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In this Ram Pathak episode of the full nerd,

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Dells, angry memory and 5 only with ddr5?

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And that's it.

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Welcome to episode 214 of the full nerd.

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I'm your host, Gordman with toast bread circus and vertical.

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I'm here in front of the show back deck.

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I got one of those jerseys I got my name on it was with

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my number 82.

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Yeah it's it's cool you should pick it up and maybe some full

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nerd merch. I got feel like I'm not good at pimping that we have

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our own merch.

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I you know, I tried to for a little bit there and then then

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I kind of keep forgetting about it but yeah,

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we've got cold March.

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We can get smooth Surety smooth 30 shirts up.

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Now we've got lots of cool design so smooth and yeah,

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but it does feel like the entire new cycle has everything

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about Ram today but was funny because I mean what a couple

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weeks ago we had a show about like power are like it was all

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like power supply stuff.

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I feel like we're almost doing like component-based

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shows now suddenly you've got no Dale has this controversial

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new memory, controversial pay to use.

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Because it's it's it's a made-up controversy.

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You should use the real word, its proprietary.

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Yes. You know, we had a question about a last week in fact before

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we talked until so that just kind of tells you how people

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were activated on already.

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Because there was a wind is back maybe early last week,

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and there was a report that the base on a leak of Dell's new

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Precision laptop. Which by the way, is now out the 7 7 7 0

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7770. It's a you know, mobile workstation,

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big hot hungry, 55 watt, Intel CPU them even say what?

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CPU has been clearly.

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It's the the the rumored Alder Lake Ajax which is supposedly

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having a cake or a cormac's o a p,

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a t t r o n e rolling since over the new memory and

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it's called Cam and the actual name of it is compression

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attached, memory module, and the reason, the internet was activated,

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was Adele's, new memory would be proprietary.

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So if I want to buy new memory for my laptop,

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I can only buy it from Dell at an inflated price.

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Dells becoming the new Apple like Apple only be able to buy it

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from Del propietario.

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Why can't they just use sodium's?

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It's worked so well for the last 24 years there's no reason to

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change a 24 year old technology and so why can't you why can't

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you swap out your GPU?

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You know, there's there's

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Blue laptops, you can swap out the GPS it with a soccer ball

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CPU. When I go all the way ya did Dell tried that too in

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fact that's a great kick off point because this what Dell is why I

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talked to Darrell last week we have a story on a pcworld.com

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what's going on with Cam?

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And you know, obviously no surprise the internet and it's hot

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takes was wrong again.

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This isn't I know it's not a private area near quote because

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it's not necessarily proprietary Dell.

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Basically said we were looking at where mobile workstations are

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going to.

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This is going to start for more sections of Seattle leak down

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to get down to gaming laptops if he goes anywhere,

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but it's a we see within a generation that you're going to hit a

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real real a wall because sodium simply cannot support the higher

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clocks of the newer memory heavier, load higher clocks,

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and next-generation memory.

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So they went back and they said the list.

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try to redraw this entire memory, subsystem of sodium and redesign

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it to make it better to make it thinner,

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to make it, give you a better signaling,

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and they came up with Cam, decompression attached memory module,

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which you can look at you, and why don't we show the

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The side by side when I get the first one to let that has

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to bring, my stereo was pulling up an image of all the memory

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for audio listeners.

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Unfortunately, I can't see the basically to side by side of for

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conventional sodium's. Next to a cam model and that came out

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till is very flat.

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You know, the push that works on.

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Everybody's like, oh, look how much thinner is cuz it's 50% dinner

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with a camisole with 128 gigs versus a for sodium set up which,

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you know, if you've ever seen it,

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if you're looking at the picture, it looks like the sandwich,

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write like a like a, what the heck are those?

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The triple-decker sandwiches.

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It's very thick sandwiches club sandwiches.

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So you know cam is obviously thinner.

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But the other big change is you move away from the sodium

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connector which slips see.

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Why do we do the exploded view?

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So for conventional sodium's, as you know,

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it's been the same literally, since the late 1990s,

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you take a memory module, you put it in a slight angle till

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it's, you know, any place that you push it down to lock down

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with tabs that system is carrying us from,

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you know, late 1990s, memory to.

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You know, I'm probably like 2 to take ddr5,

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you can still get brand new laptops with so-dimm ddr4.

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If you look at how Kim is so it's a completely different

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take. So the Green Layer is your motherboard,

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then you get this little sort of compression connector,

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which is that little pad and it is a very dense connector

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where at so didn't know you was taking a conventional

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dim, you know, bus is littlefinger's at poke into it.

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This is all these will poke into just one Edge connector,

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not Edge connector cuz that's what you use in the in the sodium.

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But it plugged into this one.

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Connector on the camera module and it's all the memories

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populated on this board.

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And then you get this little these,

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this very dense section of pins.

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so the main reason you would want to do this is let's go to

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when we do the first one of that.

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So we'll decide the patent like so I mean,

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clearly you can make it thinner, but the real big difference

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here between a cam setup in conventional.

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Sodium is look.

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So the owner of this is from Dell's pad on it,

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they filed for, in two years ago,

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Thompson. L the designer behind that talk to him on Friday,

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you can see the traces for so damn,

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right? So those wires have to go out from the CPU across the

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motherboard into the the sodium mounting system up to the soda

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mounting system into each of the sodium's.

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It's just, it's very long versus.

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Now you look at the bottom on the bottom,

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right? It looks like you basically have the traces come out of

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the CPU. It comes out a little bit to the motherboard.

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It goes into that little compression connector,

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and then it's basically right into the memory.

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So what Della saying I hear talking,

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you know, maybe one and a half inch on

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Versus three and typically on a on a laptop with sodium in the

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wiring stuff like that is huge when it comes to Performance

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and power. And then also remember memory is a parallel bus.

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So you got to run a lot of wires and you got to run

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them all the same length because you can't have the signals

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arrive at the wrong times.

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That would, that's what Grandma's could have done.

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But you know, and you basically it's a pain cuz you've done.

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Now with all these big bunch of wires,

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you've got it.

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If you look at your your desktop motherboard,

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you'll see some of the boards we get to the RAM.

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And it just takes these crazy long Loops because they have to

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make sure that those traces are the same length as the other

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traces. So if you're going to the middle to module,

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that wire still has to be the same length as the one at the

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end of the module.

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So now you've got to add all this extra length,

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you're playing with all these extra wires,

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all this sexy trace.

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And you're just adding a You signal sick to your adding more

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noise. You're just going to use more power.

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A Dell says, basically, an example of even though they're

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say look so damn will work, now it will work but even now they

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say there can be some issues.

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So one issue they cited was a 64 gig so he have up to

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64 gigs in a laptop, your two,

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sodium's. You're fine for up to D&D R5 4800.

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If you load it up with 128 gigs,

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which is what a lot of mobile workstation people really want

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because they have a need for all that Rim,

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the memory. Now, on the 12th, gen CPU is ddr5 4000,

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so you're giving up a significant amount of memory bandwidth

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essentially, because sodium can't really handle will sodium

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with a trough Jen and the memory bus everything fully loaded

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just really can't handle it.

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So they're saying that's

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The cam design 128 gigs.

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They could push ddr5 1400.

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No problem.

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That's a huge difference that great.

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There's a reason this is being rolled out.

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These are like business workstation laptop.

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Supposed to be exact reason for this look at non-proprietary

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because this is the thing that that activates everybody

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is like one.

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We came up with this design.

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We have our patents on it, but we're going to let you know,

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we are working with memory makers to make this memory to fit

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into these cams into the camp connectors,

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their Pam module.

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So, in the future, if you buy Precision,

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triple 70 laptop, and you want upgrade

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You can just go buy that memory from your,

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you know, typical Memory Maker.

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You know, that is supporting it still says they have,

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you know, they are working with multiple Memory Maker so it is

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not simply them saying, hey, we are going to make memory and

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then you are going.

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You're going to, we're going to contract out with a maker to sell

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us his memory and then you can only buy the memory to your house

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there. Like go by from somebody else.

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They'll does not want to be in the memory business.

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Basically, they just want to enable higher performance

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in the sports station laptops.

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And the other thing is they're going to go to Genex right now

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jeddak. If you don't know, is like a USB eye out for any of

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the big organizations that that blesses all standard there.

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Now taking this this to get before the jeddak board to hey,

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here's what it is, is what it is.

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They're going to try to make this into a standard and hopefully

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everybody will adopt it.

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So it does not tell just simply making proprietary memory

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just to make proprietary memory in and sell you memory at higher

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costs through Del.

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But, you know, I was the reality is

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Initially, you'll probably only be able to get memory through

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Del, but eventually, have you be able to get it from other

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companies? Hopefully, that's the main jet.

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It goes, well, assuming everything that they're saying goes,

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well, you don't, you get before jeddak,

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and you don't know if everybody's going to accept it,

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it could fail.

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In fact, I think was interesting, though.

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I didn't give you the, I guess I can give you the Enterprise

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Raymond. Do we want to see The Interpreter?

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So in these Precision laptops, they actually it will initially

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come out with a cam model but they will also have a an interpreter

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so so so damn interpreter that basically you take that existing

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cam connector. It's a small Enterprise.

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Her daughter card is slap in for sodium and then you put it into

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that. So it will actually run, you know,

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standard soda modules, obviously probably at a lower clock,

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then we're going to get out of a cam.

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But you it's not even in that in that laptop itself.

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It's not going to be, you know,

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so-called the price already cuz you will be able to get it.

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Eventually order it with sodas, if you want it or with cams,

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I don't know if they're going to be offering upgrades but as Brad

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said, I think the problem is you get the jeddak know and designed

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by committee is designed by committee.

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And it may not be the same thing out of the side.

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You may have some members that maybe they were working on something

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so they're like, hey, we got our thing,

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we're working on, and we're going to try to make that happen.

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And we know how much fun that is because they've invested,

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you know, a ton of money in R&D.

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So they think there's any better.

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They're going to want to push it.

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Then you have the you have Blu-ray versus.

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I can't remember where you shall DVD DVD all over again,

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you're going to have that that that headache.

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I think the good news thing I've ever bought for my Xbox all

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know. I got a 30 bucks is great ones that died.

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They went on fire sale.

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So I went to like a I think it was like fries and I

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got it for like 30 bucks and then like each disk was like two

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bucks or something like that, right?

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Because you have every company that will always be pushing

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its own agenda.

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They have a review into what they're doing with their plans are

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and they may not think I may go like,

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hey you know what, we were going to try her own thing cuz we're not

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going to hurt away.

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Are we?

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Could do better.

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I'm sure Del if no other company does it than they may say?

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Hey path of least resistance.

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This adopt, this be a standard.

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Yeah, I was going to ask you what,

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what's, what's the best case scenario?

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How do you think this plays out best case scenario is,

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you know I know everybody thinks all the company's hate each

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other but at the end of the day they all very much coal exist

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in the same universe.

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I think best cases everybody says yeah,

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hey, that's cool.

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Let's just do it.

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You know, but that of course is dead to me.

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I don't think that's what'll happen.

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I thought I would imagine they will because it look like that

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mean we, we get Dino, cheaper laptops,

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thinner, laptop. So you know like everybody adopts the saying

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they're going to be faster, ran like yeah it'll be everything.

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It'll be one.

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I mean you know again to totems and ddr5 is up to 1464 gigs

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average consumers, not going to run 64 gig tonight,

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even a high-end gaming laptop.

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Supposed to be 32 gigs for most people 64GB elsbeth 64 ft 120

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with sodium.

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I think longer-term it get this year to transition over doesn't

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go over night so there will be no new standard of his adopted.

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The cost will be in more expensive but again I don't care because

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she'll is paying for it and they got the money.

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What do I care, right?

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I just send it to me.

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I'll just send my expense report in,

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like, whatever, so you're saying, this is more for like the high-end,

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you think. So Dems will stay around for like low in initially

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because it costs associated with Cam and the fact that really,

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there's still plenty of life in it for Consumer.

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You know, if you are an oem you like,

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you know what, I'm not going to I'm not going to do it because

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it's just a cost me money for nothing.

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I get nothing for it.

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Are you going to give me credit?

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Are you going to have this video and on your unboxing video

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where you give me credit for running a camp module or you just

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going to like complain because I'm 10 more dollars in the other

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laptop that doesn't have it.

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So you will have seen, you know where that goes.

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What's the worst case scenario?

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Then nobody adopts it.

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Yeah, well it's just stuck with proprietary

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There's a best-case scenario which I think is unlikely which

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is like a, we all love you,

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come by. I'll let you know, I don't go out and let's go have

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a beer. I think that's unlikely.

