receipts and then on top of 00:05:37.100 --> 00:05:38.100 that it gets worse. 00:05:38.100 --> 00:05:44.000 So then we find out that the message that Massachusetts 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:46.700 dams were involved in this. 00:05:46.700 --> 00:05:51.700 Okay. So another article at the intercept this one is done by 00:05:51.700 --> 00:05:55.900 again Ryan Graham and Daniel boguslaw, which is a great last 00:05:55.900 --> 00:05:59.100 night also by and Higgins Owen Higgins how to pronounce 00:05:59.100 --> 00:06:02.000 and it's Massachusetts state party leader told College Democrats 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:04.200 to destroy communication records. 00:06:04.900 --> 00:06:09.100 Veronica Martinez at coordinated with the students prior to the 00:06:09.100 --> 00:06:11.900 release of allegations of sexual impropriety against Alex Morse. 00:06:11.900 --> 00:06:17.900 So the college Democrats of Massachusetts worked with senior 00:06:17.900 --> 00:06:22.100 members of the democratic party to create this letter to craft a 00:06:22.100 --> 00:06:25.500 sweater than they set up the college Dems with a lawyer 00:06:25.500 --> 00:06:32.200 to the whole thing is just incredibly corrupt and shows the Dems 00:06:32.200 --> 00:06:36.100 up to no good and trying to squash and Insurgent Progressive 00:06:36.100 --> 00:06:46.700 Insurgent candidate intended for any of this to come out or part 00:06:46.700 --> 00:06:52.400 of me does Wonder however if they were indifferent to whether 00:06:52.400 --> 00:06:56.800 or not it came out because rather than talking about anything 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:01.300 else heading into notice primary date at the very late stage 00:07:01.300 --> 00:07:03.800 of the campaign in Morse is still behind from what I understand. 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:04.400 It's like with these 00:07:04.900 --> 00:07:08.400 What's back my last Saw? 00:07:08.400 --> 00:07:15.400 Maybe, you know, it would be in the Karl Rove Playbook to take a 00:07:15.400 --> 00:07:18.600 superficial loss in order to shift the conversation 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:21.500 to whether to whether or not I mean, 00:07:21.500 --> 00:07:24.400 you wouldn't want to come out and say we set him up and fake 00:07:24.400 --> 00:07:27.700 this controversy, but you might not care whether it came out 00:07:27.700 --> 00:07:33.000 that way because either way people are talking about Alex Morris 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:38.200 having sex right college students supposed to Richard Mille 00:07:38.200 --> 00:07:43.900 taking money from Lockheed Martin in whatever whoever else so 00:07:43.900 --> 00:07:44.800 I don't know. 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:48.700 I mean look at it it certainly I'm glad for Alex you was really 00:07:48.700 --> 00:07:53.900 impressive on our show and and seems like he's an up-and-coming 00:07:53.900 --> 00:07:58.300 politician and certainly this thing was stupid enough that it 00:07:58.300 --> 00:08:04.300 it's not going to harm him long-term with his career. 00:08:04.900 --> 00:08:05.900 And that's great. 00:08:05.900 --> 00:08:08.200 But you know what? 00:08:08.200 --> 00:08:11.900 It is possible that end in the short-term is going to have that 00:08:11.900 --> 00:08:18.700 effect. So, you know, the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee 00:08:18.700 --> 00:08:22.800 has pretty much always going to be the leading recipient of 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:29.400 no matter no matter who is committing. 00:08:29.400 --> 00:08:31.600 So he's been there forever. 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:39.800 He's kind of a classic version of Perpetual unchallenged 00:08:39.800 --> 00:08:43.500 incumbent. So, you know, we'll see. 00:08:43.500 --> 00:08:46.100 I mean, it's it's it's remarkable that Maurice is even as close 00:08:46.100 --> 00:08:49.700 as he is because normally that's that's that's exactly the kind 00:08:49.700 --> 00:08:54.600 of figure who doesn't get a primary challenge is a powerful 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.900 committee chair from the state that you know that has a history 00:08:57.900 --> 00:09:01.100 of supporting Democrats, but you know, he's just must not have 00:09:01.100 --> 00:09:03.900 done enough for that for the district you with all that power 00:09:03.900 --> 00:09:04.300 lyrics 00:09:04.900 --> 00:09:07.900 Usually if you take somebody like Chuck Schumer, 00:09:07.900 --> 00:09:14.200 right or you know, Jerry Nadler or he's very very powerful 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:19.100 people who are plugged in to read the regulation of what's 00:09:19.100 --> 00:09:19.900 a Wall Street. 00:09:19.900 --> 00:09:23.000 They make sure that that those companies do well because 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:25.900 it helps their districts and it helps their states and it's 00:09:25.900 --> 00:09:28.700 not clear that that's what's going on with with Neal. 00:09:28.700 --> 00:09:31.900 So maybe that's that's why this opening has been created. 00:09:31.900 --> 00:09:40.500 He's not being effective in his shadow of the most powerful 00:09:40.500 --> 00:09:43.100 people in Congress, you shoot you should at least make sure 00:09:43.100 --> 00:09:46.600 that you're shoveling tons and tons of Port Huron district 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:53.300 and it doesn't sound like that's what has been done to your 00:09:53.300 --> 00:09:56.200 own State as opposed to a shell who just helped salute. 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:58.800 That's the way it usually works. 00:10:04.900 --> 00:10:06.900 Play the soundtrack to Republicans suck. 00:10:06.900 --> 00:10:11.900 I think we have to get into this whole Postal Service thing. 00:10:11.900 --> 00:10:17.700 So that people know where we stand on this I think as someone 00:10:17.700 --> 00:10:21.400 who I've been very resentful of not resentful. 00:10:21.400 --> 00:10:25.400 I think I've been frustrated for for most of the last four years 00:10:25.400 --> 00:10:29.000 because for all the things that Trump does an app on the policy 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:33.300 from it's it's almost impossible to tell at this point, 00:10:33.300 --> 00:10:38.600 whether what he's doing is incredibly serious or not because 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:42.200 the the Press reaction is basically identical in every case. 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:48.000 So within a day or two of the coverage it goes straight 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:51.000 to you know, the Holocaust or the reichstag or whatever 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:54.900 it is and he's you know, you have people being quoted about 00:10:54.900 --> 00:10:57.500 what he's our what crimes he's already committed and what what 00:10:57.500 --> 00:11:01.900 prosecution things you should already be prosecuted for and that's 00:11:01.900 --> 00:11:02.100 open. 00:11:04.900 --> 00:11:16.200 Play and you know and so it's like a boy who cried wolf play 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:18.900 the tape of trump explaining. 00:11:18.900 --> 00:11:21.400 I think this is the most damning thing that happened is Trump 00:11:21.400 --> 00:11:25.800 trump talking about his attitude towards funding the post office 00:11:25.800 --> 00:11:31.200 and he did this over a series of appearances last week 31 25 billion 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:36.900 for the post office at what 2.5 or 3.5 billion dollars to Universal 00:11:36.900 --> 00:11:40.700 mailing 3.5 billion and then I'm going to do 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:44.500 Adele that's good for the American people. 00:11:44.500 --> 00:11:47.100 They're four. They're not going to get the 3.5 billion. 00:11:47.100 --> 00:11:52.700 Therefore. They can't do the universal mail-in vote. 00:11:52.700 --> 00:11:55.400 Are they going to do it? 00:11:55.400 --> 00:11:56.600 And then I have the money to do it. 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:00.200 He's a little confused because there's an additional 3.5 billion 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:05.600 dollar thing and in this proposed package that's 404 variety 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:08.200 of things like Electro security, but whatever especially 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:12.700 what he saying he said this repeatedly is I don't want to fund the 00:12:12.700 --> 00:12:16.900 post office because he doesn't want the universal mail-in 00:12:16.900 --> 00:12:18.000 voting program to happen. 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.300 And why does that matter because well for a couple reasons 00:12:22.300 --> 00:12:26.400 one is that we're in a pandemic and you know, 00:12:26.400 --> 00:12:28.700 shuja numbers of people probably for the first time working 00:12:28.700 --> 00:12:32.100 or going to vote by mail and there is a massive discrepancy 00:12:32.100 --> 00:12:36.900 between who is more likely to vote by mail between Republicans and 00:12:36.900 --> 00:12:41.400 Democrats. I think the last poll I saw showed that as many as 00:12:41.400 --> 00:12:44.100 seventy Percent of Democrats said there were at least somewhat 00:12:44.100 --> 00:12:47.200 likely to / male. 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:52.300 Where is that number for Republicans is like 22% So conjunction 00:12:52.300 --> 00:12:57.400 with Trump's willingness to to send money additional money 00:12:57.400 --> 00:13:01.700 emergency money to the post office plus the fact that he recently 00:13:01.700 --> 00:13:05.800 nominated as Postmaster General or installed as Postmaster 00:13:05.800 --> 00:13:10.800 General Louis dejoy who is undertaken a series of actions 00:13:10.800 --> 00:13:18.000 including moving order decommissioning some mailboxes and shutting 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.700 down up to 20% of the mail sorting equipment within the mail 00:13:21.700 --> 00:13:27.000 processing centers and it's just hard to escape the logic of this 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:32.200 you take a shower if you slow down the post office and they've 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:36.600 already sent letters some of the states saying that some of these 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:40.000 ballots may not be delivered quickly enough to be counted. 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:41.400 You could easily make the argument 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:46.600 Undermining the post office again is going to make make it fewer 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:50.200 Democratic votes, which I think really it. 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:53.900 I think it is actually a pretty serious story. 00:13:53.900 --> 00:13:58.200 Now, there's definitely there's two things about this that that 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:02.600 because of the way we cover the news that are going to be left 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:05.900 out. Number one is that this is just these kinds of assaults 00:14:05.900 --> 00:14:10.700 on the post office have been going on for four decades now and 00:14:10.700 --> 00:14:15.700 the The Narrative that the post office is running out of money 00:14:15.700 --> 00:14:18.900 is financially insolvent that it can survive in the in the internet 00:14:18.900 --> 00:14:24.700 age that's been tossed out by people in both parties going 00:14:24.700 --> 00:14:29.400 on in almost 30 years now and it hasn't really been true and 00:14:29.400 --> 00:14:31.900 in one of the reasons, I know this is and you'll like this is 00:14:31.900 --> 00:14:35.900 because Bernie Sanders was one of the only politicians 00:14:35.900 --> 00:14:40.200 to complain about this dating back to the early 2000s. 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:41.600 They did a state 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:46.400 Play the series of moves way back in the bush years were designed 00:14:46.400 --> 00:14:51.100 the post office was thought to be in terrible Financial 00:14:51.100 --> 00:14:53.900 condition. And then when they actually did an analysis of it, 00:14:53.900 --> 00:14:58.000 they found that it was doing great that it was massively 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:00.700 overpaying into a retirement fund at the end. 00:15:00.700 --> 00:15:05.000 If they just ended ended that practice it would be pretty 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:08.200 quickly looking at a 70 billion dollar Surplus. 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:10.300 Some people think of might have been as much as a hundred 00:15:10.300 --> 00:15:11.500 billion that they were looking at. 00:15:11.500 --> 00:15:16.100 So a series of moves were made after that first. 00:15:16.100 --> 00:15:18.400 They made the post office employee. 00:15:18.400 --> 00:15:23.100 Is responsible for paying the pensions of all of its employees 00:15:23.100 --> 00:15:24.100 who had served in the military. 00:15:24.100 --> 00:15:26.900 So essentially they were making the post office subsidized 00:15:26.900 --> 00:15:32.100 the military which pretty much wiped out the the the overpayment 00:15:32.100 --> 00:15:36.100 right away and then they did this crazy thing in 2006. 00:15:36.100 --> 00:15:40.800 Were they made the post office fully fund 75 years of 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:47.400 Benefit payments for its employees and and no other government 00:15:47.400 --> 00:15:51.400 agencies had to do more than 30% So that costed about five and 00:15:51.400 --> 00:15:55.800 a half billion dollars a year, which really put the the post 00:15:55.800 --> 00:16:00.200 office in in a in a bind then they additionally they passed 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:02.800 measures that prevented the the post office from engaging 00:16:02.800 --> 00:16:05.600 in non-postal activities. 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:07.700 So if you go to like a Staples, 00:16:07.700 --> 00:16:09.600 right and you want to deliver a package, 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:12.700 it's usually like in a corner where there's a bunch of copy 00:16:12.700 --> 00:16:19.100 machines and there might be a notary that you can go to wrap 00:16:19.100 --> 00:16:20.300 packages for you. 00:16:20.300 --> 00:16:21.300 They'll do all this other stuff. 00:16:21.300 --> 00:16:24.900 The post office is actively prohibited from engaging in any of 00:16:24.900 --> 00:16:28.100 those activities because all these lobbyists from all these 00:16:28.100 --> 00:16:32.800 private delivery services didn't want the post office to compete 00:16:32.800 --> 00:16:37.000 additionally all the set of Wall Street back politicians 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:40.500 in both parties again didn't want the post office in Gage and 00:16:40.500 --> 00:16:41.100 banking services. 00:16:41.900 --> 00:16:45.900 Which would have cured all kinds of problems in really been a 00:16:45.900 --> 00:16:49.200 big thing that could have done after 2008 because people 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:53.400 work on it without Banking and it would have solved the access 00:16:53.400 --> 00:16:55.700 issue for a lot of people in poor communities etcetera etcetera 00:16:55.700 --> 00:16:58.900 and it would have helped the post office survive financially 00:16:58.900 --> 00:17:03.800 prevented that they started removing mailboxes. 00:17:03.800 --> 00:17:09.500 They they wanted to shut down as many as 15,000 post office 00:17:09.500 --> 00:17:12.900 post offices in 2012. 00:17:12.900 --> 00:17:17.100 You can look back and see New York Times editorials about that 00:17:17.100 --> 00:17:21.400 in favor of all this so there is back around here. 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.700 That's that this is just part of a a long-standing 00:17:24.700 --> 00:17:25.300 issue. 00:17:26.500 --> 00:17:27.700 This is worse. 00:17:27.700 --> 00:17:33.300 Obviously because Trump is is openly saying that he wants to be 00:17:33.300 --> 00:17:36.300 no cut off this money than the emergency money that the post 00:17:36.300 --> 00:17:37.800 office shouldn't need any way. 00:17:37.800 --> 00:17:43.800 But for all these other issues that have gone on but we're 00:17:43.800 --> 00:17:44.200 going to work. 