WEBVTT 00:00:06.100 --> 00:00:07.900 Hey everyone. Welcome back to Jane Tech. 00:00:07.900 --> 00:00:10.400 I'm Julia Beauchamp and I'm here with Computer World executive 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:13.300 editor can Mingus as well as macworld executive editor. 00:00:13.300 --> 00:00:15.800 Michael Symon. We are alive on YouTube, 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:17.800 as well as on the computer World LinkedIn page. 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:20.000 So, if you have any questions or comments while we're discussing, 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:22.600 please, do you leave them in a live chat or the comments. 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:25.200 And we'll do our very best to get back to you while we are 00:00:25.200 --> 00:00:30.500 actually live. So moving then on to the topic of the day, 00:00:30.500 --> 00:00:34.300 so I wanted to talk to David about like the future of mobile 00:00:34.300 --> 00:00:36.200 mobile Trends. It kind of seems like, 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:39.700 first of all, everyone's kind of doing the same thing and there's 00:00:39.700 --> 00:00:42.700 kind of a lot of gimmicks going on just yesterday. 00:00:42.700 --> 00:00:46.300 Microsoft launched were announced rather, doesn't it doesn't 00:00:46.300 --> 00:00:47.600 really is quite yet. 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:49.700 There might be a Surface 2 of 2, 00:00:49.700 --> 00:00:50.900 which is a folding phone. 00:00:50.900 --> 00:00:53.000 It's really not the first building phone ever released, 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:55.400 but I thought it was interesting would be interesting 00:00:55.400 --> 00:00:56.800 to talk about, you know, where is, 00:00:56.800 --> 00:00:59.300 where is the mobile industry going? 00:00:59.300 --> 00:01:02.600 Is this is this, it just a gimmick is in, 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:03.700 like, 5 years. 00:01:03.700 --> 00:01:05.900 Are we all going to laugh about folding phone? 00:01:06.100 --> 00:01:08.100 I want to talk about that. 00:01:08.100 --> 00:01:09.800 So I guess. 00:01:09.800 --> 00:01:20.900 Yeah, I think it's, I don't know. 00:01:20.900 --> 00:01:22.400 I think I certainly am. 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:24.800 Is it? Certainly it just speaking for myself here, 00:01:24.800 --> 00:01:25.900 when I'm looking at a folding phone. 00:01:25.900 --> 00:01:28.200 I'm not thinking, oh, yeah, it's something I've used every 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:31.800 day, but maybe it's because I don't have one. 00:01:31.800 --> 00:01:50.900 Maybe I'm in the open between them and they work mostly separately 00:01:50.900 --> 00:01:51.900 independently of each other. 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:59.200 Where is the the galaxy galaxy Z fold three, 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:00.700 which is the worst name ever. 00:02:00.700 --> 00:02:07.300 That's a true screen that that opens into a fold into a larger 00:02:07.300 --> 00:02:07.600 one. 00:02:08.500 --> 00:02:12.500 Now, the question is, what's the point, 00:02:12.500 --> 00:02:15.900 right? Like, why do we need this stuff? 00:02:15.900 --> 00:02:17.700 So Apple just came out the iPad Mini, 00:02:17.700 --> 00:02:32.200 which is, in my mind the perfect mostly 85, 00:02:32.200 --> 00:02:36.000 + percent screen to body ratio, very thin very light, 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:36.900 all that stuff was fantastic. 00:02:36.900 --> 00:02:38.500 Now, 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:46.900 The concept of a folding phone would be to take that and sold 00:02:46.900 --> 00:02:49.000 it so you can put it in your pocket. 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:50.700 What are you really doing? 00:02:50.700 --> 00:02:54.500 Right? What do you really mean? 00:02:54.500 --> 00:02:56.300 What what are you gaining by doing? 00:02:56.300 --> 00:02:58.400 And that's the, that's the question. 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:00.000 Is it a tablet? 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:00.600 Is it a phone? 00:03:00.600 --> 00:03:02.500 I've used them. 00:03:03.600 --> 00:03:05.500 Not for any like real extended. Of 00:03:05.500 --> 00:03:06.400 time, but I'll try them. 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:07.600 And I guess that is definitely a wow, 00:03:07.600 --> 00:03:11.300 factor is cool when you do it once that wears off. 00:03:12.600 --> 00:03:16.400 You kind of have I want to the worst of Both Worlds, 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:21.100 but the mediocre of Both Worlds, where is it's not really 00:03:21.100 --> 00:03:25.200 a great phone and it's not really a great tablet. 00:03:25.200 --> 00:03:31.200 So you have this very thick, very fragile device. 00:03:31.200 --> 00:03:34.800 That doesn't do things quite as well as a as like the iPhone 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:39.500 13 or as well as her iPad Pro with the iPad Air, 00:03:39.500 --> 00:03:43.000 like a mini and your kind of in-between here. 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:45.700 Now, what would like us others doing, 00:03:45.700 --> 00:03:49.400 I kind of like, because they're emphasizing the productivity 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:58.000 aspect less of phone and more of a device to get work done and 00:03:58.000 --> 00:03:59.600 it's a it's a style windows. 