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I think it worse case scenario.

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Estelle goes all look at this week coming in like HP and Lenovo

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we got we got em Cam and I are we got our right and

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it's like everybody's got their own designs like we're not going

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to and then it's just like a fist fight for a couple years

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and you get truly

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Truly, you know, probably carry some of proprietary modules.

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As they all kind of Duke out of a fight for a standard.

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I think that's sort of like worst case scenario best case scenario

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is like, everybody loves each other and gives each other hugs

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at the end I think more realistically.

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What happens is Dale comes up today we're going to look at this

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as a guy that's kind of cool.

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We think we should do this to the standard and then,

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and then it's a whole standard thing was like,

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okay, first before we decide this critical design of Elizabeth

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Choice. That's, you know, that's going to have the entire

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industry industry. Let's figure out what to do for lunch.

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So I want to go to McDonald's. So

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I want to go to Burger King or we can figure out lunch.

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But, you know, so you know, that's real by committee,

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you half of it, spent fighting over lunch so I think will happen.

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Is everybody will have some input.

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They will be like maybe some of the deer a makers or module

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makers that well, we think this should be changed because

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they sort of have their own In a road map and then probably

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won't happen. Is if if if the other laptop maker is come out

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to. Yeah. Okay.

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Will do it.

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But we need to modify because this or this,

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or this cam could come out eventually not looking quite like

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him, so it might be a slightly different but it would be a uniform

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standard. You know, the problem of course then is you for your

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a triple 700 Precision.

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Buyer. You have a module.

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Can you have the non-standard ram?

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That was it's like a, it's like a oh my God,

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it's like the wireless draft.

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Like always ate at 11 a.m.

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draft. What is that mean?

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It's not ready yet.

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Wait, what do you mean?

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You sold me a router and if I'm ready yet?

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So you know, could change while I'll be up to upgrade my draft

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router to the final one, like yes by buying a new one.

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And that's because that is the problem that we always have any

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mystery but in the end, probably, it'll be slightly different.

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I think likely, it'll probably Cam little different modified.

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Can you know, early adopters?

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Kind of sucks but again but realistically your your Chevron

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Oil and you are buying a you know $10,000 workstation

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you're buying a give me give me 500 of these $10,000 work station

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laptops for my Workforce, aw to make me billions of dollars.

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What do I care?

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You know what you mean?

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Go analyzing you mean for the bleeding edge.

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Okay. So we're not talking about like the I mean a lot of people

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here who know are buying their own laptops like the consumers

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you basically, you'll probably end up at the end with a gaming

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laptop with whatever the to finalize.

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Cam standard is.

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Whatever if they do adopted that'll probably what it'll be.

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And then you get this kind of weird here in and you know,

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pre standard, you know, pre-adoption that is a possibility.

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I think I could happen also.

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I do want to make it another few interesting pictures for it because

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I am over it real quick.

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Actually, we got a $5 Super Chat from front of the show,

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super fan of the show.

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B, C Jester.

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Forgetting a worst worst case scenario.

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I was going to bring us up to do,

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push it further in the future and we have Delaware sindel

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Island, I would say worst.

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Worst case scenario is we're talkin about the southern Rim,

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right? I mean there are, could be a possible features and water.

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Yeah, I'm that, I mean that's actually worse case in the next

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to the worst.

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Worst worst case scenario is, you know,

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all the PC makers.

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Add opcon-a come up with their own versions of replaceable

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memory at the very high-end that be the worst.

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And then what happens is, they continue that fight and then

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ddr6 shows up Dr.

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6 is not going to play well with.

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You know, if you believe Dellwood Del thing is not going to play

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well with with the sodium's, till you come to the and the road

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for sodium and then we're just all left like

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In a standoff with you with each other that is extremely

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unlikely cuz people they realize you don't want to fight over

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that kind of stuff to wear you, like

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you suck and you look companies like apple show up because

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they don't worry about standards.

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I think exactly the great read the world up.

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Apple isn't that have to worry about it?

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There outside above everything?

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They do everything whatever they want in their,

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in their customers buy because they don't care about it,

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right? And often times, Apple will make up a hill,

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take a priest and her that everybody's talking about,

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and no run with it, just to get ahead of everybody would like

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to look at their the rest of these.

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They were years ahead of everybody on Destiny,

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cuz every time we need to uniform standard for us,

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it is like, bad Dells, like our apples.

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Like what do we care?

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Will just do our own thing.

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What about you?

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Are you one of our computers.

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And that's exactly, that's exactly what enables Apple to do that.

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And it's a great, it's a green marking tool right?

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Cuz where they got to worry about it.

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So, I do want to point out against the other than that,

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I think shouldn't be lost on this campus, and

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which is kind of cool.

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There's a negative to is it can be more reliable because

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you don't have four different connectors.

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You know, you had I've had soda pop out before because you know,

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they're basically Hold On by two plastic,

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retention Clips. On the end they can if you drop your laptop

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or the drop the bag harden up may just pop out.

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So you only have one connector, it's screwed down,

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so it's not going to come loose.

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It's just, it doesn't have that physical chance of Johnson

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loose and then sodium in a force.

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Odin configuration. You got four of those that could potentially

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pop out. I personally think that's more of a of a reliability

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issue for sodium.

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So you know cameras is Mountain the place and also their thing

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about cameras are like it's so does the contacts.

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If you look into the other side,

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basically has a large contact patch very similar to what you

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would look what you see on the bottom of An LG a CPU like

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the bottom of an Intel CPU, those fingers,

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dig into it and then it's screwed down into Sac,

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see sandwich between us and there's a layer that holds it in place.

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If you are in a very humid environment,

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in the humidity actually does affect the electronics

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inside. You know, it is less likely to affect a cam design

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than a sodium because sodium is open near so you're not going

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to get maybe a little bit corrosion,

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some oxidation on that laptop because of his Camp.

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Hello, clearly. If you got that much humidity inside the laptop,

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other things are going to break but campus offers improved

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their. Is it also 4 if we're going to upgrade,

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it's actually kind of is a plus because we've seen plenty

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of designs. Now, where

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Remember you even if you were doing a typical gaming laptop

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and you have to have a very thin body,

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you have a sodium, you have.

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So we have two sodium's, you got a mount into a tiny footprint

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and

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Basically, because you can't, you can't spare the space,

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the actual real estate on the bottom of the board.

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They take that second module and they sometimes will mount it

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on top, either permanently soldered or sometimes,

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even, they will take that, they will mount a sodium.

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A slot on the top of that motherboard.

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And then the other ones on the bottom,

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which is all fun until you need to get to that.

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So damn that's on the inside and nobody really wants to pull

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the motherboard out, just to change that memory module with

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the K module.

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It's the whole thing we could do that.

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Last one, atom, that has all four thirty-two 64 + 128 and I screw

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the scale up on the ones on the left cuz they're not see significantly

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smaller because I should have matched the holes with it.

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It's they're actually quite a bit smaller.

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I actually match the entire width of the module with the others

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be 16 and 32GB models are quite a bit smaller than the 128 gig

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in the 64 gig but for laptop again,

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you just simply swapped

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Module out. You don't have to like this,

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each of these has two channels so you don't have to deal with

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multiple module so you don't have to deal with mother.

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You know, again, if you're building a really really thin and

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small gaming laptop and you would put in 32 gigs a lot of times

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when they're doing their soldering on 16,

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in the second 16 might be in a module might be soldered,

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you know, that's kind of a bummer because now you got this,

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you know, asymmetric set-up where if you upgrade your memory

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the other module can't be upgraded so it's you have to pass

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it in Channel.

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This is all in.

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You do one deal you if you take it out of your place that

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you don't have to worry about the other module that they're

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doing a lot of these small gaming laptop.

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The negative is obviously, if you have 16 gigs in your gaming

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laptop,

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And you want to go to 32 gigs.

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If you have a 16 gig camera module throw away that,

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well, remove the original 16 gigs, you put in a 32 gig.

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So you don't really get to like,

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if you had a traditional so you could like,

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piecemeal has you could couple steaks and then you add a second

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one. Now, we have 32 of this is worse for the environment

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know, because most people will not take this,

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grind it up and poured into the ocean.

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They will, if they will either, they will usually sell it on eBay,

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right? So actually can't be better because now he's here by your,

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you're used module on on, on eBay that benefits you.

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I do not have a cake grinding it up and I don't know,

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feeding it to some bald eagle somewhere.

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Just to see the fun in Embassy of the Park Service,

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arrest you with a federal felony for messing with that bald

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eagle, tells you that both know, that's a really nice meal.

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I like that whole piece meal design sometimes,

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but

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Even their people get angry.

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Cuz I remember some of the original laptops I had thought

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and memory that being single, Channel mode,

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and you had an open sodium to add more memory,

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you know that I was like, oh,

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you can add the memory to get the 32 later if you want to

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and then people were like, oh my God,

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you're killing me for Miss cuz you're selling me a gaming

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laptop being single Channel mode.

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Why don't you give me duele Tanto?

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They're like, well, cuz you only want to pay for 16 gigs.

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That means I have to populate to a key module and then for you

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to go to 32 gigs. You

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then what? I

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mean, you know, it's same thing,

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you're tossing, those two, a cake nozzle.

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But for me this all interested for me,

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I have a couple like metal take away from this one being you

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make fun of me but there's a reason we don't chase River very

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often like the rumors that came out this week said the internet

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Empire they clearly didn't have the full story so you know there's a

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reason we don't chase remove super,

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super aggressively for me the more interesting things since

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we did just talk about ATS, 3.0 kind of Fastlane to me how it

00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:16.800
seems like all of a sudden Technologies getting so fast in the

00:27:16.800 --> 00:27:19.000
PCS that all of a sudden all these twenty-year-old

00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:20.500
Technologies. They've been around forever.

00:27:20.500 --> 00:27:23.100
We're starting to reach the brake and wait like on a bunch

00:27:23.100 --> 00:27:24.200
of them all at once knife.

00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:25.500
Just find that super fascinated.

00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:32.900
I think it first jeddak reference, I saw to it.

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Is 1999. Atx2 point x born in late 1992.

00:27:40.800 --> 00:27:44.000
So I guess we're sorta like, oh,

00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:48.300
you know, you were rolling around and bias ply tires in the end,

00:27:48.300 --> 00:27:50.800
we got to do something about maybe changes in technology,

00:27:50.800 --> 00:27:56.500
the basic technology as a PC, that should be it makes you wonder

00:27:56.500 --> 00:28:01.600
what other things that are in the PC that are just like pulling

00:28:01.600 --> 00:28:10.400
his back. You know, getting around.

00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.100
You know what the Legacy technology.

00:28:12.100 --> 00:28:15.000
And it's just a really fascinating time to be interested

00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:21.100
in PCS. Thank you so much.

00:28:21.100 --> 00:28:23.900
Appreciate it said, let's be honest, Corden,

00:28:23.900 --> 00:28:27.600
people like you and me will shove that module in a box thinking

00:28:27.600 --> 00:28:28.900
we'll use it later, but never will.

00:28:28.900 --> 00:28:30.500
And then it gets trash in 20 years.

00:28:30.500 --> 00:28:30.900
No, no, no.

00:28:33.800 --> 00:28:39.100
In the Box on the shelf and then I swear to God and ten

00:28:39.100 --> 00:28:41.800
years, actually, I will tell you what really happened.

00:28:41.800 --> 00:28:45.600
Here's what really happens when you're not you're not getting

00:28:45.600 --> 00:28:48.100
to the truth of the matter is you put that module into a box.

00:28:48.100 --> 00:28:51.200
You put it in an old motherboard boxer and you know,

00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.800
you put all the and then, you know,

00:28:53.800 --> 00:28:55.500
15 years, Ten Years Later to go,

00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:55.900
I can do.

00:28:55.900 --> 00:28:58.600
It is just time to just get rid of all this trash,

00:28:58.600 --> 00:29:00.800
just like you finally wasted, right?

00:29:00.800 --> 00:29:02.200
So guess he wasted.

00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.100
And I swear to God, within one week,

00:29:05.100 --> 00:29:09.200
if you'e, wasting that one piece of ancient Technology

00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.800
Boulevard Crossing was like, yeah, you know, I

00:29:11.800 --> 00:29:15.200
try not to take my laptop but they don't make these DDR sodium's

00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.400
anymore. You can't find them anywhere that has happened

00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:20.000
to me so many times.

00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.900
So it really helped fail without fail but like,

00:29:22.900 --> 00:29:24.400
they wait for you to like they're waiting outside,

00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:27.200
your house, is that the right now and I'm going to go ask for

00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.400
that thing, that's what really happened.