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:46.600 We're not going to hear any of that background in front because 00:17:46.600 --> 00:17:49.600 all these people were suddenly professing to love the post office 00:17:49.600 --> 00:17:50.900 are going to leave that out. 00:17:50.900 --> 00:17:54.600 Then the other thing that happens is that immediately 00:17:54.600 --> 00:17:59.200 the story is is has turned his grown out of control and we got 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:03.600 into this all these crazy conspiratorial directions that you 00:18:03.600 --> 00:18:07.900 know that are are nuts like a damn if we can see the Jamie 00:18:07.900 --> 00:18:16.500 Lee Curtis tweet went like George Bush died in the center 00:18:16.500 --> 00:18:18.000 until being right. 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.200 This was under Bush that they made them pay for years of a sentence 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:24.500 ahead of time, but it was if you get bipartisan support, 00:18:24.500 --> 00:18:25.800 it was not like 00:18:26.500 --> 00:18:30.700 The terrible thing that was already trying to kind of privatized 00:18:30.700 --> 00:18:38.500 the mail system right about disenfranchised. 00:18:38.500 --> 00:18:42.700 This is kind of a new a new Twist on it. 00:18:42.700 --> 00:18:51.500 It's like an additional benefit we know of that's what drives me 00:18:51.500 --> 00:18:51.900 nuts about. 00:18:51.900 --> 00:18:54.600 This is that I would really like to know the answer to the question 00:18:54.600 --> 00:19:02.300 cuz I never thought about this before like actually do have 00:19:02.300 --> 00:19:06.500 a significant amount of power to affect election results 00:19:06.500 --> 00:19:09.100 because they can just get the Postmaster General the move a bunch 00:19:09.100 --> 00:19:12.300 of mailboxes from one place to another and how has that ever 00:19:12.300 --> 00:19:15.400 been done before like do we know we know that there were there 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.200 were lots and lots of mail boxes that were removed both both 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:20.300 in the bush years in the Obama years, 00:19:20.300 --> 00:19:23.900 you know, I'd like to know whether they were moved from one place 00:19:23.900 --> 00:19:26.300 to another way that they were moved entirely like a movie. 00:19:26.500 --> 00:19:39.300 So you're not going to find out so I can look into that kind 00:19:39.300 --> 00:19:44.500 of privatizing deregulating attempt to in a really Sinister 00:19:44.500 --> 00:19:48.300 way as if they cared at all about pensions for workers. 00:19:48.300 --> 00:19:50.300 The whole point is that they couldn't care less about it. 00:19:50.300 --> 00:19:57.500 So it's like really gross they actually didn't want cuz they 00:19:57.500 --> 00:20:00.600 see the obvious solution to the post office has problems 00:20:00.600 --> 00:20:06.600 was to just let it Payless in pension payments because it was 00:20:06.600 --> 00:20:09.300 over paying but they didn't want to do that because they didn't 00:20:09.300 --> 00:20:12.100 want an adverse impact on the federal budget and other words. 00:20:12.100 --> 00:20:15.700 They wanted to they wanted to pay the post office to overpay 00:20:15.700 --> 00:20:18.600 so they could use that the cover other holes in the budget. 00:20:18.600 --> 00:20:22.300 So they've been using the the the Panic at the post office 00:20:22.300 --> 00:20:23.300 has a piggy bank. 00:20:23.300 --> 00:20:25.500 They've been abusing this institution. 00:20:25.500 --> 00:20:26.400 There's all kinds. 00:20:26.500 --> 00:20:31.600 What corruption involving appointees and contractors 00:20:31.600 --> 00:20:32.400 have been ripping it off. 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:37.400 I mean, this is a really it's a great organization that's 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:40.100 has a great history in this country and it's been totally 00:20:40.100 --> 00:20:42.300 abused by people in both parties. 00:20:42.300 --> 00:20:46.400 It's just very frustrating knowing that I'm listening to the 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:51.300 burning people over the years complain about this to that suddenly 00:20:51.300 --> 00:20:54.600 now, everybody's pretending to be the friend of the post office. 00:20:54.600 --> 00:20:58.200 No, that's according to Marco's malesus and Jason Johnson 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:08.200 Ferry to the Island of Misfit black girls in reference 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:12.100 to briahna Joy gray, which actually did get him removed from 00:21:12.100 --> 00:21:13.800 MSNBC at least. 00:21:13.800 --> 00:21:19.900 Sometimes ya according to them Bernie Sanders actually responsible 00:21:19.900 --> 00:21:21.100 for this crisis. 00:21:21.800 --> 00:21:29.000 Did you see that they're in error about that as well? 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:35.600 Look date. It is true that during the during the Obama years 00:21:35.600 --> 00:21:40.900 the that Bernie's office tried to put put a block on a couple 00:21:40.900 --> 00:21:44.900 of of appointees to The Postal Board of Governors that they were 00:21:44.900 --> 00:21:49.300 both Republicans and I think we would both Johnson and Melissa's 00:21:49.300 --> 00:21:51.900 don't understand is that when Donald Trump became president 00:21:51.900 --> 00:21:56.000 he had the right to basically install all of his own people. 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:01.700 Anyway, yeah, whatever happened in 2012 is totally irrelevant. 00:22:01.700 --> 00:22:07.500 What's going on now Sanders, he did block a couple of Republican 00:22:07.500 --> 00:22:11.700 appointees, but he he know he is in fact he was 00:22:12.600 --> 00:22:15.200 Desperately trying to get people to pay attention to the fact 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:19.600 that there were openings like the the Senate wouldn't even schedule 00:22:19.600 --> 00:22:23.500 time to hear this issue or to go to get any of the new 00:22:23.500 --> 00:22:25.900 appointees through that's why they were vacancies on the postal 00:22:25.900 --> 00:22:27.400 break Governors for a long. Of 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:34.200 time. That's why he blocked them cuz they were going to vote 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:37.300 for privatizing and that's why you have to post a guard supporting 00:22:37.300 --> 00:22:42.700 Sanders opposition to them exactly supposed to these two guys 00:22:42.700 --> 00:22:51.300 and he blocked them and also the Obama years Barack Obama, 00:22:51.300 --> 00:22:55.700 like never mention the post office just never came up until 00:22:55.700 --> 00:22:56.600 he spoke about it. 00:22:56.600 --> 00:23:00.100 I think it at John Lewis's funeral bedroom with regards to the 00:23:00.100 --> 00:23:02.900 scanned and that's kind of a metaphor for this whole thing 00:23:02.900 --> 00:23:05.000 is that you're the post office is a great institution 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:09.400 that has been kind of ritualistically Shadow pot and it is now 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:12.400 suddenly everybody's pretending they're its best. 00:23:12.600 --> 00:23:14.600 But look this is this is a serious thing. 00:23:14.600 --> 00:23:15.400 That's not get it wrong. 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:21.000 But the thing that drives me crazy is that I think it is a 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:24.200 serious story and it's going to be ignored because it's already 00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:29.700 going to be success of places and you could see that that tweet 00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:32.500 there's a couple of things that stuff like this is already 00:23:32.500 --> 00:23:37.600 going on all over the Internet exactly. 00:23:37.600 --> 00:23:38.800 Where is Jamie Lee Curtis? 00:23:38.800 --> 00:23:41.300 I swear in broad daylight the driver of the of the red truck 00:23:41.300 --> 00:23:44.600 had a red cap on with white letters conspiracy outright 00:23:44.600 --> 00:23:47.800 attempted stealing the election by denying access of the USPS. 00:23:47.800 --> 00:23:49.300 Let's not let it happen. 00:23:49.300 --> 00:23:59.100 I mean with a postal truck on it and you know, 00:23:59.100 --> 00:24:02.700 she's making a conclusion and it's just a postal truck being 00:24:02.700 --> 00:24:04.400 towed somewhere. Like we don't know what that means. 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:08.600 Then there was another one, you know from Wisconsin Dan if we 00:24:08.600 --> 00:24:09.600 could see that one as well. 00:24:12.500 --> 00:24:20.000 Must be a Maga person like running around stealing postal 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:28.700 trucks. I mean if we could see this town is a photo taken in 00:24:28.700 --> 00:24:29.900 Wisconsin in this day. 00:24:29.900 --> 00:24:33.000 And again, it's this is happening right before our eyes or sabotaging 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:40.300 USPS all these you know, if it looks like mailboxes don't think 00:24:40.300 --> 00:24:43.400 stacks of bodies behind a fence right there all stacked in this 00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:47.500 yard and then it turns out that this is just this is a company 00:24:47.500 --> 00:24:51.300 that does that refurbishes mailboxes and this is just what it's 00:24:51.300 --> 00:24:54.300 a routine scene in the descendant of having to be debunked 00:24:54.300 --> 00:24:56.100 in fact-checking sites. 00:24:56.100 --> 00:25:00.100 So like this kind of stuff is going on already, 00:25:00.100 --> 00:25:01.300 like people are 00:25:02.300 --> 00:25:08.500 There is a real element to the story but their people are freaking 00:25:08.500 --> 00:25:12.000 out about things like mail boxes that are being moved or not 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.200 moved and they don't know whether that's a routine or not routine 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:20.100 or or what and because of that I think people are are are likely to 00:25:20.100 --> 00:25:20.500 tune out. 00:25:21.700 --> 00:25:24.700 Ironically, I think they're likely to tune out to the seriousness 00:25:24.700 --> 00:25:27.400 of the story because of stuff like this. 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:35.700 Maybe I don't know because this is this should be a scandal 00:25:35.700 --> 00:25:40.800 and again Ariana pocari who who resigned from MSNBC mentioned 00:25:40.800 --> 00:25:42.700 have this story receive less coverage. 00:25:42.700 --> 00:25:46.800 Then it should have given his seriousness and I tweeted that 00:25:46.800 --> 00:25:51.400 MSNBC should cover this as if it were as if involved Putin, 00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:58.200 which I think is a good rule of thumb but me about this now 00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:01.600 they are talking about a lot as they should because it really 00:26:01.600 --> 00:26:05.900 is terrible for many reasons talk about it is so simplistic 00:26:05.900 --> 00:26:10.300 like a I don't know a lot about the Post Office Lake, 00:26:10.300 --> 00:26:14.100 you know, what is the federal government's obligation 00:26:14.100 --> 00:26:15.000 to fund the post office. 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:16.300 Like I don't even know the answer to that question, 00:26:16.300 --> 00:26:17.100 right? So 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:23.000 What exactly is happening when Donald Trump says he's supposed 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:27.200 to funding the post office does heat is required to fund the 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:29.300 post office. I don't think I actually don't think so, 00:26:29.300 --> 00:26:35.800 but that doesn't mean that the intense is good but it might 00:26:35.800 --> 00:26:38.600 mean a slight legal difference and it's just we're not going to 00:26:38.600 --> 00:26:42.200 get that kind of analysis of what the Constitutional 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:46.300 obligations with the legal obligations are what proper and improper 00:26:46.300 --> 00:26:47.800 what the history of it is. 00:26:47.800 --> 00:26:53.100 Like, we just need to know all that stuff for me. 00:26:53.100 --> 00:26:55.900 This is similar to the kids in cages story, 00:26:55.900 --> 00:26:58.100 which was that which was also I thought it was a pretty serious 00:26:58.100 --> 00:27:03.500 story that that got lost in all this kind of overblown 00:27:03.500 --> 00:27:07.700 rhetoric pretty early and you know when it was finally when 00:27:07.700 --> 00:27:09.900 they back down and reverse, which is also what happened 00:27:09.900 --> 00:27:12.700 here, by the way, they stopped shutting down the machines and 00:27:12.700 --> 00:27:16.100 I stopped moving the mailboxes the story just kept going 00:27:16.100 --> 00:27:17.100 and I don't know. 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:20.000 But it's kind of coverage. 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:21.900 What should be done now. 00:27:23.100 --> 00:27:26.900 But I just think they should just go back to doing this the way 00:27:26.900 --> 00:27:31.200 you cuz this this is a technique has borrowed I think straight 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:35.000 from Fox News in a fox did this was Obama like everytime 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:40.900 Obama did anything they made it into a 10 alarm emergency 00:27:40.900 --> 00:27:44.300 and they were you know this in the salt in our democracy 00:27:44.300 --> 00:27:47.800 than is fascism blah blah and it became impossible. 00:27:47.800 --> 00:27:50.800 I think after a while for conservative audiences to really 00:27:50.800 --> 00:27:52.900 know what what was actually going on, 00:27:52.900 --> 00:27:57.600 you know, and then it and then we saw what happened with the 00:27:57.600 --> 00:28:01.100 conservative media landscape during those years that kind of split 00:28:01.100 --> 00:28:06.800 like the juicer National Review Republicans went off to one side 00:28:06.800 --> 00:28:11.800 and the Alex Jones types went off to the other and in that kind 00:28:11.800 --> 00:28:15.600 of going to end up being symbolize in what happened in 2016 00:28:15.600 --> 00:28:17.100 with the electorate. 00:28:17.100 --> 00:28:21.400 I think that's kind of going on with Democrats now like you have 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:22.800 to have some balance otherwise 00:28:23.100 --> 00:28:35.300 You you wear out your audience on both sides already hates 00:28:35.300 --> 00:28:38.100 Trump and then you also probably it look there some people 00:28:38.100 --> 00:28:41.500 who would never be converted to to not liking Trump, 00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:45.000 but I do think that some people feed the hysteria around certain 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.600 things and they benefits Trump. 00:28:47.600 --> 00:28:51.700 I definitely know people who as soon as they see phrases 00:28:51.700 --> 00:28:55.600 like assault on our democracy like they just tune out at this 00:28:55.600 --> 00:28:57.700 point because they just know it's too much of him. 00:28:57.700 --> 00:29:02.500 It's too much of a mental commitment to to start following 00:29:02.500 --> 00:29:04.800 these new Cycles cuz everybody knows where they're going to go 00:29:04.800 --> 00:29:08.300 at this point and you don't know you don't know what that which 00:29:08.300 --> 00:29:12.700 which of these 15 things is actually the Democracy in Pearland. 00:29:13.700 --> 00:29:16.900 Moment, you know when the walls are going to close in. 00:29:16.900 --> 00:29:26.100 So especially with the pandemic this could end up being incredibly 00:29:26.100 --> 00:29:31.300 serious Dorian and and some of the comments that Trump has made 00:29:31.300 --> 00:29:36.800 in conjunction with also some of the the incidents we've had 00:29:36.800 --> 00:29:43.300 with a contested elections during the Gilded Age could end up 00:29:43.300 --> 00:29:49.700 being really really messy in early November pretty easy to see 00:29:49.700 --> 00:29:56.300 some very serious negative possibilities accepting results 00:29:56.300 --> 00:30:01.300 with the vote counts being contested with people claiming 00:30:01.300 --> 00:30:03.500 fraud back and forth etcetera Etc. 00:30:03.500 --> 00:30:07.500 And Paul's are tightening by the way between Trump and Biden. 