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:04.100 They're probably better position for a good succeed, 00:04:04.100 --> 00:04:06.900 but it's not going to succeed because first of all the way too 00:04:06.900 --> 00:04:10.700 expensive by Android phone for Microsoft. 00:04:10.700 --> 00:04:12.000 So there's did that to her tools. 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:15.600 And the third one is that you really need to be connected 00:04:15.600 --> 00:04:19.900 to stump ecosystem for all of this to work. 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:26.100 So apple is position to probably blow this Market open. 00:04:26.100 --> 00:04:33.600 I just don't know that they're ever going to do it because 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:35.800 it's about connectivity. 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:39.100 It's about locking, ecosystem walking. 00:04:39.100 --> 00:04:41.400 When you, cuz you're combining two products that you would 00:04:41.400 --> 00:04:42.000 buy separately. 00:04:42.900 --> 00:04:47.300 And you know, Samsung does Samsung doesn't have the ecosystem 00:04:47.300 --> 00:04:54.700 monopolize, Microsoft doesn't matter, but not on the tablet 00:04:54.700 --> 00:04:57.100 side surfaces surfaces. That 00:04:57.100 --> 00:04:59.700 is if it's a PC to iPad is a, 00:04:59.700 --> 00:05:02.600 is a is a portable different. 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:11.300 So you throw a phone and work and Samsung doesn't have just 00:05:11.300 --> 00:05:20.800 did something there about the Samsung Galaxy interface 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:26.300 that people just don't stay with or use in the in in the way 00:05:26.300 --> 00:05:29.600 that that they use iOS in in TVO F and all that stuff combined. 00:05:31.700 --> 00:05:35.200 I'm just going to say real quick to to Juliet's earlier point 00:05:35.200 --> 00:05:37.200 about where is Mobile going. 00:05:37.200 --> 00:05:40.500 And we were talking about this a few minutes ago in the issue 00:05:40.500 --> 00:05:41.800 here to me seems to be that, 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.400 you know, innovation has sort of slowed here. 00:05:45.400 --> 00:05:47.600 I mean we're talking about the surface Duo 2, 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:51.200 which has at best a mixed-use case. 00:05:51.200 --> 00:05:53.100 It's a lot of cool technology. 00:05:53.100 --> 00:05:56.400 There's been a lot of money spent on developing it and at the 00:05:56.400 --> 00:05:59.500 hardware and software, you know, this is also the week that 00:05:59.500 --> 00:06:03.300 the iPhone 1313 Pro arrive, great devices, 00:06:03.300 --> 00:06:08.100 once again, iterative not really specifically Innovative 00:06:08.100 --> 00:06:09.200 Dental in a larger scale. 00:06:09.200 --> 00:06:11.400 I know there's lots of things and apple does with the phone, 00:06:11.400 --> 00:06:14.700 the battery that promotion screen, all the things that add up 00:06:14.700 --> 00:06:18.700 to the, the iPhone experience, but the iPhone that's going 00:06:18.700 --> 00:06:20.400 to arrive on the 24th. 00:06:20.400 --> 00:06:23.700 Tomorrow, you know, doesn't look that much different from one 00:06:23.700 --> 00:06:26.600 five years ago or even radically different from one, 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:28.400 you know, 10 years ago. 00:06:28.400 --> 00:06:30.100 And I just wonder if, you know, 00:06:30.100 --> 00:06:31.500 are we at a point now, where? 00:06:31.700 --> 00:06:35.000 Companies like Microsoft because they've got the money to spend 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:37.600 on this. Kind of research are sort of throwing spaghetti 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:39.500 at the wall to see what sticks, 00:06:39.500 --> 00:06:42.700 which is why the duo who exists and, 00:06:42.700 --> 00:06:46.100 you know, and waiting to see if an audience or Market will build 00:06:46.100 --> 00:06:47.000 for it is that the you know, 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:54.300 the case and apple famously says $1,000. 00:06:54.300 --> 00:06:55.700 For every yes, they don't need a republican. 00:06:55.700 --> 00:06:57.700 So 00:07:08.500 --> 00:07:11.000 In the sense that they're not going to read some news about. 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:18.500 Let's, let's see if people want this but if you look at the original 00:07:18.500 --> 00:07:22.100 Apple watch the original iPhone, the original back for that 00:07:22.100 --> 00:07:26.500 matter. Everything that came after weather Innovative 00:07:26.500 --> 00:07:27.500 or or iterative. 00:07:27.500 --> 00:07:31.100 It's all an evolution of that original concept. 00:07:31.100 --> 00:07:34.100 They don't scrap it all Android TV. 00:07:34.100 --> 00:07:36.900 Apple watches a good example because that's changed a lot since 00:07:36.900 --> 00:07:38.700 its launch and I was only 2015. 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:44.500 But the core concept of what it is and what it does is the 00:07:44.500 --> 00:07:47.000 same, you know, it looks essentially the same, 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.200 it does the fitness thing, the messaging and obviously, 00:07:51.200 --> 00:07:54.200 you know, time in the notification and things that been around 00:07:54.200 --> 00:07:57.300 your wrist and it has changed. 