00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:32.700
So try to keep that old Hardware as long as possible.

00:29:33.800 --> 00:29:37.400
If you, if you can, do you end up on Silicon?

00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:39.100
The hoarders of Silicon Valley?

00:29:39.100 --> 00:29:52.300
Where do you think you're going to do anything else to take

00:29:52.300 --> 00:29:53.000
over on the 2nd?

00:29:53.000 --> 00:30:02.100
As Brad said, like people get immediately activated and whatever

00:30:02.100 --> 00:30:03.700
and get angry and

00:30:04.800 --> 00:30:07.500
Just because proprietary, it's just that, it's just,

00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:09.400
that red flag that says everybody off.

00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:13.500
But yeah, like, like 80 X is not proprietary but there are.

00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:15.600
You got to let go of the old stuff.

00:30:15.600 --> 00:30:17.600
Sometimes, it's pushing where we're seeing like,

00:30:17.600 --> 00:30:22.800
legitimately the reason why I ate 6 3.0 was created was because

00:30:22.800 --> 00:30:25.900
all the modern graphics cards are just kind of like really

00:30:25.900 --> 00:30:30.200
taking advantage of these very, very short boost the transients

00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:35.300
that know that the a twenty-year-old standard cannot hold up to.

00:30:35.300 --> 00:30:41.200
So then I moved to that even a TXV ou812 which you'll get through,

00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:43.100
a lot of really upside to a text to Aldi,

00:30:43.100 --> 00:30:44.000
open. Everybody's like, no.

00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.900
I don't want my motherboard to to have add more,

00:30:46.900 --> 00:30:51.300
and that of the kind of things that it's great because the PC

00:30:51.300 --> 00:30:53.000
is this big open tent.

00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.300
And then it's really bad because when you get folks,

00:30:57.300 --> 00:30:59.400
like apple, like we got the same one because they could take

00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:03.200
everything and literally throw it away redesign everything

00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.000
and tell the entire tribe to buy the new thing,

00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.800
because that's how they fix it and their entire tribe.

00:31:09.800 --> 00:31:11.100
I don't want to get to the point where,

00:31:11.100 --> 00:31:13.300
like, throw everything away to buy something to you.

00:31:13.300 --> 00:31:15.400
That is not any model we should follow to.

00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:17.700
That's not the way we've lived, but we got to move a little

00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:19.500
bit. Just got to be a little movement,

00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:28.700
even if you'd listen to this whole segment,

00:31:28.700 --> 00:31:32.100
I would recommend going to Gordon's article cuz it's fantastic

00:31:32.100 --> 00:31:32.700
like a lays out.

00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:35.600
Everything step-by-step super readable Ray, but he actually

00:31:35.600 --> 00:31:38.500
talked to like the engineers and product managers behind it and

00:31:38.500 --> 00:31:40.400
he ran all the stuff in their own words.

00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:43.800
That super fascinated, I just really enjoyed read it this morning

00:31:43.800 --> 00:31:45.600
more than I do most articles on the internet,

00:31:45.600 --> 00:31:53.400
so I will check it out if you have a Dell.

00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:55.900
You know, when and I did a lot of people are talking about

00:31:55.900 --> 00:31:58.600
Steve's video about the Alienware thing, you know it.

00:31:58.600 --> 00:32:03.500
Like what if I do, wonder if this was HP coming out with this

00:32:03.500 --> 00:32:05.600
like what the how the response would be a little different.

00:32:05.600 --> 00:32:10.300
I think it's the same because their newest Justin Lee distain

00:32:10.300 --> 00:32:11.200
for large companies.

00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:12.500
In the way they do things.

00:32:12.500 --> 00:32:15.600
And I think that off off honestly,

00:32:15.600 --> 00:32:18.500
I think it's very misplaced because in,

00:32:18.500 --> 00:32:19.800
I understand it.

00:32:19.800 --> 00:32:22.900
I thought the same thing very, very early.

00:32:22.900 --> 00:32:24.200
I thought the same thing, 20 years ago,

00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:28.600
because if you aren't fuzia stand, you want the absolute

00:32:28.600 --> 00:32:30.700
best. You want everything at 11, you want?

00:32:30.700 --> 00:32:32.000
Just absolute perfection.

00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:37.800
That is great for a hobbyist willing to pay the money for whatever

00:32:37.800 --> 00:32:41.200
it is, you're buying that is not the reality and that is also.

00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.500
What people really need to understand is that is not the reality.

00:32:44.500 --> 00:32:49.000
When you have to scale, to the amount of computers that large

00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:54.000
PC companies, make making your one really cool thing or even

00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:59.000
a hundred, or a thousand is one thing multiply that take that

00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.900
out of 10 million and that is a whole different world.

00:33:01.900 --> 00:33:05.000
They, every person that is sitting on that line,

00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.400
that is slowly assembling a computer.

00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.900
Is, you can see there's an accountant standing right behind

00:33:10.900 --> 00:33:14.100
them, just tapping their feet and with their arms crossed

00:33:14.100 --> 00:33:15.800
going, this is costing us money.

00:33:15.800 --> 00:33:18.000
Why can't you make this faster?

00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.500
Was like, well because people want this to look pretty well.

00:33:21.500 --> 00:33:22.900
Like the accounts going to go.

00:33:22.900 --> 00:33:23.400
I don't care.

00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:24.600
You're just costing us money.

00:33:24.600 --> 00:33:27.600
And there's, you know, there, it's a very different world that

00:33:27.600 --> 00:33:28.600
you live, in, at that point.

00:33:28.600 --> 00:33:30.900
So, I think people got understand that and I I, I

00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:32.200
do take you out.

00:33:33.100 --> 00:33:35.800
I think Hallelujah my face it because although Young's it's

00:33:35.800 --> 00:33:38.400
a b a r, a different, a different classic customer,

00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:41.400
you know? The and again I think I've said this before,

00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:46.400
you have to also respect I can respect a beautifully

00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:48.900
restored, 67 Camaro.

00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:51.200
I just like mom is just beautiful.

00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:55.000
Then somebody it's basically spent every weekend for the last

00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:56.000
10 years of their life.

00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.900
Making everything a perfect.

00:33:57.900 --> 00:33:58.600
That's one thing.

00:33:58.600 --> 00:34:02.900
But I also respect the engineering that goes into making the

00:34:02.900 --> 00:34:07.600
worst car that GM and Toyota makes because they are taking

00:34:07.600 --> 00:34:10.000
something and scaling this thing to making

00:34:10.900 --> 00:34:17.600
You know, 250,000 cars still making a profit on it that in itself

00:34:17.600 --> 00:34:18.400
is something to be respected.

00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:24.600
And yeah I would I take a 67 Camaro or a 2022 Tercel you

00:34:24.600 --> 00:34:27.400
know. I'm going to take the Camaro but I respect the,

00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:29.200
I can't just go.

00:34:29.200 --> 00:34:30.700
Oh my God, this is terrible.

00:34:30.700 --> 00:34:34.300
Yes, terrible for me cuz it's a lousy Budget car but I can't just

00:34:34.300 --> 00:34:35.400
like, who won this?

00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:40.200
And not also go like the amount of business engineering

00:34:40.200 --> 00:34:42.500
and scaling that takes to make that car.

00:34:42.500 --> 00:34:45.100
You have to respect just as much as you respect the person

00:34:45.100 --> 00:34:48.700
who spends 1000 hours to work on their PC order,

00:34:48.700 --> 00:34:53.900
their car. That's my little son, steals the Show.

00:34:53.900 --> 00:34:58.000
Steals can 6671 pass the devil, really?

00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:00.300
The issue is Adele is doing it with ddr5,

00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:03.200
when there is a perfectly good connector already made for it.

00:35:03.200 --> 00:35:05.300
On the other hand, cam might Inspire,

00:35:05.300 --> 00:35:08.700
whatever connectors specified for laptop ddr6.

00:35:08.700 --> 00:35:10.700
So maybe they're coming in too soon.

00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:12.400
What do you mean?

00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:14.600
I'm sorry. I don't like so.

00:35:14.600 --> 00:35:18.800
Didn't is not a problem right now?

00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:25.300
Right there. And remember that this competition coming down

00:35:25.300 --> 00:35:29.300
a workstation part for a reason, if you are looking to get 128

00:35:29.300 --> 00:35:31.900
gigs of RAM with full memory, bandwidth capacity,

00:35:31.900 --> 00:35:33.700
like you can't do that with.

00:35:33.700 --> 00:35:34.700
So it until just now.

00:35:34.700 --> 00:35:40.500
They are. So this already, like if you are denied that need

00:35:40.500 --> 00:35:48.400
this already scratching that itch last minute to try to do something

00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:50.500
brand-new cuz I can tell you it's a disaster.

00:35:50.500 --> 00:35:54.100
If you do that I'll be on standards are laid out years and years

00:35:54.100 --> 00:35:56.300
of advanced it all everybody works together.

00:35:56.300 --> 00:36:00.000
Every PC maker including Apple, Apple's actually still somewhat.

00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.400
They're part of a lot of these organizations everybody.

00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.400
They don't want to just totally, you know,

00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:05.900
step on each others, toes all the time.

00:36:05.900 --> 00:36:07.100
They are working on this end.

00:36:07.100 --> 00:36:10.400
This is about the right time, I guess cuz it feels like ddr5

00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:11.500
will be around 4.

00:36:11.900 --> 00:36:14.200
You know, a few years, I mean,

00:36:14.200 --> 00:36:16.600
they eat the ram acres and they'll have a better insight

00:36:16.600 --> 00:36:18.300
into when we're going to transition of six.

00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:22.900
But clearly, I would say, I don't think it's too early because

00:36:22.900 --> 00:36:26.200
you got to start somewhere and you don't look when they started

00:36:26.200 --> 00:36:29.900
now. And people are still angry and I don't know what it's like,

00:36:29.900 --> 00:36:31.000
the best time to figure it out.

00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.400
So that when it becomes everybody's problem with ddr6,

00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:35.700
it's already sort of figured out.

00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.100
Yeah. You know what?

00:36:40.100 --> 00:36:42.700
Maybe you will have to loop back around of this.

00:36:42.700 --> 00:36:47.200
There's obviously a whole story to be told over time is just the

00:36:47.200 --> 00:36:50.400
beginning. Yeah, you know, I would like this.

00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.500
What Brad said, just really struck me cuz I'm taking the other

00:36:52.500 --> 00:36:54.700
thing that I really want to write a column on that. A

00:36:54.700 --> 00:36:56.200
reminding me about is like him.

00:36:56.200 --> 00:37:00.500
Too. And that's who was like, I can't believe that is like,

00:37:00.500 --> 00:37:03.400
what everybody demands because then the two sosolimited

00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:05.300
there is a name.

00:37:05.300 --> 00:37:06.800
3 connector. That's what have been. The

00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:08.400
talk is actually based on another,

00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:12.800
you know, server, you know, Spectrum, Universal high-end,

00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:13.000
but

00:37:14.100 --> 00:37:15.400
I'm sure when they come out with that,

00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:16.700
people will like no I want them.

00:37:16.700 --> 00:37:17.600
Too, but I like him.

00:37:17.600 --> 00:37:18.300
He's just a horrible.

00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:22.500
Horrible way to me know how stupid is it and see when you get

00:37:22.500 --> 00:37:25.500
to a Gen 5 SSD, you barely got these Gen 4.

00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:29.500
SD would like to think bigger than most people use some of these

00:37:29.500 --> 00:37:33.000
things. And so, we're just going to like,

00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:36.700
we're just going to stick with this stupid gum stick that you're

00:37:36.700 --> 00:37:39.900
going to jam under your graphics card because it's so convenient.

00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:41.700
You know, when they're like we could have done you.

00:37:41.700 --> 00:37:44.400
Too but everybody go, no.

00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:47.800
2, I just like it, you know.

00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:50.000
Keep it moving.

00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.300
Look at Batman, the god of it.

00:37:54.200 --> 00:37:59.100
Alright, cool. Well AMD might be letting go of ddr4.

00:37:59.100 --> 00:38:02.600
This is that true Gordon?

00:38:02.600 --> 00:38:05.500
Could could a M5 only be ddr5,

00:38:05.500 --> 00:38:07.800
you don't Brad.

00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.400
You don't pull out poliquin cover just over Tom's Hardware.

00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:17.200
You won't talk about it cuz I I'm not totally up on what all

00:38:17.200 --> 00:38:18.100
over at Tom's Hardware.

00:38:18.100 --> 00:38:19.300
He's an excellent.

00:38:19.300 --> 00:38:21.400
CT reviewers, EP journalist.