00:30:08.900 --> 00:30:11.600 Yeah, we will talk about this when we talked about the DNC that 00:30:11.600 --> 00:30:13.500 I think there's things to worry about there, 00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:16.700 too. So yeah, what do we have for that? 00:30:16.700 --> 00:30:24.100 Terrible happens there is apparently there's a Facebook 00:30:24.100 --> 00:30:30.900 group that is called a Facebook group that is called loaded 00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:38.300 guns pointed at penis penis penis is in I honestly legit don't 00:30:38.300 --> 00:30:41.900 know if it's it has a bracket around the B. 00:30:41.900 --> 00:30:46.100 I don't think it's like cuz penises that you can say that word. 00:30:46.100 --> 00:30:47.800 So I think they actually made it. 00:30:47.800 --> 00:30:57.300 It's not like the media sanitizing him irritate sponsible 00:30:57.300 --> 00:31:02.000 gun owners and so on this Facebook group, 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:06.400 a lot of people just show themselves with their fingers on the 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.700 trigger of guns, and they have the gun. 00:31:08.900 --> 00:31:10.500 pointed at their penises 00:31:11.500 --> 00:31:13.800 and a guy accidentally blew off his balls. 00:31:13.800 --> 00:31:19.200 So yeah, so a guy I accidentally yes, 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:24.000 he shot himself in the scrotum and there's actually a photo 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:29.400 of him. I'm sorry, but that is the funniest thing I've ever 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:37.100 seen may be in my life loaded gun pointed at BNSF. 00:31:37.100 --> 00:31:42.400 You see a good shot of a guy with the gun pointed at like 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:46.700 literally touching his crotch and there's a cat looking up at 00:31:46.700 --> 00:31:49.300 him. Actually that can I photo is amazing cuz the cat looks 00:31:49.300 --> 00:31:52.500 really concerned. Can we book that cat? 00:31:52.500 --> 00:32:01.300 Seriously, right? He's like definitely like dude. 00:32:01.300 --> 00:32:02.100 What are you doing? 00:32:11.500 --> 00:32:19.800 Yeah, it's really ridiculous. 00:32:19.800 --> 00:32:26.300 So this guy from San Diego apparently posted a video of himself 00:32:26.300 --> 00:32:33.600 with his 45 caliber 1911 pistol and he's pressing the muzzle 00:32:33.600 --> 00:32:34.700 against his genitals. 00:32:34.700 --> 00:32:35.700 And this is video. 00:32:35.700 --> 00:32:37.400 I posted it since been removed. 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:41.000 But this is what it showed and after few seconds then gun discharges 00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:50.700 the post. Hey boys, I might have fucked up. 00:32:52.300 --> 00:32:58.700 And boy that tells you is by the way. 00:33:00.700 --> 00:33:02.000 Right, okay. 00:33:03.700 --> 00:33:10.800 Well, he really underestimated the damage so he goes hey boys, 00:33:10.800 --> 00:33:16.800 I might have fucked up and then he posted an image of his expose 00:33:16.800 --> 00:33:20.200 legs with a towel pressed between them and you can see drops 00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.900 of Blood on the floor and a crumpled copy of the US Constitution. 00:33:23.900 --> 00:33:28.400 So Dan can we show that photo? 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.200 I just want to make sure we're looking at it. 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.000 And yeah, so you see it's blood-splattered. 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.000 You see some other clothes on the ground. 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.300 I guess you see his pain, is that a backpack or pants with a 00:33:40.300 --> 00:33:41.200 belt sound clear? 00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:45.500 But yeah, he posted a photo of himself and much to his I guess 00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:47.400 he was I'm not kidding. 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:53.300 I just shot myself God's God's caliber went through my scrotum 00:33:53.300 --> 00:33:56.200 mattress box spring and floor. 00:33:57.100 --> 00:34:02.100 5 caliber went through my scrotum mattress boxspring and floor 00:34:02.100 --> 00:34:05.600 and he thought that he just great and this is not like fake 00:34:05.600 --> 00:34:08.400 because apparently the San Diego Police Department confirmed 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:13.100 that officers were called to the hospital 8:30 a m p I'm sorry 00:34:13.100 --> 00:34:17.200 3 p.m. On Tuesday for a report of a man suffering from a self-inflicted 00:34:17.200 --> 00:34:23.000 wounds are the victim was 100% Okay, 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:24.500 and even went to work the following day, 00:34:24.500 --> 00:34:27.400 so I'm going to guess that's just a through-and-through 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:34.700 letting me know he probably missed both balls that he just grazed 00:34:34.700 --> 00:34:37.700 himself into areas, but you're right. 00:34:37.700 --> 00:34:41.300 It was a through-and-through it entered and exited and he's 00:34:41.300 --> 00:34:44.100 being referred to as King by 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:53.000 And someone wrote in the wake of the incident other members 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:55.500 in Facebook group elevated the San Diego man to the status 00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:56.500 of an admin. 00:34:56.500 --> 00:35:06.900 Okay. So now he's an admin and celebrated him as king and according 00:35:06.900 --> 00:35:09.000 to the other admin. 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:13.300 They told by the reason we are calling him King is partially 00:35:13.300 --> 00:35:16.800 because the poor guy already shot himself don't think he needs 00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:18.600 to be chastise as well. 00:35:18.600 --> 00:35:19.600 I'm quite sure. 00:35:19.600 --> 00:35:22.500 He's learned his lesson without the entire world calling 00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:23.100 him an idiot. 00:35:23.100 --> 00:35:25.700 He's learned his lesson. 00:35:25.700 --> 00:35:28.000 He's learned that if he does something he does something 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:40.900 like incredibly stupid that he's going to if you incredibly 00:35:40.900 --> 00:35:43.600 self-destructive and just barely survived like yeah, 00:35:43.600 --> 00:35:45.800 of course your friends are going to love you for that like that. 00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:52.900 Yeah, what guy doesn't understand that apparently it's it's 00:35:52.900 --> 00:35:59.100 something called Trigger Discipline Do you know about this just 00:35:59.100 --> 00:36:00.300 reading from the device? 00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:03.400 I think started reporting on this broke. 00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:08.300 The story of thing happened in the first place and why there 00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:10.600 are several groups online dedicated to posting pictures 00:36:10.600 --> 00:36:14.300 of gun owners pointing a loaded weapon at their dicks besides 00:36:14.300 --> 00:36:18.400 the Facebook group and you need to understand the beef raging 00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:19.500 between online gun. 00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:23.300 People Trigger Discipline is a basic gun safety measure drilled 00:36:23.300 --> 00:36:26.600 into people when they're learning about Firearms basic safety 00:36:26.600 --> 00:36:29.300 says that you always keep your finger off the trigger until 00:36:29.300 --> 00:36:32.100 you're ready to shoot and that you point it away from yourself 00:36:32.100 --> 00:36:35.700 and other people unless you mean to shoot them shitposters 00:36:35.700 --> 00:36:38.700 love taking pictures of a loaded gun pointed at their groin 00:36:38.700 --> 00:36:42.800 finger hovering just above the trigger to irritate responsible 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:47.400 gun owners now loaded guns pointed at Venus has made the shooter 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:51.700 as Okay, a king in one Meme and they're making memes of him and 00:36:51.700 --> 00:36:55.000 one meme Barack Obama is giving him a presidential medal of freedom 00:36:55.000 --> 00:37:02.900 did cover photo to a screenshot of the shooter pointing 00:37:02.900 --> 00:37:05.600 his loaded 1911 at his dick. 00:37:05.600 --> 00:37:10.300 We are sick and tired of being demonizes gun owners and looped 00:37:10.300 --> 00:37:13.300 together with the alt-right just for owning guns and admin 00:37:13.300 --> 00:37:17.400 of loaded guns pointed at Venus told motherboard Vice in a Facebook 00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.600 message. We are stick of Republicans parentheses think NRA and 00:37:21.600 --> 00:37:24.300 parentheses telling us what to do with our property and we are 00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:26.800 sick of being told that just because we like on that means 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:31.100 we have to be Auntie woman pro-life and pro-choice Trump Resort, 00:37:31.100 --> 00:37:40.600 you know it a Facebook page loaded guns pointed at bed, 00:37:40.600 --> 00:37:42.300 you know, it works. 00:37:47.800 --> 00:38:11.100 Horchata or buy old is the actor at the bleep at the unconscious 00:38:11.100 --> 00:38:23.900 at the Boma toast weird. 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:33.800 Again for swimming basically it is this a bore scares Germans 00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:38.800 video Dan if we could see the let's go to the videotape 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.900 here. It's kind of self-explanatory, but there's a Twist to it. 00:38:59.700 --> 00:39:06.600 Just made the news like around the world and there was a 80 report 00:39:06.600 --> 00:39:11.000 about it that I found really strange cuz I have deep suspicions 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:14.400 about this is a caption under this video. 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:18.100 That's attributed AP it says a swimming wild boar surprise 00:39:18.100 --> 00:39:21.700 sunbathers in Germany after taking a tip a dip in the Baltic 00:39:21.700 --> 00:39:27.900 Sea before charging through the crowded Beach footage of the 00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:31.400 incident in the northern coastal town of Schoenberg and Saturday 00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:36.800 with the pain by German news or agency dnf divorce in swimming 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:39.500 towards the beach before running off past tense and towels 00:39:39.500 --> 00:39:40.900 as people scattered Clearpath. 00:39:40.900 --> 00:39:42.400 There are no reports of any injuries. 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.400 I looked up Schoenberg and I didn't see it as being under on the 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:53.800 bolts. Maybe maybe it is but if there is any Germans among 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:54.400 our listeners, 00:39:59.700 --> 00:40:01.000 But if I made this is fake news, 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:04.400 but it is it's a great venue because you don't see where the 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:12.400 boar comes from it like they're exactly what they're saying. 00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:20.400 Is that anyway Germans and Boris who knew so that was the four 00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:24.000 food groups for this week and what a busy week it was we have 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.500 lots to talk about the DNC happen this week. 00:40:26.500 --> 00:40:32.800 How much did you watch Monday and Tuesday? 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:36.900 And by the time I will have watched Wednesday and Thursday. 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:39.200 Wow, yeah. 00:40:41.200 --> 00:40:45.400 I didn't know I was doing the the drinking game on Monday, 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:46.600 which turned out to be. 00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:56.100 So painful that for a variety of reasons I couldn't face watching 00:40:56.100 --> 00:40:58.800 it on Tuesday, but there were a couple of moments. 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:04.800 I think we should we should focus on early didn't watch the DNC 00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:06.800 obviously because of covid-19. 00:41:39.500 --> 00:41:41.100 They don't have the crowns this time. 00:41:41.100 --> 00:41:44.400 So what are they do they created something that was that was 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.400 really weird. Like I don't even know how to characterize 00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:46.900 it. It was. 00:41:46.900 --> 00:41:55.200 It's kind of part Telethon a very big telephone Energy telephone 00:41:55.200 --> 00:41:59.900 number to you'd had a Mister Rogers feel for me because like 00:41:59.900 --> 00:42:03.100 the Joe Biden kind of played the role of of mr. 00:42:03.100 --> 00:42:08.400 Rogers. He was going off to you know into the different 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:13.900 worlds PNC was trying to present an interviewing, 00:42:13.900 --> 00:42:17.000 you know, Henrietta, whoever, you know, I actually think you 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:24.600 did a good job of turning it into watchable TV was really 00:42:24.600 --> 00:42:27.700 bizarre throughout wouldn't get into that. 00:42:27.700 --> 00:42:30.700 But what's the most dangerous thing going for me was this one? 00:42:30.700 --> 00:42:33.700 And then if we could see this America is in a Crossroads 00:42:33.700 --> 00:42:37.300 sometimes electric represent a real Choice a choice we make 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:44.900 John Kasich said America is at a Crossroads and he's standing 00:42:44.900 --> 00:42:46.200 literally at a Crossroads. 00:42:46.200 --> 00:42:48.200 It's an aerial shot to great shot. 00:42:48.200 --> 00:42:54.200 Thomas. Friedman is it has to be put on alert because that is 00:42:54.200 --> 00:43:04.000 going overboard for a metaphor right there right there to do this 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.200 at least once once in their lives. 00:43:06.200 --> 00:43:09.600 So that mean he's literally standing at a crossroad. 00:43:09.600 --> 00:43:10.400 That was great. 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:16.300 I thought that was you know, they didn't sell it as funny better, 00:43:16.300 --> 00:43:23.000 but it was actually funny terms of the themes of of the DNC. 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:29.300 They really RAV4 sizing a couple things they they use the big 00:43:29.300 --> 00:43:33.200 Dupree relentlessly use the term peaceful protesting. 00:43:33.200 --> 00:43:36.400 I think they were trying to counter something maybe that's 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.800 in The Ether about the protests. 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.600 They talked about reimagining a lot that was a word that was 00:43:42.600 --> 00:43:44.600 used quite a bit. 00:43:44.600 --> 00:43:48.700 And then there the post office was really basically the dominant 00:43:48.700 --> 00:43:55.200 theme of the entire convention, which really makes me wonder 00:43:55.200 --> 00:43:58.200 like what were they planning on stressing if Trump hadn't 00:43:58.200 --> 00:43:59.600 said all that stuff a couple of weeks ago, 00:43:59.600 --> 00:44:00.800 you know what I mean? 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:06.500 Like this gets to tell me how you feel about this biscuit 00:44:06.500 --> 00:44:11.100 this to me gets to the question of why it's a little worrying 00:44:11.100 --> 00:44:13.900 at the poles are this close because they're doing exactly 00:44:13.900 --> 00:44:18.600 the same strategy as 2016 were the whole thing is just about 00:44:18.600 --> 00:44:19.600 how much Trump sucks. 00:44:20.700 --> 00:44:22.800 And there isn't a whole lot. 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.900 They Bernie speech was the only like little island of policy 00:44:25.900 --> 00:44:29.600 proposal and the whole first day that I could see. 00:44:29.600 --> 00:44:30.600 I don't know. 00:44:30.600 --> 00:44:35.000 What did you think it was the only remotely inspiring person 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.800 the only person who brought up the fact that things were bad 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.700 for Trump like who acknowledge that at all? 00:44:41.700 --> 00:44:48.400 I thought that Michelle Obama kind of gave gave the game away 00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.500 a little bit she frame the election as a harm-reduction 00:44:51.500 --> 00:44:56.100 election when she said for those of you who think it can't 00:44:56.100 --> 00:44:58.800 get worse it can and it will get worse which I do think. 