00:07:57.300 --> 00:08:00.600 A lot of the functionality has changed a lot at cellular 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:02.000 does a lot of things about a phone now, 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:03.400 and then I need to stuff like that. 00:08:03.400 --> 00:08:07.800 But what Apple presented to us in 2015, 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:11.600 as the Apple watch, is essentially the same thing with the iPhone. 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:13.200 I mean, you put an iPhone one, 00:08:13.200 --> 00:08:19.900 but the corner except is the same that that's what I mean. 00:08:19.900 --> 00:08:23.300 Yes. I mean obviously there's been so much that's that's happened 00:08:23.300 --> 00:08:25.000 in the last, you know, 15 14, 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:28.300 15 years on the phone, just put it in terms of, 00:08:28.300 --> 00:08:29.100 you know, what it is. 00:08:29.100 --> 00:08:29.900 What it does. 00:08:29.900 --> 00:08:32.100 Other than the addition of saying, you know, 00:08:32.100 --> 00:08:33.300 apps and the camera. I mean 00:08:33.300 --> 00:08:36.000 obviously, you know, the iPhone started off as a phone 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.600 with a screen and now it's basically a camera with a phone 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:39.300 right now. 00:08:39.800 --> 00:08:42.700 When you when you look at how apple is pitching the new iPhones 00:08:42.700 --> 00:08:46.700 this year. It's all about photography and video and, 00:08:46.700 --> 00:08:52.300 you know, the systematic or Cinema, whatever that video mode 00:08:52.300 --> 00:08:58.200 is bionic and you can get a terabyte of storage and you got five, 00:08:58.200 --> 00:08:59.600 do whatever but it's all about that. 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:04.800 And if they took a look at the first or second generation, 00:09:04.800 --> 00:09:07.900 look to see what people are doing with them and then kind of went in 00:09:07.900 --> 00:09:11.000 that direction, along with him, a lot of Health stuff Fitness 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:16.400 stuff. I pay attention, but they also don't like the point 00:09:16.400 --> 00:09:16.900 of all this is 00:09:18.300 --> 00:09:20.200 We may never see a folding phone or not. 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:25.000 But if we do, it's going to be one that has a solid foundation 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:27.400 to stop. Like they're going to have up here. 00:09:27.400 --> 00:09:28.800 This is why we're doing this. 00:09:28.800 --> 00:09:30.300 It's not going to be. 00:09:30.300 --> 00:09:33.600 Well, we have this technology, we can fold glass. 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.000 So let's make a phone and then we'll figure out the rest later, 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:39.200 like know that the concept is going to start. 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:42.300 Like, this is why we need this and here's a device. 00:09:42.300 --> 00:09:44.500 If you need to do with it. 00:09:44.500 --> 00:09:47.500 That's if you, if you look at every Apple product introduction. 00:09:48.300 --> 00:09:53.600 They start with why we're making, this is what you're going 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:54.100 to do with it. 00:09:54.100 --> 00:09:56.900 This is what it's for, and then they show it to him. 00:09:56.900 --> 00:10:02.600 He was famous with that because he would like easy Bill do remember 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:13.200 the MacBook Air out of Hollis and slick, 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:17.100 but the point was, the product is the, 00:10:17.100 --> 00:10:21.200 the, the the part where is the end result of all this stuff 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:23.300 that we're the engineering? 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.100 Is on the inside and the concept. 00:10:26.100 --> 00:10:27.300 And the end, the end, the end, 00:10:27.300 --> 00:10:31.100 the strategy. And then we build this beautiful thing around 00:10:31.100 --> 00:10:37.700 all that. So a folding phone Apple can do that. 00:10:37.700 --> 00:10:38.600 Sure. It's cool. 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:39.500 I'm people would buy it. 00:10:39.500 --> 00:10:42.200 But what's the, what's the, what's the point? 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:44.500 What's the reason for it to exist? 00:10:44.500 --> 00:10:49.100 He said, the iPhone is interested too. 00:10:49.100 --> 00:10:53.100 Fantastic,. Probably the best if not the best right up there. 00:10:53.100 --> 00:10:57.900 And that's what it's about into, but the core positive of the 00:10:57.900 --> 00:11:03.500 iPhone, but it's still a revolutionary internet Communicator 00:11:03.500 --> 00:11:06.300 that fits in your pocket is the same as it is, 00:11:06.300 --> 00:11:07.300 what it was. 00:11:07.300 --> 00:11:09.400 And that's, that's apples. 00:11:09.400 --> 00:11:12.900 Whole concept of really why they do all of this stuff. 