00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:23.200
Like if you have to move the stuff you should be.

00:38:23.200 --> 00:38:25.500
He put out at fault.

00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:32.300
If he's confirmed with several sources, multiple sources,

00:38:32.300 --> 00:38:37.300
is that X 670 and be 6:50 a.m.

00:38:37.300 --> 00:38:42.400
5 platforms. Randy, so what'll support the next gen ryzen 7000.

00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:46.700
I think they're calling it processors will only have support

00:38:46.700 --> 00:38:48.800
for ddr5 memory.

00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:53.500
So until just introduced that with all the lake but they have

00:38:53.500 --> 00:38:58.200
both PDF. Miranda tr5 support court says,

00:38:58.200 --> 00:39:02.300
that's when Andy makes the switch is going to be all in on ddr5.

00:39:04.900 --> 00:39:07.200
and it will also have pcie 5,

00:39:07.200 --> 00:39:09.100
so it'll be matching on the way,

00:39:09.100 --> 00:39:15.300
but they also Paul also reported that rather than having different

00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:17.900
chips like

00:39:19.600 --> 00:39:22.100
right now there's different chipsets for the high-end,

00:39:22.100 --> 00:39:25.500
a tech, 70 boards, and purses to lower one's Paul.

00:39:25.500 --> 00:39:32.400
Also reported that a n d will be having multiple chips chips chips.

00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:35.400
Instead of a bigger tip in the high in bored.

00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:36.600
So that's also a change.

00:39:36.600 --> 00:39:40.100
But this is a big eye opening one is the fact that Andy is

00:39:40.100 --> 00:39:43.500
reportedly looking at you know, making it a clean break and ddr4.

00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:47.300
Yeah, you know, I think it's funny thing with the stories

00:39:47.300 --> 00:39:50.900
like I thought this was already a done deal cuz we've we've

00:39:50.900 --> 00:39:52.800
been discussing this for last couple days like I thought

00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.800
that I'm pretty sure they said that when they announced

00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.000
it was in for tonight.

00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:01.200
I could find zero proof of anybody ever saying that anywhere

00:40:01.200 --> 00:40:05.400
from Lenny talks from me and D looking like,

00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.900
maybe that's just one of those times where we made the assumption

00:40:08.900 --> 00:40:11.200
that it would be only ddr5.

00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:16.300
And you know, a lot of companies if you don't ask any questions

00:40:16.300 --> 00:40:18.300
they they will not volunteer that information.

00:40:18.300 --> 00:40:22.800
So that's why I was kind of surprised cuz I thought it was a

00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:29.900
done deal but this sounds like okay if we is a done deal because

00:40:29.900 --> 00:40:37.100
obviously ddr5 prices through the roof right now is when it first

00:40:37.100 --> 00:40:38.400
came out, was just ludicrous.

00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:40.100
Like there's no reason to do it.

00:40:40.100 --> 00:40:46.300
Now it's getting a little bit more affordable and but the performance

00:40:46.300 --> 00:40:49.400
gains at this point, it's still very early days are not huge

00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:50.500
compared to the higher-end.

00:40:50.500 --> 00:40:52.600
Ddr4 chips to a lot of people like where they doing,

00:40:52.600 --> 00:40:56.400
they're insane AMD R5, but

00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:58.500
And he's made a lot of noise,

00:40:58.500 --> 00:41:01.600
Lisa suicide that, you know, we're hoping that a.m.

00:41:01.600 --> 00:41:04.000
5, we're hoping it's a long-term stock.

00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.900
It just like a important than which has been awesome.

00:41:05.900 --> 00:41:08.800
So if you're going to do that it makes sense for me to come

00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:12.000
out here after until so they can break the ice with ddr5.

00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.100
They're getting those prices coming down and then base a.m.

00:41:15.100 --> 00:41:21.100
5 around ddr5 only so that in the future we just saw a M4

00:41:21.100 --> 00:41:24.500
x370 boards. Get support for the 50 800 x.

00:41:27.500 --> 00:41:29.000
If you want her to do that,

00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:33.100
if I am five, you bought a ddr4 board and then two or three

00:41:33.100 --> 00:41:36.900
generations. Dental on, you want to upgrade to a ryzen 10000

00:41:36.900 --> 00:41:39.900
but it doesn't support the memory because the mother everything's

00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:44.000
on ddr5. Now and the original portion of the board that you picked

00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:44.800
up only a ddr4,

00:41:46.100 --> 00:41:51.200
Yeah, I ain't trying to I just again I I sort of assumed that

00:41:51.200 --> 00:41:52.400
was a way would be because I,

00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:58.500
I figured ddr5 will be way more affordable but time it comes

00:41:58.500 --> 00:41:59.800
out in the fall issue.

00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.200
Every kind speculates, it'll be out in the fall.

00:42:02.200 --> 00:42:07.500
So if you have done for the fall that's another we do for four

00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:12.100
months of of Tito's price if Fort Worth 60.

00:42:12.100 --> 00:42:13.700
I mean it'll be quite a few months for Dr.

00:42:13.700 --> 00:42:14.800
5 price. As it gets better.

00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:20.400
And I almost that's why I kind of have been thinking that AP use

00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.200
what you've always been so cautious.

00:42:22.200 --> 00:42:26.400
So they do Orizon, you know, 5080 you with our DNA to,

00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:29.900
you know, I was going to Mobile Parts moved over into into those

00:42:29.900 --> 00:42:30.400
boards because

00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:32.900
Those are not high end users.

00:42:32.900 --> 00:42:35.300
I can have discreet and it makes sense.

00:42:35.300 --> 00:42:37.300
I mean, the only negative is you don't have.

00:42:37.300 --> 00:42:41.000
You don't have ddr5 for the greater never Daniel with,

00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:44.200
which is some of the magic of our DNA test.

00:42:44.200 --> 00:42:46.800
Does it does it make sense to do our DNA to in ddr4?

00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.400
I guess. We'll have to wait and see I think,

00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.000
but would still, when we talk to you gotta remember,

00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.500
when we talked to amda about that,

00:42:55.500 --> 00:42:58.100
he's already in a two gpus and laptops or they just debuted,

00:42:58.100 --> 00:43:01.600
they said they were going all ddr5 on these laptops because

00:43:01.600 --> 00:43:04.400
we need this to have already at 8 to work,

00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.300
like it needs the greater memory bandwidth to get the games

00:43:07.300 --> 00:43:11.300
that we see again, if they're going to migrate their next-gen

00:43:11.300 --> 00:43:11.700
chips,

00:43:12.900 --> 00:43:14.400
Over 2 a.m.

00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.000
5. It makes sense to have that plug into place.

00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.900
Feels like the way.

00:43:19.900 --> 00:43:23.400
The way that makes sense from a business point of view is weec,

00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:26.400
high ends and 4 to compete with high.

00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:30.300
And until we do high-end, meaning discreet standard discrete

00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:33.600
GPU built for, that'll be the battle the end of this year.

00:43:33.600 --> 00:43:37.500
But then also, at the low-end, entry-level you push out,

00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:40.600
you use the same Parts going into laptops.

00:43:40.600 --> 00:43:43.200
Now if there's enough of them and you put them into a.m.

00:43:43.200 --> 00:43:46.400
for just me and for products that you have a low-cost,

00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:50.900
you know, we know very decent integrated Graphics at low in in

00:43:50.900 --> 00:43:53.600
the next year then you go now we're going to introduce

00:43:53.600 --> 00:43:56.300
obviously whatever our future product AP use,

00:43:56.300 --> 00:43:59.700
that will go into the M5 sockets so it feels like it.

00:43:59.700 --> 00:44:00.600
Get why not?

00:44:00.600 --> 00:44:03.900
Why not reuse those parts to get more sales this year?

00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:08.500
Cuz if you have to wait all the way for ddr5 to become affordable,

00:44:08.500 --> 00:44:12.400
it seems like a long time for the current AP music.

00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:14.900
Especially when they can, they could use a bump.

00:44:14.900 --> 00:44:16.100
We'll see. We'll see.

00:44:16.100 --> 00:44:20.100
Because I suspect that's right.

00:44:20.100 --> 00:44:21.900
And 5,000 and a row stick around,

00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:24.000
just a bunch of the option that would be surprised by in Digos

00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:27.600
that route. But you got to remember that this generation

00:44:27.600 --> 00:44:30.800
they transition their desktop pay to use the two premium

00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.000
chips like we're used to talking about the ryzen CPUs being

00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:38.900
the core i3s Max Core I5 or 200 250 bucks but this generation

00:44:38.900 --> 00:44:40.500
the desktop baby use that you can buy.

00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:43.200
They start at like 270 bucks at the other ones,

00:44:43.200 --> 00:44:50.400
three hundred and fifty bucks, that is also because I don't

00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.400
know if he feels like they at the lower end.

00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:56.000
They didn't quite have the the battle they did now.

00:44:56.000 --> 00:45:01.100
I mean in tall is yet is going in you know both when both

00:45:01.100 --> 00:45:03.300
fist punch and so I feel like they ate,

00:45:03.300 --> 00:45:06.700
they have to get some more competitive Parts at the lower end

00:45:06.700 --> 00:45:09.600
so I don't know why me want to see him in this is this

00:45:09.600 --> 00:45:11.200
is always the funny thing about business and

00:45:12.100 --> 00:45:14.800
Everybody here, you know you sitting at the bar and you're

00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.900
thinking telling your gas and what people should do.

00:45:17.900 --> 00:45:22.300
But the people who are actually doing it at better inside

00:45:22.300 --> 00:45:24.000
of the ones that are enough to make the choice.

00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.900
Yeah, well it and I'm trying to think I'm like,

00:45:26.900 --> 00:45:30.700
okay, so obviously wrap your leg is going to let you know,

00:45:30.700 --> 00:45:34.700
cuz it's it's still the same still the same chipset,

00:45:34.700 --> 00:45:36.700
so it's still going to be Dr.

00:45:36.700 --> 00:45:37.900
For ddr5, right?

00:45:37.900 --> 00:45:42.500
So, but whatever is after referee like out of a member with

00:45:42.500 --> 00:45:44.700
smokes, after after, like, me and you or like,

00:45:44.700 --> 00:45:48.700
I forget how, that's probably just going to be right.

00:45:49.700 --> 00:45:54.300
Yeah well it's hard to say I mean I think they they would have

00:45:54.300 --> 00:45:58.400
to base it on how the r a m situation looks.

00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:04.300
It may be too early then because you there's a there's a lower

00:46:04.300 --> 00:46:09.700
cost for people who have money in some places and then you go

00:46:09.700 --> 00:46:12.200
to you. No more developing nations were like you know what I want

00:46:12.200 --> 00:46:14.000
to sell a product are they may?

00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:14.700
You know Dr.

00:46:14.700 --> 00:46:17.700
For just may simply be what they have to do for that and you

00:46:17.700 --> 00:46:21.700
know I can't see them cutting it out that soon it is possible.

00:46:23.100 --> 00:46:24.900
What were the Ben wouldn't am?

00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:25.900
5 this year?

00:46:25.900 --> 00:46:31.000
Be really early, but I mean, if I am 5 is ddr5 only.

00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:35.100
So it'll be 75.

00:46:35.100 --> 00:46:36.700
The high-end 7000 Parts.

00:46:36.700 --> 00:46:37.300
Not a,

00:46:38.600 --> 00:46:40.100
I know, but it better be, that's why I'm saying,

00:46:40.100 --> 00:46:42.400
but then until you're saying, intel was going to continue

00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:44.400
with this. Hey do you still do your Ford dealer?

00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:48.800
Or dr5? Well, because they're so what until the thing is until

00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.700
they they don't want to sell the old how many still have them?

00:46:51.700 --> 00:46:53.900
They're kind of like handle I seen him but you know you hate.

00:46:53.900 --> 00:46:54.900
Take older Parts.

00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:56.700
Those are going away.

00:46:56.700 --> 00:46:58.600
What Intel would want to do is

00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:05.600
You know, your current pulse and has memory controllers

00:47:05.600 --> 00:47:10.200
for ddr4, indeed are five so they can build for many different

00:47:10.200 --> 00:47:14.600
markets from him and they can sell 12th gen CPU to those markets.

00:47:14.600 --> 00:47:16.600
So they wanted to sell what they don't want it.

00:47:16.600 --> 00:47:19.200
They don't want to sell two different things where it sounds

00:47:19.200 --> 00:47:21.800
like an MD sort of their stopgap approaches.

00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.000
We do high-end and five ddr5.

00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.300
And then we have are low in with older you know zenn Parts

00:47:28.300 --> 00:47:34.600
with am four so weird middle.