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:00.300 It's probably the strongest Pro. 00:45:00.300 --> 00:45:03.000 It's just it's a low bar and it's a sad thing to say, 00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:06.200 but that's probably the bet the biggest and most convincing 00:45:06.200 --> 00:45:11.800 vote for Biden slogan is that motto is that it will get worse 00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:15.300 with Trump, so it's basically 00:45:16.900 --> 00:45:19.500 It's been selected Woody Allen joke about the other than miserable 00:45:19.500 --> 00:45:20.300 in the horrible. 00:45:20.300 --> 00:45:30.400 Right? Like, you know, it's just push to some kind of weird 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:34.600 parody extreme if they just didn't have really a whole lot to 00:45:34.600 --> 00:45:38.800 say that was positive her inspiring about what they plan to do 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:44.000 about anything that they were really really stressing the idea 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:44.900 of the Joe Biden. 00:45:44.900 --> 00:45:48.000 It's just the fundamentally decent person. 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:55.600 Who and he's not Trump that is an idea across hours and hours 00:45:55.600 --> 00:46:00.200 of programming when they're not really saying a whole lot else 00:46:00.200 --> 00:46:01.800 they had some other teams. 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.300 They they talked about defunding the post office, 00:46:04.300 --> 00:46:07.300 which I think again was was 00:46:08.300 --> 00:46:12.500 Intended to try to turn around rhetoric about the funding 00:46:12.500 --> 00:46:14.800 the police that sounds scary. 00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:23.000 I mean, I think that I am for defending the police as in reallocating 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:23.700 a lot of resources. 00:46:23.700 --> 00:46:26.800 It doesn't mean like for me I don't I don't think it's place 00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:29.700 where is going to be like liquidated immediately. 00:46:29.700 --> 00:46:33.200 I think it means like giving more money to education to social 00:46:33.200 --> 00:46:37.100 workers to all these things that should be done that will help 00:46:37.100 --> 00:46:40.100 prevent crime and lower recidivism recidivism, whatever 00:46:40.100 --> 00:46:43.200 but it's just so dumb because no one thinks it's scary. 00:46:43.200 --> 00:46:49.200 Like people are scared by the idea of defunding the police 00:46:49.200 --> 00:46:51.300 the people who are scared by that think of that is like, 00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:52.800 oh we're going to live in a chaotic world. 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:54.500 I don't think people are like, oh my God, 00:46:54.500 --> 00:46:58.000 if we're defunding the post office, we're going to live in a dangerous 00:46:58.000 --> 00:46:59.500 world may be chaotic. 00:47:08.300 --> 00:47:12.600 Crime rates so there's step definitely confusion over what the 00:47:12.600 --> 00:47:20.100 funding the police mean associate who are afraid of that. 00:47:20.100 --> 00:47:22.000 I don't think they're going to be like, 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:26.700 but at the same time that the Democrats won defend the police, 00:47:26.700 --> 00:47:29.200 but at the same time the Republicans are trying to defund 00:47:29.200 --> 00:47:32.200 the post office which makes me equally scared. 00:47:32.200 --> 00:47:33.000 That's my point. 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:35.300 I get it, right. 00:47:35.300 --> 00:47:38.400 So if you're if you're likely to be freaked out by Deep you finding 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.600 them of the police, you're not likely to be terrified of defunding 00:47:41.600 --> 00:47:42.400 the post office. 00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:47.200 I think of the damage being totally tone-deaf and using like 00:47:47.200 --> 00:47:50.900 trying to see if they're there their whole thing is just Framing 00:47:50.900 --> 00:47:53.400 and messaging they have nothing good to offer basically 00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.700 carefully. 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.100 Didn't roll that out until the DNC. 00:48:01.100 --> 00:48:03.900 It was like I didn't hear that whispered anywhere that defend the 00:48:03.900 --> 00:48:05.100 post office until suddenly. 00:48:05.100 --> 00:48:06.300 It was like this explosion. 00:48:06.300 --> 00:48:10.800 And and then the other thing was this Relentless Relentless, 00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:15.200 but it was a pretty concerted effort to put Republicans 00:48:15.200 --> 00:48:20.000 on who were like I was I was the last one Republican and now 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:25.800 you know, I'm okay great I get that but this is this is also 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:32.000 been a tactic that the party is used in the past and and seen 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:35.200 it blow up on them 2004. 00:48:35.200 --> 00:48:38.100 One of the things that really stress with John Kerry was his 00:48:38.100 --> 00:48:42.300 ability to cross the aisle and they had a video of him embracing 00:48:42.300 --> 00:48:48.400 John McCain and everything and it was emblematic of their fear 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:50.700 of seeming like week under fence. 00:48:50.700 --> 00:48:57.300 And in this case, I think I think they're trying to 00:48:58.300 --> 00:49:01.000 Yo, what's the defund the post office and everything? 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:06.700 They're they're trying to President Biden as being firmly 00:49:06.700 --> 00:49:13.600 like set apart from I'd like the woke left and I actually 00:49:13.600 --> 00:49:19.000 get that but they just sell themselves as a Republican 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.100 and Jason. I don't think that's terribly smart either. 00:49:21.100 --> 00:49:24.200 It's holding some kind of enjoy your into me. 00:49:24.200 --> 00:49:26.800 I mean they talk about structural racism. 00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:30.400 Actually. I wanted to read it a tweet from Marianne Williamson. 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:31.500 What you thought was good. 00:49:31.500 --> 00:49:36.500 She said I guess Mark Ruffalo tweeted watching the damn good 00:49:36.500 --> 00:49:38.500 and I love Mark Ruffalo, but you know, 00:49:38.500 --> 00:49:40.500 it's because I love him so much that I have to read this. 00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:42.400 I'm watching the game convention. 00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.500 It's so good to see so many diverse people coming together 00:49:45.500 --> 00:49:47.500 dressing racism in the promise of America. 00:49:47.500 --> 00:49:50.700 There is a sweetness and kindness about this production 00:49:50.700 --> 00:49:52.500 and Marianne Williamson rice. 00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:55.100 No, I'm sorry, but he did not address racism. 00:49:55.100 --> 00:49:58.100 They showed a lot of beautiful pictures of POC and made references. 00:49:58.200 --> 00:50:01.400 Has to be alarmed but there was not one mention of an actual 00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:03.600 policy to help and systemic racism. 00:50:03.600 --> 00:50:08.700 It's like binge washing a Marriott commercial which is true. 00:50:08.700 --> 00:50:10.400 It's very very very true. 00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:17.900 And I thought the structural racism and systemic racism discourse 00:50:17.900 --> 00:50:22.900 was it was just I mean, I think those things are we all and 00:50:22.900 --> 00:50:24.100 I need to be combated. 00:50:24.100 --> 00:50:28.100 I don't know what the Dems are doing to combat it except for 00:50:28.100 --> 00:50:30.300 legitimately at 1 with Sandra spoke. I 00:50:30.300 --> 00:50:33.000 thought he was being very sincere when he talks about the rising 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:36.000 authoritarianism of Donald Trump and I think that Sanders 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:39.900 really connects the rhetoric with you know, 00:50:39.900 --> 00:50:44.000 that the Nazism that he that his family fled like I do think 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.800 that he sees Trump as as having authoritarian Tendencies 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:51.400 and and whipping up bigotry and all that stuff and I think 00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:52.700 that's a that's true. 00:50:52.700 --> 00:50:56.900 I think we have to talk about policy also and someone like Sanders 00:50:56.900 --> 00:51:00.700 obviously he does so he He's all good in that regard. 00:51:00.700 --> 00:51:07.500 But I mean the thing that really killed me was the talk of how 00:51:07.500 --> 00:51:11.400 covid disproportionately affects people of color because 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:14.100 if you think that and you know that and that's true, 00:51:14.100 --> 00:51:16.400 but you don't support Medicare for all. 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:22.600 You're actually I would say a very bad person like that person. 00:51:22.600 --> 00:51:26.600 I'm sorry. That's the irredeemable basket of deplorables. 00:51:26.600 --> 00:51:28.000 That's the deplorable. 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:29.600 You know, what's up? 00:51:29.600 --> 00:51:33.000 You understand that and yet you're not going to embrace your 00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:36.000 basically like okay with that if you don't Embrace medicare-for-all, 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:39.400 I'd rather you just not care about racism and not care about 00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:44.000 Medicare for all then you then you address racism and you were 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:48.400 meant how did proportionately affected people of color are by 00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:51.900 our Healthcare crisis and then say and you know, 00:51:51.900 --> 00:51:55.700 what, what I'm going to do about that is I'm going to change 00:51:55.700 --> 00:51:58.000 my Instagram image. 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:01.800 I'm going to get really excited about having black lives Matter 00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:02.900 written on the street. 00:52:02.900 --> 00:52:08.300 I'm going to celebrate taking down a statue and dad is my dad 00:52:08.300 --> 00:52:13.000 is how I see dismantling racism like no that's not actually 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:17.000 how you do it and you're apparently okay with it being this 00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:17.500 for portion. 00:52:18.600 --> 00:52:21.800 Yeah, like I hate obviously agree with you. 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:33.300 I think the Relentless emphasis on images of combating 00:52:33.300 --> 00:52:38.800 racism Marriott commercial on the older suits me at the Bennett 00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:48.300 on commercial but but the sincerity of it and was was so Craven 00:52:48.300 --> 00:52:49.200 was so obvious. 00:52:49.200 --> 00:52:52.400 I am in a lot of places that I think it was really off-putting 00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:55.000 and a disproportionate argument. 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:57.600 We should have made off read back on this cuz the whole disproportionality 00:52:57.600 --> 00:53:02.100 issue is really gross because I don't want to fight for a world 00:53:02.100 --> 00:53:09.100 in which more uninsured people or white and more people who died 00:53:09.100 --> 00:53:12.700 because they can't afford health insurance are white that's 00:53:12.700 --> 00:53:13.900 not the future. 00:53:13.900 --> 00:53:18.400 I believe in fighting for I think it's an important point to make 00:53:18.500 --> 00:53:22.200 Because I think it reaches people who are understandably 00:53:22.200 --> 00:53:25.000 opposed racism. I think it's really important for people to see 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:28.200 how those things, you know, sorry trigger warning for your Mac, 00:53:28.200 --> 00:53:32.000 but how they intersect I do think it's really I think it's an 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:36.200 important gateway drug or Gateway point or I don't even care 00:53:36.200 --> 00:53:39.400 if you don't shift your how do you view the world for me? 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:42.000 It's kind of like the point is we shouldn't have people suffering 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:43.400 and dying cuz they can't afford it. 00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:46.600 But if if people need to get on board with that because they 00:53:46.600 --> 00:53:50.300 see it as a as just a racial racial justice issue, 00:53:50.300 --> 00:53:55.500 that's fine. But it really is like that is what the aspirations 00:53:55.500 --> 00:53:59.400 of the democratic party are leftover represented people of color 00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:00.600 Among The Kills. 00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:15.900 More performative politics on on that score statues mean luck 00:54:15.900 --> 00:54:18.900 babe. One of the reasons they barely made it through the drinking 00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:20.400 game is because systemic and systematic. 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:27.200 We're one of one of the rules rap and for a party that basically 00:54:27.200 --> 00:54:32.700 threw everything it had in both 2016. 00:54:32.700 --> 00:54:38.500 And in 2019 in 20 at Bernie Sanders to prevent the systemic 00:54:38.500 --> 00:54:44.800 change Canada from from Gaining traction for this party. 00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:49.900 It's just a word right like they end and when they when they 00:54:49.900 --> 00:54:54.200 talk about systemic racism, but what are we really talking 00:54:54.200 --> 00:54:55.100 about their right? 00:54:55.100 --> 00:54:57.200 Like because if you want to talk about police brutality, 00:54:57.200 --> 00:55:01.200 what's what's your policy changed? 00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:08.200 Places in one of the biggest areas you see it in is the War 00:55:08.200 --> 00:55:17.600 on Drugs for instance Medicare the post office thing like it if 00:55:17.600 --> 00:55:26.200 the employee who would employees right one of the major issues 00:55:26.200 --> 00:55:33.100 of the financial crisis was and no going forward as soon as lack 00:55:33.100 --> 00:55:36.100 of access to rap to Quality banking, 00:55:36.100 --> 00:55:40.500 you know in poor neighborhoods, and now they've never been in 00:55:40.500 --> 00:55:44.200 favor of any saying along those lines it just it just feels 00:55:44.200 --> 00:55:48.400 empty to me it feel it feels like there is a charm that I 00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:49.000 can't stand it. 00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:51.600 If you would like a lot of virtue signaling and especially 00:55:51.600 --> 00:55:57.200 you take that in conjunction with the other piece of the DNC, 00:55:57.200 --> 00:56:01.600 which is just the Litany of people standing up and talk about 00:56:01.600 --> 00:56:03.200 how horrible Donald Trump. 