00:11:12.900 --> 00:11:16.300 I would love to take a walk through. 00:11:16.300 --> 00:11:19.900 Johnny Ives off basement one day and see all the things I didn't 00:11:19.900 --> 00:11:21.300 get me cuz you know, 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.800 Whoever's doing it just to see like all the things that they 00:11:28.800 --> 00:11:37.500 did say no to your butt. 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:51.000 And and that's that's what makes Apple special in my mind. 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.500 Go ahead. That's exactly what I was. 00:11:53.500 --> 00:11:59.800 Sort of going to ask is along the lines of like I guess we 00:11:59.800 --> 00:12:03.900 can theorize all day long like whether or not folded phones 00:12:03.900 --> 00:12:07.200 are like a thing that are truly here to stay. 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:12.200 But I am wondering and I know you guys don't have a hard numbers. 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:15.700 I am wondering, truly how many people have? 00:12:15.700 --> 00:12:16.800 A folding phone? 00:12:16.800 --> 00:12:18.600 If you have one, please do let us know. 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.400 I would love to be corrected on this point, 00:12:21.400 --> 00:12:24.300 but is it useful? 00:12:24.300 --> 00:12:26.700 Is it improving your life? 00:12:26.700 --> 00:12:28.000 Anyway, I mean, it's early. 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:29.300 I'm sure it is cool. 00:12:29.300 --> 00:12:31.100 But to that and I'm wondering like, 00:12:31.100 --> 00:12:34.900 is there a market enough for a folding folding phone? 00:12:36.100 --> 00:12:50.600 Is 23 Generation review purposes, or support that I've never 00:12:50.600 --> 00:13:01.200 seen a full day and I've never seen one. 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:07.900 I haven't either, but I think the last number is less soft numbers. 00:13:07.900 --> 00:13:10.000 We saw were a few million. 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:11.200 Like, they're they're selling. 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:14.300 That's, that's over a year and changing, 00:13:14.300 --> 00:13:14.800 you know that. 00:13:14.800 --> 00:13:18.500 But the, the I don't think they're ever going to reach the point, 00:13:18.500 --> 00:13:22.900 but it's going to be a while before they reached the point 00:13:22.900 --> 00:13:27.600 where they say, supplant the the, the the regular things or using a 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:29.300 phone and a tablet, and a computer. 00:13:29.300 --> 00:13:32.900 And maybe there's something there and maybe there is a way to 00:13:32.900 --> 00:13:35.900 combine all these devices into something that we can put in. 00:13:36.100 --> 00:13:40.200 I can open up and we use a closet but it just right now, 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:49.500 it's a cool thing I can do that on this. 00:13:49.500 --> 00:13:52.400 But but but look at it's if it's in my pocket, 00:13:52.400 --> 00:13:59.600 but yeah, so does my reason for this thing to exist? 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:01.500 That's my biggest problem with 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:03.700 Folding phones. Really? 00:14:03.700 --> 00:14:07.100 In general. Yeah, I do feel like it's the kind of thing that 00:14:07.100 --> 00:14:11.200 you need. I mean at least for the time being again. 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:12.000 I don't want to say anything. 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:17.400 And then years from now it's going to come back forever Juliet. 00:14:17.400 --> 00:14:25.400 Kind of thing that you need a specific at 4 to become like a 00:14:25.400 --> 00:14:28.600 true mainstream. Now to school party drink if you need a specific 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:30.200 use case for something like this. 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:34.400 And I'm wondering if that use case is going to come. 00:14:34.400 --> 00:14:36.500 I can't think of one off of the top of my head, 00:14:36.500 --> 00:14:40.700 but I'm sure that there is one has followed wherever they're 00:14:40.700 --> 00:14:41.500 making Fulton films. 00:14:41.500 --> 00:14:42.700 I mean, maybe I have the same. 00:14:42.700 --> 00:14:47.300 I have the same questions about AR glasses and it has to be a 00:14:47.300 --> 00:14:51.600 reason for it to exist. 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:54.300 And right now, I don't see. 00:14:54.300 --> 00:14:57.200 And I'm not surprised that Apple has it entered. 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:59.600 This space and I'm not surprised at their date. 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:02.000 There's no rumors suggesting they going to do it next year or 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:03.000 even really that you're at. 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:06.300 The room is like 2025 and Beyond and I'm sure they're working 00:15:06.300 --> 00:15:07.500 on them for the airport. 00:15:07.500 --> 00:15:10.200 I'm sure there are production. 