00:47:34.600 --> 00:47:39.200
Then you'd also get rid of people who look maybe buy into it and

00:47:39.200 --> 00:47:40.700
then they can't in socket upgrade.

00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:44.500
Yeah, because it's like, oh okay you know,

00:47:44.500 --> 00:47:45.300
two years from now.

00:47:45.300 --> 00:47:47.600
If you look in her eyes and you want to go budget,

00:47:47.600 --> 00:47:49.900
it's still a in for, you know,

00:47:49.900 --> 00:47:53.100
but there's any way, I am 5 stuff so you kind of get rid of

00:47:53.100 --> 00:47:53.900
that upgrade, right?

00:47:53.900 --> 00:47:55.100
For the people who are always.

00:47:55.100 --> 00:47:56.300
Look at the outside will happen.

00:47:56.300 --> 00:47:58.500
If those people they're getting on this bus that's going to,

00:47:58.500 --> 00:48:00.000
is he going to be going to know where?

00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:03.300
Yeah, but you know the best thing is that the really cheap

00:48:03.300 --> 00:48:07.200
ride to get to the the nowhere Park and I think we got people

00:48:07.200 --> 00:48:10.100
who tend to buy budget Parts, don't tend to upgrade their chips.

00:48:10.100 --> 00:48:11.900
I think very few people said that paid their shift,

00:48:11.900 --> 00:48:13.800
begin with, but especially people who buy budget,

00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:19.600
you know, we're still working on the promise,

00:48:19.600 --> 00:48:20.900
but I mean, that was the idea,

00:48:20.900 --> 00:48:23.600
right? You know what, like, what they didn't keep around fx's,

00:48:23.600 --> 00:48:24.600
like a budget option.

00:48:24.600 --> 00:48:26.100
They they threw it aside and said,

00:48:26.100 --> 00:48:27.100
hey, and forth.

00:48:27.100 --> 00:48:29.200
This is where we're at for a little bit.

00:48:29.200 --> 00:48:34.000
I mean pretty well worn out by the time rising to come out there

00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.500
a little bit, I think.

00:48:36.500 --> 00:48:41.100
But again this gets back to our earlier discussion think of like a

00:48:41.100 --> 00:48:44.000
decent. Should we do DDR Barber should we do continue

00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.700
with, like, Alyssa ryzen 7000 on him for

00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:50.100
if those people love the upgrades and,

00:48:50.100 --> 00:48:52.600
you know, they would March themselves into getting a blitter a

00:48:52.600 --> 00:48:54.300
turd because then I have to be there at 5,

00:48:54.300 --> 00:48:56.200
right? That's just, it's one of the things like people.

00:48:56.200 --> 00:48:58.000
Yeah, I ate to me.

00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.900
It's amazing that you can do these old-school upgrade,

00:49:00.900 --> 00:49:02.700
that's really, really, really appealing.

00:49:02.700 --> 00:49:08.000
But you're looking at Major change to ddr5 and pcie 5 to me,

00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:09.400
it's worth it.

00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:12.100
We just got to finally break it again once in awhile happen.

00:49:12.100 --> 00:49:15.200
If you can't, like, expect ten years of service out of a socket,

00:49:15.200 --> 00:49:15.800
it's just impossible.

00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:20.200
So I think it's important to point out that Paul's story only

00:49:20.200 --> 00:49:24.100
talks about x670 and be 6:50 a.m.

00:49:24.100 --> 00:49:29.800
pie platforms. AMD traditionally a budget, a platform as well.

00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:34.000
And there is a chance that that platform goes ddr4.

00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:40.500
I think what what will when will finally really know is if there

00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:44.100
will be ddr4 is when we get to the briefings and believe

00:49:44.100 --> 00:49:47.300
me some a hole like me or Paul will go like our what's in

00:49:47.300 --> 00:49:49.400
the memory controller and tell Scott, you know,

00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:55.500
LP for lp5 ddr5 ddr4 with your memory controller and he's going

00:49:55.500 --> 00:49:56.000
to go out.

00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:59.800
We got Dr for but you know obviously XC70 if they do that,

00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:03.800
they ended is entirely possible that they have X 670 with ddr5.

00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:06.900
And then as we get into the end of next year,

00:50:06.900 --> 00:50:08.900
when they get no more budget Parts,

00:50:08.900 --> 00:50:11.900
you get a ddr4 option 2 for people who do it.

00:50:11.900 --> 00:50:16.100
So it's entirely possible that it's a weird thing,

00:50:16.100 --> 00:50:19.800
like, because I made the assumption that it was a done deal,

00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:21.800
but clearly I was wrong.

00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:27.900
Paul story says, oh it's definitely dr5 only but exit 74 B,

00:50:27.900 --> 00:50:33.000
5 b 540 or b550 maybe there will be a ddr4 option,

00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:34.900
right? They don't that doesn't say no to it,

00:50:34.900 --> 00:50:36.200
it just feels

00:50:36.900 --> 00:50:38.900
Messi Messi in a way that a.m.

00:50:38.900 --> 00:50:42.100
for wasn't I'm sorry but there's an I don't really,

00:50:42.100 --> 00:50:50.800
I'm just flirting or not, that's why I took the time to do everything.

00:50:55.300 --> 00:50:57.400
Like, even angels, I love you.

00:50:58.900 --> 00:51:03.700
5800 X and the x370 backwards compatibility for ryzen.

00:51:03.700 --> 00:51:07.700
5000 chip. It's only for x370, it's only for the high-end

00:51:07.700 --> 00:51:09.800
boards. So it to me if they're worried about,

00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:12.200
you know, these chicks working with future upgrades,

00:51:12.200 --> 00:51:15.600
we want a M522 have a long life like before it makes sense

00:51:15.600 --> 00:51:19.000
to me for X 672b ddr5 boldly.

00:51:21.500 --> 00:51:23.100
I'm sorry you're here.

00:51:23.100 --> 00:51:24.000
It's going to get messy.

00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.200
Sometimes the way it is but I could be less messy.

00:51:28.200 --> 00:51:31.200
If it's like hey you know what a M5 across-the-board

00:51:31.200 --> 00:51:34.500
do your five only no, no chips a different song.

00:51:34.500 --> 00:51:37.400
Oh yeah I think that's where it's going to get messy,

00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:43.200
right? If I could put a different ship in there but technically

00:51:43.200 --> 00:51:47.900
I don't think when you know you buy a 12:10 board inside of the

00:51:47.900 --> 00:51:51.200
year. For ddr5 it's clear to the thaibox I know but that's

00:51:51.200 --> 00:51:52.200
it. And I mean that's the thing.

00:51:52.200 --> 00:51:54.700
People don't like about the until things that they have to pick

00:51:54.700 --> 00:51:58.400
Ryan and I know it's just like oh my God just like oh nice.

00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:00.300
I want to be just floating on my back in a,

00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:03.900
in a in an Icelandic Lake which is perfectly with some lilies

00:52:03.900 --> 00:52:07.000
and then you're there and then Apple comes by and mowers by you.

00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:08.600
And you're like, there's no cookie.

00:52:08.600 --> 00:52:12.100
And they're circling around you like, oh my God,

00:52:12.100 --> 00:52:14.400
I need to be on my jet ski now.

00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.800
How come I didn't get on a jet ski because you wanted perfectly

00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:21.100
pristine Waters at never change in like it's so calm.

00:52:21.500 --> 00:52:22.400
Everything I know. I

00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:23.200
get it, I get it.

00:52:23.200 --> 00:52:28.000
I mean, it's if I can tell because until everybody gets angry

00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:29.900
me to over like, oh my God,

00:52:29.900 --> 00:52:31.100
another new socket.

00:52:31.100 --> 00:52:33.600
Or this chipset is incompatible with this CPU,

00:52:33.600 --> 00:52:37.300
were like this insane but they, you know,

00:52:37.300 --> 00:52:38.500
they move everybody along.

00:52:38.500 --> 00:52:41.300
They got everybody, two pcie five pretty quickly.

00:52:41.300 --> 00:52:42.600
Write all their new customers.

00:52:42.600 --> 00:52:43.900
Aren't, you know, this, just so many things.

00:52:43.900 --> 00:52:49.200
The nice thing about breaking it off every two years is you're

00:52:49.200 --> 00:52:50.200
not stuck with people going.

00:52:50.200 --> 00:52:52.600
I got this 7 year old motherboard.

00:52:52.600 --> 00:52:56.100
I want to see if you for and then like maybe you could spend

00:52:56.100 --> 00:52:58.200
some money cuz we like money kind of thing.

00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:00.600
Okay, sorry.

00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:06.700
Interesting stuff. Yeah, it's all.

00:53:06.700 --> 00:53:12.200
So yeah, I'm also not convinced the 285 is coming up anytime

00:53:12.200 --> 00:53:14.200
soon. Either really gets pushed.

00:53:14.200 --> 00:53:15.800
Know why would you think that?

00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:16.700
I don't know why.

00:53:16.700 --> 00:53:20.100
Or what what's your ID?

00:53:20.100 --> 00:53:24.200
I don't know how things just feel weird.

00:53:24.200 --> 00:53:25.300
I don't know why I like that.

00:53:25.300 --> 00:53:27.300
I feel the same way for 4 40 series.

00:53:27.300 --> 00:53:31.800
The new Nvidia GeForce 40 series is right around the corner

00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:43.100
and I'm sure they probably wanted to come out now but I don't know.

00:53:43.100 --> 00:53:50.800
I mean that you can't bet on things being a sure bet because

00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:54.800
We know clearly world events, take over,

00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:57.400
and if you can't get your products onto a ship and over here

00:53:57.400 --> 00:53:59.400
then you ain't going to be able to watch it.

00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:03.400
But we have to ask everybody who sold their 1080p eyes and 20

00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:07.500
ATT eyes make room for that 38 weeks before it launched

00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:12.500
my god. Oh, I hope those people go like whoever gave me that

00:54:12.500 --> 00:54:12.700
advice.

00:54:18.100 --> 00:54:24.000
I hope we have a for the show and I'm sitting here looking

00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:28.200
at Mike 2133, MHz DDR3 RAM.

00:54:28.200 --> 00:54:33.200
Hearing everything Gordon the saying, you know.

00:54:33.200 --> 00:54:36.700
If it's if it's not broke I'll fix it for the show,

00:54:36.700 --> 00:54:38.000
from hardocp TV.

00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:44.800
He predicts 4090 in Q3 I'm going to save you for no,

00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:45.500
wake you 3.

00:54:45.500 --> 00:54:52.200
I think you three can see dialing the launch to,

00:54:52.200 --> 00:54:54.100
to maximum interfere with Intel.

00:54:54.100 --> 00:54:54.900
That's what I think.

00:54:54.900 --> 00:54:55.200
It'll be.

00:54:56.200 --> 00:54:57.200
I think they will.

00:54:57.200 --> 00:55:00.600
I think a buyer Invidia you go like oh you know,

00:55:00.600 --> 00:55:02.300
cuz they they are business intelligence.

00:55:02.300 --> 00:55:05.000
I'm still feels like they know more about when their competitors

00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:05.900
are launching than their competitors.

00:55:05.900 --> 00:55:09.700
Do you feel like, oh, you got your new work,

00:55:09.700 --> 00:55:11.500
whatever, and then they just wait in like,

00:55:11.500 --> 00:55:15.000
40 me to 40 hours later that cuz that's,

00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.000
that's just always been how they play,

00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:20.500
which I know people get angry about how competitive and videos,

00:55:20.500 --> 00:55:23.800
but as an outside Observer, it's it's it's really entertaining.

00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:27.700
No fun for Brad, but fun for us for a reason.

00:55:27.700 --> 00:55:32.600
Anyway, we're done before we have to get out of here.

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If you have any questions, get them in the chat right now at PC

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worlds so that I can see it clearly.

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And if you're listening or watching this later,

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there's a link to or Discord in the description find folks

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over there. And we have a channel for folder questions.

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As some of the wish I will read.

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First off, I want to get to a super chat from friendly show.

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My Quinton, thank you so much.

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Give us 40.

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$5, thank you.

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Thank you, set.

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Multiple questions. Here will ddr5 address the two stick versus

00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:07.100
4, sticks of ram concerned.

00:56:07.100 --> 00:56:10.500
And why don't we discuss it to vs46 on laptops?

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The first question, I mean this is where you like but you know

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it's funny cuz I member in specifically said by the way dr.

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Eating catchers look at tech, tech potatoes,

00:56:30.900 --> 00:56:33.600
and subscribe and and like his videos.

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He asked me, do you think you will you call this quad-channel

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or dual Channel?

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And I think, at the time I said I was I was still consider

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calling ddr5 dual-channel.