00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:08.100 It sends a message to audiences that okay. 00:56:08.100 --> 00:56:11.900 We basically don't stand for a whole lot. 00:56:11.900 --> 00:56:15.500 We're focusing on something that we we weren't even couldn't 00:56:15.500 --> 00:56:18.500 even really been thinking about even three weeks ago, 00:56:18.500 --> 00:56:23.500 which you know is tells you that we're just prisoners in the 00:56:23.500 --> 00:56:25.300 moment. We're just doing whatever we can do to get through 00:56:25.300 --> 00:56:28.400 the night, you know, they don't have any big principles 00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:31.600 that they're selling and I've seen a lot of people start to comment 00:56:31.600 --> 00:56:37.300 on this about the selection which is that you don't even in 2016 00:56:37.300 --> 00:56:42.100 there were some big ideas in there even if they were negative 00:56:42.100 --> 00:56:47.200 ideas, you know, whether it was the wall or Hillary versus 00:56:47.200 --> 00:56:51.400 Bernie or whatever it was this general election season is is turning 00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:54.000 into this thing where it's just a bunch of reaction to stuff 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.700 that goes on in the internet and 00:56:56.600 --> 00:56:59.000 There's no there's no big policy idea. 00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:03.200 Anyway, we'll see how it all plays in plus with the DNC was this 00:57:03.200 --> 00:57:07.700 bad. I think we can pretty much count on the Republican 00:57:07.700 --> 00:57:12.100 Philly ridiculous. But we're going to talk to former congresswoman 00:57:12.100 --> 00:57:17.700 Katie Hill who was I think went through one of the all-time 00:57:17.700 --> 00:57:21.800 unpleasant media experiences probably in the history of American 00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:27.900 politics. She was in the middle of a very very complicated 00:57:27.900 --> 00:57:30.700 story and we're going to let her use her own words to characterize 00:57:30.700 --> 00:57:31.800 what that was. 00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:35.800 Was it a scandal was it something else but they were doing 00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.100 really multiple parts to what happened. 00:57:38.100 --> 00:57:39.800 There. Was this revenge for an aspect. 00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:42.900 She had an abusive husband who was threatening to release 00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:47.100 some things about her if he left she left him and that's what 00:57:47.100 --> 00:57:53.000 he did. Then there were allegations that she had had an affair 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:56.400 with her legislative director or male legislative director. 00:57:56.700 --> 00:58:00.200 And those turned out to be apparently not true. 00:58:00.200 --> 00:58:03.300 Then there was a true story about a relationship. 00:58:03.300 --> 00:58:08.100 She apparently had with with a campaign staffer and it was because 00:58:08.100 --> 00:58:10.800 of that technically along with some other things. 00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:15.200 We think that that she actually ended up resigning but she has 00:58:15.200 --> 00:58:18.700 she has a book that that's out now called she will rise that 00:58:18.700 --> 00:58:21.700 goes through a lot of these issues and you know, 00:58:21.700 --> 00:58:23.500 we're going to ask her about all these things in about what 00:58:23.500 --> 00:58:27.400 she thinks about the campaign in the DNC and some other issues. 00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:36.000 She did have the relationship was a woman that which I think 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:43.000 plays into it also looks out now and let's see. 00:58:48.600 --> 00:58:52.700 I guess the first question is when did you think of writing 00:58:52.700 --> 00:58:54.200 the book if you have an aha moment, 00:58:54.200 --> 00:59:01.200 what was the process like immediately when you first resign 00:59:01.200 --> 00:59:05.000 or when I first was I and I was suddenly hit with oh wait. 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:06.600 I'm not getting a paycheck anymore. 00:59:06.600 --> 00:59:09.800 And it's not like there's any savings whatsoever for you know, 00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:13.100 what congressional salary and having a house in Southern 00:59:13.100 --> 00:59:14.800 California and an apartment in DC. 00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:18.300 So I was like, I got to figure something out fast and I had 00:59:18.300 --> 00:59:20.900 a whole bunch of people and I'm like, 00:59:20.900 --> 00:59:22.900 okay, but I don't what am I going to say? 00:59:22.900 --> 00:59:27.300 And then there was no, I think that is the most important 00:59:27.300 --> 00:59:30.800 thing isn't my own story, but it's how my story is reflective 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:34.500 of what so many other women go through and and how it needs 00:59:34.500 --> 00:59:38.000 to be a call to Arms to say that we have to do something 00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:40.400 drastic in order to make the changes that are necessary 00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:44.000 and in my view that's all about electing women and and getting 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:47.500 to parody and until we do that things are not going to fundamentally 00:59:47.500 --> 00:59:47.800 change. 00:59:48.500 --> 00:59:51.600 Enter a lot of things that that really develops throughout 00:59:51.600 --> 00:59:53.600 the course of writing it. 00:59:53.600 --> 00:59:55.900 I'm especially my grandma's story what you're talking about 00:59:55.900 --> 00:59:56.400 a lot in there. 00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:59.600 That was one that you know, I didn't necessarily intended 00:59:59.600 --> 01:00:02.600 for it to be as big of a part as it is playing but 01:00:02.600 --> 01:00:06.200 I felt like as you know, the more I talk to her the more 01:00:06.200 --> 01:00:09.400 important it fell to me to be kind of tie the two negatives 01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:14.700 together. I also know a lot of time that was kind of lost because 01:00:14.700 --> 01:00:16.100 of what happened with my brother, you know, 01:00:16.100 --> 01:00:24.800 he passed away in mid-January that I'm supposed to be and because 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.800 I had always wanted it to come out in time for the hundredth 01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:32.400 anniversary of the 19th Amendment and so there was just a very 01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:34.900 short timeline for us to be able to finish everything 01:00:34.900 --> 01:00:39.200 and and they had to push my deadlines all the absolute last 01:00:39.200 --> 01:00:44.500 second for the publication date to work out because you know 01:00:44.500 --> 01:00:48.200 obviously can work on it for you know a while so I really 01:00:48.600 --> 01:00:50.700 Hunker down and wrote the saying in like three weeks. 01:00:50.700 --> 01:01:02.700 It was quite an experience early on in the nonprofit sector 01:01:02.700 --> 01:01:06.700 were riding related and it's definitely something that I've 01:01:06.700 --> 01:01:11.000 always written some so just kind of process things and I always 01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:14.600 had kept a notebook to write about Ian was in Congress just 01:01:14.600 --> 01:01:16.200 to kind of right about new experiences. 01:01:16.200 --> 01:01:21.600 And so yes, the the writing was fairly natural for me and and 01:01:21.600 --> 01:01:23.600 that's why I didn't I didn't need a Ghostwriter. 01:01:23.600 --> 01:01:27.100 I did need help researching because there was a lot of you don't 01:01:27.100 --> 01:01:32.200 have a research in there and and help in terms of kind of editing 01:01:32.200 --> 01:01:34.800 and putting it all together in a way that made the most sense. 01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:37.400 But but yeah, it's definitely my writing. 01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:40.700 Yeah. I didn't have that boring feel that pop politicians 01:01:40.700 --> 01:01:42.100 books often have so 01:01:48.600 --> 01:01:53.700 To resign because the book in the book you stress a lot about 01:01:53.700 --> 01:01:56.300 and I am in a very convincing, 01:01:56.300 --> 01:02:00.600 you know, you're obviously there's a lot of resentment 01:02:00.600 --> 01:02:03.700 towards your ex-husband towards of the way the press for behave 01:02:03.700 --> 01:02:07.100 towards red-state towards the daily mail, but ultimately 01:02:07.100 --> 01:02:10.400 you did decide that there was reason enough that you actually 01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:15.200 had to resign we had Alex Morrison on Archer on the show last 01:02:15.200 --> 01:02:18.700 week we talked about how we kind of came up against the edge 01:02:18.700 --> 01:02:22.000 of deciding whether or not to quit and ultimately decided 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:25.400 not to was was there a moment like that for you and what would 01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:30.000 push you over the edge there wasn't and for two weeks. 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.400 I was fighting it and saying I'm going to stick this out but 01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:40.200 the the barrage of the images and articles and delete text messages 01:02:40.200 --> 01:02:43.700 and the fact that they said that you know that there was just 01:02:43.700 --> 01:02:44.700 going to be more and more coming. 01:02:44.700 --> 01:02:48.200 I felt like it was never going to stop if I didn't take 01:02:48.600 --> 01:02:49.500 Myself out of the picture. 01:02:49.500 --> 01:02:51.600 I thought that it was going to continue to have this terrible 01:02:51.600 --> 01:02:53.200 impact that it was having on my staff. 01:02:53.200 --> 01:02:56.000 You know, my staff is like completely in the dark. 01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:57.700 They don't know what my response is going to be. 01:02:57.700 --> 01:03:00.500 They don't know because I didn't even know what my response is 01:03:00.500 --> 01:03:01.600 going to be a didn't know. 01:03:01.600 --> 01:03:03.300 What was true. 01:03:03.300 --> 01:03:05.300 What wasn't true and once you know, 01:03:05.300 --> 01:03:09.600 once somebody what was there something that's claimed that you 01:03:09.600 --> 01:03:12.300 admit to write the part that I admitted to in terms of the consensual 01:03:12.300 --> 01:03:16.600 relationship then then I think it it really made people question 01:03:16.600 --> 01:03:19.800 everything else and even those things weren't true. 01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:24.900 So I felt like I was up against that as well and beat my 01:03:24.900 --> 01:03:27.200 family was being harassed my you know, my 01:03:27.200 --> 01:03:30.900 mom was being followed in these trucks and my you know, 01:03:30.900 --> 01:03:34.400 my sister's business was getting attacked and my staff was getting 01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:37.800 stuff sent to the the local office if they have white powder 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:41.700 sent to him and my my friends and colleagues and Congress 01:03:41.700 --> 01:03:45.300 work. We're getting bombarded by these questions about me to are you 01:03:45.300 --> 01:03:46.500 going to support her or do you think 01:03:48.600 --> 01:03:53.300 We were going in impeachment and especially since I was the leader of 01:03:53.300 --> 01:03:57.100 the Freshman Class, I felt like I was going to be used as 01:03:57.100 --> 01:04:01.700 a distraction and also as this liability for the Democrats in 01:04:01.700 --> 01:04:07.200 especially for her freshman frontliners and the moment 01:04:07.200 --> 01:04:11.600 that changed me that made me finally decide to do it as a personal 01:04:11.600 --> 01:04:16.400 a miserable. I was I was in the most depressed that I think 01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:21.400 I've ever been and just ashamed and horrified and guilty about 01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:24.800 everything and my mom, you know what I think I talked to this 01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:28.800 conversation with my mom about it all and she's like you just 01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:32.000 you don't have to keep putting yourself through this and it'll 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:37.100 it'll be okay and that that felt like it gave me the go-ahead 01:04:37.100 --> 01:04:40.600 to resign but I know I still have 01:04:41.500 --> 01:04:45.700 I still wonder sometimes if I should have stuck it out and the 01:04:45.700 --> 01:04:49.700 biggest time that I question that decision was when the Republican 01:04:49.700 --> 01:04:52.100 defeated the Democrat in the special election to replace 01:04:52.100 --> 01:04:54.900 me because I honestly wasn't expecting that. 01:04:54.900 --> 01:04:57.800 I thought that we had one by so much would 1 by 9 points 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:03.000 that that the district had had really changed and you don't 01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:06.800 lots of lessons learned from that and I'm hopeful that we slip 01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:11.100 it in November but you know after that it was like was this 01:05:11.100 --> 01:05:13.800 another huge mistake that I stepped down should I have stuck 01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:16.800 it out and I don't know that there's a right answer, 01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:20.100 right? You know, I don't think they're there ever could be because 01:05:20.100 --> 01:05:27.300 I still I still felt the weight of possible hypocrisy of what 01:05:27.300 --> 01:05:31.200 it was putting people through and and so I don't I think that 01:05:31.200 --> 01:05:34.000 would have certainly continued if I'd stayed in you know, 01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:37.100 but then there's also the I know that I was doing good work 01:05:37.100 --> 01:05:39.500 there and I know that I was Neo contributing and 01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:44.200 If I had been if we had been closer to if we didn't have 01:05:44.200 --> 01:05:45.800 the majority by as much as we did, 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:49.000 then it would have been a total different calculation. 01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.300 And also I thought about it more and I think that even if I'd 01:05:53.300 --> 01:05:56.400 been in office longer if I'd been a more experienced 01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:59.400 candidate or somebody who'd even been in other offices before 01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:02.900 it might have been different for me and might have been you know, 01:06:02.900 --> 01:06:07.700 something different song through but you know, 01:06:07.700 --> 01:06:10.800 the picture is really just make a huge huge difference 01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.000 of the fact that you're kind of I didn't want to go outside. 01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:14.400 I didn't want to let you know. 01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:18.800 I didn't feel like I can face the world with that. 01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:29.300 So yeah, it was very difficult decision parts of those. 01:06:29.300 --> 01:06:33.100 Calculation are going to dissipate you're no longer going to be 01:06:33.100 --> 01:06:38.000 potentially a distraction to an impeachment hearing the sheet 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:40.900 of a media hurricane is going to is going to I see little 01:06:40.900 --> 01:06:44.200 bit. It's that sounds like that leaves the door open somewhat 01:06:44.200 --> 01:06:47.500 for a return to politics perhaps down the line when the circumstances 01:06:47.500 --> 01:06:48.200 of change them. 01:06:48.200 --> 01:06:55.000 I think that I have I found a pass for now in terms of 01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:58.200 the work that I want to do and you mentioned the the funds 01:06:58.200 --> 01:07:01.300 that I braise for my re-election many politicians, 01:07:01.300 --> 01:07:06.400 you know, he there who resigned or who lose re-election 01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:11.100 campaign. They keep that campaign money in an account that just 01:07:11.100 --> 01:07:13.600 sits there so that if they do run for federal office again, 01:07:13.600 --> 01:07:16.600 they can just use it and I had about a million dollars which 01:07:16.600 --> 01:07:18.700 is a lot for a competitive house races, 01:07:18.700 --> 01:07:23.300 but I I thought that you know, 01:07:23.300 --> 01:07:26.800 I had an obligation to all the people who have donated to me to 01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:28.600 convert that into something that is Meaningful. 