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.100 You know, this is what they do. 00:15:12.100 --> 00:15:13.300 They had to spend it. 00:15:17.300 --> 00:15:22.400 To make, you know, the the very iterative iPhone 13 that we see 00:15:22.400 --> 00:15:32.300 before us and you know, how that seemed to be a bit of a 00:15:32.300 --> 00:15:35.400 surprise breakout star from the event last week. 00:15:35.400 --> 00:15:37.900 Jonny Evans on computer world had a piece. 00:15:37.900 --> 00:15:41.300 I think it was this week talking about agreeing with that and 00:15:41.300 --> 00:15:44.200 saying that Apple should take the iPad mini and end release 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:45.600 the pro version of it. 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:47.200 Any thoughts around that? 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:49.100 Do you think if you think that would be successful? You 00:15:49.100 --> 00:15:55.600 know, what mini the mini probe me? 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:57.500 An iPad Pro Mini? 00:16:04.100 --> 00:16:17.600 Whatever an iPad Pro does, an iPad Mini has an S15 processor 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:20.700 and has apple pencil 2 support as USB C and has up to 24. This 00:16:20.700 --> 00:16:23.100 is big, but the storage that has an 8.3 liquid Retina 00:16:23.100 --> 00:16:26.800 Display. What more do you need from it? 00:16:26.800 --> 00:16:31.300 That you don't have strep throat, so I don't think I mean, 00:16:31.300 --> 00:16:33.500 I'll tell Johnny you think he's an idea is all wet. 00:16:40.100 --> 00:16:44.000 I mean, I don't know what if somebody asked me. 00:16:45.100 --> 00:16:47.900 I want to 11 or 12 in iPad. 00:16:47.900 --> 00:16:50.600 I would tell him to buy the air if they say, 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:51.400 I want a 9-inch. 00:16:51.400 --> 00:16:52.600 I bet I would tell him to buy the mini. 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:56.200 That's it. I don't see any reason to recommend $1,000, 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:59.000 iPad, when you have a really good $500 one, 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:01.100 right? And this goes right back to the point. 00:17:01.100 --> 00:17:03.200 We've been making about Innovation, vs. 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:06.500 Iterative, you know, information, whatever. 00:17:06.500 --> 00:17:10.000 So we don't have something the iPad. 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:12.500 Now, if you picked it up, would look very similar. 00:17:12.500 --> 00:17:15.800 If somebody came out of 2010's, it was the iPad look like you 00:17:15.800 --> 00:17:16.300 held it up. 00:17:16.300 --> 00:17:22.500 It's okay. So the market big, small, 00:17:22.500 --> 00:17:26.000 pronoun, Pro, whatever, but it's just variations on a theme 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:36.600 and I still fail to see between the ten point. 00:17:36.600 --> 00:17:38.200 Nine inches are in the 11-inch, iPad Pro. 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.600 What what is the reason to spend 20 more dollars? 00:17:43.600 --> 00:17:44.300 I don't get it. 00:17:44.300 --> 00:17:47.900 And even the 12.9 inch or maybe you want the bigger screen, 00:17:47.900 --> 00:17:53.100 which I don't think you need to find him, 00:17:53.100 --> 00:17:54.700 but I don't understand. 00:17:54.700 --> 00:17:57.800 Like maybe if they got rid of that 11-inch model, 00:17:57.800 --> 00:18:00.100 that would make more sense to me cuz any of 8.3, 00:18:00.100 --> 00:18:03.700 10.9 12.9. Okay, I can see that. 00:18:03.700 --> 00:18:04.400 That, that's different. 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:08.800 Different levels of at least screen size and the iPad Pro 12.9 00:18:08.800 --> 00:18:11.800 has that really nice xdr display? 00:18:11.800 --> 00:18:17.100 So then and then the bottom when I was on Batman that they were. 00:18:17.100 --> 00:18:20.700 So maybe it's just at 11, but I did. 00:18:20.700 --> 00:18:22.900 I just I would 00:18:23.900 --> 00:18:27.600 I would, I would venture to say that the iPad Mini is the pro 00:18:27.600 --> 00:18:28.700 version of the old. 00:18:28.700 --> 00:18:40.500 I think we're, we're, we're, we're out in left field in Mobile 00:18:40.500 --> 00:18:42.400 technology. You know, what's going on? 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:43.400 That's all right. 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:47.000 So the whole point about the range of iPads in the difference 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:48.000 between a crow and a regular. 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.100 What do you thinking, you know, iPhone Pro, 00:18:51.100 --> 00:18:52.800 iPhone 13 Pro, vs. 00:18:52.800 --> 00:18:54.500 IPhone 13. You got a 13 now, 00:18:54.500 --> 00:18:55.800 right? Yes. Okay. 00:18:55.800 --> 00:19:00.600 Do you think the differentiation is there variations on a theme 00:19:00.600 --> 00:19:03.000 but is that a distinctive? 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:13.200 Because there are things better than batteries better. 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.200 That's why you buy a phone for. 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:21.600 I'm surprised that Apple didn't like split a 5G and have some 00:19:21.600 --> 00:19:23.400 sticks here is a mini ice up 6 or not. 00:19:23.900 --> 00:19:27.200 A little surprised that they didn't keep me warm anyway for the 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.700 post, but the things a pro has extra camera. 