1 00:00:00,170 --> 00:00:01,340 - I want to cancel people 2 00:00:01,340 --> 00:00:03,425 because of how much they get talked about. 3 00:00:03,425 --> 00:00:05,730 I don't want to know anything more 4 00:00:05,730 --> 00:00:07,610 about the Kardashians or the Jenners 5 00:00:07,610 --> 00:00:10,537 or whatever is happening with them right now. 6 00:00:10,537 --> 00:00:13,787 (gently chiming music) 7 00:00:16,370 --> 00:00:18,060 - We live in a social media age 8 00:00:18,060 --> 00:00:20,010 and people are not shy about telling the world 9 00:00:20,010 --> 00:00:21,280 how they really feel. 10 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,460 That has led to the rise of cancel culture. 11 00:00:23,460 --> 00:00:24,713 So we're here in New York City 12 00:00:24,713 --> 00:00:27,300 to figure out where people draw the line 13 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:29,040 and who or what they just can't give up. 14 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:30,729 So when I say cancel culture, 15 00:00:30,729 --> 00:00:32,840 what does that make you think? 16 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,840 - I think if someone gets really controversial, 17 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,110 or quite opinionated, then I'd take that quite seriously 18 00:00:38,110 --> 00:00:40,650 so I'd just cancel them and I don't really bother with them. 19 00:00:40,650 --> 00:00:42,240 I unfollow them, give them an unfollow. 20 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,030 - There are some things that I'm like, 21 00:00:44,030 --> 00:00:46,980 yeah they said some crazy things 22 00:00:46,980 --> 00:00:49,300 and they should not be in the spotlight anymore. 23 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:52,150 They should not be praised for their past things. 24 00:00:52,150 --> 00:00:55,500 They should be judged for their current doings. 25 00:00:55,500 --> 00:00:57,680 Like this morning, I was watching the R Kelly interview 26 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,100 and he did not paint himself in the best light 27 00:01:01,100 --> 00:01:03,567 even after everything that has come out about him. 28 00:01:03,567 --> 00:01:05,450 So he's for sure done. 29 00:01:05,450 --> 00:01:07,720 - He got so fired up and he got in her face. 30 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,000 He was probably doing this interview to calm people down 31 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,370 about what he's been doing, 32 00:01:11,370 --> 00:01:13,420 but instead he just made it a thousand times worse. 33 00:01:13,420 --> 00:01:15,800 So that's double canceled. 34 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,650 - It's kinda hard for me to feel some type of way, 35 00:01:17,650 --> 00:01:19,463 to be like "alright, that is drawing the line", 36 00:01:19,463 --> 00:01:22,050 but the child molestation and sexual assault, 37 00:01:22,050 --> 00:01:24,295 that's where I definitely draw the line at. 38 00:01:24,295 --> 00:01:25,390 - (Interviewer) Have you taken part? 39 00:01:25,390 --> 00:01:27,120 Have you canceled anyone? 40 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:32,120 - I mean, Bill Cosby, I was a fan of his for years and years 41 00:01:32,130 --> 00:01:33,831 but pretty much done with that. 42 00:01:33,831 --> 00:01:35,384 - (Interviewer) Was it hard to make that decision? 43 00:01:35,384 --> 00:01:36,217 - No. 44 00:01:36,217 --> 00:01:37,620 - Kayne West as well, yeah? 45 00:01:37,620 --> 00:01:39,980 So he does a lot of tweets which are quite controversial 46 00:01:39,980 --> 00:01:40,813 I think. 47 00:01:40,813 --> 00:01:42,280 And Donald Trump as well, he does quite a lot. 48 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:43,640 And Piers Morgan actually. 