01:07:28.600 --> 01:07:31.300 So I converted it into this political action committee 01:07:31.300 --> 01:07:34.300 called her time and the work that I've been doing on that, 01:07:34.300 --> 01:07:39.700 you know, really it dovetails so much in the book and I was able 01:07:39.700 --> 01:07:44.300 to use the Even outline the mission of the work with her time 01:07:44.300 --> 01:07:47.400 and so we're supporting his candidates not just in presidential 01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:50.700 elections, but to vote for women in every single election 01:07:50.700 --> 01:07:54.500 and and then we're going to be championing and advocating 01:07:54.500 --> 01:07:56.600 for these legislative issues that are outlined in the books 01:07:56.600 --> 01:07:58.900 you so that's a lot of work. 01:07:58.900 --> 01:08:01.300 It's and it's something that I'm really excited about and it's 01:08:01.300 --> 01:08:03.500 something that I think we can make a difference in cuz there's 01:08:03.500 --> 01:08:07.500 not an organization are there organizations with with complimentary 01:08:07.500 --> 01:08:11.500 missions like EMILY's List, but we are we are targeting 01:08:11.500 --> 01:08:18.200 a very specific set of goals and of the kinds of people that 01:08:18.200 --> 01:08:20.600 were supporting so, you know, I want to I want to I want to 01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:21.700 make that successful. I 01:08:21.700 --> 01:08:25.100 want to set that up to be to have a big impact before 01:08:25.100 --> 01:08:30.200 we want anything else and there are so many amazingly talented 01:08:30.200 --> 01:08:33.100 women women of color women who haven't had the opportunity 01:08:33.100 --> 01:08:36.700 for their voices to be elevated yet that I don't feel like I need to 01:08:36.700 --> 01:08:38.600 insert myself again. 01:08:40.300 --> 01:08:44.000 There's something that I feel like maybe down the road make 01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:47.500 sense. I'm not going to say it's impossible but it's it's not 01:08:47.500 --> 01:08:52.000 on the priority list right now what happened? Because 01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:55.000 there's so much I feel like we often don't have the language 01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:56.400 appropriate to describe things. 01:08:56.400 --> 01:09:00.300 So lots of things get called a scandal and sometimes things 01:09:00.300 --> 01:09:05.600 that are not scandalous like actual and this wasn't the case 01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:08.300 for you, but give me everything from like sexual assault 01:09:08.300 --> 01:09:12.900 to a totally consensual extramarital affair. 01:09:12.900 --> 01:09:16.300 Y'all get lumped into this group of sex scandal or sexual. 01:09:16.300 --> 01:09:19.800 Yeah. So hero and you and there are a lot of different 01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:20.800 things happening right? 01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:24.500 There were the photos there was the relationships that you were 01:09:24.500 --> 01:09:26.800 accused of having what she didn't there was a relation to that 01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:30.800 you did have how it how do you describe it and I have to 01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:34.300 ask you because I was recording the intro and I was like, 01:09:34.300 --> 01:09:38.000 I want to give her the chance to the kind of user on Words, 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:40.000 which book but I wanted you to give you the 01:09:40.300 --> 01:09:41.800 How to use yarn words like you know, 01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:47.800 verbally, so just hope viewers and listeners know sure I have 01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:53.700 come to just kind of the lack of a better Friday is call it 01:09:53.700 --> 01:09:54.300 a scandal. 01:09:56.600 --> 01:09:59.300 Yeah, and and and basically call it a sex scandal because 01:09:59.300 --> 01:09:59.700 I don't know. 01:09:59.700 --> 01:10:02.300 I don't know what else you could refer to it as specially 01:10:02.300 --> 01:10:05.000 because mine involves many different aspects right? 01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:09.400 I think that you know what I don't I don't love it. 01:10:09.400 --> 01:10:14.300 But but I also I also I'm pretty sure that if it was somebody 01:10:14.300 --> 01:10:18.600 else I would even I would still refer to it as a scandal 01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:21.000 even if it weren't something that I stopped. 01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:24.400 You know that the person was at fault for it still is still 01:10:24.400 --> 01:10:25.600 a scandal in a less right? 01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:28.200 Like Monica Lewinsky was still involved in a scandal even though 01:10:28.200 --> 01:10:31.300 you know wasn't necessary but also so I think that that's 01:10:31.300 --> 01:10:34.600 that is the term that I've come to use at first, 01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:41.000 you know, I was calling it The likes the incident or the situation 01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:43.100 or things like that. 01:10:43.100 --> 01:10:46.300 But but after a little bit of time I was just like a scandal 01:10:46.300 --> 01:10:49.900 and I'm I'm on the very short list of women who have been involved 01:10:49.900 --> 01:10:54.100 women politicians have been involved in a sex scandal. 01:10:54.100 --> 01:10:56.200 There are plenty of women who have 01:10:56.500 --> 01:10:59.900 On the other side in a political sex scandals, 01:10:59.900 --> 01:11:02.300 but not the politicians themselves. 01:11:02.300 --> 01:11:10.500 So yeah, there's a lot of us women from she the Republican 01:11:10.500 --> 01:11:16.400 who is the majority leader of the Minnesota State Senate and 01:11:16.400 --> 01:11:21.000 and she's pretty much the only other one that pops up here looking 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:26.300 for an interesting ly since I since I resigned I heard about 01:11:26.300 --> 01:11:31.200 a woman who is a mayor of a city in the South who had 01:11:31.200 --> 01:11:36.100 a better wrench pointer cyber sleuth exploitation happened 01:11:36.100 --> 01:11:36.600 to her too. 01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:43.100 And and she she did not resign and and I was really I was 01:11:43.100 --> 01:11:46.100 happy for that because I think that maybe my you know, 01:11:46.100 --> 01:11:49.900 what happened with me might have made it might have drawn a little 01:11:49.900 --> 01:11:52.300 bit of a Line in the Sand and and said that this is not 01:11:52.300 --> 01:11:56.300 this is not something that the women should be at fault for right? 01:11:56.500 --> 01:12:01.000 In a few if you want to basically you should decide whether 01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:02.800 I should resign not based on those photos, 01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:06.600 but based on other other aspects other aspects of the situation. 01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:12.000 So when you say that you mean the relationship that you had with 01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:16.000 your female staffers that is that the thing that made you I guess 01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:17.800 if the photos made you feel terrible, 01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:21.200 but for the that relationship would you have stayed? 01:12:21.200 --> 01:12:26.600 I don't know I email you honestly don't know but I do know that 01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:30.500 you know why I did feel a lot of guilt around that I felt 01:12:30.500 --> 01:12:33.300 especially because I didn't want you know, 01:12:33.300 --> 01:12:37.900 I didn't want to be painted as this hypocrite and even though 01:12:37.900 --> 01:12:42.800 at the time and and ongoing I didn't feel like there was this 01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:46.100 Tower differential especially when it started and I certainly 01:12:46.100 --> 01:12:49.100 didn't feel like I was in the same category as you know, 01:12:49.100 --> 01:12:49.900 Harvey Weinstein, 01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:57.000 But it's so I still had to I had to come to terms with 01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:01.000 but I get why and I get when I get that the accountability 01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:05.300 that we we come to expect from from people in these kinds of situations, 01:13:05.300 --> 01:13:09.900 whether they're men or women like kind of setting the tone of 01:13:09.900 --> 01:13:16.000 the first the first woman in the in a scandal like this to in the 01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:18.900 post me to write like the relationship that I was in had 01:13:18.900 --> 01:13:21.400 started before any of the Harley wants to step in and started 01:13:21.400 --> 01:13:26.100 before the end of the me-too hashtag it even become big right? 01:13:26.100 --> 01:13:32.600 So it was I think I was I was writing that shifting moment 01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:35.900 and it's still happening where we haven't fully defined what 01:13:35.900 --> 01:13:39.400 we intend for that to mean and and who it should apply to and 01:13:39.400 --> 01:13:40.300 how it should be applied. 01:13:40.300 --> 01:13:44.700 But I especially because of the fact that I was in that, 01:13:44.700 --> 01:13:48.500 you know, I would even though I was a victim I was I was 01:13:48.500 --> 01:13:51.900 afraid of what I was if I if I didn't acknowledge that I didn't 01:13:51.900 --> 01:13:52.300 step down. 01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:53.900 Was that suggesting that it was? 01:13:53.900 --> 01:13:57.800 Okay, right. Maybe I was reading into this too much but in the 01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:01.100 book use the present tense when you talk about how I know that 01:14:01.100 --> 01:14:04.500 this was that it was inappropriate to have that relationship 01:14:04.500 --> 01:14:09.700 maybe that you didn't know at the time maybe or that you came 01:14:09.700 --> 01:14:10.200 to a realization. 01:14:10.200 --> 01:14:13.100 What changed your mind about that? 01:14:13.100 --> 01:14:15.900 I mean did did you have did you have some new thinking about 01:14:15.900 --> 01:14:19.500 what the Dynamics were over that relationship as this was breaking 01:14:19.500 --> 01:14:20.600 or what happened? 01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:27.100 Definitely over the course of time in general right? 01:14:27.100 --> 01:14:31.300 But when it is started and I have you know why I was in 01:14:31.300 --> 01:14:34.900 a I was in a management position of an executive-level 01:14:34.900 --> 01:14:39.700 position at a large Organization for a long time before I rent 01:14:39.700 --> 01:14:44.100 her anyting in politics and I was you I never would have even 01:14:44.100 --> 01:14:47.000 occurred to me to have any kind of relationship with someone 01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:51.400 I work with right that was totally off the table but in the campaign 01:14:51.400 --> 01:14:54.800 and I think this is Combination of the turbulent relationship 01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:59.800 that I was happy with my husband the amount of time and the fact that 01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:02.900 it was such a small and Grassroots seem like they were 01:15:02.900 --> 01:15:06.400 literally three of us that were working on it at the time and 01:15:06.400 --> 01:15:10.800 and so it didn't I didn't feel like I was at that point I 01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:12.400 didn't feel like I was in a position of power right? 01:15:12.400 --> 01:15:16.100 I didn't even know I should have recognized that I was I did 01:15:16.100 --> 01:15:19.700 not I didn't at the time I didn't feel like that and so I 01:15:19.700 --> 01:15:23.300 I think that that's that's a big part of the realization 01:15:23.300 --> 01:15:26.500 right is is that I didn't set those boundaries with my staff. I 01:15:26.500 --> 01:15:30.100 didn't I didn't see myself in a way that I should have some 01:15:30.100 --> 01:15:33.400 of that didn't come until later until I was in this more powerful 01:15:33.400 --> 01:15:37.300 position of being a member of Congress and and even then, 01:15:37.300 --> 01:15:40.200 you know, there was there was a long time that I felt like it 01:15:40.200 --> 01:15:42.500 was especially with my staff that didn't work with me during 01:15:42.500 --> 01:15:46.600 the campaign in the head had been basically colleagues 01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:50.600 the way that I saw it was I didn't feel and frankly they didn't 01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:54.900 in a good way like They didn't didn't have any fear of talking 01:15:54.900 --> 01:15:57.300 to me. Like I was a up here, 01:15:57.300 --> 01:16:00.400 right? I felt like I got good feedback because of the fact that 01:16:00.400 --> 01:16:03.200 they weren't afraid of me as as a as a member of Congress. 01:16:03.200 --> 01:16:08.800 So I think it's a whole bunch of kind of doctor is coming 01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:13.900 together that made for like a perfect storm and it was it was 01:16:13.900 --> 01:16:16.400 certainly was not something that I recognize that the time, 01:16:16.400 --> 01:16:19.500 you know, I recognize other potential problems with it, 01:16:19.500 --> 01:16:24.100 but not but not that I was like exerting my power over somebody 01:16:24.100 --> 01:16:27.000 it's funny because it's like one of the it's almost a sign of 01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:33.000 progress right in terms of women and lgbtq issues that cuz I think 01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:38.100 with an older man like with a man mail candidate, 01:16:38.100 --> 01:16:40.600 it's it's kind of a clear or it's a stark contrast, 01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:45.800 you know that I think with two women probably women and both 01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:49.100 of them. I mean I was I wasn't even 30 when the campaign 01:16:49.100 --> 01:16:52.300 started in and so yeah, I think it was 01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:53.800 It's age difference. 01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:58.000 It's the fact that you're I think as a woman and as someone 01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:02.400 who has been on the receiving end of assault by men, 01:17:02.400 --> 01:17:07.700 like I'm not conditioned to think of myself and in that on that 01:17:07.700 --> 01:17:12.200 side of things right media environment where 01:17:13.300 --> 01:17:18.100 With the internet can now make life basically unbearable 01:17:18.100 --> 01:17:22.800 for somebody in in the in the right circumstances and that can 01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:26.900 become the determinant in somebody's political future like in 01:17:26.900 --> 01:17:28.000 the blink of an eye. 01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:31.100 Is this a new reality for people going into politics, 01:17:31.100 --> 01:17:35.200 like people have to be ready for for that if they're going 01:17:35.200 --> 01:17:37.900 to enter into it now and what what do you think your story 01:17:37.900 --> 01:17:42.000 says the people who work maybe thinking about going into politics? 01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:47.800 How how do I how do I tell people? 01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:51.500 Yeah this happen to me, but you should still do it anyway 01:17:51.500 --> 01:17:54.400 and the way that I've kind of reconcile. 01:17:54.400 --> 01:17:56.900 This is like well what happened with me is pretty much the worst 01:17:56.900 --> 01:18:00.300 case scenario. So prepare yourself for this worst case scenario 01:18:00.300 --> 01:18:04.000 and I'm and think about how you would handle it if it happen 01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:04.900 to you that's part of my problem. 