00:19:30.700 --> 00:19:38.400 Telephoto macro a hundred twenty hours promotion display 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:39.800 and and better battery life. 00:19:41.300 --> 00:19:51.200 Or. 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:54.500 The boy, get the bigger screen 6.7. 00:19:54.500 --> 00:19:56.600 So that's 1100 bucks. 00:19:56.600 --> 00:20:00.100 I think absolutely, those are pro devices. 00:20:00.100 --> 00:20:00.500 The two things. 00:20:00.500 --> 00:20:06.600 I would add USB C, apple pencil support that would, 00:20:06.600 --> 00:20:09.300 that would be the complete pro package in my mind. 00:20:09.300 --> 00:20:13.300 Right now, if you I would, if someone said I wanted by 6.1 and 00:20:13.300 --> 00:20:15.400 type on iPhone, which one should I get? 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:17.800 I would ask you to take a lot of picture. 00:20:17.800 --> 00:20:18.300 Do you unlock? 00:20:18.300 --> 00:20:19.600 What picture do you like telephone? 00:20:19.600 --> 00:20:23.900 There are absolute definitive reason to buy a pro iPhone. 00:20:23.900 --> 00:20:25.300 IPad Pro. 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:30.300 Are you telling you, you have won between the 11:00 in Paris 00:20:30.300 --> 00:20:36.800 for the big-screen difference. 00:20:36.800 --> 00:20:40.800 Sherpa people ask me in the last week? 00:20:40.800 --> 00:20:41.300 What should they get? 00:20:41.300 --> 00:20:43.600 And I said get the air for that reason. 00:20:43.600 --> 00:20:56.900 So I think to the story of tile this discussion into a neat 00:20:56.900 --> 00:21:00.900 bow. It is I guess I'm wondering is like, 00:21:00.900 --> 00:21:05.700 what is the, what does the future of mobile look like? 00:21:05.700 --> 00:21:07.700 Like what is an? 00:21:07.700 --> 00:21:10.100 It's okay. If you guys don't have an answer for this, 00:21:10.100 --> 00:21:15.000 but I'm wondering like you're not with me. 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:19.000 So I'm wondering what? 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:20.600 Like me. No Blue Sky. 00:21:20.600 --> 00:21:26.800 What is the ideal mobile device and like is that so And that 00:21:26.800 --> 00:21:28.600 you see in the future. 00:21:28.600 --> 00:21:32.500 Is it, is it like a combo phone tablet? 00:21:32.500 --> 00:21:33.600 Like these folding phones. 00:21:33.600 --> 00:21:35.200 Is it iPad? 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:37.300 Ask? Is it is it. 00:21:37.300 --> 00:21:43.600 Don't ask no glasses, glasses. 00:21:43.600 --> 00:21:45.700 That's, that's a bit a bit out, 00:21:45.700 --> 00:21:49.000 couple years. I'm still waiting. 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:54.500 I'm still waiting for that in-between device. 00:21:54.500 --> 00:22:04.500 So when when Apple released on you show two things on the screen, 00:22:04.500 --> 00:22:06.600 iPhone and the MacBook. 00:22:07.500 --> 00:22:09.100 And he said, the iPhone is great for, 00:22:09.100 --> 00:22:10.300 you know, quick little things. 00:22:10.300 --> 00:22:13.200 I took meds make it fall in his grave for Cindy and ask him 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:21.500 something between those two things between the iPad and the MacBook, 00:22:21.500 --> 00:22:25.300 that brings me the power of a Mac Book in the heroes of the 00:22:25.300 --> 00:22:26.900 MacBook. In the multitasking, all things. 00:22:26.900 --> 00:22:29.400 I do in a Mac with the portability and the versatility 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:34.800 and the the the various features of an iPad and they're trying 00:22:34.800 --> 00:22:47.400 to get current Hardware, you know, the iPad Pro or iPad whatever 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:50.600 and it ran Macos with like a pin-up, 00:22:50.600 --> 00:22:55.700 you know, the pencil hacks, you could use the pencil on that 00:22:55.700 --> 00:22:57.400 beat in between device. 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.300 You're talking about, but I guess like, 00:23:00.300 --> 00:23:03.400 Mac OS on an iPad with Mark version of 00:23:07.500 --> 00:23:10.800 I mean, that's why I love to see that like to see what it 00:23:10.800 --> 00:23:15.100 is and what the problems are because it's an M1 chip. 00:23:15.100 --> 00:23:20.500 So you think it's green. 00:23:20.500 --> 00:23:33.500 So it's basically the same as a MacBook Air to ever build a laptop 00:23:33.500 --> 00:23:34.900 with a touch screen. 00:23:34.900 --> 00:23:39.100 But if you had, if you had just regular iPad with Mac OS, 00:23:39.100 --> 00:23:40.000 running on it. 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.000 Yeah. I'm sure you'd realize real quick then. 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.400 It's really not to say that the 9:40, 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:46.600 but neither has Windows. 00:23:46.600 --> 00:23:52.500 And then for every have a similar device to what you're describing 00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:57.300 really designed for such either in that works. 00:23:57.300 --> 00:24:01.700 I think perhaps Apple is is taking that too far. 00:24:02.600 --> 00:24:03.600 That yes not go. 00:24:03.600 --> 00:24:07.100 Bad. Once. You're not wanting to try to reply back if you're 00:24:07.100 --> 00:24:14.800 sitting at a desk Nikki. 