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It was just because there were times when I see some vendors

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1 to call a dual Channel or quad Channel,

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but everybody seems so settle on calling it a dual-channel,

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even though there are sub channels within the dims,

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I don't know if it's necessarily solve the,

00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:05.200
I mean, I guess, does it fix the same as you get down that

00:57:05.200 --> 00:57:07.600
rabbit hole of dual ranked and single,

00:57:07.600 --> 00:57:14.000
ranked fordham's Daisy, trace a daisy, Change apology when you

00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:17.800
know, I'm sorry I probably have to sit down and think about

00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:20.600
it a lot harder because frankly, I can,

00:57:20.600 --> 00:57:22.700
my brain is at the point where I can only concentrate,

00:57:22.700 --> 00:57:24.300
maybe I'm two things at a time now.

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I mean, yeah, I mean I guess cuz you have to do some channels,

00:57:28.600 --> 00:57:36.600
probably a bitching to see you do for them ddr5 versus and I guess that's

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something we could do.

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Ddr4 dimm ddr5 versus to dim ddr5 to see if there's any difference.

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I bet they're probably isn't going to be so and then flopped

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and you do the same deal with instantly.

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Although, you know, ddr5 on laptops, I don't think has the same

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amount of sub channels is DDR3 that LP,

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LP 5 doesn't have the same amount of sub channels.

00:57:58.300 --> 00:58:00.600
As his desktop ddr5, right?

00:58:00.600 --> 00:58:03.600
Again, this is something you have to like you have to read like

00:58:03.600 --> 00:58:08.600
15 PDF for micron before you committed to my brain.

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So I think ya were probably I think you Two channels is probably

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still find that way.

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I will even all of my Andy testing that I did for 5800 x3d,

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I did dual Bank intentionally because I wanted to make that

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not a question versus, you know why people like,

00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:28.900
during during course, a single rank is like one of those just

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do two tutoring.

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And they also said that you answer the next question,

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which is this is, 26 better than 46 kind of and then says,

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Gordon is right in the end.

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To stick of gum is awful.

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Yeah. But, you know, people are they actually insisted we had

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to get here.

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They absolutely insisted liking to get angry like I was like, oh

00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:52.800
my God, just use them.

00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:56.700
He was like, this is only a limited is always in the worst-case.

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And then every motherboard make her have to cover it up with

00:58:59.300 --> 00:59:02.100
some stupid cover that you got to pull the whole damn system.

00:59:02.100 --> 00:59:04.400
Out of just to get the car is just I think it's just a

00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:05.600
terrible system for that.

00:59:05.600 --> 00:59:07.200
We've all settled and I don't understand why

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You know, we couldn't come up with some,

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you better. You.

00:59:10.700 --> 00:59:14.800
Two would have been so much better idea of having little ssds

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Eagan, son to the month, board, super convenient,

00:59:16.700 --> 00:59:17.700
and good for aesthetic.

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Cuz I like that a lot but just the way that it's been arranged

00:59:20.700 --> 00:59:22.500
like put them under gpus.

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I hate so much for you to do this in like it,

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if it's so thermally and so power limited it just sucks,

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you know? I mean,

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And will you put the Gen 5 ssds on?

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And look at the stupid he spreaders for gem for,

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right? And just I just

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But know, everybody wasn't so absolutely, like,

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no, we got to have em.

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To this is stupid.

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Why, why would you do these other things?

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Good for 12 form factor.

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That's why I like it.

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And I was like, oh, so we're all pushing aesthetic,

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space or some other company.

01:00:04.900 --> 01:00:07.100
A customer is that it's all about Aesthetics.

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It's a question this is from a while ago so I hold onto it

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from a Keith whisman Weisman said which which is better,

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High Castle agency in high MHz or lower MHz and very low cast

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latency.

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Play so wave, Hi Megan.

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And Lucas is always in the middle saying which is better.

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You have unfortunately, of high latency but you have a higher

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MHz or you have a lower MHz,

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but you have a lower caste.

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So there's literally nothing.

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I think it probably just depends on the workload,

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which ones on the conditions.

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You're testing your running.

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Actually, it depends on the condition that you are doing the

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task. You're running at not doing some silly benchmarking.

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Like what I would do and then also depends on the processor.

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So every different CPU design has benefits for different

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scenarios. So I can't really answer that.

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I think there's certainly some scenarios where High clocks

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would benefit over low latency and there's definitely

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a lot of scenarios were low.

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Latency benefits, what are some examples of a generally

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slower?

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Latency is better for gaming, right?

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But he even if it's a slower,

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make, it hurts very low, low latency until has been that crap.

01:01:38.300 --> 01:01:42.500
I would, I kind of would be interested in seeing we didn't

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talk about it earlier, but, you know,

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there's talk of Andy, introducing its own memory profiles

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Expo, I think.

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And then ran Roar ramp Rising something man.

01:01:53.200 --> 01:01:57.300
Memory profile. R i z i o b ramp in an expo.

01:01:57.300 --> 01:01:59.300
They're basically talking about coming up with her,

01:01:59.300 --> 01:02:01.300
their own actually, let's see.

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This is a video cards.com.

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I am jiexpo ended profiles for overclocking talking about Angie

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coming up with its own memory profiles for memory ddr5 in XMP

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when they when they launched it with alter like maybe they talked

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about the new XMP profile.

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So would be

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Dirty more profiles and it was a custom custom customizable

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profile. So you could have your to factory profiles for SMP as

01:02:36.700 --> 01:02:41.300
well as you know, putting your own personal XMP profile into

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the module and then identified as pretty cool utility going

01:02:43.900 --> 01:02:44.600
to have. So you can do that,

01:02:44.600 --> 01:02:46.600
you know, AMD has its own thing.

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What I you know this was actually introduced with older like I

01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:54.300
don't think I've seen any testing and I have not had any testing

01:02:54.300 --> 01:02:57.300
done, any testing around it but there were some scenarios

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were how about both.

01:02:59.100 --> 01:03:03.700
So if you can if you're running gaming,

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you used to like the profile for low latency and if you're

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running say, maybe some maybe memory in Kotor favors,

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I clock speeds.

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Let you know what I'll be at higher latency,

01:03:15.900 --> 01:03:19.100
maybe then you can, you can run that other profile and their

01:03:19.100 --> 01:03:21.400
memory and tell talk about this for some time where you can sort

01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:24.500
of pick your different profiles, you cancer change it on scenario.

01:03:24.500 --> 01:03:26.400
I don't think it's really quite

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Materialized yet. Although to be fair, I haven't tested it.

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But that would be I think seems like the best scenario rather

01:03:33.600 --> 01:03:36.100
than that in an Andy thing is I think I can afford them.

01:03:36.100 --> 01:03:36.900
It's good because

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One of the problems you ran into with the original Rising.

01:03:41.500 --> 01:03:44.300
Launch was like every single module maker,

01:03:44.300 --> 01:03:47.700
they validated friends helped because we're going to Valatie

01:03:47.700 --> 01:03:49.200
for an F X part, they didn't do it.

01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:54.400
So when everybody's validating memory for one platform in your

01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:57.900
platform comes out in the XMP profile doesn't really work well

01:03:57.900 --> 01:04:00.800
with you. Your kind of at a disadvantage sew ins and he sort

01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:04.700
of had to have you know, its own profiles to like hey this makes our

01:04:04.700 --> 01:04:05.700
parts run better.

01:04:05.700 --> 01:04:09.500
I would hope you don't have to buy AMD memory verses Anto memory

01:04:09.500 --> 01:04:14.400
which has been the way it has been for twenty years would be cool

01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:17.400
if like maybe there's enough space in these new ddr5.

01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:25.500
I'll just for so earlier like XMP getting his first upgrade

01:04:25.500 --> 01:04:28.600
since 2007 and AMD throwing out Expo.

01:04:28.600 --> 01:04:31.700
Like again like we're just again push and Technology beyond

01:04:31.700 --> 01:04:33.600
what has been the standard for decades.

01:04:33.600 --> 01:04:39.000
This point I just super fascinating pain.

01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:44.400
If everything was ddr4 2133 then we would have no problem.

01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:45.800
We just try not to think about it.

01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:48.900
Nothing. After what, why do we even need to hear for DDR3?

01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:51.600
Not to worry about it.

01:04:51.600 --> 01:04:52.700
Sounds like there's somebody in the chat.

01:04:52.700 --> 01:05:05.800
It is a crucial p21 right now that I got new with the store

01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:06.700
for 60 bucks.

01:05:06.700 --> 01:05:09.600
I was thinking of getting something like the Aura Sphere,

01:05:09.600 --> 01:05:12.900
a price thinking of getting something like a tourist pcie4

01:05:12.900 --> 01:05:17.700
that is rated at 7,000 or the Samsung 890 Pro.

01:05:17.700 --> 01:05:22.500
Is it worth the upgrade for gaming or is that a 2400 speed

01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:24.600
on pci3? More than sufficient nowadays?

01:05:24.600 --> 01:05:28.000
Know we're actually just talked about this the other day.

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Internally realize that the best majority of the improvements

01:05:34.600 --> 01:05:36.700
that you get from moving to an SSD for gaming.

01:05:36.700 --> 01:05:40.000
You get that from his fat ass has to be an nvme SSD.

01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:43.800
Definitely get you 95% the way they are you really owe me?

01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:47.400
You should really at this point considering moving to PCI for

01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:50.700
PCI E5 SSD switch our name to Bellevue yet.

01:05:50.700 --> 01:05:54.600
If your video editing or moving around,

01:05:54.600 --> 01:05:57.500
huge files around you drive all day or something like that.

01:05:57.500 --> 01:05:59.100
Like it. When it comes to gaming,

01:05:59.100 --> 01:06:00.900
I would not look up great that specifically,

01:06:00.900 --> 01:06:03.800
the only thing that I know of that,

01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:07.500
might go rent one that in the near term is what's it called?

01:06:07.500 --> 01:06:11.800
Direct direct storage Windows, Microsoft, direct storage,

01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:15.100
but they have said that that will work with any nvme drive.

01:06:15.100 --> 01:06:19.300
So that includes pcie, 3.0 went to see the particulars

01:06:19.300 --> 01:06:21.500
of that. But for right now, if you already have an Indian,

01:06:21.500 --> 01:06:24.800
me drive, I would not look to upgrade cuz I don't think you'll

01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:28.500
feel the gaming enhancements if you get hired to dress.

01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:34.800
Disappointing to go from once you go from a hard drive to 20 Satur

01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:36.200
Drive is like night and day.

01:06:36.200 --> 01:06:44.000
Going from satta to the Gen 3 nvme drivers like you know it's

01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:47.400
better but you know it's not a huge and then cuz you kind of

01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:51.600
move up at the diminishing returns are not great.

01:06:51.600 --> 01:06:52.800
I will at though.

01:06:55.100 --> 01:07:01.100
Doing storage testing is very difficult to quantify and there's

01:07:01.100 --> 01:07:04.100
actually a benchmark that's in 3dmark that they added,

01:07:04.100 --> 01:07:10.200
which is specifically at 8, a gaming storage bench,

01:07:10.200 --> 01:07:11.400
mark, that they added to it.

01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:14.900
So you can, you can take it and you can run,

01:07:14.900 --> 01:07:17.400
there's like four or five different scenarios like running

01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:19.000
me to Battlefield 5.

01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:21.500
One of them is copying files were playing games.

01:07:21.500 --> 01:07:25.900
One of them is, is streaming will playing games and I ran across

01:07:25.900 --> 01:07:28.700
external storage because I kind of want to see what the difference

01:07:28.700 --> 01:07:30.400
was. Obviously hard drive sucked.

01:07:31.500 --> 01:07:34.800
And I was kind of really, it was saddening to see,

01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:36.900
like, you know what, you got to an SSD.

01:07:38.100 --> 01:07:43.300
To a faster external SSD, didn't make that much as much a difference

01:07:43.300 --> 01:07:47.200
in clearly internal was was was markedly better.

01:07:47.200 --> 01:07:54.700
But if if I'm to believe what three marks Benchmark tells me generally

01:07:54.700 --> 01:07:57.700
an octane Drive is actually going to give you the best performance

01:07:57.700 --> 01:08:01.000
and gaming and that is because rip in.

01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:04.200
Yeah and say I need a lot of this is the been a lot

01:08:04.200 --> 01:08:08.000
of the the guidance from Intel I know people never trust until

01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:11.200
but that the guidance has been looked a lot of things you do on

01:08:11.200 --> 01:08:14.300
your PC or not sitting here in Ripon 25g to cross,

01:08:14.300 --> 01:08:19.100
right? And most of it is just simply is very low,

01:08:19.100 --> 01:08:21.600
I owe you just very low aiops,

01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:22.300
it's just that one.