01:18:04.900 --> 01:18:09.400 Right is that I hadn't I think this is this is a simple no 01:18:09.400 --> 01:18:13.200 human denial or or even a level of naivety that I did. 01:18:13.300 --> 01:18:18.900 That I was I don't know that I had I didn't run that scenario 01:18:18.900 --> 01:18:23.800 out fully I maybe I didn't want to but I definitely did not play 01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:26.000 that out entirely like okay if this comes out, 01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:39.300 how am I going to handle it if this is because it's just so 01:18:39.300 --> 01:18:47.900 horrifying but if you if you have nude pictures out there, 01:18:47.900 --> 01:18:51.800 which most people do like don't be ashamed of it. 01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:55.000 And if you got baggage come out come out with it early because 01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:58.200 you know what you take away that power if you do it yourself, 01:18:58.200 --> 01:19:02.000 that's something that I think I wish I had done. 01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:05.600 Is it different also now and then I mean it is possible 01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:07.400 that people have become. 01:19:07.400 --> 01:19:10.200 So in order to be scattered to these kinds of incidents 01:19:10.200 --> 01:19:13.100 that it's no longer fatal to somebody's career in essence. 01:19:13.300 --> 01:19:17.500 If something like this happens now, right, 01:19:17.500 --> 01:19:21.800 I mean that would maybe 20 years ago like a single photo of Gary 01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:24.800 Hart was enough to to end the campaign. 01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:27.400 It would take a lot more than that these days I think right. 01:19:27.400 --> 01:19:31.900 I mean if it were just naked photos, I 01:19:31.900 --> 01:19:34.500 don't know if that would have been enough and I don't it for 01:19:34.500 --> 01:19:37.800 me. I think it was like I said the combination of everything. 01:19:39.900 --> 01:19:44.800 In the moment in time, but but I do think that you know for 01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:48.900 I think I was as we look at a new generation of leaders that 01:19:48.900 --> 01:19:49.700 we grew up online. 01:19:49.700 --> 01:19:53.000 Right? We weave our entire lives have been documented 01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:56.700 by social media and the the new event, 01:19:56.700 --> 01:20:01.200 you know that our consensually shared our normal, 01:20:01.200 --> 01:20:03.700 right? That's not that's not an unusual thing at all. 01:20:03.700 --> 01:20:07.500 And so I think I think that we are going to have to be 01:20:07.500 --> 01:20:10.700 desensitized or or accepting of these kinds of things. 01:20:10.700 --> 01:20:15.400 I also think that you know, a big part of what people are looking 01:20:15.400 --> 01:20:19.000 for now, truly I feel this way in politicians is someone 01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:23.000 who's real someone who identify with who's been through the same 01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:26.800 kinds of things that they have in and it doesn't mean to infection. 01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:30.100 So I hope that things continue to change in the. 01:20:30.100 --> 01:20:33.800 Is that we find a way of reconciling that because I think you 01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:38.000 know specially for women they are fewer of us and so we are held 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:39.700 to a higher level of XP. 01:20:39.900 --> 01:20:43.700 Patient protection and then we hold ourselves to that higher 01:20:43.700 --> 01:20:48.000 level of expectation, but that at a certain point we're going 01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:52.000 to have to where I have to say people who we like to represent 01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:56.500 us relax for the reasons are leadership qualities are what we 01:20:56.500 --> 01:20:59.700 think they can do for us or even that they do but they represent 01:20:59.700 --> 01:21:02.900 us they actually represent the things that we are and the things 01:21:02.900 --> 01:21:07.100 that we've gone through and not but that doesn't mean that they have 01:21:07.100 --> 01:21:10.000 to be this perfect person who's been preparing to be a politician 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:10.900 for their entire lives. 01:21:10.900 --> 01:21:19.400 What's your not having having been out of it a little bit for 01:21:19.400 --> 01:21:22.600 a 3-year now, were you surprised by anything in terms of the 01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:25.700 way the primary race develops and do and how we got to this 01:21:25.700 --> 01:21:31.700 point? I know I'm somewhat disappointed you sure I think you 01:21:31.700 --> 01:21:35.300 don't even like I have a lot of respect for the people who put together 01:21:35.300 --> 01:21:38.000 the convention and and how difficult that has been 01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:39.300 right? I think that 01:21:39.900 --> 01:21:43.500 Evolving and adapting it to this moment with Providence 01:21:43.500 --> 01:21:46.800 just incredibly challenging thing but there are some things 01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:52.800 that I think really show the the the split between an older 01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:56.100 base of Democrats and the younger ones. 01:21:56.100 --> 01:21:59.300 So I was I was talking to somebody earlier that you know, 01:21:59.300 --> 01:22:03.600 a lot of speakers that they've got you've got cases and Clinton 01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:08.700 Bill Clinton and Colin Powell and you know these people who do 01:22:08.700 --> 01:22:11.900 not have any appeal to younger progressives at all. 01:22:11.900 --> 01:22:14.100 And in fact a very off-putting, you know, if 01:22:14.100 --> 01:22:17.100 you've already if you already feel like you have a concern 01:22:17.100 --> 01:22:19.700 about progressives and younger people showing up in November 01:22:19.700 --> 01:22:22.600 because you got Joe Biden at the top of the ticket then to me, 01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:28.800 it seems like a bad mood not be elevated and I almost feel like 01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:33.100 going to wait, you know, Alexandria was set up for the controversy 01:22:33.100 --> 01:22:35.300 that happened with her is because people didn't understand 01:22:35.300 --> 01:22:37.400 this that she was going to be up there in a second for me 01:22:37.400 --> 01:22:41.300 and that that was like, I feel like I should have been You know 01:22:41.300 --> 01:22:44.100 that that really should have been something that was kind of publicized 01:22:44.100 --> 01:22:46.600 beforehand that the role that she was playing that there her 01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:51.700 speaking part her 60 seconds was in fact to Second Bernie 01:22:51.700 --> 01:22:57.500 Sanders nomination. ER I felt like there was a little bit of triangulating 01:22:57.500 --> 01:23:05.800 going on there against against a lot but I felt like I felt 01:23:05.800 --> 01:23:08.200 like it was a bit of a setup to make a controversy that wasn't 01:23:08.200 --> 01:23:09.500 there and I don't you know again, 01:23:09.500 --> 01:23:10.700 I don't know whose fault that was. 01:23:10.700 --> 01:23:14.600 I don't know if it was if it was a media player or if 01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:19.500 it was something that someone just look just think about and 01:23:19.500 --> 01:23:24.000 should have but I really I really think that the campaign 01:23:25.500 --> 01:23:30.100 Need to make an extra effort to to generate that excitement 01:23:30.100 --> 01:23:33.100 or at least acknowledge that the party is moving in a different 01:23:33.100 --> 01:23:40.500 direction. We seen it with the stones and and the other the other 01:23:40.500 --> 01:23:51.100 folks that have one of these and so we do that with what they've done 01:23:51.100 --> 01:23:53.600 so far not to mention so, 01:23:53.600 --> 01:23:57.300 was a great pic still wasn't the favorite for Progressive. 01:23:57.300 --> 01:24:02.400 She was my issues endorser for her presidential campaign 01:24:02.400 --> 01:24:03.400 from the very beginning. 01:24:03.400 --> 01:24:08.900 So I'm I'm a big fan but you got to recognize like that. 01:24:08.900 --> 01:24:10.600 We've got with a big part of our party. 01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:12.600 How are we going to coalesce them? 01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:17.700 And what are you what are you as the DNC you as the whoever's 01:24:17.700 --> 01:24:20.500 in charge of any of these things doing to appeal to them and 01:24:20.500 --> 01:24:23.500 sit and to say we see you we share you would recognize 01:24:23.500 --> 01:24:25.400 that things are changing and that we want you. 01:24:25.500 --> 01:24:30.500 What about this is that are generally Trump Centric message 01:24:30.500 --> 01:24:34.400 above the DNC like a reader book you at one of them's of the 01:24:34.400 --> 01:24:35.100 feeling about it. 01:24:35.100 --> 01:24:39.600 Is that a list of positions that you take on things? 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:41.700 This is very clear here. 01:24:41.700 --> 01:24:44.200 It's your like five things were going to do Paid Family Leave 01:24:44.200 --> 01:24:49.200 etcetera, etcetera. There was so little of that so far with 01:24:49.200 --> 01:24:52.000 the DNC so much of his emphasis on there. 01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:54.000 I know our opponent is an existential threat, 01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:59.200 etc. Etc. It makes me wonder whether they're trying to stress 01:24:59.200 --> 01:25:02.600 are running from this idea that we sent. 01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:03.700 You know, we stand for something. 01:25:03.700 --> 01:25:08.700 Yeah. I think it's I get why right and I think that you know, 01:25:08.700 --> 01:25:12.600 what's going to motivate people in November including progressives 01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:16.500 who might not otherwise have any desire to to vote for someone 01:25:16.500 --> 01:25:20.200 like Joe Biden they're going to do it because of this anti-trump 01:25:20.200 --> 01:25:23.900 sentiment because like we have this just really overwhelming 01:25:23.900 --> 01:25:25.400 sense that our country is not going to serve. 01:25:25.500 --> 01:25:28.800 Another four years of him with our democracy is not going to post 01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:34.500 office. If we do not get rid of this guy. 01:25:34.500 --> 01:25:38.300 So I think that's really the motivating factor Messina simple 01:25:38.300 --> 01:25:45.200 language studies that we that we've been looking at and that's 01:25:45.200 --> 01:25:48.400 the motivator this time around is it is the anti Trump son sentiments 01:25:48.400 --> 01:25:52.800 going to bring him over when you're talking to me at least 01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:53.900 when you're talking to the base. 01:25:53.900 --> 01:25:55.900 That's what you're talking to at the convention, 01:25:55.900 --> 01:26:03.400 right? You're not trying to I don't know what what else you would 01:26:03.400 --> 01:26:05.900 be doing, but it would be nice to say or to hear. 01:26:05.900 --> 01:26:10.000 Okay. We all know we have to get rid of some this is this 01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:12.400 is something like if you if you're not on board with that sentiment 01:26:12.400 --> 01:26:16.500 at this point, then I don't know how to help you and then to 01:26:16.500 --> 01:26:19.700 say like, okay, but we have a we have a a job that we're 01:26:19.700 --> 01:26:22.600 going to do when we get elected which is to clean up that mess 01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:25.200 and I don't understand that at all that's going to be 01:26:25.500 --> 01:26:30.000 Is a lot of damage to undo in every single aspect from pork 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:34.100 foreign policy to Environmental Policy to women's right to know 01:26:34.100 --> 01:26:36.000 everything that we are seeing around race relations, like 01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:49.900 just cleaning up and undoing the damage of the things that 01:26:49.900 --> 01:26:53.600 we're going to prioritize the house in 160 s Congress. 01:26:53.600 --> 01:27:00.500 We passed all of these huge huge measures that would that would 01:27:00.500 --> 01:27:05.300 fundamentally impacts our political system and have laid The 01:27:05.300 --> 01:27:07.500 Benchmark for when Democrats are in power. 01:27:07.500 --> 01:27:08.500 This is what we can do it. 01:27:08.500 --> 01:27:15.000 We passed a family we passed the Equal Pay Act the organizing to 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:17.000 get me most of the bills that I put in there or was 01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:19.200 it Democrats pass, so there should be me. 01:27:19.200 --> 01:27:23.100 There should be a recognition of that and saying if we win Senate 01:27:23.100 --> 01:27:23.400 seats 01:27:25.500 --> 01:27:31.900 Next huge so I don't need to lay out this massive New Vision 01:27:31.900 --> 01:27:34.200 that we haven't heard before but just say these are things 01:27:34.200 --> 01:27:35.600 that you can count on if we're in charge. 01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:39.400 I mean, I think that the Dems I mean I'm very cynical about 01:27:39.400 --> 01:27:43.600 them. I mean from from the left perspective not from the right, 01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:47.100 but you know, they were removed something from the platform. 01:27:47.100 --> 01:27:55.700 There was a fossil fuel pledge fuel subsidies from the platform. 01:27:55.700 --> 01:28:00.100 They you know, not not embracing medicare-for-all 01:28:00.100 --> 01:28:04.100 which is something you didn't Bryce and I think that you know 01:28:04.100 --> 01:28:08.500 something that I think the Dems got a lot of mileage out of just 01:28:08.500 --> 01:28:09.900 running against Trump. 01:28:09.900 --> 01:28:12.500 I don't think I don't think it's enough and I think it's a way 01:28:12.500 --> 01:28:15.800 to not actually I do certain things that their donors don't 01:28:15.800 --> 01:28:19.100 want them to do when you get to say how terrible he is and 01:28:19.100 --> 01:28:21.800 you don't Pelosi drips up the speech and yeah. 01:28:25.500 --> 01:28:29.000 You don't have to have like all the data and and all the numbers 01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:31.300 but I do think you're explaining, you know, 01:28:31.300 --> 01:28:34.100 yeah, and you even have things that you can point to that you can 01:28:34.100 --> 01:28:37.400 say that literally if we maintain the majority in the house 01:28:37.400 --> 01:28:40.300 is in the things just like list gun reform, 01:28:40.300 --> 01:28:43.100 you know, you can like literally just list them off and be like, 01:28:43.100 --> 01:28:45.000 these are already set up the bills are written. 01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:50.100 They have already passed one branch and they passed the house and 01:28:50.100 --> 01:28:50.700 you pass the sac. 01:28:50.700 --> 01:28:52.600 So if we get to pass in the Senate, 01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:54.700 we should we should knock those out right away. 01:28:54.700 --> 01:28:57.600 It's going to be the same majority is there's no reason that 01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:00.300 it would pass before I shouldn't pass again and it's I think 01:29:00.300 --> 01:29:04.500 that we should we should be here by then, 01:29:04.500 --> 01:29:08.900 Let's say that within 90 days we can sign some massive bills 01:29:08.900 --> 01:29:12.700 and and you know, tell me that that wouldn't Inspire some people 01:29:12.700 --> 01:29:15.500 write like even if it's not something is to just Medicare 01:29:15.500 --> 01:29:17.600 for all I know is going to just be us. 01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:21.600 I know from the the technical side like how you actually 01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:24.300 traps that policy is going to be a freaking nightmare and I'm 01:29:24.300 --> 01:29:26.900 not even talking about the log Is that are going to be trying 01:29:26.900 --> 01:29:28.300 to mess with it? 01:29:28.300 --> 01:29:29.500 Cuz you're going to be hard. 01:29:29.500 --> 01:29:33.300 So I see that as like a like a lot of work and whatever 01:29:33.300 --> 01:29:35.900 the next Healthcare policy is going to take us closer and closer 01:29:35.900 --> 01:29:40.500 to that. But you know, I so I don't want I don't want somebody 01:29:40.500 --> 01:29:43.600 to do to try and pretend that they're going to get Medicare 01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:46.800 for all done in the first year or two years or whatever 01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:49.400 but you certainly can say that you're going to get a lot of these 01:29:49.400 --> 01:29:52.600 things done because you got a legislature that's going to work 01:29:52.600 --> 01:29:53.200 with you on it. 01:29:53.200 --> 01:30:05.400 But that's a lot of people always talk about when they first 01:30:05.400 --> 01:30:10.300 get the Congress how amazed they are at how Byzantine and and 01:30:10.300 --> 01:30:13.400 convoluted the system is you know, oh my God, 01:30:13.400 --> 01:30:17.200 I had no idea that the rules committee is this is this complicated 01:30:17.200 --> 01:30:20.500 and you have to do these 19 different things in order to get 01:30:20.500 --> 01:30:24.900 him a bill to the floor of the most surprising or or strange. 