00:24:14.800 --> 00:24:20.800 We're here being mobile device. 00:24:20.800 --> 00:24:28.500 Like we all want every year by something. 00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:30.900 I mean it is stupid. 00:24:30.900 --> 00:24:34.700 As I still remember the iPhone introduction, 00:24:34.700 --> 00:24:37.300 like what it was like it was like a concert was it, 00:24:37.300 --> 00:24:39.200 you know, it was it was it was, 00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:44.100 it was a rockstar and that was his Woodstock. 00:24:44.100 --> 00:24:46.500 I mean it was just, it was incredible to watch. 00:24:46.500 --> 00:24:49.900 We want that every year when I get it. 00:24:49.900 --> 00:24:54.300 It's it's impossible to keep up and what Apple has done since 00:24:54.300 --> 00:24:57.000 then is stronger, really impressed the iPhone 13th. 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:58.400 So we talked about 17 years. 00:24:59.600 --> 00:25:01.600 I mean, it's, it's amazing. 00:25:01.600 --> 00:25:02.500 It's in time. 00:25:02.500 --> 00:25:04.300 It is downright incredible. 00:25:04.300 --> 00:25:07.500 What it can do and The Innovation wall. 00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:12.000 If there is one, it's only because it's gotten so good and does 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.000 so much that we reach a point where they are. 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:16.500 So what's, what's next? 00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:17.600 I do want to know is on display. 00:25:17.600 --> 00:25:20.700 But aside from that, like, you know, 00:25:20.700 --> 00:25:23.900 there's nothing that I want my iPhone to do that. 00:25:25.500 --> 00:25:27.900 I was going to say one of the things about the pace of innovation 00:25:27.900 --> 00:25:29.200 being so fast. 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:30.700 Is it easy to forget quickly? 00:25:30.700 --> 00:25:38.000 What we couldn't do 14 years ago and rum, 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:40.000 you know, we can do that a chat with me. When 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:52.000 was the iPhone anywhere anytime over a high-speed 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:55.000 5G Internet working on a device that will last, 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:57.300 you know, you would have been like holy cow. 00:25:57.300 --> 00:25:58.200 That's got to be thirty years. 00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:01.900 I like video. 00:26:01.900 --> 00:26:14.900 It's like, it's like we don't even think you can go back to movies 00:26:14.900 --> 00:26:18.800 from like the 80s and what we have video chat is better than that. 00:26:18.800 --> 00:26:21.200 Is a lot of ways. 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:25.200 I mean, it's it's it's remarkable what we've got. 00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:30.500 We're also so spoiled that we need that, 00:26:30.500 --> 00:26:34.500 you know, that thing which is why we have all this because 00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:38.700 you know, apple is in a unique position. 00:26:41.600 --> 00:26:45.700 Is headline-making worthy Samsung in Google. 00:26:45.700 --> 00:26:55.300 And you know, these products are talking about and buzzing 00:26:55.300 --> 00:26:58.600 about and you know, I think that's where folding phones come 00:26:58.600 --> 00:26:58.800 from. 00:26:59.800 --> 00:27:03.200 I'm still not convinced that it's the next big thing and it certainly 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:05.100 won't be the next big thing of Apple never does it. 00:27:05.100 --> 00:27:07.500 Cuz that's that's what it has to be. 00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:16.100 For example. The iPhone has a 3X zoom lens and that's like that's 00:27:16.100 --> 00:27:17.100 that's in the headlights. 00:27:17.100 --> 00:27:25.700 If I was a Samsung executive. 00:27:25.700 --> 00:27:27.300 I would be tearing my hair out dealing. 00:27:27.300 --> 00:27:28.300 What the hell? 00:27:28.300 --> 00:27:30.100 We have been doing this for 2 years. 00:27:30.100 --> 00:27:33.200 I mean, I tested as a Galaxy s20. 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.000 I could see clear across my yard into my window clearly. 00:27:37.700 --> 00:27:39.900 And I'll Be There, Michael don't tell us more. 00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:43.500 I don't want to know why I wrote in my review that there's a 00:27:43.500 --> 00:27:50.700 privacy issue, but the 3x and people like apples to apples 00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:53.900 in this position where he can do small little bit of updates 00:27:53.900 --> 00:27:58.100 and generate the kind of buzz that people have to create folding 00:27:58.100 --> 00:28:00.800 plastic. So they're in a very unique, 00:28:00.800 --> 00:28:02.100 very, very fortuitous. That 00:28:02.100 --> 00:28:09.300 one last statement, not a question just in the last few 00:28:09.300 --> 00:28:12.900 minutes here is I think that there is and just maybe could 00:28:12.900 --> 00:28:14.100 be from my perspective. 