01:08:22.300 --> 01:08:27.100
You just don't, you basically need super fast responsiveness

01:08:27.100 --> 01:08:31.400
and that's what I'll pay and was really good at sew-in if you

01:08:31.400 --> 01:08:33.800
actually look at the results from the 3D Mark Benchmark.

01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:35.400
I think I was actually kick everybody's butt,

01:08:35.400 --> 01:08:36.500
so

01:08:37.200 --> 01:08:39.800
But you'll believe it or not, but you know, that,

01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:41.700
that might be an interesting way to go.

01:08:41.700 --> 01:08:44.300
I don't know if that's true or not.

01:08:44.300 --> 01:08:46.800
I actually have an octane Drive in my machine at home,

01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:48.100
but my machine is still slow.

01:08:48.100 --> 01:08:49.100
I don't know if it makes him,

01:08:49.100 --> 01:08:51.800
but don't look great.

01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:57.500
Great for Damon, save your money and put some RGB in your case.

01:08:57.500 --> 01:09:02.300
Yeah, that'll make your games.

01:09:02.300 --> 01:09:02.900
Go way faster.

01:09:02.900 --> 01:09:05.800
You get to Margie being there cuz I mean I feel like that but

01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:09.200
then sometimes it's one of those things where the entire hard

01:09:09.200 --> 01:09:13.300
work. And then sometimes you will sit down.

01:09:13.300 --> 01:09:16.100
I will sit down at a laptop with a gen-four drive.

01:09:16.100 --> 01:09:17.300
I swear to God.

01:09:17.300 --> 01:09:18.700
It is just so fast.

01:09:18.700 --> 01:09:21.600
Like it makes my stupid desktop feel slow and then sometimes

01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:25.700
I wonder if we're just really losing side of it cuz we all go

01:09:25.700 --> 01:09:27.700
off. Our tests are Pooja pants and all this,

01:09:27.700 --> 01:09:28.500
and all these different things.

01:09:28.500 --> 01:09:31.300
But sometimes just that, snappiness, that you're sitting

01:09:31.300 --> 01:09:32.800
there with that laptop in like, if it's

01:09:33.700 --> 01:09:36.600
If I can Vlasic pickle, it's got that snap.

01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:39.500
Yeah, I mean like being high high performance autopsy really

01:09:39.500 --> 01:09:43.600
feel far snappier than any of the desktops I use which is kind of

01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:45.200
crazy when you smoke.

01:09:45.200 --> 01:09:46.100
Do you smoke?

01:09:46.100 --> 01:09:47.100
That's not what I mean.

01:09:47.100 --> 01:09:50.300
But still you have a laptop that it's just like me and part

01:09:50.300 --> 01:09:52.100
of that is it's got a gen-four drive.

01:09:52.100 --> 01:09:54.100
It's got a CPU that pushes really,

01:09:54.100 --> 01:09:55.900
really high clocks very shortly.

01:09:55.900 --> 01:09:59.400
So I I do wonder sometimes if that's something that people

01:09:59.400 --> 01:10:02.000
need to be excited about our trip should look into more than

01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:06.100
some of the the bench marked that we birthday party that we do

01:10:06.100 --> 01:10:06.600
use right now.

01:10:08.200 --> 01:10:12.400
Okay, well, we got 11 more deep when you get to to get to

01:10:12.400 --> 01:10:14.000
before we get out of here and then when fun ones,

01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:20.900
well, maybe we go see over on Discord pyrocumulus for the show

01:10:20.900 --> 01:10:24.700
says, they're looking at the utilization of their GPU and CPU

01:10:24.700 --> 01:10:27.400
in the HW info.

01:10:27.400 --> 01:10:29.300
While running the game that they play,

01:10:29.300 --> 01:10:32.800
which is DCs world, has to verify,

01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:34.700
they're limiting factor in performance.

01:10:34.700 --> 01:10:37.900
So they're watching HW info older playing this game.

01:10:37.900 --> 01:10:42.200
Max thread utilization for their CPU is bouncing around with

01:10:42.200 --> 01:10:47.000
seventy-two, 100% utilization, and about a quarter of the observations

01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:49.400
are lower than 90%.

01:10:50.100 --> 01:10:54.900
In the GPU, utilization is pegged at 99% in this case.

01:10:54.900 --> 01:10:58.100
Should I expect any Improvement in performance with a CPU upgrade?

01:10:58.100 --> 01:11:02.000
I did ask for the specifications of their,

01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:09.600
their Hardware. They said it's a 3900x 64 gigs of 2666,

01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:12.400
MHz ddr4, Gen4 drive.

01:11:12.400 --> 01:11:17.200
And a 6800 XT 1440p that nearly Max settings.

01:11:17.200 --> 01:11:19.200
Frame rates are about 50 to 80 range,

01:11:19.200 --> 01:11:20.800
depending on variables.

01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:28.100
How did you also say a DCS World appears to only utilize

01:11:28.100 --> 01:11:32.000
to threads at a time hopping between for Threads with two heavily

01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:33.200
optimized at any time?

01:11:33.200 --> 01:11:39.100
So they're either thinking of maybe jumping from a 3900x to a 50-100.

01:11:39.100 --> 01:11:41.300
X3d might help them

01:11:42.900 --> 01:11:45.400
Yeah, I just don't know if you really feel it though.

01:11:45.400 --> 01:11:49.200
So I you know I don't know where the GCS is one of those

01:11:49.200 --> 01:11:51.600
games that never ran great on, you know,

01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:53.300
Zen sent to an older.

01:11:53.300 --> 01:11:56.400
So I don't have an opinion on that side too.

01:11:56.400 --> 01:12:00.700
Clearly x3d generally is going to get will give you better

01:12:00.700 --> 01:12:04.600
performance whether it's really worth the 450.

01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:11.400
The $600 is probably unlikely where Isis taking that $450 selling

01:12:11.400 --> 01:12:16.100
your 1600xt and doing something else might probably get you more.

01:12:16.100 --> 01:12:16.500
I think.

01:12:17.500 --> 01:12:18.400
Do you think Brian?

01:12:18.400 --> 01:12:20.700
Yeah, I miss that question.

01:12:20.700 --> 01:12:23.100
It's raining here in my internet's going outside Disappear

01:12:23.100 --> 01:12:31.000
by y'all 930 100x.

01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:35.200
So you know 12-core Ridin but it's mostly pigging to course.

01:12:35.200 --> 01:12:40.800
I must be begging to Coors and then also 99% of 2 p u

01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:43.900
w 1440p for DCS.

01:12:43.900 --> 01:12:48.800
I'm in there getting framerate about 80 5280 and they want,

01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:49.800
they want it, boost it up.

01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:53.800
Yeah is the zpu the limiting factor in it.

01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:59.100
I'm sure you would actually see improvement from a 5800 x3d I just

01:12:59.100 --> 01:13:01.200
don't know if you could have really justify,

01:13:01.200 --> 01:13:02.200
it is my problem.

01:13:02.200 --> 01:13:07.200
So well if you already have a setup like that and you are talking

01:13:07.200 --> 01:13:13.000
about upgrading either 6800 XT or 3900x to get the most out of

01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:16.200
it. You clearly this is a big happy for you and you're looking

01:13:16.200 --> 01:13:17.400
to upgrade to make it even better.

01:13:17.400 --> 01:13:24.100
So it could very well that the next 3D help you out with the

01:13:24.100 --> 01:13:25.900
GPU being pregnant in a sentence.

01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:31.500
I'd be concerned that I'm not sure how much of a difference

01:13:31.500 --> 01:13:34.100
of greater than 5800 X 3D will bring,

01:13:34.100 --> 01:13:36.000
but that's very game-specific.

01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:38.400
And I don't know much about that game.

01:13:38.400 --> 01:13:40.400
I would think it would help smooth out the Lowe's,

01:13:40.400 --> 01:13:42.600
though. I mean, that's one of the great thing is 100%.

01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:46.100
So that if you, if you were just kind of bug buy some of

01:13:46.100 --> 01:13:47.500
those Lowe's, maybe with some of those pitches,

01:13:47.500 --> 01:13:49.200
he could help smooth that out.

01:13:49.200 --> 01:13:51.400
But I don't think you're going to go like,

01:13:51.400 --> 01:13:55.500
oh, 180 frames now cuz I upgraded to CPU do something other

01:13:55.500 --> 01:13:59.000
than is like most flight simulators which well I guess that's

01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:01.000
not a flight simulator, that's a shooting simulator,

01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:06.200
right? TCS flight, you know, it's like a lot of driving games.

01:14:06.200 --> 01:14:09.900
You're not, you're not really dependent on extremely high frame

01:14:09.900 --> 01:14:10.900
rates for a lot of things.

01:14:10.900 --> 01:14:14.000
Smoother is better, of course, but I just don't think you need

01:14:15.300 --> 01:14:17.600
Kind of like, you know, very consistent,

01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:21.300
400 frames a second for most license cuz you're not whipping

01:14:21.300 --> 01:14:22.800
your head around the way you are in a,

01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:26.700
in a shooter, in example, I guess.

01:14:28.300 --> 01:14:30.300
Flightsim, man in flights.

01:14:30.300 --> 01:14:35.800
And there was a boost with a x 3D part that screws that I

01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:36.500
think it was

01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:40.800
Let's see what they linked to Linus.

01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:41.800
I guess Lain, is she out?

01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:44.600
Get some testing on it that that showed a benefit their,

01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:47.100
you know, how, I don't know how that compares to this game.

01:14:47.100 --> 01:14:53.700
But yeah, I'm looking through is a DCS world.

01:14:53.700 --> 01:14:57.700
Is that the name of the separate it and the people there seem

01:14:57.700 --> 01:15:03.000
to think you should throw all your money at GPU and Emery still,

01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:05.400
apparently it's buried memory sensitive in GPU sensitive,

01:15:05.400 --> 01:15:08.900
okay? Which is interesting cuz they they they said they have

01:15:08.900 --> 01:15:15.600
20 2666, make it transferred per second ddr4 maybe upgrade

01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:17.500
or yeah, that's remember.

01:15:17.500 --> 01:15:21.700
Yeah. Or you know your timing's cuz you know lower latency

01:15:21.700 --> 01:15:25.100
is rising generally loves lower latency than 5:00.

01:15:25.100 --> 01:15:26.200
So that might be worth it.

01:15:26.200 --> 01:15:26.800
But yeah, that

01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:29.300
That's a little low for Rising. It

01:15:29.300 --> 01:15:33.300
feels like pussy 3000 where they didn't have those real initial

01:15:33.300 --> 01:15:38.300
issues. So I would think, yeah, there's gains to be made from

01:15:38.300 --> 01:15:40.700
you messing with memory, possibly going hard,

01:15:40.700 --> 01:15:43.100
cock memory, but it's the same boat,

01:15:43.100 --> 01:15:46.100
though. It is, it really going to improve it that much?

01:15:46.100 --> 01:15:50.700
Would you really pay $250 to, to get a slight Improvement

01:15:50.700 --> 01:15:52.300
in frame rates?

01:15:52.300 --> 01:15:53.900
That's hard to justify.

01:15:53.900 --> 01:15:57.800
I almost like rather do the rise in the extra deal for that

01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:01.800
cuz it is at the crazy thing about the ryzen as you don't let

01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:06.000
x3bar you don't know sometimes you like yeah it's you know 10%

01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:06.900
passing 215 entrance.

01:16:06.900 --> 01:16:09.400
I'm going to be 40% faster.

01:16:09.400 --> 01:16:11.700
You don't I don't know about that particular towels.

01:16:11.700 --> 01:16:16.800
Yeah, I should have asked for follow up but if you're thinking

01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:20.400
they're already buying into a 3900x, they need the chords

01:16:20.400 --> 01:16:21.500
for something. Right.

01:16:21.500 --> 01:16:23.400
Maybe so I don't know.

01:16:23.400 --> 01:16:26.800
I like I mean simply because

01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:31.400
They were just so used to all my God I you can't get more

01:16:31.400 --> 01:16:31.900
than four course.

01:16:31.900 --> 01:16:34.700
Only people went crazy when you get like I can get 12 course

01:16:34.700 --> 01:16:37.700
and I think a lot of people over with I'm one of those people

01:16:37.700 --> 01:16:40.900
you just like what the hell am I doing with an 18 course you

01:16:40.900 --> 01:16:43.900
feel like what I can tell you nothing.