01:30:25.400 --> 01:30:28.900 Discovery upon getting to the house about how the hell that 01:30:28.900 --> 01:30:34.600 place works. Oh, yeah, the procedures are wild like they're 01:30:34.600 --> 01:30:39.000 they're not ones that you even that you that you totally 01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:42.300 grass that all I gave their parliamentary their parliamentary 01:30:42.300 --> 01:30:45.000 procedures and a parliamentarian who's making sure that you're 01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:47.900 following all these procedures that most members of Congress 01:30:47.900 --> 01:30:50.500 like never really get your part of the rules committee 01:30:50.500 --> 01:30:54.700 or less your you actively have a reason to be involved in this 01:30:54.700 --> 01:30:57.600 so it's it. 01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:00.200 Yeah, those those pieces are just insane. 01:31:00.200 --> 01:31:06.400 I also I also didn't realize just how how things get prioritize 01:31:06.400 --> 01:31:11.100 and how much how many things get lumped into these big must 01:31:11.100 --> 01:31:14.200 pass bills. Like how important Appropriations bills are because 01:31:14.200 --> 01:31:16.300 of what else gets into them and I don't think that that's 01:31:16.300 --> 01:31:19.400 a you know, I I don't see it as a bad thing necessarily. 01:31:19.400 --> 01:31:24.000 I think that when he's got this hyper-partisan environment 01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:24.300 where 01:31:25.400 --> 01:31:29.200 Don't want to work with us on anyting then pretty much your 01:31:29.200 --> 01:31:30.800 only lover drama. 01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:34.400 Negotiating power is keeping the government open or funding 01:31:34.400 --> 01:31:37.700 the military like those are the two that you can put things 01:31:37.700 --> 01:31:38.600 into that stuff. 01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:41.800 We got we got we got paid family leave in for the first time. 01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:49.900 It's good to know that I was but like we couldn't have gotten 01:31:49.900 --> 01:31:53.300 that done independently a week and it got done at all if it weren't 01:31:53.300 --> 01:31:56.700 for the NBA and there are a whole bunch of things with an appropriation 01:31:56.700 --> 01:32:00.200 increase funding for a certain programs including social programs 01:32:00.200 --> 01:32:05.600 that let you know as a standalone issue wouldn't work at all 01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:07.800 not because there's a lack of Will on one side, 01:32:07.800 --> 01:32:11.400 but because there's no ability to do that with the other side. 01:32:11.400 --> 01:32:16.700 So and if it's something that I think it would be helpful 01:32:16.700 --> 01:32:19.900 for people to understand better how Appropriations 01:32:19.900 --> 01:32:20.300 working. 01:32:20.900 --> 01:32:25.300 I am you like I didn't even really think about this before 01:32:25.300 --> 01:32:28.100 I always thought that there was a negative that your marks 01:32:28.100 --> 01:32:30.800 were a negative staying or you know negative association 01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:35.300 with it. But your marks can be really valuable and like as a member, 01:32:35.300 --> 01:32:38.100 you know your District better than anything else. 01:32:38.100 --> 01:32:43.200 So if you you know that like this bridge is super important 01:32:43.200 --> 01:32:47.000 for you to start I had I had a specific set of asks for 01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:48.800 my district that you don't know. 01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:52.500 No better all agency is going to be able to do so, 01:32:52.500 --> 01:32:54.300 if you're as a member of Congress are supposed to represent. 01:32:54.300 --> 01:32:58.900 I would like to see those come back and I don't have a problem 01:32:58.900 --> 01:33:01.300 with them. It's just you know, you have to recognize that how 01:33:01.300 --> 01:33:11.900 that's how things work right in audit for you know that took 01:33:11.900 --> 01:33:16.800 a million years even take place in the whole story of how he even 01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:21.400 got there is is an incredible Shaggy Dog tail do you have Dogs 01:33:21.400 --> 01:33:28.900 as to what can be done to a rain in military spending or or 01:33:28.900 --> 01:33:34.100 be at least get it to the point where its finances are understandable 01:33:34.100 --> 01:33:36.900 and can actually be accounted for her. 01:33:36.900 --> 01:33:46.000 When is that there needs to be a mandate from hiya that has insisted 01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:49.000 leadership because when you're having turnover of the secretaries 01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:53.400 like crazy you you're not going to have anyone who's able to actually 01:33:53.400 --> 01:33:55.300 follow through with it. 01:33:55.300 --> 01:33:59.200 Who is ensuring that accountability coming all the way up? 01:33:59.200 --> 01:34:04.600 So I had we had a early on we had a few different people, 01:34:04.600 --> 01:34:06.900 you know, the secretary of the Navy I thought was really on top 01:34:06.900 --> 01:34:09.500 of it the secretary of the Air Force. 01:34:09.500 --> 01:34:16.700 They're all gone and you don't even even the the whole thing 01:34:16.700 --> 01:34:18.100 has been unreal out of this Administration. 01:34:20.900 --> 01:34:22.200 You're having Congress bring them back. 01:34:23.300 --> 01:34:25.100 Again, and again and again and saying, 01:34:25.100 --> 01:34:26.300 okay, where's the audit? 01:34:26.300 --> 01:34:27.600 What is an N. 01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:31.100 I would say that we have to set much more incremental 01:34:31.100 --> 01:34:33.700 benchmarks than saying audit the entire thing. 01:34:33.700 --> 01:34:37.800 I would say we need to say OK audit this program or give me 01:34:37.800 --> 01:34:39.200 the the you know, 01:34:40.500 --> 01:34:42.500 I don't know why I would have to look at it to figure out 01:34:42.500 --> 01:34:47.100 exactly what we're we should start but one giant thing is is often 01:34:47.100 --> 01:34:49.100 kind of impossible to touch. 01:34:49.100 --> 01:34:54.900 I also think that we should look at it at the military as more 01:34:54.900 --> 01:34:59.700 than something for defense because it really is it is our largest 01:34:59.700 --> 01:35:06.200 subsidized Job Program for largely low-income people and that's 01:35:06.200 --> 01:35:10.400 often lost over but it's the military has the way out of poverty 01:35:10.400 --> 01:35:15.300 for so many people and it's not it doesn't have to be a war 01:35:15.300 --> 01:35:16.200 fighting thing. Right? 01:35:16.200 --> 01:35:20.000 It doesn't have to be under this premise of save America 01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:20.900 World Police kind of thing. 01:35:20.900 --> 01:35:24.800 I think that what we should be doing is if we're if we're already 01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:27.700 willing to pay for a subsidized Job Program by the federal 01:35:27.700 --> 01:35:30.600 government. We should deploy those resources and actually 01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:33.600 call them what they are and use them for transportation 01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:36.000 and infrastructure and use them for you know, 01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:38.400 these environmental issues and that I think that would be a lot 01:35:38.400 --> 01:35:40.200 more effective than having troops trained for 01:35:40.500 --> 01:35:43.300 Is military exercises that are never going to actually need 01:35:43.300 --> 01:35:43.900 to be to play. 01:35:43.900 --> 01:35:51.000 The other thing is that there's a there is a very real job issue 01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:52.900 with each of these things out. 01:35:52.900 --> 01:35:55.700 I was in the district where and the reason I ended up on armed 01:35:55.700 --> 01:36:01.400 services. We we were major manufacturers of F-35 sand of the 01:36:01.400 --> 01:36:05.200 the next bomber and that would literally and would probably 01:36:05.200 --> 01:36:08.300 a military projects literally employee probably a hundred 01:36:08.300 --> 01:36:09.400 thousand people in my district. 01:36:09.400 --> 01:36:12.400 So when you're when you start cutting those programs like you 01:36:12.400 --> 01:36:15.500 are losing jobs, and so their house if you want to do that there 01:36:15.500 --> 01:36:18.400 has to be a meaningful transition into what we're finding 01:36:18.400 --> 01:36:22.800 instead. So it's not as simple as saying like you need to 5% across-the-board 01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:25.600 Cuts is like really, where is that coming from? 01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:27.200 What jobs are going to be impacted? 01:36:27.200 --> 01:36:28.500 And what can we do? 01:36:28.500 --> 01:36:30.900 You know, what are we are how we're going to spend it and said, 01:36:30.900 --> 01:36:36.000 so I guess I was more sympathetic to military spending because 01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:38.500 of my role on armed services and because I recognized 01:36:38.500 --> 01:36:40.300 how much it was they were human. 01:36:40.500 --> 01:36:44.100 Locations that have nothing to do with you know wars in Afghanistan 01:36:44.100 --> 01:36:48.000 or Iraq or military preparedness or anything like that. 01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:58.600 The whole strength is deterrence as a concept that I didn't 01:36:58.600 --> 01:37:02.600 agree with nearly as much as as I did after having spent the 01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:06.900 time in the in the back room getting the Intel that you wouldn't 01:37:06.900 --> 01:37:17.000 get on the outside, but it's a it's a major issue so much money 01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:29.600 on it that needs to go to other things because I didn't take 01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:30.000 corporate money. 01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:34.900 So, you know they're their Leverage is limited the ones that 01:37:34.900 --> 01:37:38.200 I was popular with it was because we had a common interest 01:37:38.200 --> 01:37:41.500 because I was already on their side for something or because 01:37:41.500 --> 01:37:45.100 I cared about jobs in my district or you know, 01:37:45.100 --> 01:37:45.900 something like that. 01:37:45.900 --> 01:37:50.200 So the the Lockheed Martin and Northrup lobbyist did like me because 01:37:50.200 --> 01:37:51.800 I was going to advocate for those jobs anyway, 01:37:51.800 --> 01:37:54.800 but it had nothing to do with like I never took a dime from 01:37:54.800 --> 01:37:58.100 my predecessor my Republican predecessor sure did and I'm willing to 01:37:58.100 --> 01:38:02.000 bet you in the very short time that the replacement 01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:08.200 has been in there when they weren't giving it to me, 01:38:08.200 --> 01:38:12.600 but but it didn't it didn't mean anything about how we vote 01:38:12.600 --> 01:38:15.400 differently or how we would represent the district differently. 01:38:15.400 --> 01:38:21.300 So the more story I don't know if you're caught up on it, 01:38:21.300 --> 01:38:24.300 but it looks like it was a setup or a lot of it was 01:38:24.300 --> 01:38:27.800 fabricated and some Democrats in the Massachusetts 01:38:27.800 --> 01:38:30.100 party at least were. 01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:35.500 We're help coaching some a few students in in creating this 01:38:35.500 --> 01:38:43.400 narrative. How did you feel when you were observing it still 01:38:43.400 --> 01:38:45.400 homophobia or in my case? 01:38:45.400 --> 01:38:47.900 There's biphobia & The Sensational ization around it. 01:38:47.900 --> 01:38:53.000 I think that that has to really be paid attention to and and 01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:57.700 you know, especially now that we we do have this issue around 01:38:57.700 --> 01:39:02.100 me to how is that people know that can be weaponized right 01:39:02.100 --> 01:39:04.600 and even within our own party, we know that that can be weaponized. 01:39:04.600 --> 01:39:10.400 So if you see someone who is who's the threat for whatever 01:39:10.400 --> 01:39:15.200 reason you could very possibly be dredging up things that imply 01:39:15.200 --> 01:39:18.500 that somebody's done these things that they even have it or taking 01:39:18.500 --> 01:39:20.400 it out of context or or whatever. 01:39:20.400 --> 01:39:21.000 It might be. 01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:23.500 So I'm I don't know Alex personally. 01:39:23.500 --> 01:39:25.800 I don't you know, and I have I've only 01:39:26.500 --> 01:39:31.100 I've been following the story as much as I can but it's not not 01:39:31.100 --> 01:39:32.600 like intimately involved in it in any way, 01:39:32.600 --> 01:39:36.500 but I do know that you see these things that are very much tied 01:39:36.500 --> 01:39:41.900 to conceptions of people that are on LGBT issues for a long 01:39:41.900 --> 01:39:46.200 time and play on that fear or that lack of information 01:39:46.200 --> 01:39:49.400 and I hope that we continue to call those out wherever we see 01:39:49.400 --> 01:39:53.800 him will thank you so much for coming on and good luck with 01:39:53.800 --> 01:40:03.200 the book, which is really interesting and you will move check 01:40:03.200 --> 01:40:03.500 in with you again. 01:40:10.700 --> 01:40:14.700 I think she's going to end up back in politics, 01:40:14.700 --> 01:40:25.500 you know, she was probably on her way to being as popular 01:40:25.500 --> 01:40:30.600 as or as well-known member of Congress has any of the other 01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:35.000 members of the squad when this happened and she's really representative 01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:39.600 of this new generation of young Progressive politicians. 01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:42.500 So you're not. 01:40:42.500 --> 01:40:47.100 It was a completely ethically uncomplicated situation that involved 01:40:47.100 --> 01:40:52.000 with but the real danger is that we shouldn't, 01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:54.600 you know their sex scandals and then there's a salt and then 01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:57.200 there's harassment and often all of those things get called 01:40:57.200 --> 01:41:01.200 candles, which I think really actually trivializes the assault 01:41:01.200 --> 01:41:02.700 and harassment parts of it. 01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:14.100 That she was going through that our staffers were going through 01:41:14.100 --> 01:41:19.700 and also the political discretion that it was creating and you 01:41:19.700 --> 01:41:26.000 know the question because Alex Maurice when faced with something 01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:28.300 similar, I mean, it wasn't nearly on that scale. 01:41:28.300 --> 01:41:32.700 I don't think but you know, he made the calculation that he had 01:41:32.700 --> 01:41:34.300 to stand up to it and keep going. 01:41:34.300 --> 01:41:37.800 I don't know it's a different thing but it's something 01:41:37.800 --> 01:41:41.100 that I think politicians the internet it is you're going to do, 01:41:41.100 --> 01:41:44.400 you know, that's that's going to have to be part of being a politician 01:41:44.400 --> 01:41:48.000 going forward is like being willing to go to put up with stuff 01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:56.100 like this really really cool and I will see you again next week 01:41:56.100 --> 01:42:01.200 be waiting review many many stars many many stars.