00:28:14.100 --> 00:28:21.100 As someone who definitely is immersed In the Heat of the Y2K 00:28:21.100 --> 00:28:25.500 Trend. Calm back is some of this also just feels very nostalgic 00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:29.500 and I think like obviously you're going to pull and you're 00:28:29.500 --> 00:28:31.900 going to innovate based off of what happened in the past and 00:28:31.900 --> 00:28:35.500 pull inspiration from previous things, but it's I do wonder 00:28:35.500 --> 00:28:37.000 why I feel like 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:41.900 Some of the gimmick is, it does feel very nostalgic like when 00:28:41.900 --> 00:28:46.500 Motorola came out with a folding razor, 00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:48.100 but you know, what? 00:28:48.100 --> 00:28:49.900 Your two ago if that's fun. 00:28:49.900 --> 00:28:54.300 It's a nostalgic and it's that at least is interesting. 00:28:54.300 --> 00:28:57.000 So I do feel like it also kind of kind of ties in neatly 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.800 with the trend cycle that were saying and you know stash and 00:29:00.800 --> 00:29:16.700 papa aren't going to change the ones that coolness where you're 00:29:16.700 --> 00:29:20.500 left with a phone that has a has a very strangely tall screen 00:29:20.500 --> 00:29:24.400 apps. Don't quite some, do some don't work. 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:29.000 How well do these work when you when you test them in the past? 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:29.300 Mike. 00:29:30.500 --> 00:29:36.100 I mean, the two main ones are good enough but like text are wonky 00:29:36.100 --> 00:29:38.700 like there are cuz cuz it's at all screens of the word break 00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:40.400 differently in typing his strength. 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.100 Like it's, it's, it's, it's not perfect. 00:29:43.100 --> 00:29:46.700 But then again, you know, the iPad took a while to get their 00:29:46.700 --> 00:29:51.600 apps member remember and to do you remember can win the regional 00:29:51.600 --> 00:30:07.000 iPad. Like it was literally blown up by fun at the snap of a finger 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:07.800 and just make it. 00:30:07.800 --> 00:30:09.400 That is it is, it is not easy. 00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:18.900 Apple makes it a little bit easier than most of the scenes. 00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:22.600 None of the hood that goes into these devices is amazing. 00:30:22.600 --> 00:30:23.600 I don't want to sell that. 00:30:30.500 --> 00:30:44.200 Different resolution support the continued gesture. 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:47.200 Is a new screen resolution the new an opening and closing 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.100 anime cuz all that stuff and it's not easy to get on board 00:30:50.100 --> 00:30:54.600 with with that has a lot of headaches and a lot of issues 00:30:54.600 --> 00:30:59.100 more so adorable because they're so secretive Samsung, 00:30:59.100 --> 00:31:00.900 you know, they work with developers ahead of time. 00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:03.100 A lot of the time to make sure that they're on board and also 00:31:03.100 --> 00:31:05.000 with Google to make your Android up to date. 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:10.400 So there's a lot of questions, a lot of a lot of left turns 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.300 and and and and stop signs ahead. 00:31:13.100 --> 00:31:14.800 I'm not convinced. 00:31:14.800 --> 00:31:15.700 That's that's where we're going. 00:31:15.700 --> 00:31:20.100 I would be very intrigued if it was like I would I would be 00:31:20.100 --> 00:31:22.100 I would be the first Moe probably behind can. 00:31:22.100 --> 00:31:23.900 But I'd be at the front of the line to buy one cuz I'll 00:31:23.900 --> 00:31:26.100 be interested in holding song. 00:31:26.100 --> 00:31:28.100 I don't think I'd be the from the line for folding. 00:31:28.100 --> 00:31:38.200 Julia. Can you record that said they wouldn't even I call you 00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:50.400 tonight. All right, cool. 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:51.200 Thank you both so much. 00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.500 I thought this was certainly a fun discussion. 00:31:53.500 --> 00:31:57.000 I have come up as we were talking with my ideal mobile device 00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.800 is something very sci-fi that I can fold up to be like, 00:31:59.800 --> 00:32:04.400 you know, this big and stick it in my pocket and it is somehow 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.300 also like laptop sized so 00:32:08.300 --> 00:32:09.400 That's my Pie in the Sky. 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:16.300 I mean, the galaxies he does that but it's also a 17. 00:32:16.300 --> 00:32:26.200 Mm, screens, that roll. 00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:27.400 Maybe that's the that's the way. 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:27.800 I don't know. 00:32:27.800 --> 00:32:28.700 I don't know what it is. 00:32:28.700 --> 00:32:40.700 Like, alright, well, thank you both so much for calling in and 00:32:40.700 --> 00:32:43.800 chatting. 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