01:16:43.900 --> 01:16:48.700
But you know, they like the whole idea is nothing like jazz

01:16:48.700 --> 01:16:49.200
by the whole idea.

01:16:49.200 --> 01:16:51.900
Can you could never have it before and then you you could get

01:16:51.900 --> 01:16:55.300
it. So I would say also, I bet he doesn't need the Orsini,

01:16:55.300 --> 01:16:59.800
the good point from suit in the to Jess's try lowering the resolution

01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:02.200
of 1080p if your FPS doesn't increase,

01:17:02.200 --> 01:17:03.700
is the CPU, that's a bottleneck.

01:17:03.700 --> 01:17:08.300
But I mean yeah yeah I'm sure it'll increase though,

01:17:08.300 --> 01:17:09.000
so yeah.

01:17:11.200 --> 01:17:15.300
Looking. I'm still looking through the BCS separate and apparently

01:17:15.300 --> 01:17:17.100
the game is known for being kind of janky,

01:17:17.100 --> 01:17:18.300
no matter what Hardware you have.

01:17:18.300 --> 01:17:27.400
There are games that have long run better on until I met.

01:17:27.400 --> 01:17:30.000
So something you could take about two of that means throwing

01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.300
everything away that would suck.

01:17:32.300 --> 01:17:33.700
But you know it is possible.

01:17:33.700 --> 01:17:36.400
I don't think you with what you're getting.

01:17:36.400 --> 01:17:37.700
So it's it's worth it.

01:17:37.700 --> 01:17:41.600
So there's just all in the I'm sure there's a lot of people

01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:45.000
there that are have advice on what to run that particular

01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:46.400
game better at but I don't see it.

01:17:46.400 --> 01:17:47.400
Sounds like you doing pretty good.

01:17:47.400 --> 01:17:49.200
Yeah. So

01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:53.800
But why me would you really replace a 1600xt now?

01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:55.900
I'm like I would I would wait.

01:17:55.900 --> 01:17:57.200
I would definitely all right way.

01:17:57.200 --> 01:17:59.000
That's the other sucky part is like

01:18:00.200 --> 01:18:02.400
you would think going to a 69,

01:18:02.400 --> 01:18:04.500
900xp would help, but

01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:14.000
Can you still make money on selling the older 1600xt?

01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:21.600
Yes, but not enough, probably to cover a third 6915.

01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:31.000
Last question comes in from the cobra with a K.

01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:33.800
So the thoughts on Elon Musk Twitter,

01:18:37.100 --> 01:18:40.900
Whatever, I'll still be on it, you know,

01:18:40.900 --> 01:18:41.900
I don't know.

01:18:41.900 --> 01:18:42.800
I'm just trying to take it.

01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:44.700
I mean, you know I'm trying to take it like,

01:18:44.700 --> 01:18:45.400
act like him.

01:18:45.400 --> 01:18:47.100
I would like other list of other things.

01:18:47.100 --> 01:18:51.600
Billy nearest, goodbye this morning and fix it cuz I mean clearly

01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:55.500
that's the best thing about being a billionaire was like I don't

01:18:55.500 --> 01:18:58.500
like the color of this button will what do I do I need to

01:18:58.500 --> 01:19:02.500
buy is like that would be fifty billion dollars alright we'll

01:19:02.500 --> 01:19:04.800
buy it and then make them change his butt and I don't like it

01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:08.100
on the you I okay I like this definitely things like

01:19:09.400 --> 01:19:11.100
I don't know if this happened or not,

01:19:11.100 --> 01:19:15.400
but it did a billionaire by McDonald's and make them sell the

01:19:15.400 --> 01:19:20.800
sausage McMuffin and egg all day or like maybe Jeff Bezos is driving

01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:24.800
through the drive-thru and it was like yeah I'd like to I would

01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:27.400
like a sausage McMuffin with egg is like the 1005.

01:19:27.400 --> 01:19:30.300
So it's like it's only 5 minutes you still got them right?

01:19:30.300 --> 01:19:31.700
Like you didn't throw them all the way.

01:19:31.700 --> 01:19:34.300
You must still have one somewhere on there.

01:19:35.300 --> 01:19:38.000
Sorry no it's a breakfast is over.

01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:41.300
It's you know Jeff Bezos probably went outside by McDonald's

01:19:41.300 --> 01:19:44.300
and then make them have the sausage McMuffin all day.

01:19:44.300 --> 01:19:47.900
So just make your list of all the things you want billionaires

01:19:47.900 --> 01:19:48.300
to fix it.

01:19:48.300 --> 01:19:50.600
Just kind of herbal what, what, what do you what do you want

01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:52.800
with? What's this is somebody in the chat?

01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:53.900
Don Draper, from the show.

01:19:53.900 --> 01:20:00.000
Don Draper says, they hope a millionaire bison fixes to USB standard-a.

01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:05.800
Yeah, you know, you could I think the thing to do is is you,

01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:10.000
would you? So you would fix broken things on the PC that are

01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:13.400
cast in the only way you could do that is because you have to

01:20:13.400 --> 01:20:16.100
make it like a business and we'll be like was no way we could

01:20:16.100 --> 01:20:20.800
ever make everybody have DVR five or week we can drop this because

01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:23.000
you know there's too many people that just can't do it.

01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:26.100
Well what if I subsidized people who buy?

01:20:26.100 --> 01:20:28.600
So like we could help move the,

01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:31.200
bottom end of the PC market up a few notches.

01:20:32.300 --> 01:20:34.600
And then everybody like you can throw things away.

01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:37.300
Like I don't want to throw you a speedy away because there's

01:20:37.300 --> 01:20:41.100
just so many things that have USB a but maybe if I got like

01:20:41.100 --> 01:20:46.100
some kind of subsidy so that I could replace all of my USB equipment

01:20:46.100 --> 01:20:49.200
with USBC, we could throw away, or are you at the age?

01:20:49.200 --> 01:20:52.300
We can we can throw away or analog headset Jacks because

01:20:52.300 --> 01:20:57.200
you know I get money from other alone or Jeff Bezos.

01:20:57.200 --> 01:20:59.700
So I don't know, maybe Bill, Gates can put some money into that

01:20:59.700 --> 01:21:02.500
and then we fix it at work.

01:21:02.500 --> 01:21:06.900
You know why?

01:21:06.900 --> 01:21:08.000
I'm so sad about that.

01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:09.800
So many DVR modelers.

01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:12.400
It just kills me Bikram DVI back.

01:21:12.400 --> 01:21:16.900
I think what they would do, if they would pay to replace

01:21:16.900 --> 01:21:21.600
all my DVI monitors with dead or fixing.

01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:24.600
It was fixing it in your sugar daddy,

01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:30.900
unlimited wealth, and you just like everything that bothers

01:21:30.900 --> 01:21:32.100
you that they can fix.

01:21:32.300 --> 01:21:35.700
We just seem to have a go fund me or maybe just a pole

01:21:35.700 --> 01:21:37.000
thing and changed and change.

01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:41.400
Org. Like, what else, what the hell out of people to Eternal

01:21:41.400 --> 01:21:44.700
do Oasis? How about the the windows to the Microsoft store

01:21:44.700 --> 01:21:45.900
on on Windows?

01:21:45.900 --> 01:21:57.300
I'm going to work for you on musk as a,

01:21:57.300 --> 01:22:08.800
as a financial advisor, like, Gordon got money. I

01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:09.400
got so much money.

01:22:09.400 --> 01:22:11.300
I can't burn it fast enough.

01:22:11.300 --> 01:22:13.300
What can I fix this?

01:22:13.300 --> 01:22:16.100
It's just pisses people off in like I would say,

01:22:16.100 --> 01:22:21.600
well for the PC we everybody's got a course.

01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:22.800
They got 12 cores.

01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:25.200
I got 16 course, but these Libertyville.

01:22:32.300 --> 01:22:35.900
Everybody still Rollin Like You know dual-core or quad-core

01:22:35.900 --> 01:22:40.200
and most of the world is running you know a quad-core and dual-core

01:22:40.200 --> 01:22:43.800
with integrated Graphics week we can bring the bottom up.

01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:47.600
So I would then have you on spend all the money to pay all

01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:53.900
developers to optimize all the code for a course and up and also

01:22:53.900 --> 01:23:11.600
about buy GPS for everybody does, i g p DJ 9:15.

01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:15.200
So, how about Peppa Pig game deaths to make games for the Mac?

01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:24.800
No cuz I'm busy kids.

01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:27.200
Like to really you couldn't there's just like let's just face

01:23:27.200 --> 01:23:30.300
it. There's like you want to talk about it.

01:23:30.300 --> 01:23:31.700
Does he have enough to buy Apple?

01:23:31.700 --> 01:23:35.400
I mean that there would be trillions of dollars but like I could

01:23:35.400 --> 01:23:38.100
see somebody like, you know what, we're just going to go to USBC.

01:23:38.100 --> 01:23:40.400
Like the lighting it or did you know?

01:23:40.400 --> 01:23:41.500
Lightning is only USB.

01:23:41.500 --> 01:23:42.700
It's USB 2.

01:23:42.700 --> 01:23:45.300
Really? Yeah. I was like that bad.

01:23:45.300 --> 01:23:49.200
A classy like the lightning connector in some ways.

01:23:49.200 --> 01:23:52.100
I got a lightning connector for my kids for Chargers but

01:23:53.200 --> 01:23:55.600
I can't believe it's USB 2, that's just ridiculous.

01:23:56.700 --> 01:23:59.200
Man only reason is sometimes you do have to back up.

01:23:59.200 --> 01:24:03.500
If you're backing up 128, 250 is a 1-terabyte iPhone using

01:24:03.500 --> 01:24:04.800
USB 2.0 connection.

01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:06.600
That's like oh my God.

01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:15.200
So I searched for how much is Elon Musk worth says 290 billion

01:24:15.200 --> 01:24:25.500
gas and that's like apple is 20 trillion enough for controlling

01:24:25.500 --> 01:24:27.900
interest. Could you imagine in the board meeting?

01:24:27.900 --> 01:24:28.800
Elon Musk could be in there?

01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:30.700
Like, yeah, so we want to talk about entertaining.

01:24:30.700 --> 01:24:32.800
This, we're going to have this deal with you.

01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:36.800
No McDonald's or some other like I would like to bring up lightning

01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:45.700
connector, what? That's not working, and we just do that like

01:24:45.700 --> 01:24:48.000
that's that's like Tim Cooks job or something,

01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:49.100
no, no make it.

01:24:49.100 --> 01:24:50.000
So, make him do that.

01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:54.900
It's it's Clash Cash for Clunkers.

01:24:54.900 --> 01:24:56.500
But for old PC,

01:24:57.100 --> 01:24:59.300
I like that Cash for Clunkers.

01:24:59.300 --> 01:25:01.700
I need 44 for the show.

01:25:01.700 --> 01:25:03.500
Me 44. Game is 45 Danish Krone.

01:25:03.500 --> 01:25:06.900
Thanks so much to do the max HP on the back.

01:25:06.900 --> 01:25:09.000
Only for your USB 2.

01:25:10.200 --> 01:25:11.700
Sing a song that I like it.

01:25:11.700 --> 01:25:14.700
All right, let's go see.

01:25:14.700 --> 01:25:18.900
You know, I guess there's nothing else out there.

01:25:18.900 --> 01:25:22.600
And in the chat of people want Elon Musk to to fix some chicken.

01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:23.500
I don't want to fix anything.

01:25:23.500 --> 01:25:27.200
He needs to go, fix himself, rich people.

01:25:27.200 --> 01:25:30.800
Like the first people are born a difference between know what

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would you want to buy and fix and then you would be going off?

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What the whole point of it is just like super rich people,

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I feel bad for them, they got so much money.

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Like I do what I do it to Super Yachts,

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I got nothing in here together with the just do it anyway.

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Making optimizing games for all buying history graph is everybody

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Cash for Clunkers 4pcs.

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Putting the USBC on the iPhone.

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I mean, that's what we shall.

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I bring back

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Okay. Alright, well that's one that's been our show.

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That's that's he has a bridge between and that he calls the nvlink

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exactly like it.

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I like it.

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I like it.

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That's it for today.

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I'm done. I'm hungry in the folder tour.

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please leave review.

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Every time you do a multi multi-billionaire,

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decides to fix something in the PC Echo System,

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just because they're so great to the world.com.

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Thanks for coming.

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I'm going on with Wright Rockets.

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Had a rant at the Tuesday.

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Yo, and Anna, Patrick, where he's going to hit,

01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:14.800
y'all switch Black Betty by Ram Jam.

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Ram is a rama lama, ding dong anyway.

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Thank you to everybody.

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Mike wrong button that one