49 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,900 - Kanye West, I'm not his biggest fan. 50 00:01:45,900 --> 00:01:49,490 I really haven't been, I like 2006 Kayne West. 51 00:01:49,490 --> 00:01:51,720 - Kanye, with the whole rants he'd be going through 52 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,120 and what not, supporting Trump and what not. 53 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,774 I'm like "alright dude, you're pushing it right now, bro". 54 00:01:56,774 --> 00:02:00,820 But then again, if I like a song, I like a song. 55 00:02:00,820 --> 00:02:02,349 So I'm gonna jam to it. 56 00:02:02,349 --> 00:02:03,930 - (Interviewer) You did say that you canceled Kayne. 57 00:02:03,930 --> 00:02:04,763 - I canceled him, 58 00:02:04,763 --> 00:02:06,823 but I literally listen to his music all the time. 59 00:02:06,823 --> 00:02:08,870 So I just don't like his tweets, but I love his music. 60 00:02:08,870 --> 00:02:10,300 - I think people, myself included, 61 00:02:10,300 --> 00:02:12,570 sometimes separate the art from the artist. 62 00:02:12,570 --> 00:02:14,690 If you like his music, 63 00:02:14,690 --> 00:02:17,020 you're probably gonna listen to it anyway. 64 00:02:17,020 --> 00:02:19,270 You think it's in the privacy of your own home 65 00:02:19,270 --> 00:02:20,530 that you're consuming their art, 66 00:02:20,530 --> 00:02:22,820 but you're still giving them the ratings. 67 00:02:22,820 --> 00:02:25,230 - R Kelly, he threw out great music, 68 00:02:25,230 --> 00:02:27,280 but what he did outside of the music 69 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,682 shouldn't basically affect what he's created. 70 00:02:31,682 --> 00:02:33,700 - (Interviewer) What about Michael Jackson? 71 00:02:33,700 --> 00:02:35,296 - Michael Jackson's cool, yeah. 72 00:02:35,296 --> 00:02:36,129 I used to like Michael Jackson. 73 00:02:36,129 --> 00:02:37,330 - (Interviewer) So you're still listening to the music? 74 00:02:37,330 --> 00:02:38,393 - Yeah, I love Michael Jackson. 75 00:02:38,393 --> 00:02:39,970 Always listening to his stuff. 76 00:02:39,970 --> 00:02:42,990 - I feel like the situation with him and his past 77 00:02:42,990 --> 00:02:45,067 should all ready be put to rest. 78 00:02:45,067 --> 00:02:47,740 It shouldn't be brung up years after his death. 79 00:02:47,740 --> 00:02:50,363 - Because he built himself up so well, 80 00:02:52,110 --> 00:02:54,013 I feel like he's gonna be an icon and legend forever. 81 00:02:54,013 --> 00:02:56,210 - (Interviewer) So do you think cancel culture is effective, 82 00:02:56,210 --> 00:02:57,979 or is it something that we do to tear people down 83 00:02:57,979 --> 00:02:58,812 on the internet? 84 00:02:58,812 --> 00:03:00,700 - I think it's just to tear people down on the internet. 85 00:03:00,700 --> 00:03:04,316 - Canceling someone by shit-talking them on Twitter 86 00:03:04,316 --> 00:03:07,080 is still giving them publicity 87 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:08,820 and they're still on your mind, 88 00:03:08,820 --> 00:03:11,067 so they're kinda winning either way. 89 00:03:11,067 --> 00:03:13,910 - (Interviewer) When does cancel culture go too far? 90 00:03:13,910 --> 00:03:16,760 - I feel like we're really quick to cancel a lot of things. 91 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:17,917 We're really quick to be like 92 00:03:17,917 --> 00:03:20,436 "Oh, they did one thing wrong, they're done". 93 00:03:20,436 --> 00:03:24,130 - If somebody says something online or in a tweet 94 00:03:24,130 --> 00:03:27,050 that was inadvertent and it gets picked up and spread around 95 00:03:27,050 --> 00:03:28,170 I just think that's unfair. 96 00:03:28,170 --> 00:03:29,520 It's an individual basis. 97 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,863 It depends on the person, depends on the crime.